Anonymous wrote:G2016 was speaking with another parent this weekend about the BY the SY change. He said its weird. I asked why he thinks its weird. He said my kid is an August birthday. I said wouldn't that make your kid the oldest on a SY team? My kid is a july birthday shes screwed. He said its weird that my daughter would be playing on a team with players that are a year behind her in school. I said if you think that it's weird just tell your club that you're not paying unless shes on a team with players her grade.
Interesting exchange you could tell he instinctively knew that playing down was an issue. But he couldnt figure out why. His oldest is being recruited for swimming right so Im sure he'll put the pieces together reguarding his youngest and playing on the correct grade team.
In summary, you finally met someone with an child with an August birthday but couldn't convince them that they should kick and scream to have their kid to play up because they are special, not based on skill but because they are special. And this person didn't buy it. That would check out
I'm the person that wrote this.
I was just trying to listen to see what they were thinking. I thought it was interesting to hear their perspective. I specifically thought it was interesting that they thought it was weird for their kid to play down on a team with younger grade in school players.
You seem to have issues.
Not believable. They didn't have a problem with their daughter playing on age, just thought it was a little odd, and then you told them to go to the club and demand that they allow the girl to play up an age group. That isn't just listening.
Maybe, but the word they used was "weird" not "a little odd" and I know this guy he's 100% into his older kid getting recruited to swim in college. He said weird because playing down a grade goes against everything he's researched for his older kid. I did tell him to tell the club if he wants his kid to play with their grade. He pays the bills. You dont have to be in a weird situation just because some coach wants a big kid on their g2016 team.
The travel club doesn't care about a kids grade
Only their age and skills
That is where you're wrong.
Parents foot the bill so its up to them to protect their Aug birthday kids from being exploited by clubs/coaches playing down for short term wins vs playing with their grade for long term development and college recruiting.
If I'm a coach, no parent can tell me to take their kid to play up on my team if they lack the quality just because of school grade
Yeah, some parents may get their moronic request to play up. Then the coach doesn't play the kid so the kid quits.
Only the dumb parents ask for their kid to play up if they aren't ready and it has nothing to do with grades.
Hahaha nobody ever since the beginning of time has ever had an issue with players asking to play with players their grade.
Nice try though.
Coaches and teams absolutely hold it against kids when parents ask for special treatment.
So special treatment is asking to play with kids in your grade?
You are insane.
No serious coach or club will entertain a request for a player to play up if that player doesn't have the quality to do so.
None
Every club will let a player play with kids their grade if they're an August birthday and a grade older.
No club is going to force a player to participate in a way that is against what they want to do.
Again, nice try though.
This is where rubber meets road. Kids will just quit if you force them into a situation they don't want. It's not worth the time OR money, especially if it means joining a new team after playing with the same people for years.
What is unfortunate is this transition is going to put people into situations that won't give them good choices. Older players who want to play up to stay on grade may have to see less playing time or drop to a lower team VS. joining a team with a bunch of people they really don't know/perhaps less experienced/skilled who might resent the playing time THEY take as a stronger player. I mean, maybe some good life lessons here BUT this is why, IMO, they should have phased in the switch with younger teams first and left the HS ages alone.
People talk like this is Kindergarten social groups play-dates
Tell your kid this is how the real world works and what they will face as adults
The cutoff has changed to 8/1 and this is your new age group.
Go to training and put in the work or be a quitter
Yep, and clubs will have to face the adult reality of fewer customers if they manage things poorly.
Your sense of entitlement has removed all objective logical reality from your mind
Imagine seriously thinking your kid should be on a MLS Next team because of their birth month and demand this of a club
What's out-of-whack is thinking every soccer parent thinks their kid is going to be a college star. Some parents just want a club they've played at for most of their lives to treat them fairly. Nothing more and if they don't, they'll struggle with their bottom line, because those kids and families will move on as they should.
Clubs have been making decisions forever that pains many entitled parents who think little Chad and Lizzy should get whatever they want because they pay the fees
The clubs are still thriving even after you left
By fairly, you mean in your favor to your liking
Clubs thriving? In the time I've watched this space, I've seen plenty of clubs go out of business or have to merge with others. I guess you missed all that. Ignore market forces at your peril.
You're claiming normal market behavior as a feather in your argument cap?
Nothing you say will make your kid playing up a reality if they're not good enough to do so. Which they're obviously not or you wouldn't be politicking for same grade teams
If Aug birthdays aren't good enough for the correct grade A team welcome to the correct grade B team. Pretty simple
Except you would have to find a team willing to break their own rules to let a non star to play up if it exists. Or find a team to play on age
That makes no sense. The B team is players not good enough for the A team.
We'll be soon seeing a TON of B team players from Aug-Dec born join A teams. Bank on it!
Their B team skills gonna improve overnight?
Not the poster you are replying to, but yes they will improve RELATIVELY overnight when matched against the different age cohort. If you can't see this, I don't know what to tell you (yes the magnitude of course it depends on the specific age group)
Amen. True dat, elitists can't see the obvious.
So conversely Aug birthday players playing down will automatically get worse when playing with grade down cohorts.
Your confusing age with grades again. Grades aren't a thing in club soccer.
Last time I checked ECNL posts players graduation year on their profiles. I wonder why they would do that? Its almost like grade in scholl matters for something. What could it be?
It's so college coaches know when to expect them on campus.
So grade in school does matter and its because college recruiters use it to assess players.
Wouldn't want to be the one player playing down on a team with kids a grade below them. Easy way for recruiters to instant reject players.
Yes, because the recruiter sees the high quality of their current play, sees their strong potential for future play but decides not to recruit because of school grade
Here's the thing that's happening. These players wouldn't even be before the recruiter if they stay on grade on a B team, because the A team is just that good. And yet they have a chance with the A team on age OR it's a position issue. Sure, some coaches may not consider out of hand I guess, but on a lot of clubs the B teams don't get that kind of exposure period -- on the A teams. The A teams are the ones on the platform, get the travel to the big events. It's at least a foot in the door.
Another reason to group by grade as early as possible so correct grade B team players can move up to the correct grade A team when young.
Higher probability to play in college from playing on age than trying to play up when not ready and forced to merely because you went to school early. Highest probability to not play in college at all but will play longer if playing on age than playing up if not ready.
And this is why college coaches wont want aug birthdays playing down trojan horses.
Anonymous wrote:G2016 was speaking with another parent this weekend about the BY the SY change. He said its weird. I asked why he thinks its weird. He said my kid is an August birthday. I said wouldn't that make your kid the oldest on a SY team? My kid is a july birthday shes screwed. He said its weird that my daughter would be playing on a team with players that are a year behind her in school. I said if you think that it's weird just tell your club that you're not paying unless shes on a team with players her grade.
Interesting exchange you could tell he instinctively knew that playing down was an issue. But he couldnt figure out why. His oldest is being recruited for swimming right so Im sure he'll put the pieces together reguarding his youngest and playing on the correct grade team.
In summary, you finally met someone with an child with an August birthday but couldn't convince them that they should kick and scream to have their kid to play up because they are special, not based on skill but because they are special. And this person didn't buy it. That would check out
I'm the person that wrote this.
I was just trying to listen to see what they were thinking. I thought it was interesting to hear their perspective. I specifically thought it was interesting that they thought it was weird for their kid to play down on a team with younger grade in school players.
You seem to have issues.
Not believable. They didn't have a problem with their daughter playing on age, just thought it was a little odd, and then you told them to go to the club and demand that they allow the girl to play up an age group. That isn't just listening.
Maybe, but the word they used was "weird" not "a little odd" and I know this guy he's 100% into his older kid getting recruited to swim in college. He said weird because playing down a grade goes against everything he's researched for his older kid. I did tell him to tell the club if he wants his kid to play with their grade. He pays the bills. You dont have to be in a weird situation just because some coach wants a big kid on their g2016 team.
The travel club doesn't care about a kids grade
Only their age and skills
That is where you're wrong.
Parents foot the bill so its up to them to protect their Aug birthday kids from being exploited by clubs/coaches playing down for short term wins vs playing with their grade for long term development and college recruiting.
If I'm a coach, no parent can tell me to take their kid to play up on my team if they lack the quality just because of school grade
Yeah, some parents may get their moronic request to play up. Then the coach doesn't play the kid so the kid quits.
Only the dumb parents ask for their kid to play up if they aren't ready and it has nothing to do with grades.
Hahaha nobody ever since the beginning of time has ever had an issue with players asking to play with players their grade.
Nice try though.
Coaches and teams absolutely hold it against kids when parents ask for special treatment.
So special treatment is asking to play with kids in your grade?
You are insane.
No serious coach or club will entertain a request for a player to play up if that player doesn't have the quality to do so.
None
Every club will let a player play with kids their grade if they're an August birthday and a grade older.
No club is going to force a player to participate in a way that is against what they want to do.
Again, nice try though.
This is where rubber meets road. Kids will just quit if you force them into a situation they don't want. It's not worth the time OR money, especially if it means joining a new team after playing with the same people for years.
What is unfortunate is this transition is going to put people into situations that won't give them good choices. Older players who want to play up to stay on grade may have to see less playing time or drop to a lower team VS. joining a team with a bunch of people they really don't know/perhaps less experienced/skilled who might resent the playing time THEY take as a stronger player. I mean, maybe some good life lessons here BUT this is why, IMO, they should have phased in the switch with younger teams first and left the HS ages alone.
People talk like this is Kindergarten social groups play-dates
Tell your kid this is how the real world works and what they will face as adults
The cutoff has changed to 8/1 and this is your new age group.
Go to training and put in the work or be a quitter
Yep, and clubs will have to face the adult reality of fewer customers if they manage things poorly.
Your sense of entitlement has removed all objective logical reality from your mind
Imagine seriously thinking your kid should be on a MLS Next team because of their birth month and demand this of a club
What's out-of-whack is thinking every soccer parent thinks their kid is going to be a college star. Some parents just want a club they've played at for most of their lives to treat them fairly. Nothing more and if they don't, they'll struggle with their bottom line, because those kids and families will move on as they should.
Clubs have been making decisions forever that pains many entitled parents who think little Chad and Lizzy should get whatever they want because they pay the fees
The clubs are still thriving even after you left
By fairly, you mean in your favor to your liking
Clubs thriving? In the time I've watched this space, I've seen plenty of clubs go out of business or have to merge with others. I guess you missed all that. Ignore market forces at your peril.
You're claiming normal market behavior as a feather in your argument cap?
Nothing you say will make your kid playing up a reality if they're not good enough to do so. Which they're obviously not or you wouldn't be politicking for same grade teams
If Aug birthdays aren't good enough for the correct grade A team welcome to the correct grade B team. Pretty simple
Except you would have to find a team willing to break their own rules to let a non star to play up if it exists. Or find a team to play on age
That makes no sense. The B team is players not good enough for the A team.
We'll be soon seeing a TON of B team players from Aug-Dec born join A teams. Bank on it!
Their B team skills gonna improve overnight?
Not the poster you are replying to, but yes they will improve RELATIVELY overnight when matched against the different age cohort. If you can't see this, I don't know what to tell you (yes the magnitude of course it depends on the specific age group)
Amen. True dat, elitists can't see the obvious.
So conversely Aug birthday players playing down will automatically get worse when playing with grade down cohorts.
Your confusing age with grades again. Grades aren't a thing in club soccer.
Last time I checked ECNL posts players graduation year on their profiles. I wonder why they would do that? Its almost like grade in scholl matters for something. What could it be?
It's so college coaches know when to expect them on campus.
So grade in school does matter and its because college recruiters use it to assess players.
Wouldn't want to be the one player playing down on a team with kids a grade below them. Easy way for recruiters to instant reject players.
Yes, because the recruiter sees the high quality of their current play, sees their strong potential for future play but decides not to recruit because of school grade
Here's the thing that's happening. These players wouldn't even be before the recruiter if they stay on grade on a B team, because the A team is just that good. And yet they have a chance with the A team on age OR it's a position issue. Sure, some coaches may not consider out of hand I guess, but on a lot of clubs the B teams don't get that kind of exposure period -- on the A teams. The A teams are the ones on the platform, get the travel to the big events. It's at least a foot in the door.
Another reason to group by grade as early as possible so correct grade B team players can move up to the correct grade A team when young.
Higher probability to play in college from playing on age than trying to play up when not ready and forced to merely because you went to school early. Highest probability to not play in college at all but will play longer if playing on age than playing up if not ready.
