Options for opposing Connecticut Avenue changes?

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Anonymous wrote:this thread is a preview of the epic sh*tstorm that's coming when average people realize this project is on the docket. most people have no idea and will not be happy.

I had never heard of this until I read this thread. It sounds completely bonkers.

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Anonymous wrote:It's in everyone's interest -- drivers, pedestrians, cyclists -- to have any much car traffic moving as efficiently as possible on major roads, ie any street named after a state. That's what they were designed for and that's where everyone expects there to be lots of traffic. When we force drivers to start cutting through neighborhoods on side streets because the main arteries are clogged, that's when we're asking for trouble.

It is also in everyone's interest to have roads where pedestrians, cyclists and drivers, can move about their business in a safe manner. When a road is designed such that someone operating a car can move fast enough that they overturn it, as happened on Connecticut Avenue earlier this month, that is problematic. I am not sure why anyone would defend the status quo, which is clearly unsafe.

We'd all be better off if the handful of dudes super into bikes would just take the subway.

If I want to go from Chevy Chase to Vace, the Metro isn't really going to help me.

You're in luck! It turns out there is also a city bus system!

It is faster for me to bike. I would just like to do it safely.

Call me crazy but the city shouldnt have to spend billions of dollars and screw up traffic for hundreds of thousands of people because you and a handful of other Bernie bros don't like the bus

Don't worry, they also plan to dramtically cut back local bus service. Buses will now strictly be for commuters from Maryland.

I agree with this - the buses on CT ave have already been cut back in favor of an express line type service from MD - people from MD complained that the bus t hat went down 18th street took to long so that was done away with, the bikes can go on the bus but people with injuries, balance issues, elderly, people with babies who don't want to pop their kids in conn ave, people with many reasons are safer and more comfortable on the metro bus which is now being subordinated to the bike lanes - what are the stats re: bus ridership v.s. bikes on conn ave?

Again what are you even talking about? It is amazing in this thread how many of the anti bike/anti complete street folks just make stuff up because they don't know what is actually going on in the corridor and have no knowledge about transportation in our neighborhood or region except when it comes to driving.

There is no "express line type service from MD" running on CT Ave and never has been.

No one from MD would be complaining about the route of the L2 because it would be strange for anyone from MD to even be rising that route as it doesn't serve MD and practically speaking doesn't connect to any MD bus routes so would only be accessible to the small number of MD residents living just across the line from Chevy Chase Circle.

Why do you all lie so much?

The plan is indeed to eliminate local stops along Connecticut Avenue. Moreover the Friendship Heights bus station is located in MD.

But since PP asked. According to DDOT 4,300 bus trips per day are made on this 2.7 mile stretch of Connecticut Avenue.

Huh? These responses are completely incoherent - it is unhealthy to be drinking and posting on DCUM at lunch time on a Monday.

The FH bus station is on Wisconsin Avenue. The L8 bus originates from there and runs up CT Ave in MD but otherwise no buses from that station serve the CT Ave corridor.

So tell us again what this express bus service you are referencing is and who from MD is riding the bus on CT Ave in DC?

DDOT is indeed proposing to move some of the CT Ave bus stops - you would not know this since you don't ever take the bus but that is actually a good thing as they are moving the bus stops to better locations past intersections which is something that is actually good for bus riders and drivers alike. Looking at the bus stop locations and improving them is one of the many benefits of this plan.

At this point I believe almost the entirety of the anti-bike lane posts on this thread are coming from one person. Hopefully that person will sober up before getting in their SUV to drive to get their kid at their private school this afternoon - I'll be biking home from school with my kid at the same time and would prefer you not kill me with your panzer wanker.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:this thread is a preview of the epic sh*tstorm that's coming when average people realize this project is on the docket. most people have no idea and will not be happy.

False. Most people have engaged in the issue and are supportive. It is only the handful of entitled single family owners who were too busy at their beach houses or mountain houses during COVID that are just waking up to this. Those of us who have and had been here an follow the notices from the ANCs and DDOT are not surprised by this, at all.

I am pretty confident that the entirety of the anti bike posts in this thread are coming from one deranged person.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:this thread is a preview of the epic sh*tstorm that's coming when average people realize this project is on the docket. most people have no idea and will not be happy.

