UHC CEO Gunned Down in Midtown Manhattan

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Anonymous wrote:The shooter waited 5 minutes in his location, not feasible on his own. Nobody gets that lucky.

Ding, Ding, Ding!!
DCUM can’t handle it may have been suicide by hired gunman, huh?

I saw two LE analysts, one FBI and one USMS, on TV this morning and they were both pretty adamant the shooter is not a professional.

Geee, shocking

I said that the very first time I saw the video. A trained shooter isn’t going to use an untested gun+suppressor combination. He was expecting that pistol to function, and it didn’t. Repeatedly. He had to cycle it by hand each time to get it to fire. So clearly he’d never practiced with that gun/suppressor even once, because had he, he would’ve learned then that it didn’t work. A professional killer wouldn’t take a chance like that. They would use something previously tested, with 100% reliability.



In other words, these LE analysts on TV are about as perceptive and knowledgeable as me, a guy who flies airplanes for living.

That gun has to be cycled after every shot, just like a standard shotgun. It's actually a cool gun, based off of a WW2 pistol. The design + screw on suppressor makes it quiet, relative to a normal pistol. I had no idea either until I searched for the gun on YouTube.

I'm interested in this. I deal with a lot of gun crimes as part of my job and I'm struggling to understand why anyone would choose this kind of gun? What's the advantage?
Why not get a 9mm Glock like every other criminal? It seems like it dramatically increases the chance of getting caught.

Quieter shot means fewer people notice quickly.

But you can put a silencer on a Glock.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:It’s clear to me that 90% of the people on here have no idea how corporate America works. That is what is shocking.

I’m not sure what you all do for a living if anything at all, but I highly encourage you to do a little background reading. Or watch Netflix (industry; billions; succession).

Really?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The shooter waited 5 minutes in his location, not feasible on his own. Nobody gets that lucky.

Ding, Ding, Ding!!
DCUM can’t handle it may have been suicide by hired gunman, huh?

I saw two LE analysts, one FBI and one USMS, on TV this morning and they were both pretty adamant the shooter is not a professional.

Geee, shocking

I said that the very first time I saw the video. A trained shooter isn’t going to use an untested gun+suppressor combination. He was expecting that pistol to function, and it didn’t. Repeatedly. He had to cycle it by hand each time to get it to fire. So clearly he’d never practiced with that gun/suppressor even once, because had he, he would’ve learned then that it didn’t work. A professional killer wouldn’t take a chance like that. They would use something previously tested, with 100% reliability.



In other words, these LE analysts on TV are about as perceptive and knowledgeable as me, a guy who flies airplanes for living.

That gun has to be cycled after every shot, just like a standard shotgun. It's actually a cool gun, based off of a WW2 pistol. The design + screw on suppressor makes it quiet, relative to a normal pistol. I had no idea either until I searched for the gun on YouTube.

I'm interested in this. I deal with a lot of gun crimes as part of my job and I'm struggling to understand why anyone would choose this kind of gun? What's the advantage?
Why not get a 9mm Glock like every other criminal? It seems like it dramatically increases the chance of getting caught.

They have the weapon, yes?
Can’t they identify its owner?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The shooter waited 5 minutes in his location, not feasible on his own. Nobody gets that lucky.

Ding, Ding, Ding!!
DCUM can’t handle it may have been suicide by hired gunman, huh?

I saw two LE analysts, one FBI and one USMS, on TV this morning and they were both pretty adamant the shooter is not a professional.

Geee, shocking

I said that the very first time I saw the video. A trained shooter isn’t going to use an untested gun+suppressor combination. He was expecting that pistol to function, and it didn’t. Repeatedly. He had to cycle it by hand each time to get it to fire. So clearly he’d never practiced with that gun/suppressor even once, because had he, he would’ve learned then that it didn’t work. A professional killer wouldn’t take a chance like that. They would use something previously tested, with 100% reliability.



In other words, these LE analysts on TV are about as perceptive and knowledgeable as me, a guy who flies airplanes for living.

Even an ignorant pilot who is misinformed about guns has a half chance of guessing correctly on an either-or question.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Seriously! how did this guy know Thompson would come out at 6:45 ish. I mean the meeting was at 8 AM.

Why would Thompson come out this early?

This definitely was someone from the inside organization.

So at what time did they call of the meeting?