And this is why college coaches wont want aug birthdays playing down trojan horses.
Anonymous wrote:G2016 was speaking with another parent this weekend about the BY the SY change. He said its weird. I asked why he thinks its weird. He said my kid is an August birthday. I said wouldn't that make your kid the oldest on a SY team? My kid is a july birthday shes screwed. He said its weird that my daughter would be playing on a team with players that are a year behind her in school. I said if you think that it's weird just tell your club that you're not paying unless shes on a team with players her grade.
Interesting exchange you could tell he instinctively knew that playing down was an issue. But he couldnt figure out why. His oldest is being recruited for swimming right so Im sure he'll put the pieces together reguarding his youngest and playing on the correct grade team.
In summary, you finally met someone with an child with an August birthday but couldn't convince them that they should kick and scream to have their kid to play up because they are special, not based on skill but because they are special. And this person didn't buy it. That would check out
I'm the person that wrote this.
I was just trying to listen to see what they were thinking. I thought it was interesting to hear their perspective. I specifically thought it was interesting that they thought it was weird for their kid to play down on a team with younger grade in school players.
You seem to have issues.
Not believable. They didn't have a problem with their daughter playing on age, just thought it was a little odd, and then you told them to go to the club and demand that they allow the girl to play up an age group. That isn't just listening.
Maybe, but the word they used was "weird" not "a little odd" and I know this guy he's 100% into his older kid getting recruited to swim in college. He said weird because playing down a grade goes against everything he's researched for his older kid. I did tell him to tell the club if he wants his kid to play with their grade. He pays the bills. You dont have to be in a weird situation just because some coach wants a big kid on their g2016 team.
The travel club doesn't care about a kids grade
Only their age and skills
That is where you're wrong.
Parents foot the bill so its up to them to protect their Aug birthday kids from being exploited by clubs/coaches playing down for short term wins vs playing with their grade for long term development and college recruiting.
If I'm a coach, no parent can tell me to take their kid to play up on my team if they lack the quality just because of school grade
Yeah, some parents may get their moronic request to play up. Then the coach doesn't play the kid so the kid quits.
Only the dumb parents ask for their kid to play up if they aren't ready and it has nothing to do with grades.
Hahaha nobody ever since the beginning of time has ever had an issue with players asking to play with players their grade.
Nice try though.
Coaches and teams absolutely hold it against kids when parents ask for special treatment.
So special treatment is asking to play with kids in your grade?
You are insane.
No serious coach or club will entertain a request for a player to play up if that player doesn't have the quality to do so.
None
Every club will let a player play with kids their grade if they're an August birthday and a grade older.
No club is going to force a player to participate in a way that is against what they want to do.
Again, nice try though.
This is where rubber meets road. Kids will just quit if you force them into a situation they don't want. It's not worth the time OR money, especially if it means joining a new team after playing with the same people for years.
What is unfortunate is this transition is going to put people into situations that won't give them good choices. Older players who want to play up to stay on grade may have to see less playing time or drop to a lower team VS. joining a team with a bunch of people they really don't know/perhaps less experienced/skilled who might resent the playing time THEY take as a stronger player. I mean, maybe some good life lessons here BUT this is why, IMO, they should have phased in the switch with younger teams first and left the HS ages alone.
People talk like this is Kindergarten social groups play-dates
Tell your kid this is how the real world works and what they will face as adults
The cutoff has changed to 8/1 and this is your new age group.
Go to training and put in the work or be a quitter
Yep, and clubs will have to face the adult reality of fewer customers if they manage things poorly.
Your sense of entitlement has removed all objective logical reality from your mind
Imagine seriously thinking your kid should be on a MLS Next team because of their birth month and demand this of a club
What's out-of-whack is thinking every soccer parent thinks their kid is going to be a college star. Some parents just want a club they've played at for most of their lives to treat them fairly. Nothing more and if they don't, they'll struggle with their bottom line, because those kids and families will move on as they should.
Clubs have been making decisions forever that pains many entitled parents who think little Chad and Lizzy should get whatever they want because they pay the fees
The clubs are still thriving even after you left
By fairly, you mean in your favor to your liking
Clubs thriving? In the time I've watched this space, I've seen plenty of clubs go out of business or have to merge with others. I guess you missed all that. Ignore market forces at your peril.
You're claiming normal market behavior as a feather in your argument cap?
Nothing you say will make your kid playing up a reality if they're not good enough to do so. Which they're obviously not or you wouldn't be politicking for same grade teams
If Aug birthdays aren't good enough for the correct grade A team welcome to the correct grade B team. Pretty simple
Except you would have to find a team willing to break their own rules to let a non star to play up if it exists. Or find a team to play on age
That makes no sense. The B team is players not good enough for the A team.
We'll be soon seeing a TON of B team players from Aug-Dec born join A teams. Bank on it!
Their B team skills gonna improve overnight?
Not the poster you are replying to, but yes they will improve RELATIVELY overnight when matched against the different age cohort. If you can't see this, I don't know what to tell you (yes the magnitude of course it depends on the specific age group)
Amen. True dat, elitists can't see the obvious.
So conversely Aug birthday players playing down will automatically get worse when playing with grade down cohorts.
Your confusing age with grades again. Grades aren't a thing in club soccer.
Last time I checked ECNL posts players graduation year on their profiles. I wonder why they would do that? Its almost like grade in scholl matters for something. What could it be?
It's so college coaches know when to expect them on campus.
So grade in school does matter and its because college recruiters use it to assess players.
Wouldn't want to be the one player playing down on a team with kids a grade below them. Easy way for recruiters to instant reject players.
Yes, because the recruiter sees the high quality of their current play, sees their strong potential for future play but decides not to recruit because of school grade
Here's the thing that's happening. These players wouldn't even be before the recruiter if they stay on grade on a B team, because the A team is just that good. And yet they have a chance with the A team on age OR it's a position issue. Sure, some coaches may not consider out of hand I guess, but on a lot of clubs the B teams don't get that kind of exposure period -- on the A teams. The A teams are the ones on the platform, get the travel to the big events. It's at least a foot in the door.
Another reason to group by grade as early as possible so correct grade B team players can move up to the correct grade A team when young.
Higher probability to play in college from playing on age than trying to play up when not ready and forced to merely because you went to school early. Highest probability to not play in college at all but will play longer if playing on age than playing up if not ready.
And this is why college coaches wont want aug birthdays playing down trojan horses.
Seriously, if you cant play with your grade how can you play against players 4 or more years older in college?
Anonymous wrote:G2016 was speaking with another parent this weekend about the BY the SY change. He said its weird. I asked why he thinks its weird. He said my kid is an August birthday. I said wouldn't that make your kid the oldest on a SY team? My kid is a july birthday shes screwed. He said its weird that my daughter would be playing on a team with players that are a year behind her in school. I said if you think that it's weird just tell your club that you're not paying unless shes on a team with players her grade.
Interesting exchange you could tell he instinctively knew that playing down was an issue. But he couldnt figure out why. His oldest is being recruited for swimming right so Im sure he'll put the pieces together reguarding his youngest and playing on the correct grade team.
In summary, you finally met someone with an child with an August birthday but couldn't convince them that they should kick and scream to have their kid to play up because they are special, not based on skill but because they are special. And this person didn't buy it. That would check out
I'm the person that wrote this.
I was just trying to listen to see what they were thinking. I thought it was interesting to hear their perspective. I specifically thought it was interesting that they thought it was weird for their kid to play down on a team with younger grade in school players.
You seem to have issues.
Not believable. They didn't have a problem with their daughter playing on age, just thought it was a little odd, and then you told them to go to the club and demand that they allow the girl to play up an age group. That isn't just listening.
Maybe, but the word they used was "weird" not "a little odd" and I know this guy he's 100% into his older kid getting recruited to swim in college. He said weird because playing down a grade goes against everything he's researched for his older kid. I did tell him to tell the club if he wants his kid to play with their grade. He pays the bills. You dont have to be in a weird situation just because some coach wants a big kid on their g2016 team.
The travel club doesn't care about a kids grade
Only their age and skills
That is where you're wrong.
Parents foot the bill so its up to them to protect their Aug birthday kids from being exploited by clubs/coaches playing down for short term wins vs playing with their grade for long term development and college recruiting.
If I'm a coach, no parent can tell me to take their kid to play up on my team if they lack the quality just because of school grade
Yeah, some parents may get their moronic request to play up. Then the coach doesn't play the kid so the kid quits.
Only the dumb parents ask for their kid to play up if they aren't ready and it has nothing to do with grades.
Hahaha nobody ever since the beginning of time has ever had an issue with players asking to play with players their grade.
Nice try though.
Coaches and teams absolutely hold it against kids when parents ask for special treatment.
So special treatment is asking to play with kids in your grade?
You are insane.
No serious coach or club will entertain a request for a player to play up if that player doesn't have the quality to do so.
None
Every club will let a player play with kids their grade if they're an August birthday and a grade older.
No club is going to force a player to participate in a way that is against what they want to do.
Again, nice try though.
This is where rubber meets road. Kids will just quit if you force them into a situation they don't want. It's not worth the time OR money, especially if it means joining a new team after playing with the same people for years.
What is unfortunate is this transition is going to put people into situations that won't give them good choices. Older players who want to play up to stay on grade may have to see less playing time or drop to a lower team VS. joining a team with a bunch of people they really don't know/perhaps less experienced/skilled who might resent the playing time THEY take as a stronger player. I mean, maybe some good life lessons here BUT this is why, IMO, they should have phased in the switch with younger teams first and left the HS ages alone.
People talk like this is Kindergarten social groups play-dates
Tell your kid this is how the real world works and what they will face as adults
The cutoff has changed to 8/1 and this is your new age group.
Go to training and put in the work or be a quitter
Yep, and clubs will have to face the adult reality of fewer customers if they manage things poorly.
Your sense of entitlement has removed all objective logical reality from your mind
Imagine seriously thinking your kid should be on a MLS Next team because of their birth month and demand this of a club
What's out-of-whack is thinking every soccer parent thinks their kid is going to be a college star. Some parents just want a club they've played at for most of their lives to treat them fairly. Nothing more and if they don't, they'll struggle with their bottom line, because those kids and families will move on as they should.
Clubs have been making decisions forever that pains many entitled parents who think little Chad and Lizzy should get whatever they want because they pay the fees
The clubs are still thriving even after you left
By fairly, you mean in your favor to your liking
Clubs thriving? In the time I've watched this space, I've seen plenty of clubs go out of business or have to merge with others. I guess you missed all that. Ignore market forces at your peril.
You're claiming normal market behavior as a feather in your argument cap?
Nothing you say will make your kid playing up a reality if they're not good enough to do so. Which they're obviously not or you wouldn't be politicking for same grade teams
If Aug birthdays aren't good enough for the correct grade A team welcome to the correct grade B team. Pretty simple
Except you would have to find a team willing to break their own rules to let a non star to play up if it exists. Or find a team to play on age
That makes no sense. The B team is players not good enough for the A team.
We'll be soon seeing a TON of B team players from Aug-Dec born join A teams. Bank on it!
Their B team skills gonna improve overnight?
Not the poster you are replying to, but yes they will improve RELATIVELY overnight when matched against the different age cohort. If you can't see this, I don't know what to tell you (yes the magnitude of course it depends on the specific age group)
Amen. True dat, elitists can't see the obvious.
So conversely Aug birthday players playing down will automatically get worse when playing with grade down cohorts.
Your confusing age with grades again. Grades aren't a thing in club soccer.
Last time I checked ECNL posts players graduation year on their profiles. I wonder why they would do that? Its almost like grade in scholl matters for something. What could it be?
It's so college coaches know when to expect them on campus.
So grade in school does matter and its because college recruiters use it to assess players.
Wouldn't want to be the one player playing down on a team with kids a grade below them. Easy way for recruiters to instant reject players.
Yes, because the recruiter sees the high quality of their current play, sees their strong potential for future play but decides not to recruit because of school grade
Here's the thing that's happening. These players wouldn't even be before the recruiter if they stay on grade on a B team, because the A team is just that good. And yet they have a chance with the A team on age OR it's a position issue. Sure, some coaches may not consider out of hand I guess, but on a lot of clubs the B teams don't get that kind of exposure period -- on the A teams. The A teams are the ones on the platform, get the travel to the big events. It's at least a foot in the door.
Another reason to group by grade as early as possible so correct grade B team players can move up to the correct grade A team when young.
