Tourist submersible missing on visit to Titanic

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Anonymous wrote:Are we paying for this??????????????????

we shouldn't be helping of paying for this..

yes, we should because it's the right thing to do. willing to bet if that was your family, you might see things differently

I think it’s only the right thing to do up until there is no way there could be any survivors, particularly given that it may imploded and there aren’t remains to return to the family.

I get this, but at the same time, at this point they've all mobilized such international effort and spent that money, let them tie it up. If they're still there in a few weeks that's ridiculous, but for now let all of those on the rescue/recovery get that experience.

What?! Weeks of searching just adds to the cost. Pardon the economic term (no pun intended) but the money already spent is a sunk cost. There’s no reason to throw good money after bad when there’s unlikely to be anything recoverable. This debris field should be investigated, but no more than one week should be devoted to this rescue/recovery mission.

Agree. On to the next story

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Anonymous wrote:Are we paying for this??????????????????

we shouldn't be helping of paying for this..

yes, we should because it's the right thing to do. willing to bet if that was your family, you might see things differently

I think it’s only the right thing to do up until there is no way there could be any survivors, particularly given that it may imploded and there aren’t remains to return to the family.

I get this, but at the same time, at this point they've all mobilized such international effort and spent that money, let them tie it up. If they're still there in a few weeks that's ridiculous, but for now let all of those on the rescue/recovery get that experience.

What?! Weeks of searching just adds to the cost. Pardon the economic term (no pun intended) but the money already spent is a sunk cost. There’s no reason to throw good money after bad when there’s unlikely to be anything recoverable. This debris field should be investigated, but no more than one week should be devoted to this rescue/recovery mission.

+1. No more lives should be put at risk to recover the debris either.

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From CNN just now:

"Company confirms its vehicle found debris field in Titanic submersible search area
From CNN’s Paul P. Murphy

A spokesperson for Pelagic Research Services confirmed to CNN that its remote operated vehicle (ROV), which was the first to conduct a search for the missing OceanGate sub on the sea floor, found the debris field.

The US Coast Guard announced earlier today that a debris field had been found in the search area.

Pelagic Research Services describes itself on its website as “an ocean services company that brings expedition planning, execution and state of the art sub-sea research tools to the ocean community on a global basis."


From the front page of the Pelagic Research Services website that I just went to:

"PRS want to express our full gratitude for the incredible, coordinated rescue response of everyone involved in this search and rescue mission. Our focus right now is on the families of those on the Titan and for their tragic loss."

"Tragic loss" is an interesting choice of words. Probably unintentional (though confusing).

Why is it an interesting choice of words? They are clearly dead. People don’t actually still think there’s a chance that they are bobbing around waiting to be unsealed, right?

Because nothing has been officially confirmed yet and the "debris field" has not yet been confirmed to be from the Titan. Obviously it's likely they are dead, but you don't put out a confusing statement like that before anything official is announced.

The statement isn't confusing. We all know they are dead since they ran out of oxygen.

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Anonymous wrote:Damn, they really did implode. Those poor people. God rest their souls.

Worse to be starving and thirsty and losing one's mind in a freezing, foul-smelling coffin waiting to be suffocated. It would be merciful to die quickly 1 1/2 hours into this ill-fated journey.

The fact that they died (I’m assuming) is very tragic, but if they imploded, the cause of death isn’t a bad one. In order of my own preferences, instantaneous death is second only to living a long, happy life and then going to bed one night and dying in my sleep.

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From CNN just now:

"Company confirms its vehicle found debris field in Titanic submersible search area
From CNN’s Paul P. Murphy

A spokesperson for Pelagic Research Services confirmed to CNN that its remote operated vehicle (ROV), which was the first to conduct a search for the missing OceanGate sub on the sea floor, found the debris field.

The US Coast Guard announced earlier today that a debris field had been found in the search area.

Pelagic Research Services describes itself on its website as “an ocean services company that brings expedition planning, execution and state of the art sub-sea research tools to the ocean community on a global basis."


From the front page of the Pelagic Research Services website that I just went to:

"PRS want to express our full gratitude for the incredible, coordinated rescue response of everyone involved in this search and rescue mission. Our focus right now is on the families of those on the Titan and for their tragic loss."

"Tragic loss" is an interesting choice of words. Probably unintentional (though confusing).