It wasn’t canceled. It had already begun and they cut it off in the middle of the earnings call shortly after the shooting saying it was due to a medical situation.

I don’t know how many times people need to hear this. I’m not directing this to PP but to the many people who keep commenting how did he know where he was etc. etc. This was a regularly scheduled quarterly earnings report. The date the time all of it is known in advance and widely publicized across multiple news sites and countless apps There was nothing secret or special about this meeting. Anyone can go to the company website and sign up for example to be on the call. You don’t have to be a shareholder to access any of the information. It’s all completely public. Go to the earnings whisperer website or download the app QARTR for example and you will see all of the earnings calls scheduled for a given date.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The shooter waited 5 minutes in his location, not feasible on his own. Nobody gets that lucky.

Ding, Ding, Ding!!
DCUM can’t handle it may have been suicide by hired gunman, huh?

I saw two LE analysts, one FBI and one USMS, on TV this morning and they were both pretty adamant the shooter is not a professional.

Geee, shocking

I said that the very first time I saw the video. A trained shooter isn’t going to use an untested gun+suppressor combination. He was expecting that pistol to function, and it didn’t. Repeatedly. He had to cycle it by hand each time to get it to fire. So clearly he’d never practiced with that gun/suppressor even once, because had he, he would’ve learned then that it didn’t work. A professional killer wouldn’t take a chance like that. They would use something previously tested, with 100% reliability.



In other words, these LE analysts on TV are about as perceptive and knowledgeable as me, a guy who flies airplanes for living.

That gun has to be cycled after every shot, just like a standard shotgun. It's actually a cool gun, based off of a WW2 pistol. The design + screw on suppressor makes it quiet, relative to a normal pistol. I had no idea either until I searched for the gun on YouTube.

I'm interested in this. I deal with a lot of gun crimes as part of my job and I'm struggling to understand why anyone would choose this kind of gun? What's the advantage?
Why not get a 9mm Glock like every other criminal? It seems like it dramatically increases the chance of getting caught.

They have the weapon, yes?
Can’t they identify its owner?

This is harder and more time-consuming than you'd think. When you purchase a gun, you fill out a form, called an ATF 4473. That form doesn't get transmitted to the government; stays with the seller. ATF doesn't maintain a federal database of gun sales/purchases. If agents/police want to find the purchaser of a known gun, they have to cold call firearms stores/dealers and search their records. It's a terrible system and it is terrible on purpose.

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Anonymous wrote:We absolutely subsidize other countries healthcare.

European countries pay 1/4 or 1/3 for the same drugs. If we forced big pharma to charge us the same amount they charge to everyone else, Europe would have to pay more.

"The prices charged to Medicare for drugs sold here and in Europe would settle at a middle level, well below the current high prices charged to Medicare but significantly above European prices — an eminently fair outcome.

No longer would uber-wealthy Norway, for example, be able to demand a drastically low price, one at which drug manufacturers cannot make money in the United States. Norway would have to capitulate and pay a higher price, or go without the drug.

Some economists think Europeans would forego new drugs during the patent period and wait for generic versions to become available. However, what is likely to happen is that wealthy citizens of such nations would travel to the U.S. for treatment..."
https://thehill.com/opinion/healthcare/529049-america-is-subsidizing-europes-socialist-medicine-with-higher-drug-prices/

"The drug companies in turn would reduce their output, though not immediately. The reason is the structure of drug costs. The cost of developing and obtaining FDA approval of a new drug, all of which cost is incurred before the drug is sold, is a large percentage of total costs. Once the drug is on the market, the cost of actual production is very low. The sale price of the drug is dominated by the presale development costs. The effect of the government’s pushing down the sale price would therefore be to reduce the development of new drugs rather than the production of existing drugs."
https://www.becker-posner-blog.com/2009/12/should-the-government-use-its-monopsony-power-to-reduce-the-price-of-drugs-posner.html

Americans make more money than Europeans. They can afford it.

European do not allow high prices for drugs. America does. There is no one fighting for American patients.

drug cost is decided by the pharma industry - not a random health plan.

May I suggest you study this issue at a slightly deeper level? You might start by reading about PBMs.

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What time did they cut off the meeting?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:It’s clear to me that 90% of the people on here have no idea how corporate America works. That is what is shocking.

I’m not sure what you all do for a living if anything at all, but I highly encourage you to do a little background reading. Or watch Netflix (industry; billions; succession).