Higher probability to play in college from playing on age than trying to play up when not ready and forced to merely because you went to school early. Highest probability to not play in college at all but will play longer if playing on age than playing up if not ready.
And this is why college coaches wont want aug birthdays playing down trojan horses.
Seriously, if you cant play with your grade how can you play against players 4 or more years older in college?
Easily. Playing on age is travel soccer rules and playing on grade is college soccer rules. Just play by the rules in both instances. Note that this is what Sept-Dec kids do now and what internals do.
Anonymous wrote:G2016 was speaking with another parent this weekend about the BY the SY change. He said its weird. I asked why he thinks its weird. He said my kid is an August birthday. I said wouldn't that make your kid the oldest on a SY team? My kid is a july birthday shes screwed. He said its weird that my daughter would be playing on a team with players that are a year behind her in school. I said if you think that it's weird just tell your club that you're not paying unless shes on a team with players her grade.
Interesting exchange you could tell he instinctively knew that playing down was an issue. But he couldnt figure out why. His oldest is being recruited for swimming right so Im sure he'll put the pieces together reguarding his youngest and playing on the correct grade team.
In summary, you finally met someone with an child with an August birthday but couldn't convince them that they should kick and scream to have their kid to play up because they are special, not based on skill but because they are special. And this person didn't buy it. That would check out
I'm the person that wrote this.
I was just trying to listen to see what they were thinking. I thought it was interesting to hear their perspective. I specifically thought it was interesting that they thought it was weird for their kid to play down on a team with younger grade in school players.
You seem to have issues.
Not believable. They didn't have a problem with their daughter playing on age, just thought it was a little odd, and then you told them to go to the club and demand that they allow the girl to play up an age group. That isn't just listening.
Maybe, but the word they used was "weird" not "a little odd" and I know this guy he's 100% into his older kid getting recruited to swim in college. He said weird because playing down a grade goes against everything he's researched for his older kid. I did tell him to tell the club if he wants his kid to play with their grade. He pays the bills. You dont have to be in a weird situation just because some coach wants a big kid on their g2016 team.
The travel club doesn't care about a kids grade
Only their age and skills
That is where you're wrong.
Parents foot the bill so its up to them to protect their Aug birthday kids from being exploited by clubs/coaches playing down for short term wins vs playing with their grade for long term development and college recruiting.
If I'm a coach, no parent can tell me to take their kid to play up on my team if they lack the quality just because of school grade
Yeah, some parents may get their moronic request to play up. Then the coach doesn't play the kid so the kid quits.
Only the dumb parents ask for their kid to play up if they aren't ready and it has nothing to do with grades.
Hahaha nobody ever since the beginning of time has ever had an issue with players asking to play with players their grade.
Nice try though.
Coaches and teams absolutely hold it against kids when parents ask for special treatment.
So special treatment is asking to play with kids in your grade?
You are insane.
No serious coach or club will entertain a request for a player to play up if that player doesn't have the quality to do so.
None
Every club will let a player play with kids their grade if they're an August birthday and a grade older.
No club is going to force a player to participate in a way that is against what they want to do.
Again, nice try though.
This is where rubber meets road. Kids will just quit if you force them into a situation they don't want. It's not worth the time OR money, especially if it means joining a new team after playing with the same people for years.
What is unfortunate is this transition is going to put people into situations that won't give them good choices. Older players who want to play up to stay on grade may have to see less playing time or drop to a lower team VS. joining a team with a bunch of people they really don't know/perhaps less experienced/skilled who might resent the playing time THEY take as a stronger player. I mean, maybe some good life lessons here BUT this is why, IMO, they should have phased in the switch with younger teams first and left the HS ages alone.
People talk like this is Kindergarten social groups play-dates
Tell your kid this is how the real world works and what they will face as adults
The cutoff has changed to 8/1 and this is your new age group.
Go to training and put in the work or be a quitter
Yep, and clubs will have to face the adult reality of fewer customers if they manage things poorly.
Your sense of entitlement has removed all objective logical reality from your mind
Imagine seriously thinking your kid should be on a MLS Next team because of their birth month and demand this of a club
What's out-of-whack is thinking every soccer parent thinks their kid is going to be a college star. Some parents just want a club they've played at for most of their lives to treat them fairly. Nothing more and if they don't, they'll struggle with their bottom line, because those kids and families will move on as they should.
Clubs have been making decisions forever that pains many entitled parents who think little Chad and Lizzy should get whatever they want because they pay the fees
The clubs are still thriving even after you left
By fairly, you mean in your favor to your liking
Clubs thriving? In the time I've watched this space, I've seen plenty of clubs go out of business or have to merge with others. I guess you missed all that. Ignore market forces at your peril.
You're claiming normal market behavior as a feather in your argument cap?
Nothing you say will make your kid playing up a reality if they're not good enough to do so. Which they're obviously not or you wouldn't be politicking for same grade teams
If Aug birthdays aren't good enough for the correct grade A team welcome to the correct grade B team. Pretty simple
Except you would have to find a team willing to break their own rules to let a non star to play up if it exists. Or find a team to play on age
That makes no sense. The B team is players not good enough for the A team.
We'll be soon seeing a TON of B team players from Aug-Dec born join A teams. Bank on it!
Their B team skills gonna improve overnight?
Not the poster you are replying to, but yes they will improve RELATIVELY overnight when matched against the different age cohort. If you can't see this, I don't know what to tell you (yes the magnitude of course it depends on the specific age group)
Amen. True dat, elitists can't see the obvious.
So conversely Aug birthday players playing down will automatically get worse when playing with grade down cohorts.
Your confusing age with grades again. Grades aren't a thing in club soccer.
Last time I checked ECNL posts players graduation year on their profiles. I wonder why they would do that? Its almost like grade in scholl matters for something. What could it be?
It's so college coaches know when to expect them on campus.
So grade in school does matter and its because college recruiters use it to assess players.
Wouldn't want to be the one player playing down on a team with kids a grade below them. Easy way for recruiters to instant reject players.
Yes, because the recruiter sees the high quality of their current play, sees their strong potential for future play but decides not to recruit because of school grade
Here's the thing that's happening. These players wouldn't even be before the recruiter if they stay on grade on a B team, because the A team is just that good. And yet they have a chance with the A team on age OR it's a position issue. Sure, some coaches may not consider out of hand I guess, but on a lot of clubs the B teams don't get that kind of exposure period -- on the A teams. The A teams are the ones on the platform, get the travel to the big events. It's at least a foot in the door.
Another reason to group by grade as early as possible so correct grade B team players can move up to the correct grade A team when young.
Higher probability to play in college from playing on age than trying to play up when not ready and forced to merely because you went to school early. Highest probability to not play in college at all but will play longer if playing on age than playing up if not ready.
And this is why college coaches wont want aug birthdays playing down trojan horses.
Seriously, if you cant play with your grade how can you play against players 4 or more years older in college?
The truth is these players aren't Trojan Horses. They probably can play with their grade but can't at their club, because the team is stacked and they're a bit young. And maybe there are no other clubs within reasonable driving distance that are in those higher leagues. And that A team on age/national league is still plenty good enough.
Anonymous wrote:G2016 was speaking with another parent this weekend about the BY the SY change. He said its weird. I asked why he thinks its weird. He said my kid is an August birthday. I said wouldn't that make your kid the oldest on a SY team? My kid is a july birthday shes screwed. He said its weird that my daughter would be playing on a team with players that are a year behind her in school. I said if you think that it's weird just tell your club that you're not paying unless shes on a team with players her grade.
Interesting exchange you could tell he instinctively knew that playing down was an issue. But he couldnt figure out why. His oldest is being recruited for swimming right so Im sure he'll put the pieces together reguarding his youngest and playing on the correct grade team.
In summary, you finally met someone with an child with an August birthday but couldn't convince them that they should kick and scream to have their kid to play up because they are special, not based on skill but because they are special. And this person didn't buy it. That would check out
I'm the person that wrote this.
I was just trying to listen to see what they were thinking. I thought it was interesting to hear their perspective. I specifically thought it was interesting that they thought it was weird for their kid to play down on a team with younger grade in school players.
You seem to have issues.
Not believable. They didn't have a problem with their daughter playing on age, just thought it was a little odd, and then you told them to go to the club and demand that they allow the girl to play up an age group. That isn't just listening.
Maybe, but the word they used was "weird" not "a little odd" and I know this guy he's 100% into his older kid getting recruited to swim in college. He said weird because playing down a grade goes against everything he's researched for his older kid. I did tell him to tell the club if he wants his kid to play with their grade. He pays the bills. You dont have to be in a weird situation just because some coach wants a big kid on their g2016 team.
The travel club doesn't care about a kids grade
Only their age and skills
That is where you're wrong.
Parents foot the bill so its up to them to protect their Aug birthday kids from being exploited by clubs/coaches playing down for short term wins vs playing with their grade for long term development and college recruiting.
If I'm a coach, no parent can tell me to take their kid to play up on my team if they lack the quality just because of school grade
Yeah, some parents may get their moronic request to play up. Then the coach doesn't play the kid so the kid quits.
Only the dumb parents ask for their kid to play up if they aren't ready and it has nothing to do with grades.
Hahaha nobody ever since the beginning of time has ever had an issue with players asking to play with players their grade.
Nice try though.
Coaches and teams absolutely hold it against kids when parents ask for special treatment.
So special treatment is asking to play with kids in your grade?
You are insane.
No serious coach or club will entertain a request for a player to play up if that player doesn't have the quality to do so.
None
Every club will let a player play with kids their grade if they're an August birthday and a grade older.
No club is going to force a player to participate in a way that is against what they want to do.
Again, nice try though.
This is where rubber meets road. Kids will just quit if you force them into a situation they don't want. It's not worth the time OR money, especially if it means joining a new team after playing with the same people for years.
What is unfortunate is this transition is going to put people into situations that won't give them good choices. Older players who want to play up to stay on grade may have to see less playing time or drop to a lower team VS. joining a team with a bunch of people they really don't know/perhaps less experienced/skilled who might resent the playing time THEY take as a stronger player. I mean, maybe some good life lessons here BUT this is why, IMO, they should have phased in the switch with younger teams first and left the HS ages alone.
People talk like this is Kindergarten social groups play-dates
Tell your kid this is how the real world works and what they will face as adults
The cutoff has changed to 8/1 and this is your new age group.
Go to training and put in the work or be a quitter
Yep, and clubs will have to face the adult reality of fewer customers if they manage things poorly.
Your sense of entitlement has removed all objective logical reality from your mind
Imagine seriously thinking your kid should be on a MLS Next team because of their birth month and demand this of a club
What's out-of-whack is thinking every soccer parent thinks their kid is going to be a college star. Some parents just want a club they've played at for most of their lives to treat them fairly. Nothing more and if they don't, they'll struggle with their bottom line, because those kids and families will move on as they should.
Clubs have been making decisions forever that pains many entitled parents who think little Chad and Lizzy should get whatever they want because they pay the fees
The clubs are still thriving even after you left
By fairly, you mean in your favor to your liking
Clubs thriving? In the time I've watched this space, I've seen plenty of clubs go out of business or have to merge with others. I guess you missed all that. Ignore market forces at your peril.
You're claiming normal market behavior as a feather in your argument cap?
Nothing you say will make your kid playing up a reality if they're not good enough to do so. Which they're obviously not or you wouldn't be politicking for same grade teams
If Aug birthdays aren't good enough for the correct grade A team welcome to the correct grade B team. Pretty simple
Except you would have to find a team willing to break their own rules to let a non star to play up if it exists. Or find a team to play on age
That makes no sense. The B team is players not good enough for the A team.
We'll be soon seeing a TON of B team players from Aug-Dec born join A teams. Bank on it!
Their B team skills gonna improve overnight?
Not the poster you are replying to, but yes they will improve RELATIVELY overnight when matched against the different age cohort. If you can't see this, I don't know what to tell you (yes the magnitude of course it depends on the specific age group)
Amen. True dat, elitists can't see the obvious.
So conversely Aug birthday players playing down will automatically get worse when playing with grade down cohorts.
Your confusing age with grades again. Grades aren't a thing in club soccer.
Last time I checked ECNL posts players graduation year on their profiles. I wonder why they would do that? Its almost like grade in scholl matters for something. What could it be?
It's so college coaches know when to expect them on campus.
So grade in school does matter and its because college recruiters use it to assess players.
Wouldn't want to be the one player playing down on a team with kids a grade below them. Easy way for recruiters to instant reject players.
