ECNL moving to school year not calendar

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:This thread is wild. If your kid is good enough you will know it and people will be interested. If not, why do you even care about this? You are worried the change might drop your kid from ECNL to RL with the same end result...they aren't getting recruited? Or maybe they can use the new change to move up to the ECNL team and then still not be recruited.

I know we are all looking for advantages in life, but it becomes pretty obvious who the top players are. They are often playing up already.

Don't fall into the trap of thinking youth soccer's main and only goal is to churn out the top 1 percent of players or it's only goal is to get kids college scholarships. Or even that playing in college is every kids goal. 'Cause it isn't.

Then what is your goal and how does it have anything to do with BY and SY? I'm asking if you aren't trying to be at the top then why do you care about this?

All the complaints about BY, other than recruiting, affect kids' experiences. Most kids in travel realize they will not be playing in college, but still want to be their best, play through high school, and have the most fun possible doing so.

The cynical a-hole opinion of the top 1% on here is that if your kid isn't good enough to play college your opinion shouldn't matter. The cynical a-hole opinion of the bottom 99% is that if you need to maintain your RAE advantage just for the privilege of spending $100k on club soccer and getting 20% tuition for a marketing degree at Southwestern Montana Tech, your prize isn't worth sacrificing anyone else's experience.

You can never please everyone no matter when they do the cutoff. Do you know why? Because there will always be a very large portion of parents who think their kids are much better than they really are and will find excuses as to why they aren't making it (whatever that bar is for you). Youth soccer and this thread is filled with delusional parents with kids (who don't work hard enough) wanting something for nothing.

Bitter coach? No matter what field you can start to hate the customers, I sympathize.

If it's a coach, he or she isn't lying

[Anonymous]

So here are things at play now.

If this doesn’t go through, ECNL begins to look weak and don’t have the pull they thought they did.

GAL/US Soccer will not easily hand them all the cards.

My bet is boys stay BY and girls go SY.
Not sure what problems that will cause but makes sense.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:So here are things at play now.

If this doesn’t go through, ECNL begins to look weak and don’t have the pull they thought they did.

GAL/US Soccer will not easily hand them all the cards.

My bet is boys stay BY and girls go SY.
Not sure what problems that will cause but makes sense.

I think you’re caught up in the fumes of this thread. If it doesn’t change, life will go on and…nothing will change. ECNL isn’t suddenly going to “look weak” when compared to the federation….its definitional.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This thread is wild. If your kid is good enough you will know it and people will be interested. If not, why do you even care about this? You are worried the change might drop your kid from ECNL to RL with the same end result...they aren't getting recruited? Or maybe they can use the new change to move up to the ECNL team and then still not be recruited.

I know we are all looking for advantages in life, but it becomes pretty obvious who the top players are. They are often playing up already.

Don't fall into the trap of thinking youth soccer's main and only goal is to churn out the top 1 percent of players or it's only goal is to get kids college scholarships. Or even that playing in college is every kids goal. 'Cause it isn't.

Then what is your goal and how does it have anything to do with BY and SY? I'm asking if you aren't trying to be at the top then why do you care about this?

All the complaints about BY, other than recruiting, affect kids' experiences. Most kids in travel realize they will not be playing in college, but still want to be their best, play through high school, and have the most fun possible doing so.

The cynical a-hole opinion of the top 1% on here is that if your kid isn't good enough to play college your opinion shouldn't matter. The cynical a-hole opinion of the bottom 99% is that if you need to maintain your RAE advantage just for the privilege of spending $100k on club soccer and getting 20% tuition for a marketing degree at Southwestern Montana Tech, your prize isn't worth sacrificing anyone else's experience.

You can never please everyone no matter when they do the cutoff. Do you know why? Because there will always be a very large portion of parents who think their kids are much better than they really are and will find excuses as to why they aren't making it (whatever that bar is for you). Youth soccer and this thread is filled with delusional parents with kids (who don't work hard enough) wanting something for nothing.

Bitter coach? No matter what field you can start to hate the customers, I sympathize.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This thread is wild. If your kid is good enough you will know it and people will be interested. If not, why do you even care about this? You are worried the change might drop your kid from ECNL to RL with the same end result...they aren't getting recruited? Or maybe they can use the new change to move up to the ECNL team and then still not be recruited.

I know we are all looking for advantages in life, but it becomes pretty obvious who the top players are. They are often playing up already.

Don't fall into the trap of thinking youth soccer's main and only goal is to churn out the top 1 percent of players or it's only goal is to get kids college scholarships. Or even that playing in college is every kids goal. 'Cause it isn't.

