Wizards and Caps could be moving to Potomac Yard

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Anonymous wrote:lol that Alexandria is a bedroom community. It’s older than dc by a century, and classier by a mile

Agree but classier than DC by a mile is a minimal standard.

People not looking at Alexandria correctly. A lot going on there. They will pull this off I think unless DC comes in with something blockbuster. I thought at first this was a ploy to get DC to put up more. Now I think this will happen.

The teams do not need DC. They can fill from NoVa and people coming by Metro.

First mistake here is the belief that the move benefits NoVa. It does not. The drive or Metro ride from much of Fairfax Cty to Capital One Arena is easier than to Potomac Yards. And it will be even worse for those farther out. Second mistake here is the belief that those who live in MD suburbs will continue to attend games or hold season tickets. The drive or Metro ride to PY becomes significantly longer. But, perhaps, the lost from MD and rest of NoVa will be offset by Alexandria residents.

All those MD suburbs fans who used to go to US Air arena when it was in a MD suburb? Those fans are long gone.

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Anonymous wrote:I haven’t seen it mentioned yet in this 98-page thread, but another consideration for this project is the proposed expansion of the blue line, which is currently WMATA’s top-ranked for future metro expansion.

This option would build a new tunnel under the Potomac and separate the Blue Line under M Street between Georgetown and Union Station.

It would also create a dozen new stations including a second Rosslyn station, Georgetown, West End, another Farragut station, two unnamed stations between Farragut and Union Station, Buzzard Point, St. Elizabeth’s, Bolling AFB, Forest Heights, Oxen Hill and National Harbor. It would also increase the number of transit options available near Audi Field and other development in that part of the city.

New [Blue line] transfer points include Rosslyn, Farragut, Mt Vernon Square, Union Station, Capitol South, and Navy Yard.

Sources:
https://dcist.com/story/23/07/10/will-metro-expand-more/
https://www.axios.com/local/washington-dc/2023/09/26/dc-metro-expansion-georgetown
https://www.wmata.com/initiatives/plans/BOS-Capacity-Reliability-Study/BOS-Concepts.cfm

No tunnel will ever built dug under the Potomac. Ever.

https://ggwash.org/view/90878/dont-take-tunneling-for-granite-building-metro-under-georgetown

As alluded to in the article above, it’s probable that the proposed metro line from Rosslyn to Georgetown would be built on a bridge crossing the Potomac. The Georgetown station would likely be located either just over Key Bridge at the location where there is presently a liquor store and parking lot, or at the location presently occupied by PNC Bank (M and Wisconsin).

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Anonymous wrote:NHL is not making any money. The NBA is pretty bad too. Both have weak tv deals and weak tv ratings. There are many really cheap NHL franchises that Baltimore could surely steal with a new arena at middle branch but NHL just might not be worth it.

Then DC should be glad to get rid of the Caps and Wizards. It could do something more lucrative with the arena like mixed-use development.

It is time for DC to get out of the subsidizing Ted business. Let Nova tax payers do that to the tune of $3.5 billion.

I have never seen a vibrant neighborhood around a spot complex. On games night it’s a lot of people pre and post gaming(getting drunk) and on the non game nights it is an empty waste land. The restaurants and bars depended on the the game nights are low quality places and do not draw people to the area.

For the life of me why would Alexandria want to tie up this much land and money with Amazon supposedly driving growth in the area. Maybe it would make sense out in Loudon country, Fredericksburg or Richmond but not Alexandria. You will just end up with what you have now in DC.

What is Alexandria besides a bedroom community (run-down at that) for the District and a bunch of offices for people who support the real work being done across the river? There’s no way they can pull this off and would be better off knowing their limits and not embarrassing themselves.

If this is true, explain why townhouses in Potomac Yard sell for over $1m and SFH in Del Ray regularly go for over $1.3m.

People in DC still haven't caught on that DC is in decline and things are moving elsewhere. Eventually they will tire of fighting off 3 muggers on their way to meet their fashionable friends at another DC chain restaurant and will make the arduous journey down the yellow line.

+1. This is correct. The absolute disdain that many in DC have for the “burbs” created a huge blind spot for the mayor. She never saw this coming. The energy has shifted away from DC and they still haven’t realized it.