Yes, because the recruiter sees the high quality of their current play, sees their strong potential for future play but decides not to recruit because of school grade
Here's the thing that's happening. These players wouldn't even be before the recruiter if they stay on grade on a B team, because the A team is just that good. And yet they have a chance with the A team on age OR it's a position issue. Sure, some coaches may not consider out of hand I guess, but on a lot of clubs the B teams don't get that kind of exposure period -- on the A teams. The A teams are the ones on the platform, get the travel to the big events. It's at least a foot in the door.
Another reason to group by grade as early as possible so correct grade B team players can move up to the correct grade A team when young.
Higher probability to play in college from playing on age than trying to play up when not ready and forced to merely because you went to school early. Highest probability to not play in college at all but will play longer if playing on age than playing up if not ready.
And this is why college coaches wont want aug birthdays playing down trojan horses.
Seriously, if you cant play with your grade how can you play against players 4 or more years older in college?
Easily. Playing on age is travel soccer rules and playing on grade is college soccer rules. Just play by the rules in both instances. Note that this is what Sept-Dec kids do now and what internals do.
Anonymous wrote:G2016 was speaking with another parent this weekend about the BY the SY change. He said its weird. I asked why he thinks its weird. He said my kid is an August birthday. I said wouldn't that make your kid the oldest on a SY team? My kid is a july birthday shes screwed. He said its weird that my daughter would be playing on a team with players that are a year behind her in school. I said if you think that it's weird just tell your club that you're not paying unless shes on a team with players her grade.
Interesting exchange you could tell he instinctively knew that playing down was an issue. But he couldnt figure out why. His oldest is being recruited for swimming right so Im sure he'll put the pieces together reguarding his youngest and playing on the correct grade team.
In summary, you finally met someone with an child with an August birthday but couldn't convince them that they should kick and scream to have their kid to play up because they are special, not based on skill but because they are special. And this person didn't buy it. That would check out
I'm the person that wrote this.
I was just trying to listen to see what they were thinking. I thought it was interesting to hear their perspective. I specifically thought it was interesting that they thought it was weird for their kid to play down on a team with younger grade in school players.
You seem to have issues.
Not believable. They didn't have a problem with their daughter playing on age, just thought it was a little odd, and then you told them to go to the club and demand that they allow the girl to play up an age group. That isn't just listening.
Maybe, but the word they used was "weird" not "a little odd" and I know this guy he's 100% into his older kid getting recruited to swim in college. He said weird because playing down a grade goes against everything he's researched for his older kid. I did tell him to tell the club if he wants his kid to play with their grade. He pays the bills. You dont have to be in a weird situation just because some coach wants a big kid on their g2016 team.
The travel club doesn't care about a kids grade
Only their age and skills
That is where you're wrong.
Parents foot the bill so its up to them to protect their Aug birthday kids from being exploited by clubs/coaches playing down for short term wins vs playing with their grade for long term development and college recruiting.
If I'm a coach, no parent can tell me to take their kid to play up on my team if they lack the quality just because of school grade
Yeah, some parents may get their moronic request to play up. Then the coach doesn't play the kid so the kid quits.
Only the dumb parents ask for their kid to play up if they aren't ready and it has nothing to do with grades.
Hahaha nobody ever since the beginning of time has ever had an issue with players asking to play with players their grade.
Nice try though.
Coaches and teams absolutely hold it against kids when parents ask for special treatment.
So special treatment is asking to play with kids in your grade?
You are insane.
No serious coach or club will entertain a request for a player to play up if that player doesn't have the quality to do so.
None
Every club will let a player play with kids their grade if they're an August birthday and a grade older.
No club is going to force a player to participate in a way that is against what they want to do.
Again, nice try though.
This is where rubber meets road. Kids will just quit if you force them into a situation they don't want. It's not worth the time OR money, especially if it means joining a new team after playing with the same people for years.
What is unfortunate is this transition is going to put people into situations that won't give them good choices. Older players who want to play up to stay on grade may have to see less playing time or drop to a lower team VS. joining a team with a bunch of people they really don't know/perhaps less experienced/skilled who might resent the playing time THEY take as a stronger player. I mean, maybe some good life lessons here BUT this is why, IMO, they should have phased in the switch with younger teams first and left the HS ages alone.
People talk like this is Kindergarten social groups play-dates
Tell your kid this is how the real world works and what they will face as adults
The cutoff has changed to 8/1 and this is your new age group.
Go to training and put in the work or be a quitter
Yep, and clubs will have to face the adult reality of fewer customers if they manage things poorly.
Your sense of entitlement has removed all objective logical reality from your mind
Imagine seriously thinking your kid should be on a MLS Next team because of their birth month and demand this of a club
What's out-of-whack is thinking every soccer parent thinks their kid is going to be a college star. Some parents just want a club they've played at for most of their lives to treat them fairly. Nothing more and if they don't, they'll struggle with their bottom line, because those kids and families will move on as they should.
Clubs have been making decisions forever that pains many entitled parents who think little Chad and Lizzy should get whatever they want because they pay the fees
The clubs are still thriving even after you left
By fairly, you mean in your favor to your liking
Clubs thriving? In the time I've watched this space, I've seen plenty of clubs go out of business or have to merge with others. I guess you missed all that. Ignore market forces at your peril.
You're claiming normal market behavior as a feather in your argument cap?
Nothing you say will make your kid playing up a reality if they're not good enough to do so. Which they're obviously not or you wouldn't be politicking for same grade teams
If Aug birthdays aren't good enough for the correct grade A team welcome to the correct grade B team. Pretty simple
Except you would have to find a team willing to break their own rules to let a non star to play up if it exists. Or find a team to play on age
That makes no sense. The B team is players not good enough for the A team.
We'll be soon seeing a TON of B team players from Aug-Dec born join A teams. Bank on it!
Their B team skills gonna improve overnight?
Not the poster you are replying to, but yes they will improve RELATIVELY overnight when matched against the different age cohort. If you can't see this, I don't know what to tell you (yes the magnitude of course it depends on the specific age group)
Amen. True dat, elitists can't see the obvious.
So conversely Aug birthday players playing down will automatically get worse when playing with grade down cohorts.
Your confusing age with grades again. Grades aren't a thing in club soccer.
Last time I checked ECNL posts players graduation year on their profiles. I wonder why they would do that? Its almost like grade in scholl matters for something. What could it be?
It's so college coaches know when to expect them on campus.
So grade in school does matter and its because college recruiters use it to assess players.
Wouldn't want to be the one player playing down on a team with kids a grade below them. Easy way for recruiters to instant reject players.
Yes, because the recruiter sees the high quality of their current play, sees their strong potential for future play but decides not to recruit because of school grade
Here's the thing that's happening. These players wouldn't even be before the recruiter if they stay on grade on a B team, because the A team is just that good. And yet they have a chance with the A team on age OR it's a position issue. Sure, some coaches may not consider out of hand I guess, but on a lot of clubs the B teams don't get that kind of exposure period -- on the A teams. The A teams are the ones on the platform, get the travel to the big events. It's at least a foot in the door.
Another reason to group by grade as early as possible so correct grade B team players can move up to the correct grade A team when young.
Higher probability to play in college from playing on age than trying to play up when not ready and forced to merely because you went to school early. Highest probability to not play in college at all but will play longer if playing on age than playing up if not ready.
And this is why college coaches wont want aug birthdays playing down trojan horses.
Seriously, if you cant play with your grade how can you play against players 4 or more years older in college?
The truth is these players aren't Trojan Horses. They probably can play with their grade but can't at their club, because the team is stacked and they're a bit young. And maybe there are no other clubs within reasonable driving distance that are in those higher leagues. And that A team on age/national league is still plenty good enough.
What gets ignored is that playing on age but off grade could be a good way for a kid to get a good D3 school. Whereas playing up buries the kid as they don't get the right position or playing time needed to excel.
Anonymous wrote:G2016 was speaking with another parent this weekend about the BY the SY change. He said its weird. I asked why he thinks its weird. He said my kid is an August birthday. I said wouldn't that make your kid the oldest on a SY team? My kid is a july birthday shes screwed. He said its weird that my daughter would be playing on a team with players that are a year behind her in school. I said if you think that it's weird just tell your club that you're not paying unless shes on a team with players her grade.
Interesting exchange you could tell he instinctively knew that playing down was an issue. But he couldnt figure out why. His oldest is being recruited for swimming right so Im sure he'll put the pieces together reguarding his youngest and playing on the correct grade team.
In summary, you finally met someone with an child with an August birthday but couldn't convince them that they should kick and scream to have their kid to play up because they are special, not based on skill but because they are special. And this person didn't buy it. That would check out
I'm the person that wrote this.
I was just trying to listen to see what they were thinking. I thought it was interesting to hear their perspective. I specifically thought it was interesting that they thought it was weird for their kid to play down on a team with younger grade in school players.
You seem to have issues.
Not believable. They didn't have a problem with their daughter playing on age, just thought it was a little odd, and then you told them to go to the club and demand that they allow the girl to play up an age group. That isn't just listening.
Maybe, but the word they used was "weird" not "a little odd" and I know this guy he's 100% into his older kid getting recruited to swim in college. He said weird because playing down a grade goes against everything he's researched for his older kid. I did tell him to tell the club if he wants his kid to play with their grade. He pays the bills. You dont have to be in a weird situation just because some coach wants a big kid on their g2016 team.
The travel club doesn't care about a kids grade
Only their age and skills
That is where you're wrong.
Parents foot the bill so its up to them to protect their Aug birthday kids from being exploited by clubs/coaches playing down for short term wins vs playing with their grade for long term development and college recruiting.
If I'm a coach, no parent can tell me to take their kid to play up on my team if they lack the quality just because of school grade
Yeah, some parents may get their moronic request to play up. Then the coach doesn't play the kid so the kid quits.
Only the dumb parents ask for their kid to play up if they aren't ready and it has nothing to do with grades.
Hahaha nobody ever since the beginning of time has ever had an issue with players asking to play with players their grade.
Nice try though.
Coaches and teams absolutely hold it against kids when parents ask for special treatment.
So special treatment is asking to play with kids in your grade?
You are insane.
No serious coach or club will entertain a request for a player to play up if that player doesn't have the quality to do so.
None
Every club will let a player play with kids their grade if they're an August birthday and a grade older.
No club is going to force a player to participate in a way that is against what they want to do.
Again, nice try though.
This is where rubber meets road. Kids will just quit if you force them into a situation they don't want. It's not worth the time OR money, especially if it means joining a new team after playing with the same people for years.
What is unfortunate is this transition is going to put people into situations that won't give them good choices. Older players who want to play up to stay on grade may have to see less playing time or drop to a lower team VS. joining a team with a bunch of people they really don't know/perhaps less experienced/skilled who might resent the playing time THEY take as a stronger player. I mean, maybe some good life lessons here BUT this is why, IMO, they should have phased in the switch with younger teams first and left the HS ages alone.
People talk like this is Kindergarten social groups play-dates
Tell your kid this is how the real world works and what they will face as adults
The cutoff has changed to 8/1 and this is your new age group.
Go to training and put in the work or be a quitter
Yep, and clubs will have to face the adult reality of fewer customers if they manage things poorly.
Your sense of entitlement has removed all objective logical reality from your mind
Imagine seriously thinking your kid should be on a MLS Next team because of their birth month and demand this of a club
What's out-of-whack is thinking every soccer parent thinks their kid is going to be a college star. Some parents just want a club they've played at for most of their lives to treat them fairly. Nothing more and if they don't, they'll struggle with their bottom line, because those kids and families will move on as they should.
Clubs have been making decisions forever that pains many entitled parents who think little Chad and Lizzy should get whatever they want because they pay the fees
The clubs are still thriving even after you left
By fairly, you mean in your favor to your liking
Clubs thriving? In the time I've watched this space, I've seen plenty of clubs go out of business or have to merge with others. I guess you missed all that. Ignore market forces at your peril.
You're claiming normal market behavior as a feather in your argument cap?
Nothing you say will make your kid playing up a reality if they're not good enough to do so. Which they're obviously not or you wouldn't be politicking for same grade teams
If Aug birthdays aren't good enough for the correct grade A team welcome to the correct grade B team. Pretty simple
Except you would have to find a team willing to break their own rules to let a non star to play up if it exists. Or find a team to play on age
That makes no sense. The B team is players not good enough for the A team.