So much to unpack here. You can’t think of jobs in non-corporate America? You don’t understand why people are frustrated at insurance companies? You think only lazy, unemployed people are the ones venting? People like you are make it harder to empathize with the rich.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It’s clear to me that 90% of the people on here have no idea how corporate America works. That is what is shocking.

I’m not sure what you all do for a living if anything at all, but I highly encourage you to do a little background reading. Or watch Netflix (industry; billions; succession).

Really?

Yes really. Did you have a question?

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Anonymous wrote:Seriously! how did this guy know Thompson would come out at 6:45 ish. I mean the meeting was at 8 AM.

Why would Thompson come out this early?

This definitely was someone from the inside organization.

So at what time did they call of the meeting?

It wasn’t canceled. It had already begun and they cut it off in the middle of the earnings call shortly after the shooting saying it was due to a medical situation.

I don’t know how many times people need to hear this. I’m not directing this to PP but to the many people who keep commenting how did he know where he was etc. etc. This was a regularly scheduled quarterly earnings report. The date the time all of it is known in advance and widely publicized across multiple news sites and countless apps There was nothing secret or special about this meeting. Anyone can go to the company website and sign up for example to be on the call. You don’t have to be a shareholder to access any of the information. It’s all completely public. Go to the earnings whisperer website or download the app QARTR for example and you will see all of the earnings calls scheduled for a given date.

How did he know then that he was in another hotel and walking to the meeting? Meeting started at 8 AM. He was ready by 6;40 ... How did he know he was not in that hotel itself... Something is fishy.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:What time did they cut off the meeting?

For 16:24

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I’m amazed at the number of people who think health insurance is the main problem, as if the hospitals just honest businessmen submitting bills for their services and the docs as well. The whole system is a sh&t show. Cardiologist in the US make like a half a million, in the Uk it’s like £150K.

People should be mad at their legislators for allowing it to get this way. This is not to say that insurers don’t have their problems but they are but one cog in the wheel of grift and dysfunction.

How much does it cost the cardiologist to become a cardiologist in the US as compared to the UK? I would imagine cardiologists here owe a ton of money in loans.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Seriously! how did this guy know Thompson would come out at 6:45 ish. I mean the meeting was at 8 AM.

Why would Thompson come out this early?

This definitely was someone from the inside organization.

So at what time did they call of the meeting?

It wasn’t canceled. It had already begun and they cut it off in the middle of the earnings call shortly after the shooting saying it was due to a medical situation.

I don’t know how many times people need to hear this. I’m not directing this to PP but to the many people who keep commenting how did he know where he was etc. etc. This was a regularly scheduled quarterly earnings report. The date the time all of it is known in advance and widely publicized across multiple news sites and countless apps There was nothing secret or special about this meeting. Anyone can go to the company website and sign up for example to be on the call. You don’t have to be a shareholder to access any of the information. It’s all completely public. Go to the earnings whisperer website or download the app QARTR for example and you will see all of the earnings calls scheduled for a given date.

How did he know then that he was in another hotel and walking to the meeting? Meeting started at 8 AM. He was ready by 6;40 ... How did he know he was not in that hotel itself... Something is fishy.

i would investigate Thompson's admin..

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Seriously! how did this guy know Thompson would come out at 6:45 ish. I mean the meeting was at 8 AM.

Why would Thompson come out this early?

This definitely was someone from the inside organization.

So at what time did they call of the meeting?

It wasn’t canceled. It had already begun and they cut it off in the middle of the earnings call shortly after the shooting saying it was due to a medical situation.

I don’t know how many times people need to hear this. I’m not directing this to PP but to the many people who keep commenting how did he know where he was etc. etc. This was a regularly scheduled quarterly earnings report. The date the time all of it is known in advance and widely publicized across multiple news sites and countless apps There was nothing secret or special about this meeting. Anyone can go to the company website and sign up for example to be on the call. You don’t have to be a shareholder to access any of the information. It’s all completely public. Go to the earnings whisperer website or download the app QARTR for example and you will see all of the earnings calls scheduled for a given date.

How did he know then that he was in another hotel and walking to the meeting? Meeting started at 8 AM. He was ready by 6;40 ... How did he know he was not in that hotel itself... Something is fishy.

It hit the wire quickly. Reyer’s picked it up. Hilton security was out there fast.