Walz vs. Vance: VP Debate Oct 1 2024

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Anyone who doesn't want to be fact checked should be disqualified...what is the point otherwise? I want to believe my leaders whether or not I agree with them who wants to be gaslighted for 4 years?? I don't want to hear lies that make me happy. I want to hear the truth.

Politicians already get a bad rep for being slimy, smooth, not answering direct questions and outright lying. Vance acted like a exaggerated version of a "bad politician" trope last night. Vance was lying about obvious, proveable things (Donald Trump lost in 2020 (he did), Donald Trump peacefully transferred power in 2020 (he didn't), Donald Trump promoted ACA/Obamacare (he didn't), Haitian immigrant community in Springfield are illegals (they aren't), Vance never in favor of national abortion ban (he's on record and audio saying he would like an national abortion ban).

It was a crazy amount of lies on big, major, important significant things. How does Vance tell such enormous, egregious lies with such ...ease??

It's chilling.

He’s a conniving sociopath. It’s interesting how hysterical Democrats are over Trump when Vance is the real evil on that ticket. He’s young too. He’s going to be a threat to this nation for a long time.

[Anonymous]

I'll add that there is a lot of misinformation and ignorance out there in the electorate and not everybody can evaluate policy proposals, but I think many regular people have experience with smooth salespeople that lie to you and waste your time that's exactly how Vance came across.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It's amazing to me how people from each side choose to stubbornly defend the candidate they support. There was a clear winner yesterday night, but each side insists on claiming their candidate won. The debate, although quite interesting, did not change anyone's mind.

clear winner on what?

on style and delivery, vance was better.

on substance and accuracy, walz was better.

on big knock-out punches, there was only one. walz landed it in the final moment of the debate.

on bad behavior, there was only one instance, when vance whined to moderators after being fact-checked that he prepared for the debate assuming he wouldn't get fact-checked.

on first half of the debate (including opening), vance did better.

on second half of debate (including closing), walz did better.

on who was overall better according to pundits, most said a tie, some said vance.

on who was overall better according to regular people focus group, most said tie, some said walz.

on who won over more independents, walz.

You wish. You're dreaming

[Anonymous]

Pence (remember him?) wouldn't go along with Don's con, so it looks like Trump got the fixer he always wanted.

I personally don't want the veep having the ability to overturn election results so I will not be voting for his boss.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:And the carousel of Republican respectability moves forward. Every year we get to hear about how the Republicans of yesteryear were actually the normal good ones and the current ones are "scary" "fascist" "chilling." It's been going on since W when I was a young teen.

And look how much we have fallen and how close we are to an authoritarian, with no legal guardrails. I am not sure your post is the flex you think it is. For those of us a little older than you, this is not normal, and the fall of a once great party to where we are now is horrifying.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Anyone who doesn't want to be fact checked should be disqualified...what is the point otherwise? I want to believe my leaders whether or not I agree with them who wants to be gaslighted for 4 years?? I don't want to hear lies that make me happy. I want to hear the truth.

Politicians already get a bad rep for being slimy, smooth, not answering direct questions and outright lying. Vance acted like a exaggerated version of a "bad politician" trope last night. Vance was lying about obvious, proveable things (Donald Trump lost in 2020 (he did), Donald Trump peacefully transferred power in 2020 (he didn't), Donald Trump promoted ACA/Obamacare (he didn't), Haitian immigrant community in Springfield are illegals (they aren't), Vance never in favor of national abortion ban (he's on record and audio saying he would like an national abortion ban).

It was a crazy amount of lies on big, major, important significant things. How does Vance tell such enormous, egregious lies with such ...ease??

It's chilling.

He’s a conniving sociopath. It’s interesting how hysterical Democrats are over Trump when Vance is the real evil on that ticket. He’s young too. He’s going to be a threat to this nation for a long time.

I hear you that he could be very dangerous. I think for that to occur one of two things needs to happen:
1. He is able to hold his own electorally after Trump is no longer with us. So far the GOP has not been able to replace Trump though they desperately want to. Vance's style is very different from Trump.
2. Or the nightmare scenario occurs and he manages to get SCOTUS to allow a coup installing him as permanent president

[Anonymous]

Passing over Kelly and Shapiro for Walz now doesn't seem like such a smart decision on Kamala's part . . .