We'll be soon seeing a TON of B team players from Aug-Dec born join A teams. Bank on it!
Their B team skills gonna improve overnight?
Not the poster you are replying to, but yes they will improve RELATIVELY overnight when matched against the different age cohort. If you can't see this, I don't know what to tell you (yes the magnitude of course it depends on the specific age group)
Amen. True dat, elitists can't see the obvious.
So conversely Aug birthday players playing down will automatically get worse when playing with grade down cohorts.
Your confusing age with grades again. Grades aren't a thing in club soccer.
Last time I checked ECNL posts players graduation year on their profiles. I wonder why they would do that? Its almost like grade in scholl matters for something. What could it be?
It's so college coaches know when to expect them on campus.
So grade in school does matter and its because college recruiters use it to assess players.
Wouldn't want to be the one player playing down on a team with kids a grade below them. Easy way for recruiters to instant reject players.
Yes, because the recruiter sees the high quality of their current play, sees their strong potential for future play but decides not to recruit because of school grade
Here's the thing that's happening. These players wouldn't even be before the recruiter if they stay on grade on a B team, because the A team is just that good. And yet they have a chance with the A team on age OR it's a position issue. Sure, some coaches may not consider out of hand I guess, but on a lot of clubs the B teams don't get that kind of exposure period -- on the A teams. The A teams are the ones on the platform, get the travel to the big events. It's at least a foot in the door.
Another reason to group by grade as early as possible so correct grade B team players can move up to the correct grade A team when young.
Higher probability to play in college from playing on age than trying to play up when not ready and forced to merely because you went to school early. Highest probability to not play in college at all but will play longer if playing on age than playing up if not ready.
And this is why college coaches wont want aug birthdays playing down trojan horses.
Seriously, if you cant play with your grade how can you play against players 4 or more years older in college?
Easily. Playing on age is travel soccer rules and playing on grade is college soccer rules. Just play by the rules in both instances. Note that this is what Sept-Dec kids do now and what internals do.
What is this grade college soccer rules?
College soccer players need to matriculate, have a maximum number of years, yada yada
Anonymous wrote:G2016 was speaking with another parent this weekend about the BY the SY change. He said its weird. I asked why he thinks its weird. He said my kid is an August birthday. I said wouldn't that make your kid the oldest on a SY team? My kid is a july birthday shes screwed. He said its weird that my daughter would be playing on a team with players that are a year behind her in school. I said if you think that it's weird just tell your club that you're not paying unless shes on a team with players her grade.
Interesting exchange you could tell he instinctively knew that playing down was an issue. But he couldnt figure out why. His oldest is being recruited for swimming right so Im sure he'll put the pieces together reguarding his youngest and playing on the correct grade team.
In summary, you finally met someone with an child with an August birthday but couldn't convince them that they should kick and scream to have their kid to play up because they are special, not based on skill but because they are special. And this person didn't buy it. That would check out
I'm the person that wrote this.
I was just trying to listen to see what they were thinking. I thought it was interesting to hear their perspective. I specifically thought it was interesting that they thought it was weird for their kid to play down on a team with younger grade in school players.
You seem to have issues.
Not believable. They didn't have a problem with their daughter playing on age, just thought it was a little odd, and then you told them to go to the club and demand that they allow the girl to play up an age group. That isn't just listening.
Maybe, but the word they used was "weird" not "a little odd" and I know this guy he's 100% into his older kid getting recruited to swim in college. He said weird because playing down a grade goes against everything he's researched for his older kid. I did tell him to tell the club if he wants his kid to play with their grade. He pays the bills. You dont have to be in a weird situation just because some coach wants a big kid on their g2016 team.
The travel club doesn't care about a kids grade
Only their age and skills
That is where you're wrong.
Parents foot the bill so its up to them to protect their Aug birthday kids from being exploited by clubs/coaches playing down for short term wins vs playing with their grade for long term development and college recruiting.
If I'm a coach, no parent can tell me to take their kid to play up on my team if they lack the quality just because of school grade
Yeah, some parents may get their moronic request to play up. Then the coach doesn't play the kid so the kid quits.
Only the dumb parents ask for their kid to play up if they aren't ready and it has nothing to do with grades.
Hahaha nobody ever since the beginning of time has ever had an issue with players asking to play with players their grade.
Nice try though.
Coaches and teams absolutely hold it against kids when parents ask for special treatment.
So special treatment is asking to play with kids in your grade?
You are insane.
No serious coach or club will entertain a request for a player to play up if that player doesn't have the quality to do so.
None
Every club will let a player play with kids their grade if they're an August birthday and a grade older.
No club is going to force a player to participate in a way that is against what they want to do.
Again, nice try though.
This is where rubber meets road. Kids will just quit if you force them into a situation they don't want. It's not worth the time OR money, especially if it means joining a new team after playing with the same people for years.
What is unfortunate is this transition is going to put people into situations that won't give them good choices. Older players who want to play up to stay on grade may have to see less playing time or drop to a lower team VS. joining a team with a bunch of people they really don't know/perhaps less experienced/skilled who might resent the playing time THEY take as a stronger player. I mean, maybe some good life lessons here BUT this is why, IMO, they should have phased in the switch with younger teams first and left the HS ages alone.
People talk like this is Kindergarten social groups play-dates
Tell your kid this is how the real world works and what they will face as adults
The cutoff has changed to 8/1 and this is your new age group.
Go to training and put in the work or be a quitter
Yep, and clubs will have to face the adult reality of fewer customers if they manage things poorly.
Your sense of entitlement has removed all objective logical reality from your mind
Imagine seriously thinking your kid should be on a MLS Next team because of their birth month and demand this of a club
What's out-of-whack is thinking every soccer parent thinks their kid is going to be a college star. Some parents just want a club they've played at for most of their lives to treat them fairly. Nothing more and if they don't, they'll struggle with their bottom line, because those kids and families will move on as they should.
Clubs have been making decisions forever that pains many entitled parents who think little Chad and Lizzy should get whatever they want because they pay the fees
The clubs are still thriving even after you left
By fairly, you mean in your favor to your liking
Clubs thriving? In the time I've watched this space, I've seen plenty of clubs go out of business or have to merge with others. I guess you missed all that. Ignore market forces at your peril.
You're claiming normal market behavior as a feather in your argument cap?
Nothing you say will make your kid playing up a reality if they're not good enough to do so. Which they're obviously not or you wouldn't be politicking for same grade teams
If Aug birthdays aren't good enough for the correct grade A team welcome to the correct grade B team. Pretty simple
Except you would have to find a team willing to break their own rules to let a non star to play up if it exists. Or find a team to play on age
That makes no sense. The B team is players not good enough for the A team.
We'll be soon seeing a TON of B team players from Aug-Dec born join A teams. Bank on it!
Their B team skills gonna improve overnight?
Not the poster you are replying to, but yes they will improve RELATIVELY overnight when matched against the different age cohort. If you can't see this, I don't know what to tell you (yes the magnitude of course it depends on the specific age group)
Amen. True dat, elitists can't see the obvious.
So conversely Aug birthday players playing down will automatically get worse when playing with grade down cohorts.
Your confusing age with grades again. Grades aren't a thing in club soccer.
Last time I checked ECNL posts players graduation year on their profiles. I wonder why they would do that? Its almost like grade in scholl matters for something. What could it be?
It's so college coaches know when to expect them on campus.
So grade in school does matter and its because college recruiters use it to assess players.
Wouldn't want to be the one player playing down on a team with kids a grade below them. Easy way for recruiters to instant reject players.
Yes, because the recruiter sees the high quality of their current play, sees their strong potential for future play but decides not to recruit because of school grade
Here's the thing that's happening. These players wouldn't even be before the recruiter if they stay on grade on a B team, because the A team is just that good. And yet they have a chance with the A team on age OR it's a position issue. Sure, some coaches may not consider out of hand I guess, but on a lot of clubs the B teams don't get that kind of exposure period -- on the A teams. The A teams are the ones on the platform, get the travel to the big events. It's at least a foot in the door.
Another reason to group by grade as early as possible so correct grade B team players can move up to the correct grade A team when young.
Higher probability to play in college from playing on age than trying to play up when not ready and forced to merely because you went to school early. Highest probability to not play in college at all but will play longer if playing on age than playing up if not ready.
And this is why college coaches wont want aug birthdays playing down trojan horses.
Seriously, if you cant play with your grade how can you play against players 4 or more years older in college?
The truth is these players aren't Trojan Horses. They probably can play with their grade but can't at their club, because the team is stacked and they're a bit young. And maybe there are no other clubs within reasonable driving distance that are in those higher leagues. And that A team on age/national league is still plenty good enough.
What gets ignored is that playing on age but off grade could be a good way for a kid to get a good D3 school. Whereas playing up buries the kid as they don't get the right position or playing time needed to excel.
It also steals minutes from a player thats the correct grade who is good enough for a D3 school.
Anonymous wrote:G2016 was speaking with another parent this weekend about the BY the SY change. He said its weird. I asked why he thinks its weird. He said my kid is an August birthday. I said wouldn't that make your kid the oldest on a SY team? My kid is a july birthday shes screwed. He said its weird that my daughter would be playing on a team with players that are a year behind her in school. I said if you think that it's weird just tell your club that you're not paying unless shes on a team with players her grade.
Interesting exchange you could tell he instinctively knew that playing down was an issue. But he couldnt figure out why. His oldest is being recruited for swimming right so Im sure he'll put the pieces together reguarding his youngest and playing on the correct grade team.
In summary, you finally met someone with an child with an August birthday but couldn't convince them that they should kick and scream to have their kid to play up because they are special, not based on skill but because they are special. And this person didn't buy it. That would check out
I'm the person that wrote this.
I was just trying to listen to see what they were thinking. I thought it was interesting to hear their perspective. I specifically thought it was interesting that they thought it was weird for their kid to play down on a team with younger grade in school players.
You seem to have issues.
Not believable. They didn't have a problem with their daughter playing on age, just thought it was a little odd, and then you told them to go to the club and demand that they allow the girl to play up an age group. That isn't just listening.
Maybe, but the word they used was "weird" not "a little odd" and I know this guy he's 100% into his older kid getting recruited to swim in college. He said weird because playing down a grade goes against everything he's researched for his older kid. I did tell him to tell the club if he wants his kid to play with their grade. He pays the bills. You dont have to be in a weird situation just because some coach wants a big kid on their g2016 team.
The travel club doesn't care about a kids grade
Only their age and skills
That is where you're wrong.
Parents foot the bill so its up to them to protect their Aug birthday kids from being exploited by clubs/coaches playing down for short term wins vs playing with their grade for long term development and college recruiting.
If I'm a coach, no parent can tell me to take their kid to play up on my team if they lack the quality just because of school grade
Yeah, some parents may get their moronic request to play up. Then the coach doesn't play the kid so the kid quits.
Only the dumb parents ask for their kid to play up if they aren't ready and it has nothing to do with grades.
Hahaha nobody ever since the beginning of time has ever had an issue with players asking to play with players their grade.
Nice try though.
Coaches and teams absolutely hold it against kids when parents ask for special treatment.
So special treatment is asking to play with kids in your grade?
You are insane.
No serious coach or club will entertain a request for a player to play up if that player doesn't have the quality to do so.
None
Every club will let a player play with kids their grade if they're an August birthday and a grade older.
No club is going to force a player to participate in a way that is against what they want to do.
Again, nice try though.
This is where rubber meets road. Kids will just quit if you force them into a situation they don't want. It's not worth the time OR money, especially if it means joining a new team after playing with the same people for years.
What is unfortunate is this transition is going to put people into situations that won't give them good choices. Older players who want to play up to stay on grade may have to see less playing time or drop to a lower team VS. joining a team with a bunch of people they really don't know/perhaps less experienced/skilled who might resent the playing time THEY take as a stronger player. I mean, maybe some good life lessons here BUT this is why, IMO, they should have phased in the switch with younger teams first and left the HS ages alone.
People talk like this is Kindergarten social groups play-dates
Tell your kid this is how the real world works and what they will face as adults
The cutoff has changed to 8/1 and this is your new age group.
Go to training and put in the work or be a quitter
Yep, and clubs will have to face the adult reality of fewer customers if they manage things poorly.
Your sense of entitlement has removed all objective logical reality from your mind
Imagine seriously thinking your kid should be on a MLS Next team because of their birth month and demand this of a club
What's out-of-whack is thinking every soccer parent thinks their kid is going to be a college star. Some parents just want a club they've played at for most of their lives to treat them fairly. Nothing more and if they don't, they'll struggle with their bottom line, because those kids and families will move on as they should.