I had never heard of this until I read this thread. It sounds completely bonkers.

LOL - you started this thread - or did you forget?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:this thread is a preview of the epic sh*tstorm that's coming when average people realize this project is on the docket. most people have no idea and will not be happy.

False. Most people have engaged in the issue and are supportive. It is only the handful of entitled single family owners who were too busy at their beach houses or mountain houses during COVID that are just waking up to this. Those of us who have and had been here an follow the notices from the ANCs and DDOT are not surprised by this, at all.

Ha. This is beyond parody. To point out the painfully obvious, normal people do not follow notices from ANC and DDOT.

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Anonymous wrote:this thread is a preview of the epic sh*tstorm that's coming when average people realize this project is on the docket. most people have no idea and will not be happy.

False. Most people have engaged in the issue and are supportive. It is only the handful of entitled single family owners who were too busy at their beach houses or mountain houses during COVID that are just waking up to this. Those of us who have and had been here an follow the notices from the ANCs and DDOT are not surprised by this, at all.

Ha. This is beyond parody. To point out the painfully obvious, normal people do not follow notices from ANC and DDOT.

Maybe they should start.

Oh, forgot, too terribly busy.

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Anonymous wrote:this thread is a preview of the epic sh*tstorm that's coming when average people realize this project is on the docket. most people have no idea and will not be happy.

False. Most people have engaged in the issue and are supportive. It is only the handful of entitled single family owners who were too busy at their beach houses or mountain houses during COVID that are just waking up to this. Those of us who have and had been here an follow the notices from the ANCs and DDOT are not surprised by this, at all.

Ha. This is beyond parody. To point out the painfully obvious, normal people do not follow notices from ANC and DDOT.

Fortunately they have someone here on DCUM in an extended conversation with herself to let them know.

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Anonymous wrote:this thread is a preview of the epic sh*tstorm that's coming when average people realize this project is on the docket. most people have no idea and will not be happy.

False. Most people have engaged in the issue and are supportive. It is only the handful of entitled single family owners who were too busy at their beach houses or mountain houses during COVID that are just waking up to this. Those of us who have and had been here an follow the notices from the ANCs and DDOT are not surprised by this, at all.

Ha. This is beyond parody. To point out the painfully obvious, normal people do not follow notices from ANC and DDOT.

Maybe they should start.

Oh, forgot, too terribly busy.

Seriously. Next thing you're going to tell me is that the public has been too busy to read OTR Tax Notice 2022-06 on the Covid 19 Franchise Tax Nexus.

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Anonymous wrote:It's in everyone's interest -- drivers, pedestrians, cyclists -- to have any much car traffic moving as efficiently as possible on major roads, ie any street named after a state. That's what they were designed for and that's where everyone expects there to be lots of traffic. When we force drivers to start cutting through neighborhoods on side streets because the main arteries are clogged, that's when we're asking for trouble.

It is also in everyone's interest to have roads where pedestrians, cyclists and drivers, can move about their business in a safe manner. When a road is designed such that someone operating a car can move fast enough that they overturn it, as happened on Connecticut Avenue earlier this month, that is problematic. I am not sure why anyone would defend the status quo, which is clearly unsafe.

We'd all be better off if the handful of dudes super into bikes would just take the subway.

If I want to go from Chevy Chase to Vace, the Metro isn't really going to help me.

You're in luck! It turns out there is also a city bus system!

It is faster for me to bike. I would just like to do it safely.

As the poster who was accused of not knowing the bus route (I commute on the L2) my stop (which was on the "right" side of the intersection) is going away and we will now have to walk the 4 blocks to get to Conn Ave and now 4 or 6 blocks to the closest stops - my reference to "express" service was by filling up the bus at the top of the route and getting rid of many stops along the way to skip our neighborhoods - if you look at the minutes for wmata there is alot of discussion for how to make it faster for commuters - there are many more bus riders than bikers but the bike lobby is pushing the bikes at the expense of the bus as is clearly shown on the DDOT concept plans on their websites - I don't see how anyone could say that this is not true or all down to WMATA - these are DDOT's proposals

Call me crazy but the city shouldnt have to spend billions of dollars and screw up traffic for hundreds of thousands of people because you and a handful of other Bernie bros don't like the bus

Don't worry, they also plan to dramtically cut back local bus service. Buses will now strictly be for commuters from Maryland.