Agree that it’s very definitive language before anyone has held a press conference to say the words. It’s almost as if PRS announced publicly that they’re dead before the families were notified. We all *know* they’re dead but from a PR perspective, that language is not something I would’ve approved in a public facing statement at this hour, pre-Coast Guard press conf.

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I knew it was unlikely but I was really hoping for a Thai-cave style miracle rescue.

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Anonymous wrote:The way some posters are reacting, it is a wonder two bicycle shop owners ever took their crazy contraption out to Kill Devil Hills in NC.

None of the people are stupid anymore than those who strive to go to space.

Just because you would never do it, doesn’t mean others shouldn’t!

I hope they rose to the surface and just haven’t been found yet.

These guys weren't inventors. They were tourists.

It's not even like Everest, where people have to train and be fit beyond imagining. These people just wrote a check.

False. They were Mission Specialists.

Without their participation, this scientific venture would not have moved forward.

People in this area claim to be in favor of Science, but when the rubber meets the road, it is all “hurr durr! They were privileged billionaires. Their fee for this trip would have been better spent on Teslas for the unhoused”

Do tell what science they were engaging in. Why safety measures on submarines are always a good idea? Mission accomplished. You are an absolute fool if you think science was anything but a thinly veiled guise for what this was really all about: vanity tourism.

Exactly…just like the rich people who pay to be hauled up Everest by sherpas aren’t explorers.

Absolutely. If you’ve ever read Into Thin Air it’s crazy how many of these people didn’t even have the right equipment and seemed not to know what they were doing at all. But then millions of dollars and resources weren’t put into rescue attempts at the summit simply because everyone knew there was no point.

That's what I was thinking, and wondering how is this different? People who climb Everest know that at a certain point high enough on the mountain, you either get yourself down on your own power, or you die. That's just how it is. You can't fly a helicopter up there or carry somebody down. One of the guides on that Everest trip was in radio contact with base camp and his pregnant wife as he froze to death. They all knew help was not on the way. How is this sub different? Don't you know (or do your due diligence before forking over $250k and learn) that if something goes wrong on the ocean floor, there's no saving you?

There is no difference. Which is why it a legitimate question to ask why so much money is being expended trying to do it here.

There is a long long history of international cooperation when it comes to maritime rescues. Even adversaries like Russia and the us will help each other rescue military personnel. Look up “Russian Priz submarine”. As others have said, these search and rescues also serve as practice for some of these agencies, whose sole purpose is to provide search and rescue support for military operations.

Yes, tons of money will be expended, but I don’t think the agencies see it as being completely wasted - it’s also providing real life training. It’s like saying that people who do stupid stunts on skateboards are wasting the time and resources of the emergency doctor. There is truth to that, but it’s also providing an opportunity for doctors to practice their skills, especially for new residents and interns. I would not have gotten proficient at placing central IV lines if so many IV drug users with sclerosed veins had not overdosed and came to the hospital.

This is a fair point.

I have read the Coast Guard has reached the ocean floor as of a few hours ago. So who knows what they will find, if anything.

I'm pp - forgot that add that no doubt, it's an enormous expenditure and has the risk of neglecting other people who need rescue and rescue personnel being injured or killed. But there is a lot of knowledge gained in these operations, whether successful or not, that will be applied to future missions. And there can even be opportunities for discovery, like you said. Also, who knows, the next emergency could be American navy men and women who need help from a country that we helped last time. The ocean is so vast and scary. There is a maritime code of conduct that says you help anyone who needs help, which has come into conflict with some countries not helping immigrants fleeing on boats; I think it is Italy that is the country in controversy.

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From CNN just now:

"Company confirms its vehicle found debris field in Titanic submersible search area
From CNN’s Paul P. Murphy

A spokesperson for Pelagic Research Services confirmed to CNN that its remote operated vehicle (ROV), which was the first to conduct a search for the missing OceanGate sub on the sea floor, found the debris field.

The US Coast Guard announced earlier today that a debris field had been found in the search area.

Pelagic Research Services describes itself on its website as “an ocean services company that brings expedition planning, execution and state of the art sub-sea research tools to the ocean community on a global basis."


From the front page of the Pelagic Research Services website that I just went to:

"PRS want to express our full gratitude for the incredible, coordinated rescue response of everyone involved in this search and rescue mission. Our focus right now is on the families of those on the Titan and for their tragic loss."

"Tragic loss" is an interesting choice of words. Probably unintentional (though confusing).