Clubs have been making decisions forever that pains many entitled parents who think little Chad and Lizzy should get whatever they want because they pay the fees
The clubs are still thriving even after you left
By fairly, you mean in your favor to your liking
Clubs thriving? In the time I've watched this space, I've seen plenty of clubs go out of business or have to merge with others. I guess you missed all that. Ignore market forces at your peril.
You're claiming normal market behavior as a feather in your argument cap?
Nothing you say will make your kid playing up a reality if they're not good enough to do so. Which they're obviously not or you wouldn't be politicking for same grade teams
If Aug birthdays aren't good enough for the correct grade A team welcome to the correct grade B team. Pretty simple
Except you would have to find a team willing to break their own rules to let a non star to play up if it exists. Or find a team to play on age
That makes no sense. The B team is players not good enough for the A team.
We'll be soon seeing a TON of B team players from Aug-Dec born join A teams. Bank on it!
Their B team skills gonna improve overnight?
Not the poster you are replying to, but yes they will improve RELATIVELY overnight when matched against the different age cohort. If you can't see this, I don't know what to tell you (yes the magnitude of course it depends on the specific age group)
Amen. True dat, elitists can't see the obvious.
So conversely Aug birthday players playing down will automatically get worse when playing with grade down cohorts.
Your confusing age with grades again. Grades aren't a thing in club soccer.
Last time I checked ECNL posts players graduation year on their profiles. I wonder why they would do that? Its almost like grade in scholl matters for something. What could it be?
It's so college coaches know when to expect them on campus.
So grade in school does matter and its because college recruiters use it to assess players.
Wouldn't want to be the one player playing down on a team with kids a grade below them. Easy way for recruiters to instant reject players.
Yes, because the recruiter sees the high quality of their current play, sees their strong potential for future play but decides not to recruit because of school grade
Here's the thing that's happening. These players wouldn't even be before the recruiter if they stay on grade on a B team, because the A team is just that good. And yet they have a chance with the A team on age OR it's a position issue. Sure, some coaches may not consider out of hand I guess, but on a lot of clubs the B teams don't get that kind of exposure period -- on the A teams. The A teams are the ones on the platform, get the travel to the big events. It's at least a foot in the door.
Another reason to group by grade as early as possible so correct grade B team players can move up to the correct grade A team when young.
Higher probability to play in college from playing on age than trying to play up when not ready and forced to merely because you went to school early. Highest probability to not play in college at all but will play longer if playing on age than playing up if not ready.
And this is why college coaches wont want aug birthdays playing down trojan horses.
Seriously, if you cant play with your grade how can you play against players 4 or more years older in college?
Easily. Playing on age is travel soccer rules and playing on grade is college soccer rules. Just play by the rules in both instances. Note that this is what Sept-Dec kids do now and what internals do.
The way to "Just play by the rules of both instances" is for young Aug-Dec players to play on the team that's their grade in school.
This is the issue. If you want to make Youth Soccer work for College recruiters then young players will need to play with their grade.
Anonymous wrote:G2016 was speaking with another parent this weekend about the BY the SY change. He said its weird. I asked why he thinks its weird. He said my kid is an August birthday. I said wouldn't that make your kid the oldest on a SY team? My kid is a july birthday shes screwed. He said its weird that my daughter would be playing on a team with players that are a year behind her in school. I said if you think that it's weird just tell your club that you're not paying unless shes on a team with players her grade.
Interesting exchange you could tell he instinctively knew that playing down was an issue. But he couldnt figure out why. His oldest is being recruited for swimming right so Im sure he'll put the pieces together reguarding his youngest and playing on the correct grade team.
In summary, you finally met someone with an child with an August birthday but couldn't convince them that they should kick and scream to have their kid to play up because they are special, not based on skill but because they are special. And this person didn't buy it. That would check out
I'm the person that wrote this.
I was just trying to listen to see what they were thinking. I thought it was interesting to hear their perspective. I specifically thought it was interesting that they thought it was weird for their kid to play down on a team with younger grade in school players.
You seem to have issues.
Not believable. They didn't have a problem with their daughter playing on age, just thought it was a little odd, and then you told them to go to the club and demand that they allow the girl to play up an age group. That isn't just listening.
Maybe, but the word they used was "weird" not "a little odd" and I know this guy he's 100% into his older kid getting recruited to swim in college. He said weird because playing down a grade goes against everything he's researched for his older kid. I did tell him to tell the club if he wants his kid to play with their grade. He pays the bills. You dont have to be in a weird situation just because some coach wants a big kid on their g2016 team.
The travel club doesn't care about a kids grade
Only their age and skills
That is where you're wrong.
Parents foot the bill so its up to them to protect their Aug birthday kids from being exploited by clubs/coaches playing down for short term wins vs playing with their grade for long term development and college recruiting.
If I'm a coach, no parent can tell me to take their kid to play up on my team if they lack the quality just because of school grade
Yeah, some parents may get their moronic request to play up. Then the coach doesn't play the kid so the kid quits.
Only the dumb parents ask for their kid to play up if they aren't ready and it has nothing to do with grades.
Hahaha nobody ever since the beginning of time has ever had an issue with players asking to play with players their grade.
Nice try though.
Coaches and teams absolutely hold it against kids when parents ask for special treatment.
So special treatment is asking to play with kids in your grade?
You are insane.
No serious coach or club will entertain a request for a player to play up if that player doesn't have the quality to do so.
None
Every club will let a player play with kids their grade if they're an August birthday and a grade older.
No club is going to force a player to participate in a way that is against what they want to do.
Again, nice try though.
This is where rubber meets road. Kids will just quit if you force them into a situation they don't want. It's not worth the time OR money, especially if it means joining a new team after playing with the same people for years.
What is unfortunate is this transition is going to put people into situations that won't give them good choices. Older players who want to play up to stay on grade may have to see less playing time or drop to a lower team VS. joining a team with a bunch of people they really don't know/perhaps less experienced/skilled who might resent the playing time THEY take as a stronger player. I mean, maybe some good life lessons here BUT this is why, IMO, they should have phased in the switch with younger teams first and left the HS ages alone.
People talk like this is Kindergarten social groups play-dates
Tell your kid this is how the real world works and what they will face as adults
The cutoff has changed to 8/1 and this is your new age group.
Go to training and put in the work or be a quitter
Yep, and clubs will have to face the adult reality of fewer customers if they manage things poorly.
Your sense of entitlement has removed all objective logical reality from your mind
Imagine seriously thinking your kid should be on a MLS Next team because of their birth month and demand this of a club
What's out-of-whack is thinking every soccer parent thinks their kid is going to be a college star. Some parents just want a club they've played at for most of their lives to treat them fairly. Nothing more and if they don't, they'll struggle with their bottom line, because those kids and families will move on as they should.
Clubs have been making decisions forever that pains many entitled parents who think little Chad and Lizzy should get whatever they want because they pay the fees
The clubs are still thriving even after you left
By fairly, you mean in your favor to your liking
Clubs thriving? In the time I've watched this space, I've seen plenty of clubs go out of business or have to merge with others. I guess you missed all that. Ignore market forces at your peril.
You're claiming normal market behavior as a feather in your argument cap?
Nothing you say will make your kid playing up a reality if they're not good enough to do so. Which they're obviously not or you wouldn't be politicking for same grade teams
If Aug birthdays aren't good enough for the correct grade A team welcome to the correct grade B team. Pretty simple
Except you would have to find a team willing to break their own rules to let a non star to play up if it exists. Or find a team to play on age
That makes no sense. The B team is players not good enough for the A team.
We'll be soon seeing a TON of B team players from Aug-Dec born join A teams. Bank on it!
Their B team skills gonna improve overnight?
Not the poster you are replying to, but yes they will improve RELATIVELY overnight when matched against the different age cohort. If you can't see this, I don't know what to tell you (yes the magnitude of course it depends on the specific age group)
Amen. True dat, elitists can't see the obvious.
So conversely Aug birthday players playing down will automatically get worse when playing with grade down cohorts.
Your confusing age with grades again. Grades aren't a thing in club soccer.
Last time I checked ECNL posts players graduation year on their profiles. I wonder why they would do that? Its almost like grade in scholl matters for something. What could it be?
It's so college coaches know when to expect them on campus.
So grade in school does matter and its because college recruiters use it to assess players.
Wouldn't want to be the one player playing down on a team with kids a grade below them. Easy way for recruiters to instant reject players.
Yes, because the recruiter sees the high quality of their current play, sees their strong potential for future play but decides not to recruit because of school grade
Here's the thing that's happening. These players wouldn't even be before the recruiter if they stay on grade on a B team, because the A team is just that good. And yet they have a chance with the A team on age OR it's a position issue. Sure, some coaches may not consider out of hand I guess, but on a lot of clubs the B teams don't get that kind of exposure period -- on the A teams. The A teams are the ones on the platform, get the travel to the big events. It's at least a foot in the door.
Another reason to group by grade as early as possible so correct grade B team players can move up to the correct grade A team when young.
Higher probability to play in college from playing on age than trying to play up when not ready and forced to merely because you went to school early. Highest probability to not play in college at all but will play longer if playing on age than playing up if not ready.
And this is why college coaches wont want aug birthdays playing down trojan horses.
Seriously, if you cant play with your grade how can you play against players 4 or more years older in college?
The truth is these players aren't Trojan Horses. They probably can play with their grade but can't at their club, because the team is stacked and they're a bit young. And maybe there are no other clubs within reasonable driving distance that are in those higher leagues. And that A team on age/national league is still plenty good enough.
What gets ignored is that playing on age but off grade could be a good way for a kid to get a good D3 school. Whereas playing up buries the kid as they don't get the right position or playing time needed to excel.
It also steals minutes from a player thats the correct grade who is good enough for a D3 school.
Nobody allowed to play is stealing minutes from anyone. That's a jerk thing to suggest especially when clubs are forcing kids to play on age.
Anonymous wrote:G2016 was speaking with another parent this weekend about the BY the SY change. He said its weird. I asked why he thinks its weird. He said my kid is an August birthday. I said wouldn't that make your kid the oldest on a SY team? My kid is a july birthday shes screwed. He said its weird that my daughter would be playing on a team with players that are a year behind her in school. I said if you think that it's weird just tell your club that you're not paying unless shes on a team with players her grade.
Interesting exchange you could tell he instinctively knew that playing down was an issue. But he couldnt figure out why. His oldest is being recruited for swimming right so Im sure he'll put the pieces together reguarding his youngest and playing on the correct grade team.
In summary, you finally met someone with an child with an August birthday but couldn't convince them that they should kick and scream to have their kid to play up because they are special, not based on skill but because they are special. And this person didn't buy it. That would check out
I'm the person that wrote this.
I was just trying to listen to see what they were thinking. I thought it was interesting to hear their perspective. I specifically thought it was interesting that they thought it was weird for their kid to play down on a team with younger grade in school players.
You seem to have issues.
Not believable. They didn't have a problem with their daughter playing on age, just thought it was a little odd, and then you told them to go to the club and demand that they allow the girl to play up an age group. That isn't just listening.
Maybe, but the word they used was "weird" not "a little odd" and I know this guy he's 100% into his older kid getting recruited to swim in college. He said weird because playing down a grade goes against everything he's researched for his older kid. I did tell him to tell the club if he wants his kid to play with their grade. He pays the bills. You dont have to be in a weird situation just because some coach wants a big kid on their g2016 team.
The travel club doesn't care about a kids grade
Only their age and skills
That is where you're wrong.
Parents foot the bill so its up to them to protect their Aug birthday kids from being exploited by clubs/coaches playing down for short term wins vs playing with their grade for long term development and college recruiting.
If I'm a coach, no parent can tell me to take their kid to play up on my team if they lack the quality just because of school grade
Yeah, some parents may get their moronic request to play up. Then the coach doesn't play the kid so the kid quits.
Only the dumb parents ask for their kid to play up if they aren't ready and it has nothing to do with grades.
Hahaha nobody ever since the beginning of time has ever had an issue with players asking to play with players their grade.
Nice try though.
Coaches and teams absolutely hold it against kids when parents ask for special treatment.
So special treatment is asking to play with kids in your grade?
You are insane.
No serious coach or club will entertain a request for a player to play up if that player doesn't have the quality to do so.