She did see this coming.

But she doesn't have 70 acres and 2 billion dollars to throw at Monumental. Virginia doesn't either, which is why the taxpayers will be on the hook for bonds that have almost no way of obligation surety.

Riiiight. She saw it coming so she made her best and final offer AFTER they set up the party tent in Alexandria. If she saw it coming she would have cancelled her boondoggle trip to the Middle East and instead been on Ted’s doorstep.

It wouldn't have mattered because Virginia has land to offer, DC doesn't, at least not at the moment. It could once RFK, Poplar Point and FBI are turned over, so until then, DC doesn't have close to the same deal Ted's old friend Glenn could offer. The question is, will VA taxpayers be willing to accept the risk?

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Anonymous wrote:lol that Alexandria is a bedroom community. It’s older than dc by a century, and classier by a mile

Agree but classier than DC by a mile is a minimal standard.

People not looking at Alexandria correctly. A lot going on there. They will pull this off I think unless DC comes in with something blockbuster. I thought at first this was a ploy to get DC to put up more. Now I think this will happen.

The teams do not need DC. They can fill from NoVa and people coming by Metro.

LOL, so you think people will ride in on the Silver and Orange lines, transfer and then squeeze through the one escalator at Potomac Yards and then after the game, sit in the crush to get back on to the metro that is only fed by one track?


Someone is going to have to spend about $350M to get that station up to a pro stadium standard and even then, unlike Gallery Place and Metro Center that has the whole system within a block, this station is at the far end of two lines and cannot have any track expansion.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:lol that Alexandria is a bedroom community. It’s older than dc by a century, and classier by a mile

Agree but classier than DC by a mile is a minimal standard.

People not looking at Alexandria correctly. A lot going on there. They will pull this off I think unless DC comes in with something blockbuster. I thought at first this was a ploy to get DC to put up more. Now I think this will happen.

The teams do not need DC. They can fill from NoVa and people coming by Metro.

First mistake here is the belief that the move benefits NoVa. It does not. The drive or Metro ride from much of Fairfax Cty to Capital One Arena is easier than to Potomac Yards. And it will be even worse for those farther out. Second mistake here is the belief that those who live in MD suburbs will continue to attend games or hold season tickets. The drive or Metro ride to PY becomes significantly longer. But, perhaps, the lost from MD and rest of NoVa will be offset by Alexandria residents.

There aren't enough people in Alexandria/DelRay to sustain two pro teams. They will need regional attendance to be viable, but since Alexandria residents will be on the hook for any shortcomings in concession and ticket revenue to hold the bonds, I guess they can both attend the games AND pay for the debt obligation.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:lol that Alexandria is a bedroom community. It’s older than dc by a century, and classier by a mile

Agree but classier than DC by a mile is a minimal standard.

People not looking at Alexandria correctly. A lot going on there. They will pull this off I think unless DC comes in with something blockbuster. I thought at first this was a ploy to get DC to put up more. Now I think this will happen.

The teams do not need DC. They can fill from NoVa and people coming by Metro.

First mistake here is the belief that the move benefits NoVa. It does not. The drive or Metro ride from much of Fairfax Cty to Capital One Arena is easier than to Potomac Yards. And it will be even worse for those farther out. Second mistake here is the belief that those who live in MD suburbs will continue to attend games or hold season tickets. The drive or Metro ride to PY becomes significantly longer. But, perhaps, the lost from MD and rest of NoVa will be offset by Alexandria residents.

All those MD suburbs fans who used to go to US Air arena when it was in a MD suburb? Those fans are long gone.

No only that but back then you could still drive to the arena from Montgomery County or DC in about 25 minutes. There is no way you could do that during rush hour now.

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Anonymous wrote:NHL is not making any money. The NBA is pretty bad too. Both have weak tv deals and weak tv ratings. There are many really cheap NHL franchises that Baltimore could surely steal with a new arena at middle branch but NHL just might not be worth it.

Then DC should be glad to get rid of the Caps and Wizards. It could do something more lucrative with the arena like mixed-use development.

It is time for DC to get out of the subsidizing Ted business. Let Nova tax payers do that to the tune of $3.5 billion.