Agree that it’s very definitive language before anyone has held a press conference to say the words. It’s almost as if PRS announced publicly that they’re dead before the families were notified. We all *know* they’re dead but from a PR perspective, that language is not something I would’ve approved in a public facing statement at this hour, pre-Coast Guard press conf.

Bingo. (I'm the OP of the post to which you're replying)

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Anonymous wrote:instantaneous death is second only to living a long, happy life and then going to bed one night and dying in my sleep.

I always have said I hope I die in my sleep like my grandfather and not screaming like the three others in the car with him.

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I'm impressed if they even found a debris field. I just assumed they would never be able to find anything, and it would be discovered decades from now on some other odd excursion or with more advanced technology.

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Anonymous wrote:
From CNN just now:

"Company confirms its vehicle found debris field in Titanic submersible search area
From CNN’s Paul P. Murphy

A spokesperson for Pelagic Research Services confirmed to CNN that its remote operated vehicle (ROV), which was the first to conduct a search for the missing OceanGate sub on the sea floor, found the debris field.

The US Coast Guard announced earlier today that a debris field had been found in the search area.

Pelagic Research Services describes itself on its website as “an ocean services company that brings expedition planning, execution and state of the art sub-sea research tools to the ocean community on a global basis."


From the front page of the Pelagic Research Services website that I just went to:

"PRS want to express our full gratitude for the incredible, coordinated rescue response of everyone involved in this search and rescue mission. Our focus right now is on the families of those on the Titan and for their tragic loss."

"Tragic loss" is an interesting choice of words. Probably unintentional (though confusing).

Why is it an interesting choice of words? They are clearly dead. People don’t actually still think there’s a chance that they are bobbing around waiting to be unsealed, right?

Because nothing has been officially confirmed yet and the "debris field" has not yet been confirmed to be from the Titan. Obviously it's likely they are dead, but you don't put out a confusing statement like that before anything official is announced.

The statement isn't confusing. We all know they are dead since they ran out of oxygen.

That’s right. It doesn’t matter how. They are gone. Consider that the official announcement.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
From CNN just now:

"Company confirms its vehicle found debris field in Titanic submersible search area
From CNN’s Paul P. Murphy

A spokesperson for Pelagic Research Services confirmed to CNN that its remote operated vehicle (ROV), which was the first to conduct a search for the missing OceanGate sub on the sea floor, found the debris field.

The US Coast Guard announced earlier today that a debris field had been found in the search area.

Pelagic Research Services describes itself on its website as “an ocean services company that brings expedition planning, execution and state of the art sub-sea research tools to the ocean community on a global basis."


From the front page of the Pelagic Research Services website that I just went to:

"PRS want to express our full gratitude for the incredible, coordinated rescue response of everyone involved in this search and rescue mission. Our focus right now is on the families of those on the Titan and for their tragic loss."

"Tragic loss" is an interesting choice of words. Probably unintentional (though confusing).

Agree that it’s very definitive language before anyone has held a press conference to say the words. It’s almost as if PRS announced publicly that they’re dead before the families were notified. We all *know* they’re dead but from a PR perspective, that language is not something I would’ve approved in a public facing statement at this hour, pre-Coast Guard press conf.

Bingo. (I'm the OP of the post to which you're replying)

Yes, it’s all about the PR, of course.

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Anonymous wrote:It's too bad they couldn't get the ROVs there sooner to find them alive and bring them up through bringing them up sounded risky as well since it would involve depressurization and if the thing wasn't already working properly, maybe they would not have survived the ascent.

if reports are true and there was something defective/leak, they never had a chance. The pressure in itself would cause it to implode ...there's nothing to "find"

The Titan would probably have reached a depth of around 3,500 meters by the time communication was lost, meaning the pressure would be equal to 345 times Earth's atmosphere. If the pressure vessel has failed catastrophically, it’s like a small bomb going off.

The 3PM conference means that think they have some new information, maybe

Would there have been telltale signs of an implosion at the surface the crew on the ship missed?

One man on the news said the implosion could have happened on the bottom of the ocean if they bumped into something even as small as a rock based on the design of this submersible

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And, think of the perspective - that sub was just a speck in the massive ocean. Plus, the sound of an implosion wouldn't be heard through the water and the pieces wouldn't travel as quickly or as far through the water.

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Friend of a friend telling BBC that rear cover of sun and landing gear is part of debris field.