None
Every club will let a player play with kids their grade if they're an August birthday and a grade older.
No club is going to force a player to participate in a way that is against what they want to do.
Again, nice try though.
This is where rubber meets road. Kids will just quit if you force them into a situation they don't want. It's not worth the time OR money, especially if it means joining a new team after playing with the same people for years.
What is unfortunate is this transition is going to put people into situations that won't give them good choices. Older players who want to play up to stay on grade may have to see less playing time or drop to a lower team VS. joining a team with a bunch of people they really don't know/perhaps less experienced/skilled who might resent the playing time THEY take as a stronger player. I mean, maybe some good life lessons here BUT this is why, IMO, they should have phased in the switch with younger teams first and left the HS ages alone.
People talk like this is Kindergarten social groups play-dates
Tell your kid this is how the real world works and what they will face as adults
The cutoff has changed to 8/1 and this is your new age group.
Go to training and put in the work or be a quitter
Yep, and clubs will have to face the adult reality of fewer customers if they manage things poorly.
Your sense of entitlement has removed all objective logical reality from your mind
Imagine seriously thinking your kid should be on a MLS Next team because of their birth month and demand this of a club
What's out-of-whack is thinking every soccer parent thinks their kid is going to be a college star. Some parents just want a club they've played at for most of their lives to treat them fairly. Nothing more and if they don't, they'll struggle with their bottom line, because those kids and families will move on as they should.
Clubs have been making decisions forever that pains many entitled parents who think little Chad and Lizzy should get whatever they want because they pay the fees
The clubs are still thriving even after you left
By fairly, you mean in your favor to your liking
Clubs thriving? In the time I've watched this space, I've seen plenty of clubs go out of business or have to merge with others. I guess you missed all that. Ignore market forces at your peril.
You're claiming normal market behavior as a feather in your argument cap?
Nothing you say will make your kid playing up a reality if they're not good enough to do so. Which they're obviously not or you wouldn't be politicking for same grade teams
If Aug birthdays aren't good enough for the correct grade A team welcome to the correct grade B team. Pretty simple
Except you would have to find a team willing to break their own rules to let a non star to play up if it exists. Or find a team to play on age
That makes no sense. The B team is players not good enough for the A team.
We'll be soon seeing a TON of B team players from Aug-Dec born join A teams. Bank on it!
Their B team skills gonna improve overnight?
Not the poster you are replying to, but yes they will improve RELATIVELY overnight when matched against the different age cohort. If you can't see this, I don't know what to tell you (yes the magnitude of course it depends on the specific age group)
Amen. True dat, elitists can't see the obvious.
So conversely Aug birthday players playing down will automatically get worse when playing with grade down cohorts.
Your confusing age with grades again. Grades aren't a thing in club soccer.
Last time I checked ECNL posts players graduation year on their profiles. I wonder why they would do that? Its almost like grade in scholl matters for something. What could it be?
It's so college coaches know when to expect them on campus.
So grade in school does matter and its because college recruiters use it to assess players.
Wouldn't want to be the one player playing down on a team with kids a grade below them. Easy way for recruiters to instant reject players.
Yes, because the recruiter sees the high quality of their current play, sees their strong potential for future play but decides not to recruit because of school grade
Here's the thing that's happening. These players wouldn't even be before the recruiter if they stay on grade on a B team, because the A team is just that good. And yet they have a chance with the A team on age OR it's a position issue. Sure, some coaches may not consider out of hand I guess, but on a lot of clubs the B teams don't get that kind of exposure period -- on the A teams. The A teams are the ones on the platform, get the travel to the big events. It's at least a foot in the door.
Another reason to group by grade as early as possible so correct grade B team players can move up to the correct grade A team when young.
Higher probability to play in college from playing on age than trying to play up when not ready and forced to merely because you went to school early. Highest probability to not play in college at all but will play longer if playing on age than playing up if not ready.
And this is why college coaches wont want aug birthdays playing down trojan horses.
Seriously, if you cant play with your grade how can you play against players 4 or more years older in college?
Easily. Playing on age is travel soccer rules and playing on grade is college soccer rules. Just play by the rules in both instances. Note that this is what Sept-Dec kids do now and what internals do.
The way to "Just play by the rules of both instances" is for young Aug-Dec players to play on the team that's their grade in school.
This is the issue. If you want to make Youth Soccer work for College recruiters then young players will need to play with their grade.
You might as well give up pushing for GY. You are on an island by yourself.
Anonymous wrote:G2016 was speaking with another parent this weekend about the BY the SY change. He said its weird. I asked why he thinks its weird. He said my kid is an August birthday. I said wouldn't that make your kid the oldest on a SY team? My kid is a july birthday shes screwed. He said its weird that my daughter would be playing on a team with players that are a year behind her in school. I said if you think that it's weird just tell your club that you're not paying unless shes on a team with players her grade.
Interesting exchange you could tell he instinctively knew that playing down was an issue. But he couldnt figure out why. His oldest is being recruited for swimming right so Im sure he'll put the pieces together reguarding his youngest and playing on the correct grade team.
In summary, you finally met someone with an child with an August birthday but couldn't convince them that they should kick and scream to have their kid to play up because they are special, not based on skill but because they are special. And this person didn't buy it. That would check out
I'm the person that wrote this.
I was just trying to listen to see what they were thinking. I thought it was interesting to hear their perspective. I specifically thought it was interesting that they thought it was weird for their kid to play down on a team with younger grade in school players.
You seem to have issues.
Not believable. They didn't have a problem with their daughter playing on age, just thought it was a little odd, and then you told them to go to the club and demand that they allow the girl to play up an age group. That isn't just listening.
Maybe, but the word they used was "weird" not "a little odd" and I know this guy he's 100% into his older kid getting recruited to swim in college. He said weird because playing down a grade goes against everything he's researched for his older kid. I did tell him to tell the club if he wants his kid to play with their grade. He pays the bills. You dont have to be in a weird situation just because some coach wants a big kid on their g2016 team.
The travel club doesn't care about a kids grade
Only their age and skills
That is where you're wrong.
Parents foot the bill so its up to them to protect their Aug birthday kids from being exploited by clubs/coaches playing down for short term wins vs playing with their grade for long term development and college recruiting.
If I'm a coach, no parent can tell me to take their kid to play up on my team if they lack the quality just because of school grade
Yeah, some parents may get their moronic request to play up. Then the coach doesn't play the kid so the kid quits.
Only the dumb parents ask for their kid to play up if they aren't ready and it has nothing to do with grades.
Hahaha nobody ever since the beginning of time has ever had an issue with players asking to play with players their grade.
Nice try though.
Coaches and teams absolutely hold it against kids when parents ask for special treatment.
So special treatment is asking to play with kids in your grade?
You are insane.
No serious coach or club will entertain a request for a player to play up if that player doesn't have the quality to do so.
None
Every club will let a player play with kids their grade if they're an August birthday and a grade older.
No club is going to force a player to participate in a way that is against what they want to do.
Again, nice try though.
This is where rubber meets road. Kids will just quit if you force them into a situation they don't want. It's not worth the time OR money, especially if it means joining a new team after playing with the same people for years.
What is unfortunate is this transition is going to put people into situations that won't give them good choices. Older players who want to play up to stay on grade may have to see less playing time or drop to a lower team VS. joining a team with a bunch of people they really don't know/perhaps less experienced/skilled who might resent the playing time THEY take as a stronger player. I mean, maybe some good life lessons here BUT this is why, IMO, they should have phased in the switch with younger teams first and left the HS ages alone.
People talk like this is Kindergarten social groups play-dates
Tell your kid this is how the real world works and what they will face as adults
The cutoff has changed to 8/1 and this is your new age group.
Go to training and put in the work or be a quitter
Yep, and clubs will have to face the adult reality of fewer customers if they manage things poorly.
Your sense of entitlement has removed all objective logical reality from your mind
Imagine seriously thinking your kid should be on a MLS Next team because of their birth month and demand this of a club
What's out-of-whack is thinking every soccer parent thinks their kid is going to be a college star. Some parents just want a club they've played at for most of their lives to treat them fairly. Nothing more and if they don't, they'll struggle with their bottom line, because those kids and families will move on as they should.
Clubs have been making decisions forever that pains many entitled parents who think little Chad and Lizzy should get whatever they want because they pay the fees
The clubs are still thriving even after you left
By fairly, you mean in your favor to your liking
Clubs thriving? In the time I've watched this space, I've seen plenty of clubs go out of business or have to merge with others. I guess you missed all that. Ignore market forces at your peril.
You're claiming normal market behavior as a feather in your argument cap?
Nothing you say will make your kid playing up a reality if they're not good enough to do so. Which they're obviously not or you wouldn't be politicking for same grade teams
If Aug birthdays aren't good enough for the correct grade A team welcome to the correct grade B team. Pretty simple
Except you would have to find a team willing to break their own rules to let a non star to play up if it exists. Or find a team to play on age
That makes no sense. The B team is players not good enough for the A team.
We'll be soon seeing a TON of B team players from Aug-Dec born join A teams. Bank on it!
Their B team skills gonna improve overnight?
Not the poster you are replying to, but yes they will improve RELATIVELY overnight when matched against the different age cohort. If you can't see this, I don't know what to tell you (yes the magnitude of course it depends on the specific age group)
Amen. True dat, elitists can't see the obvious.
So conversely Aug birthday players playing down will automatically get worse when playing with grade down cohorts.
Your confusing age with grades again. Grades aren't a thing in club soccer.
Last time I checked ECNL posts players graduation year on their profiles. I wonder why they would do that? Its almost like grade in scholl matters for something. What could it be?
It's so college coaches know when to expect them on campus.
So grade in school does matter and its because college recruiters use it to assess players.
Wouldn't want to be the one player playing down on a team with kids a grade below them. Easy way for recruiters to instant reject players.
Yes, because the recruiter sees the high quality of their current play, sees their strong potential for future play but decides not to recruit because of school grade
Here's the thing that's happening. These players wouldn't even be before the recruiter if they stay on grade on a B team, because the A team is just that good. And yet they have a chance with the A team on age OR it's a position issue. Sure, some coaches may not consider out of hand I guess, but on a lot of clubs the B teams don't get that kind of exposure period -- on the A teams. The A teams are the ones on the platform, get the travel to the big events. It's at least a foot in the door.
Another reason to group by grade as early as possible so correct grade B team players can move up to the correct grade A team when young.
Higher probability to play in college from playing on age than trying to play up when not ready and forced to merely because you went to school early. Highest probability to not play in college at all but will play longer if playing on age than playing up if not ready.
And this is why college coaches wont want aug birthdays playing down trojan horses.
Seriously, if you cant play with your grade how can you play against players 4 or more years older in college?
Easily. Playing on age is travel soccer rules and playing on grade is college soccer rules. Just play by the rules in both instances. Note that this is what Sept-Dec kids do now and what internals do.
The way to "Just play by the rules of both instances" is for young Aug-Dec players to play on the team that's their grade in school.
This is the issue. If you want to make Youth Soccer work for College recruiters then young players will need to play with their grade.
I think college recruiters will be happy enough with large majority playing by grade. A few exceptions won't be a big deal.
Anonymous wrote:G2016 was speaking with another parent this weekend about the BY the SY change. He said its weird. I asked why he thinks its weird. He said my kid is an August birthday. I said wouldn't that make your kid the oldest on a SY team? My kid is a july birthday shes screwed. He said its weird that my daughter would be playing on a team with players that are a year behind her in school. I said if you think that it's weird just tell your club that you're not paying unless shes on a team with players her grade.
Interesting exchange you could tell he instinctively knew that playing down was an issue. But he couldnt figure out why. His oldest is being recruited for swimming right so Im sure he'll put the pieces together reguarding his youngest and playing on the correct grade team.
In summary, you finally met someone with an child with an August birthday but couldn't convince them that they should kick and scream to have their kid to play up because they are special, not based on skill but because they are special. And this person didn't buy it. That would check out
I'm the person that wrote this.
I was just trying to listen to see what they were thinking. I thought it was interesting to hear their perspective. I specifically thought it was interesting that they thought it was weird for their kid to play down on a team with younger grade in school players.
You seem to have issues.
Not believable. They didn't have a problem with their daughter playing on age, just thought it was a little odd, and then you told them to go to the club and demand that they allow the girl to play up an age group. That isn't just listening.