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It's amazing to me how people from each side choose to stubbornly defend the candidate they support. There was a clear winner yesterday night, but each side insists on claiming their candidate won. The debate, although quite interesting, did not change anyone's mind.

clear winner on what?

on style and delivery, vance was better.

on substance and accuracy, walz was better.

on big knock-out punches, there was only one. walz landed it in the final moment of the debate.

on bad behavior, there was only one instance, when vance whined to moderators after being fact-checked that he prepared for the debate assuming he wouldn't get fact-checked.

on first half of the debate (including opening), vance did better.

on second half of debate (including closing), walz did better.

on who was overall better according to pundits, most said a tie, some said vance.

on who was overall better according to regular people focus group, most said tie, some said walz.

on who won over more independents, walz.

this is the right take!

[Anonymous]

Another lie from Vance.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Anyone who doesn't want to be fact checked should be disqualified...what is the point otherwise? I want to believe my leaders whether or not I agree with them who wants to be gaslighted for 4 years?? I don't want to hear lies that make me happy. I want to hear the truth.

Politicians already get a bad rep for being slimy, smooth, not answering direct questions and outright lying. Vance acted like a exaggerated version of a "bad politician" trope last night. Vance was lying about obvious, proveable things (Donald Trump lost in 2020 (he did), Donald Trump peacefully transferred power in 2020 (he didn't), Donald Trump promoted ACA/Obamacare (he didn't), Haitian immigrant community in Springfield are illegals (they aren't), Vance never in favor of national abortion ban (he's on record and audio saying he would like an national abortion ban).

It was a crazy amount of lies on big, major, important significant things. How does Vance tell such enormous, egregious lies with such ...ease??

It's chilling.

He’s a conniving sociopath. It’s interesting how hysterical Democrats are over Trump when Vance is the real evil on that ticket. He’s young too. He’s going to be a threat to this nation for a long time.

I hear you that he could be very dangerous. I think for that to occur one of two things needs to happen:
1. He is able to hold his own electorally after Trump is no longer with us. So far the GOP has not been able to replace Trump though they desperately want to. Vance's style is very different from Trump.
2. Or the nightmare scenario occurs and he manages to get SCOTUS to allow a coup installing him as permanent president

SCOTUS has already allowed this. So once Trump/Vance are "legally" elected, there is no getting rid of them short of death. Vance is very young and once installed would be there for the rest of our lives. Is that acceptable to you?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Passing over Kelly and Shapiro for Walz now doesn't seem like such a smart decision on Kamala's part . . .

Kelly would not have been any better than walz.
Shapiro would probably have come off just as "smooth" as Vance, but given the baggage he would have faced with his state staff, the headache would not have been worth it.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Of the 4 candidates, J.D. Vance is by far the most intelligent and polished. I’d say, however, I’d trust either of these two to be president over the two front runners

Agree.

+1

[Anonymous]

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Of the 4 candidates, J.D. Vance is by far the most intelligent and polished. I’d say, however, I’d trust either of these two to be president over the two front runners

Agree.

+1

Sociopaths are usually intelligent.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Anyone who doesn't want to be fact checked should be disqualified...what is the point otherwise? I want to believe my leaders whether or not I agree with them who wants to be gaslighted for 4 years?? I don't want to hear lies that make me happy. I want to hear the truth.

Politicians already get a bad rep for being slimy, smooth, not answering direct questions and outright lying. Vance acted like a exaggerated version of a "bad politician" trope last night. Vance was lying about obvious, proveable things (Donald Trump lost in 2020 (he did), Donald Trump peacefully transferred power in 2020 (he didn't), Donald Trump promoted ACA/Obamacare (he didn't), Haitian immigrant community in Springfield are illegals (they aren't), Vance never in favor of national abortion ban (he's on record and audio saying he would like an national abortion ban).

It was a crazy amount of lies on big, major, important significant things. How does Vance tell such enormous, egregious lies with such ...ease??

It's chilling.

He’s a conniving sociopath. It’s interesting how hysterical Democrats are over Trump when Vance is the real evil on that ticket. He’s young too. He’s going to be a threat to this nation for a long time.

I hear you that he could be very dangerous. I think for that to occur one of two things needs to happen:
1. He is able to hold his own electorally after Trump is no longer with us. So far the GOP has not been able to replace Trump though they desperately want to. Vance's style is very different from Trump.
2. Or the nightmare scenario occurs and he manages to get SCOTUS to allow a coup installing him as permanent president

SCOTUS has already allowed this. So once Trump/Vance are "legally" elected, there is no getting rid of them short of death. Vance is very young and once installed would be there for the rest of our lives. Is that acceptable to you?

Its funny how you folks project exactly what you are attempting to do.
IE put in place a puppet that Obama pulls the strings of.