I have never seen a vibrant neighborhood around a spot complex. On games night it’s a lot of people pre and post gaming(getting drunk) and on the non game nights it is an empty waste land. The restaurants and bars depended on the the game nights are low quality places and do not draw people to the area.

For the life of me why would Alexandria want to tie up this much land and money with Amazon supposedly driving growth in the area. Maybe it would make sense out in Loudon country, Fredericksburg or Richmond but not Alexandria. You will just end up with what you have now in DC.

What is Alexandria besides a bedroom community (run-down at that) for the District and a bunch of offices for people who support the real work being done across the river? There’s no way they can pull this off and would be better off knowing their limits and not embarrassing themselves.

If this is true, explain why townhouses in Potomac Yard sell for over $1m and SFH in Del Ray regularly go for over $1.3m.

People in DC still haven't caught on that DC is in decline and things are moving elsewhere. Eventually they will tire of fighting off 3 muggers on their way to meet their fashionable friends at another DC chain restaurant and will make the arduous journey down the yellow line.

+1. This is correct. The absolute disdain that many in DC have for the “burbs” created a huge blind spot for the mayor. She never saw this coming. The energy has shifted away from DC and they still haven’t realized it.

She did see this coming.

But she doesn't have 70 acres and 2 billion dollars to throw at Monumental. Virginia doesn't either, which is why the taxpayers will be on the hook for bonds that have almost no way of obligation surety.

Riiiight. She saw it coming so she made her best and final offer AFTER they set up the party tent in Alexandria. If she saw it coming she would have cancelled her boondoggle trip to the Middle East and instead been on Ted’s doorstep.

It wouldn't have mattered because Virginia has land to offer, DC doesn't, at least not at the moment. It could once RFK, Poplar Point and FBI are turned over, so until then, DC doesn't have close to the same deal Ted's old friend Glenn could offer. The question is, will VA taxpayers be willing to accept the risk?

It wouldn’t have mattered because we had a glorified ANC Commissioner negotiating against a private equity CEO. One way or another, VA was going to drink our milkshake. Let’s hope she doesn’t screw up negotiations with the Nats.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:lol that Alexandria is a bedroom community. It’s older than dc by a century, and classier by a mile

Agree but classier than DC by a mile is a minimal standard.

People not looking at Alexandria correctly. A lot going on there. They will pull this off I think unless DC comes in with something blockbuster. I thought at first this was a ploy to get DC to put up more. Now I think this will happen.

The teams do not need DC. They can fill from NoVa and people coming by Metro.

First mistake here is the belief that the move benefits NoVa. It does not. The drive or Metro ride from much of Fairfax Cty to Capital One Arena is easier than to Potomac Yards. And it will be even worse for those farther out. Second mistake here is the belief that those who live in MD suburbs will continue to attend games or hold season tickets. The drive or Metro ride to PY becomes significantly longer. But, perhaps, the lost from MD and rest of NoVa will be offset by Alexandria residents.

All those MD suburbs fans who used to go to US Air arena when it was in a MD suburb? Those fans are long gone.

No only that but back then you could still drive to the arena from Montgomery County or DC in about 25 minutes. There is no way you could do that during rush hour now.

Youth hockey is booming in the Maryland burbs. MoCo Youth Hockey is the largest on the East Coast. And that does not include multiple other hockey programs in the Maryland burbs. And, yes, those families attend Caps games. As for traffic, the drive from the Maryland burbs to Capital One Arena is against rush hour traffic, and there are multiple routes to Capital One Arena, from NY Avenue, to North Capital, to 16th St, to Connecticut Ave, to Mass Ave, etc. [I note there is one road in and out of Potomac Yards.]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:lol that Alexandria is a bedroom community. It’s older than dc by a century, and classier by a mile

Agree but classier than DC by a mile is a minimal standard.

People not looking at Alexandria correctly. A lot going on there. They will pull this off I think unless DC comes in with something blockbuster. I thought at first this was a ploy to get DC to put up more. Now I think this will happen.

The teams do not need DC. They can fill from NoVa and people coming by Metro.