Maybe, but the word they used was "weird" not "a little odd" and I know this guy he's 100% into his older kid getting recruited to swim in college. He said weird because playing down a grade goes against everything he's researched for his older kid. I did tell him to tell the club if he wants his kid to play with their grade. He pays the bills. You dont have to be in a weird situation just because some coach wants a big kid on their g2016 team.
The travel club doesn't care about a kids grade
Only their age and skills
That is where you're wrong.
Parents foot the bill so its up to them to protect their Aug birthday kids from being exploited by clubs/coaches playing down for short term wins vs playing with their grade for long term development and college recruiting.
If I'm a coach, no parent can tell me to take their kid to play up on my team if they lack the quality just because of school grade
Yeah, some parents may get their moronic request to play up. Then the coach doesn't play the kid so the kid quits.
Only the dumb parents ask for their kid to play up if they aren't ready and it has nothing to do with grades.
Hahaha nobody ever since the beginning of time has ever had an issue with players asking to play with players their grade.
Nice try though.
Coaches and teams absolutely hold it against kids when parents ask for special treatment.
So special treatment is asking to play with kids in your grade?
You are insane.
No serious coach or club will entertain a request for a player to play up if that player doesn't have the quality to do so.
None
Every club will let a player play with kids their grade if they're an August birthday and a grade older.
No club is going to force a player to participate in a way that is against what they want to do.
Again, nice try though.
This is where rubber meets road. Kids will just quit if you force them into a situation they don't want. It's not worth the time OR money, especially if it means joining a new team after playing with the same people for years.
What is unfortunate is this transition is going to put people into situations that won't give them good choices. Older players who want to play up to stay on grade may have to see less playing time or drop to a lower team VS. joining a team with a bunch of people they really don't know/perhaps less experienced/skilled who might resent the playing time THEY take as a stronger player. I mean, maybe some good life lessons here BUT this is why, IMO, they should have phased in the switch with younger teams first and left the HS ages alone.
People talk like this is Kindergarten social groups play-dates
Tell your kid this is how the real world works and what they will face as adults
The cutoff has changed to 8/1 and this is your new age group.
Go to training and put in the work or be a quitter
Yep, and clubs will have to face the adult reality of fewer customers if they manage things poorly.
Your sense of entitlement has removed all objective logical reality from your mind
Imagine seriously thinking your kid should be on a MLS Next team because of their birth month and demand this of a club
What's out-of-whack is thinking every soccer parent thinks their kid is going to be a college star. Some parents just want a club they've played at for most of their lives to treat them fairly. Nothing more and if they don't, they'll struggle with their bottom line, because those kids and families will move on as they should.
Clubs have been making decisions forever that pains many entitled parents who think little Chad and Lizzy should get whatever they want because they pay the fees
The clubs are still thriving even after you left
By fairly, you mean in your favor to your liking
Clubs thriving? In the time I've watched this space, I've seen plenty of clubs go out of business or have to merge with others. I guess you missed all that. Ignore market forces at your peril.
You're claiming normal market behavior as a feather in your argument cap?
Nothing you say will make your kid playing up a reality if they're not good enough to do so. Which they're obviously not or you wouldn't be politicking for same grade teams
If Aug birthdays aren't good enough for the correct grade A team welcome to the correct grade B team. Pretty simple
Except you would have to find a team willing to break their own rules to let a non star to play up if it exists. Or find a team to play on age
That makes no sense. The B team is players not good enough for the A team.
We'll be soon seeing a TON of B team players from Aug-Dec born join A teams. Bank on it!
Their B team skills gonna improve overnight?
Not the poster you are replying to, but yes they will improve RELATIVELY overnight when matched against the different age cohort. If you can't see this, I don't know what to tell you (yes the magnitude of course it depends on the specific age group)
Amen. True dat, elitists can't see the obvious.
So conversely Aug birthday players playing down will automatically get worse when playing with grade down cohorts.
Your confusing age with grades again. Grades aren't a thing in club soccer.
Last time I checked ECNL posts players graduation year on their profiles. I wonder why they would do that? Its almost like grade in scholl matters for something. What could it be?
It's so college coaches know when to expect them on campus.
So grade in school does matter and its because college recruiters use it to assess players.
Wouldn't want to be the one player playing down on a team with kids a grade below them. Easy way for recruiters to instant reject players.
Yes, because the recruiter sees the high quality of their current play, sees their strong potential for future play but decides not to recruit because of school grade
Here's the thing that's happening. These players wouldn't even be before the recruiter if they stay on grade on a B team, because the A team is just that good. And yet they have a chance with the A team on age OR it's a position issue. Sure, some coaches may not consider out of hand I guess, but on a lot of clubs the B teams don't get that kind of exposure period -- on the A teams. The A teams are the ones on the platform, get the travel to the big events. It's at least a foot in the door.
Another reason to group by grade as early as possible so correct grade B team players can move up to the correct grade A team when young.
Higher probability to play in college from playing on age than trying to play up when not ready and forced to merely because you went to school early. Highest probability to not play in college at all but will play longer if playing on age than playing up if not ready.
And this is why college coaches wont want aug birthdays playing down trojan horses.
Seriously, if you cant play with your grade how can you play against players 4 or more years older in college?
The truth is these players aren't Trojan Horses. They probably can play with their grade but can't at their club, because the team is stacked and they're a bit young. And maybe there are no other clubs within reasonable driving distance that are in those higher leagues. And that A team on age/national league is still plenty good enough.
What gets ignored is that playing on age but off grade could be a good way for a kid to get a good D3 school. Whereas playing up buries the kid as they don't get the right position or playing time needed to excel.
It also steals minutes from a player thats the correct grade who is good enough for a D3 school.
For a player to steal minutes, do they sneak on without the coach or club knowing?
Anonymous wrote:G2016 was speaking with another parent this weekend about the BY the SY change. He said its weird. I asked why he thinks its weird. He said my kid is an August birthday. I said wouldn't that make your kid the oldest on a SY team? My kid is a july birthday shes screwed. He said its weird that my daughter would be playing on a team with players that are a year behind her in school. I said if you think that it's weird just tell your club that you're not paying unless shes on a team with players her grade.
Interesting exchange you could tell he instinctively knew that playing down was an issue. But he couldnt figure out why. His oldest is being recruited for swimming right so Im sure he'll put the pieces together reguarding his youngest and playing on the correct grade team.
In summary, you finally met someone with an child with an August birthday but couldn't convince them that they should kick and scream to have their kid to play up because they are special, not based on skill but because they are special. And this person didn't buy it. That would check out
I'm the person that wrote this.
I was just trying to listen to see what they were thinking. I thought it was interesting to hear their perspective. I specifically thought it was interesting that they thought it was weird for their kid to play down on a team with younger grade in school players.
You seem to have issues.
Not believable. They didn't have a problem with their daughter playing on age, just thought it was a little odd, and then you told them to go to the club and demand that they allow the girl to play up an age group. That isn't just listening.
Maybe, but the word they used was "weird" not "a little odd" and I know this guy he's 100% into his older kid getting recruited to swim in college. He said weird because playing down a grade goes against everything he's researched for his older kid. I did tell him to tell the club if he wants his kid to play with their grade. He pays the bills. You dont have to be in a weird situation just because some coach wants a big kid on their g2016 team.
The travel club doesn't care about a kids grade
Only their age and skills
That is where you're wrong.
Parents foot the bill so its up to them to protect their Aug birthday kids from being exploited by clubs/coaches playing down for short term wins vs playing with their grade for long term development and college recruiting.
If I'm a coach, no parent can tell me to take their kid to play up on my team if they lack the quality just because of school grade
Yeah, some parents may get their moronic request to play up. Then the coach doesn't play the kid so the kid quits.
Only the dumb parents ask for their kid to play up if they aren't ready and it has nothing to do with grades.
Hahaha nobody ever since the beginning of time has ever had an issue with players asking to play with players their grade.
Nice try though.
Coaches and teams absolutely hold it against kids when parents ask for special treatment.
So special treatment is asking to play with kids in your grade?
You are insane.
No serious coach or club will entertain a request for a player to play up if that player doesn't have the quality to do so.
None
Every club will let a player play with kids their grade if they're an August birthday and a grade older.
No club is going to force a player to participate in a way that is against what they want to do.
Again, nice try though.
This is where rubber meets road. Kids will just quit if you force them into a situation they don't want. It's not worth the time OR money, especially if it means joining a new team after playing with the same people for years.
What is unfortunate is this transition is going to put people into situations that won't give them good choices. Older players who want to play up to stay on grade may have to see less playing time or drop to a lower team VS. joining a team with a bunch of people they really don't know/perhaps less experienced/skilled who might resent the playing time THEY take as a stronger player. I mean, maybe some good life lessons here BUT this is why, IMO, they should have phased in the switch with younger teams first and left the HS ages alone.
People talk like this is Kindergarten social groups play-dates
Tell your kid this is how the real world works and what they will face as adults
The cutoff has changed to 8/1 and this is your new age group.
Go to training and put in the work or be a quitter
Yep, and clubs will have to face the adult reality of fewer customers if they manage things poorly.
Your sense of entitlement has removed all objective logical reality from your mind
Imagine seriously thinking your kid should be on a MLS Next team because of their birth month and demand this of a club
What's out-of-whack is thinking every soccer parent thinks their kid is going to be a college star. Some parents just want a club they've played at for most of their lives to treat them fairly. Nothing more and if they don't, they'll struggle with their bottom line, because those kids and families will move on as they should.
Clubs have been making decisions forever that pains many entitled parents who think little Chad and Lizzy should get whatever they want because they pay the fees
The clubs are still thriving even after you left
By fairly, you mean in your favor to your liking
Clubs thriving? In the time I've watched this space, I've seen plenty of clubs go out of business or have to merge with others. I guess you missed all that. Ignore market forces at your peril.
You're claiming normal market behavior as a feather in your argument cap?
Nothing you say will make your kid playing up a reality if they're not good enough to do so. Which they're obviously not or you wouldn't be politicking for same grade teams
If Aug birthdays aren't good enough for the correct grade A team welcome to the correct grade B team. Pretty simple
Except you would have to find a team willing to break their own rules to let a non star to play up if it exists. Or find a team to play on age
That makes no sense. The B team is players not good enough for the A team.
We'll be soon seeing a TON of B team players from Aug-Dec born join A teams. Bank on it!
Their B team skills gonna improve overnight?
Not the poster you are replying to, but yes they will improve RELATIVELY overnight when matched against the different age cohort. If you can't see this, I don't know what to tell you (yes the magnitude of course it depends on the specific age group)
Amen. True dat, elitists can't see the obvious.
So conversely Aug birthday players playing down will automatically get worse when playing with grade down cohorts.
Your confusing age with grades again. Grades aren't a thing in club soccer.
Last time I checked ECNL posts players graduation year on their profiles. I wonder why they would do that? Its almost like grade in scholl matters for something. What could it be?
It's so college coaches know when to expect them on campus.
So grade in school does matter and its because college recruiters use it to assess players.
Wouldn't want to be the one player playing down on a team with kids a grade below them. Easy way for recruiters to instant reject players.
Yes, because the recruiter sees the high quality of their current play, sees their strong potential for future play but decides not to recruit because of school grade
Here's the thing that's happening. These players wouldn't even be before the recruiter if they stay on grade on a B team, because the A team is just that good. And yet they have a chance with the A team on age OR it's a position issue. Sure, some coaches may not consider out of hand I guess, but on a lot of clubs the B teams don't get that kind of exposure period -- on the A teams. The A teams are the ones on the platform, get the travel to the big events. It's at least a foot in the door.
Another reason to group by grade as early as possible so correct grade B team players can move up to the correct grade A team when young.
Higher probability to play in college from playing on age than trying to play up when not ready and forced to merely because you went to school early. Highest probability to not play in college at all but will play longer if playing on age than playing up if not ready.
And this is why college coaches wont want aug birthdays playing down trojan horses.
Seriously, if you cant play with your grade how can you play against players 4 or more years older in college?
The truth is these players aren't Trojan Horses. They probably can play with their grade but can't at their club, because the team is stacked and they're a bit young. And maybe there are no other clubs within reasonable driving distance that are in those higher leagues. And that A team on age/national league is still plenty good enough.
What gets ignored is that playing on age but off grade could be a good way for a kid to get a good D3 school. Whereas playing up buries the kid as they don't get the right position or playing time needed to excel.
It also steals minutes from a player thats the correct grade who is good enough for a D3 school.
Then your kid should get better. First step have her tell her dad to get off the message board and go kick a ball with her................
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