Then what is your goal and how does it have anything to do with BY and SY? I'm asking if you aren't trying to be at the top then why do you care about this?

All the complaints about BY, other than recruiting, affect kids' experiences. Most kids in travel realize they will not be playing in college, but still want to be their best, play through high school, and have the most fun possible doing so.

The cynical a-hole opinion of the top 1% on here is that if your kid isn't good enough to play college your opinion shouldn't matter. The cynical a-hole opinion of the bottom 99% is that if you need to maintain your RAE advantage just for the privilege of spending $100k on club soccer and getting 20% tuition for a marketing degree at Southwestern Montana Tech, your prize isn't worth sacrificing anyone else's experience.

You can never please everyone no matter when they do the cutoff. Do you know why? Because there will always be a very large portion of parents who think their kids are much better than they really are and will find excuses as to why they aren't making it (whatever that bar is for you). Youth soccer and this thread is filled with delusional parents with kids (who don't work hard enough) wanting something for nothing.

Bitter coach? No matter what field you can start to hate the customers, I sympathize.

Not a coach, but a parent with a top player. He's playing up a year and doing very well. He dominates his teammates in practice, works hours each day outside of practice on his own (practice before practice), and is obsessed with the sport. It is pretty much his life. He eats well and goes to bed at 9 pm every night.

But yet there have been countless parents over his playing time that have thought it was unfair how much attention and playing time he gets. He's earned it the only way you can at the top level. They probably think its RAE not knowing he's a Q4 baby. Their kids don't work nearly as hard because they are apparently too busy or in multiple sports. At one point I was accused of being friends with the coach and influencing his selections. These people will look at anything other than their dear baby as the problem. I'm just so sick of whining parents who aren't getting their kids to take responsibility for their own results.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:So here are things at play now.

If this doesn’t go through, ECNL begins to look weak and don’t have the pull they thought they did.

GAL/US Soccer will not easily hand them all the cards.

My bet is boys stay BY and girls go SY.
Not sure what problems that will cause but makes sense.

The whole reason they are trying to get the majority of clubs and federations is because club operators don’t want to manage separate system. So having separate gender systems would be too confusing.

If US Club gets the thumbs up it will be for everyone who wants to goto SY.

Does MlS next just stay birth year and do its own thing? We will find out. Although mls next does send the majority of boys to college that’s not what the platform is for.

ECNL is college MLS next is Pro.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This thread is wild. If your kid is good enough you will know it and people will be interested. If not, why do you even care about this? You are worried the change might drop your kid from ECNL to RL with the same end result...they aren't getting recruited? Or maybe they can use the new change to move up to the ECNL team and then still not be recruited.

I know we are all looking for advantages in life, but it becomes pretty obvious who the top players are. They are often playing up already.

Don't fall into the trap of thinking youth soccer's main and only goal is to churn out the top 1 percent of players or it's only goal is to get kids college scholarships. Or even that playing in college is every kids goal. 'Cause it isn't.

Then what is your goal and how does it have anything to do with BY and SY? I'm asking if you aren't trying to be at the top then why do you care about this?

All the complaints about BY, other than recruiting, affect kids' experiences. Most kids in travel realize they will not be playing in college, but still want to be their best, play through high school, and have the most fun possible doing so.

The cynical a-hole opinion of the top 1% on here is that if your kid isn't good enough to play college your opinion shouldn't matter. The cynical a-hole opinion of the bottom 99% is that if you need to maintain your RAE advantage just for the privilege of spending $100k on club soccer and getting 20% tuition for a marketing degree at Southwestern Montana Tech, your prize isn't worth sacrificing anyone else's experience.

You can never please everyone no matter when they do the cutoff. Do you know why? Because there will always be a very large portion of parents who think their kids are much better than they really are and will find excuses as to why they aren't making it (whatever that bar is for you). Youth soccer and this thread is filled with delusional parents with kids (who don't work hard enough) wanting something for nothing.

Bitter coach? No matter what field you can start to hate the customers, I sympathize.

Not a coach, but a parent with a top player. He's playing up a year and doing very well. He dominates his teammates in practice, works hours each day outside of practice on his own (practice before practice), and is obsessed with the sport. It is pretty much his life. He eats well and goes to bed at 9 pm every night.

But yet there have been countless parents over his playing time that have thought it was unfair how much attention and playing time he gets. He's earned it the only way you can at the top level. They probably think its RAE not knowing he's a Q4 baby. Their kids don't work nearly as hard because they are apparently too busy or in multiple sports. At one point I was accused of being friends with the coach and influencing his selections. These people will look at anything other than their dear baby as the problem. I'm just so sick of whining parents who aren't getting their kids to take responsibility for their own results.