First mistake here is the belief that the move benefits NoVa. It does not. The drive or Metro ride from much of Fairfax Cty to Capital One Arena is easier than to Potomac Yards. And it will be even worse for those farther out. Second mistake here is the belief that those who live in MD suburbs will continue to attend games or hold season tickets. The drive or Metro ride to PY becomes significantly longer. But, perhaps, the lost from MD and rest of NoVa will be offset by Alexandria residents.

All those MD suburbs fans who used to go to US Air arena when it was in a MD suburb? Those fans are long gone.

No only that but back then you could still drive to the arena from Montgomery County or DC in about 25 minutes. There is no way you could do that during rush hour now.

Youth hockey is booming in the Maryland burbs. MoCo Youth Hockey is the largest on the East Coast. And that does not include multiple other hockey programs in the Maryland burbs. And, yes, those families attend Caps games. As for traffic, the drive from the Maryland burbs to Capital One Arena is against rush hour traffic, and there are multiple routes to Capital One Arena, from NY Avenue, to North Capital, to 16th St, to Connecticut Ave, to Mass Ave, etc. [I note there is one road in and out of Potomac Yards.]

and that one road is already bumper to bumper most evenings during rush hour

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Anonymous wrote:The flood risks are overstated. The airport Senators and Congressmen is literalyt next door.

The flood risk is not overstated. Alexandria has a huge flooding problem, especially in the Del Ray area. The system is already overstressed and old. It's well known that the city wasn't even clearing storm drains until they were exposed by citizens and jounalists in the last few years.

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Anonymous wrote:lol that Alexandria is a bedroom community. It’s older than dc by a century, and classier by a mile

It's pretty similar to DC. Overpaid government employees who have delusions of importance, completely failing schools, failing infrastructure, and a mayor and city council who are in way over their inexperienced heads.

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Anonymous wrote:The flood risks are overstated. The airport Senators and Congressmen is literalyt next door.

The flood risk is not overstated. Alexandria has a huge flooding problem, especially in the Del Ray area. The system is already overstressed and old. It's well known that the city wasn't even clearing storm drains until they were exposed by citizens and jounalists in the last few years.

The locals should be excited about new construction that will eliminate the huge parking lots draining into the sewers and modern rainwater management for the new buildings.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:lol that Alexandria is a bedroom community. It’s older than dc by a century, and classier by a mile

Agree but classier than DC by a mile is a minimal standard.

People not looking at Alexandria correctly. A lot going on there. They will pull this off I think unless DC comes in with something blockbuster. I thought at first this was a ploy to get DC to put up more. Now I think this will happen.

The teams do not need DC. They can fill from NoVa and people coming by Metro.

LOL, so you think people will ride in on the Silver and Orange lines, transfer and then squeeze through the one escalator at Potomac Yards and then after the game, sit in the crush to get back on to the metro that is only fed by one track?


Someone is going to have to spend about $350M to get that station up to a pro stadium standard and even then, unlike Gallery Place and Metro Center that has the whole system within a block, this station is at the far end of two lines and cannot have any track expansion.

The far end for those lines are Springfield and Huntingdon in Fairfax County.

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Anonymous wrote:NHL is not making any money. The NBA is pretty bad too. Both have weak tv deals and weak tv ratings. There are many really cheap NHL franchises that Baltimore could surely steal with a new arena at middle branch but NHL just might not be worth it.

Then DC should be glad to get rid of the Caps and Wizards. It could do something more lucrative with the arena like mixed-use development.

It is time for DC to get out of the subsidizing Ted business. Let Nova tax payers do that to the tune of $3.5 billion.

I have never seen a vibrant neighborhood around a spot complex. On games night it’s a lot of people pre and post gaming(getting drunk) and on the non game nights it is an empty waste land. The restaurants and bars depended on the the game nights are low quality places and do not draw people to the area.

For the life of me why would Alexandria want to tie up this much land and money with Amazon supposedly driving growth in the area. Maybe it would make sense out in Loudon country, Fredericksburg or Richmond but not Alexandria. You will just end up with what you have now in DC.

What is Alexandria besides a bedroom community (run-down at that) for the District and a bunch of offices for people who support the real work being done across the river? There’s no way they can pull this off and would be better off knowing their limits and not embarrassing themselves.

If this is true, explain why townhouses in Potomac Yard sell for over $1m and SFH in Del Ray regularly go for over $1.3m.