100% same experience here. Parent of one of the top girls in the country for her age group. So much drama and jealousy of her success, playing up, playing with boys, etc…we’re not a family that works the back channels or plays politics, I hardly ask for anything at any of the teams she plays on, she does her talking on the field.

There is no secrecy, no politics, no magic trainer, no magical birthday, not curated genetics, and not a famous name, behind her success, it’s just dedication to the hard work that shows up in the margins and incrementally accrues, and sacrifices (so many) for her long term goals.

People really don’t realize how hard it is to be the best, and they won’t sacrifice what is necessary for it or the meltdowns in private when she doesn’t achieve what she was working so hard for, nor the next day when she is back at it trying hard than ever. So here we are, complaining about birthdays…and how life is unfair.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:So here are things at play now.

If this doesn’t go through, ECNL begins to look weak and don’t have the pull they thought they did.

GAL/US Soccer will not easily hand them all the cards.

My bet is boys stay BY and girls go SY.
Not sure what problems that will cause but makes sense.

The whole reason they are trying to get the majority of clubs and federations is because club operators don’t want to manage separate system. So having separate gender systems would be too confusing.

If US Club gets the thumbs up it will be for everyone who wants to goto SY.

Does MlS next just stay birth year and do its own thing? We will find out. Although mls next does send the majority of boys to college that’s not what the platform is for.

ECNL is college MLS next is Pro.

Don’t be surprised to see some boys teams leave mls next for ECNL if that means their girls teams can join as well.

Beware of the back door deals.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:So here are things at play now.

If this doesn’t go through, ECNL begins to look weak and don’t have the pull they thought they did.

GAL/US Soccer will not easily hand them all the cards.

My bet is boys stay BY and girls go SY.
Not sure what problems that will cause but makes sense.

The whole reason they are trying to get the majority of clubs and federations is because club operators don’t want to manage separate system. So having separate gender systems would be too confusing.

If US Club gets the thumbs up it will be for everyone who wants to goto SY.

Does MlS next just stay birth year and do its own thing? We will find out. Although mls next does send the majority of boys to college that’s not what the platform is for.

ECNL is college MLS next is Pro.

Maybe you need to start looking at these men's college rosters
MLS Next has lopsided representation in big programs

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:So here are things at play now.

If this doesn’t go through, ECNL begins to look weak and don’t have the pull they thought they did.

GAL/US Soccer will not easily hand them all the cards.

My bet is boys stay BY and girls go SY.
Not sure what problems that will cause but makes sense.

The whole reason they are trying to get the majority of clubs and federations is because club operators don’t want to manage separate system. So having separate gender systems would be too confusing.

If US Club gets the thumbs up it will be for everyone who wants to goto SY.

Does MlS next just stay birth year and do its own thing? We will find out. Although mls next does send the majority of boys to college that’s not what the platform is for.

ECNL is college MLS next is Pro.

Don’t be surprised to see some boys teams leave mls next for ECNL if that means their girls teams can join as well.

Beware of the back door deals.

Hahahahahahahaa....
This may be the dumbest thing posted thus far

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:So here are things at play now.

If this doesn’t go through, ECNL begins to look weak and don’t have the pull they thought they did.

GAL/US Soccer will not easily hand them all the cards.

My bet is boys stay BY and girls go SY.
Not sure what problems that will cause but makes sense.

The whole reason they are trying to get the majority of clubs and federations is because club operators don’t want to manage separate system. So having separate gender systems would be too confusing.

If US Club gets the thumbs up it will be for everyone who wants to goto SY.

Does MlS next just stay birth year and do its own thing? We will find out. Although mls next does send the majority of boys to college that’s not what the platform is for.

ECNL is college MLS next is Pro.

Don’t be surprised to see some boys teams leave mls next for ECNL if that means their girls teams can join as well.

Beware of the back door deals.

Doubt it. Boys mls next brings in $$$$$

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:So here are things at play now.

If this doesn’t go through, ECNL begins to look weak and don’t have the pull they thought they did.

GAL/US Soccer will not easily hand them all the cards.

My bet is boys stay BY and girls go SY.
Not sure what problems that will cause but makes sense.

The whole reason they are trying to get the majority of clubs and federations is because club operators don’t want to manage separate system. So having separate gender systems would be too confusing.

If US Club gets the thumbs up it will be for everyone who wants to goto SY.

Does MlS next just stay birth year and do its own thing? We will find out. Although mls next does send the majority of boys to college that’s not what the platform is for.

ECNL is college MLS next is Pro.

Don’t be surprised to see some boys teams leave mls next for ECNL if that means their girls teams can join as well.

Beware of the back door deals.

Hahahahahahahaa....
This may be the dumbest thing posted thus far

Did he really just go there!!????
Hahahahahahahahhaah

MLS NEXT > ECNL????

I could see clubs with ECNL boys and GA girls make the full transition to ECNL though

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This thread is wild. If your kid is good enough you will know it and people will be interested. If not, why do you even care about this? You are worried the change might drop your kid from ECNL to RL with the same end result...they aren't getting recruited? Or maybe they can use the new change to move up to the ECNL team and then still not be recruited.

I know we are all looking for advantages in life, but it becomes pretty obvious who the top players are. They are often playing up already.

Don't fall into the trap of thinking youth soccer's main and only goal is to churn out the top 1 percent of players or it's only goal is to get kids college scholarships. Or even that playing in college is every kids goal. 'Cause it isn't.

Then what is your goal and how does it have anything to do with BY and SY? I'm asking if you aren't trying to be at the top then why do you care about this?

All the complaints about BY, other than recruiting, affect kids' experiences. Most kids in travel realize they will not be playing in college, but still want to be their best, play through high school, and have the most fun possible doing so.

The cynical a-hole opinion of the top 1% on here is that if your kid isn't good enough to play college your opinion shouldn't matter. The cynical a-hole opinion of the bottom 99% is that if you need to maintain your RAE advantage just for the privilege of spending $100k on club soccer and getting 20% tuition for a marketing degree at Southwestern Montana Tech, your prize isn't worth sacrificing anyone else's experience.

You can never please everyone no matter when they do the cutoff. Do you know why? Because there will always be a very large portion of parents who think their kids are much better than they really are and will find excuses as to why they aren't making it (whatever that bar is for you). Youth soccer and this thread is filled with delusional parents with kids (who don't work hard enough) wanting something for nothing.

Bitter coach? No matter what field you can start to hate the customers, I sympathize.

Not a coach, but a parent with a top player. He's playing up a year and doing very well. He dominates his teammates in practice, works hours each day outside of practice on his own (practice before practice), and is obsessed with the sport. It is pretty much his life. He eats well and goes to bed at 9 pm every night.

But yet there have been countless parents over his playing time that have thought it was unfair how much attention and playing time he gets. He's earned it the only way you can at the top level. They probably think its RAE not knowing he's a Q4 baby. Their kids don't work nearly as hard because they are apparently too busy or in multiple sports. At one point I was accused of being friends with the coach and influencing his selections. These people will look at anything other than their dear baby as the problem. I'm just so sick of whining parents who aren't getting their kids to take responsibility for their own results.

100% same experience here. Parent of one of the top girls in the country for her age group. So much drama and jealousy of her success, playing up, playing with boys, etc…we’re not a family that works the back channels or plays politics, I hardly ask for anything at any of the teams she plays on, she does her talking on the field.

There is no secrecy, no politics, no magic trainer, no magical birthday, not curated genetics, and not a famous name, behind her success, it’s just dedication to the hard work that shows up in the margins and incrementally accrues, and sacrifices (so many) for her long term goals.

People really don’t realize how hard it is to be the best, and they won’t sacrifice what is necessary for it or the meltdowns in private when she doesn’t achieve what she was working so hard for, nor the next day when she is back at it trying hard than ever. So here we are, complaining about birthdays…and how life is unfair.

I have to agree.

Why are youth clubs that cultivate talent catering to college recruiters?

College coaches need to win to justify their paychecks. If they choose to overlook trapped players that's their loss. Other coaches won't and over time they'll win.

Parents seem to think recruiters walk around at events shopping for players randomly. This is not how it works. They're at events looking at a short list of players that were either recommended to them or players that have reached out and look interesting. Either way trapped player or not a trapped player coaches will find the best options for their team.

This entire conversation was started by the idiots in "ECNL" hats that have no clue how sports and recruiting actually works. Unfortunaly clubs are serving up the koolaid to paying customers and many of those drinking it are drunk.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:So here are things at play now.

If this doesn’t go through, ECNL begins to look weak and don’t have the pull they thought they did.

GAL/US Soccer will not easily hand them all the cards.

My bet is boys stay BY and girls go SY.
Not sure what problems that will cause but makes sense.

I think you’re caught up in the fumes of this thread. If it doesn’t change, life will go on and…nothing will change. ECNL isn’t suddenly going to “look weak” when compared to the federation….its definitional.

They will most definitely look weak and powerless.

[Anonymous]

Which one of you DCUMERS can give a list of clubs with:

GA/MLS NEXT
ECNL/MLS NEXT
GA/ECNL