People in DC still haven't caught on that DC is in decline and things are moving elsewhere. Eventually they will tire of fighting off 3 muggers on their way to meet their fashionable friends at another DC chain restaurant and will make the arduous journey down the yellow line.

+1. This is correct. The absolute disdain that many in DC have for the “burbs” created a huge blind spot for the mayor. She never saw this coming. The energy has shifted away from DC and they still haven’t realized it.

She did see this coming.

But she doesn't have 70 acres and 2 billion dollars to throw at Monumental. Virginia doesn't either, which is why the taxpayers will be on the hook for bonds that have almost no way of obligation surety.

Riiiight. She saw it coming so she made her best and final offer AFTER they set up the party tent in Alexandria. If she saw it coming she would have cancelled her boondoggle trip to the Middle East and instead been on Ted’s doorstep.

It wouldn't have mattered because Virginia has land to offer, DC doesn't, at least not at the moment. It could once RFK, Poplar Point and FBI are turned over, so until then, DC doesn't have close to the same deal Ted's old friend Glenn could offer. The question is, will VA taxpayers be willing to accept the risk?

Agree. If anyone thinks that DC pulled together a $500M offer overnight simply as a response that’s hilarious. It doesn’t work that way. If he wanted more land he should have asked for it rather than acting like it was just $600M of upgrades to the current arena. The downtown will improve with or without Ted, but feel bad that VA is going to end up paying for his greed.

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Anonymous wrote:NHL is not making any money. The NBA is pretty bad too. Both have weak tv deals and weak tv ratings. There are many really cheap NHL franchises that Baltimore could surely steal with a new arena at middle branch but NHL just might not be worth it.

Then DC should be glad to get rid of the Caps and Wizards. It could do something more lucrative with the arena like mixed-use development.

It is time for DC to get out of the subsidizing Ted business. Let Nova tax payers do that to the tune of $3.5 billion.

I have never seen a vibrant neighborhood around a spot complex. On games night it’s a lot of people pre and post gaming(getting drunk) and on the non game nights it is an empty waste land. The restaurants and bars depended on the the game nights are low quality places and do not draw people to the area.

For the life of me why would Alexandria want to tie up this much land and money with Amazon supposedly driving growth in the area. Maybe it would make sense out in Loudon country, Fredericksburg or Richmond but not Alexandria. You will just end up with what you have now in DC.

What is Alexandria besides a bedroom community (run-down at that) for the District and a bunch of offices for people who support the real work being done across the river? There’s no way they can pull this off and would be better off knowing their limits and not embarrassing themselves.

If this is true, explain why townhouses in Potomac Yard sell for over $1m and SFH in Del Ray regularly go for over $1.3m.

People in DC still haven't caught on that DC is in decline and things are moving elsewhere. Eventually they will tire of fighting off 3 muggers on their way to meet their fashionable friends at another DC chain restaurant and will make the arduous journey down the yellow line.

+1. This is correct. The absolute disdain that many in DC have for the “burbs” created a huge blind spot for the mayor. She never saw this coming. The energy has shifted away from DC and they still haven’t realized it.

She did see this coming.

But she doesn't have 70 acres and 2 billion dollars to throw at Monumental. Virginia doesn't either, which is why the taxpayers will be on the hook for bonds that have almost no way of obligation surety.

Riiiight. She saw it coming so she made her best and final offer AFTER they set up the party tent in Alexandria. If she saw it coming she would have cancelled her boondoggle trip to the Middle East and instead been on Ted’s doorstep.

It wouldn't have mattered because Virginia has land to offer, DC doesn't, at least not at the moment. It could once RFK, Poplar Point and FBI are turned over, so until then, DC doesn't have close to the same deal Ted's old friend Glenn could offer. The question is, will VA taxpayers be willing to accept the risk?

Agree. If anyone thinks that DC pulled together a $500M offer overnight simply as a response that’s hilarious. It doesn’t work that way. If he wanted more land he should have asked for it rather than acting like it was just $600M of upgrades to the current arena. The downtown will improve with or without Ted, but feel bad that VA is going to end up paying for his greed.

Seriously. What’s with all these greedy DC business owners?

https://www.foxnews.com/media/dc-business-owner-control-prices-crime-52-restaurants-shut-down