I agree with this - the buses on CT ave have already been cut back in favor of an express line type service from MD - people from MD complained that the bus t hat went down 18th street took to long so that was done away with, the bikes can go on the bus but people with injuries, balance issues, elderly, people with babies who don't want to pop their kids in conn ave, people with many reasons are safer and more comfortable on the metro bus which is now being subordinated to the bike lanes - what are the stats re: bus ridership v.s. bikes on conn ave?

Again what are you even talking about? It is amazing in this thread how many of the anti bike/anti complete street folks just make stuff up because they don't know what is actually going on in the corridor and have no knowledge about transportation in our neighborhood or region except when it comes to driving.

There is no "express line type service from MD" running on CT Ave and never has been.

No one from MD would be complaining about the route of the L2 because it would be strange for anyone from MD to even be rising that route as it doesn't serve MD and practically speaking doesn't connect to any MD bus routes so would only be accessible to the small number of MD residents living just across the line from Chevy Chase Circle.

Why do you all lie so much?

The plan is indeed to eliminate local stops along Connecticut Avenue. Moreover the Friendship Heights bus station is located in MD.

But since PP asked. According to DDOT 4,300 bus trips per day are made on this 2.7 mile stretch of Connecticut Avenue.

-The L2 stops at Chevy Chase Circle, not Friendship Heights
-WMATA has been proposing to consolidate bus stops on Connecticut Avenue for years. This isn't DDOT, but rather WMATA. They want to relocate some and eliminate others.
-There would be more bus trips if there were better bus service. 20 minute headways on a main avenue is not good service. If they get it down to 15 or better 10 minutes, so that people could actually have surety of the next bus arriving, then it would be a useful part of the transportation network.

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Anonymous wrote:I had the opportunity over the weekend to talk to a few of my neighbors about the bike lanes (and the had spoken to other neighbors previously) - we live close to Connecticut Avenue. After about a 20 minute discussion, we determined that on our block, there are two households vehemently opposed, and everyone is for. No one sees it as that big of a deal and appears to be a way of significantly improve the quality of life on the corridor.

The people opposed post all the time on our neighborhood email list.

Did you ask them whether they were in favor of bike lanes or whether they were in favor of permanently closing two lanes of traffic on Connecticut Avenue?

It's the shutting down two lanes of traffic that people are complaining about.

We talked through the issue thoroughly. Everyone understood what the new configuration is. Most of them plan to use the bike lanes once built. Others understood that this is a 'greater good' issue. None of them ever park on Connecticut Avenue when they shop, either in our part of the Ward or other parts. So they didn't see it as negatively impacting them in any way.

I lived in a SFH a block away from Connecticut Avenue for over ten years. I could count on one hand the number of times I drove and parked on Connecticut Avenue. If this is an issue for SFH owners it only is for a minority of them (and SFH owners are already a minority of people who live on the corridor)

Also to the prior PP- the lanes are not being shut. They are being repurposed to other users. They will still be open, just not to cars.

[Anonymous]

The nextbus app is very good for telling when the bus is coming. removing the bus stops along CT Ave is not in the interest of the bus riders - our stop which is after the light so in the "correct" location is being eliminated resulting in an additional 4 blocks uphill or 6 blocks downhill, added to the time it takes to walk to CT Ave - Given t he large number of bus riders v.s. bike riders this seems unreasonable

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Anonymous wrote:The nextbus app is very good for telling when the bus is coming. removing the bus stops along CT Ave is not in the interest of the bus riders - our stop which is after the light so in the "correct" location is being eliminated resulting in an additional 4 blocks uphill or 6 blocks downhill, added to the time it takes to walk to CT Ave - Given t he large number of bus riders v.s. bike riders this seems unreasonable

Non-sense - there is no 10 block, or even 2 block, gap on CT Ave between bus stops. This is provably untrue - please cite what stop is being moved and where this 10 block gap between stops is?

You do know these plans are all publicly available?

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on the DDOT concept plans it looks like ALL of the bustops in Woodley park are being "consolidated" so there will be 1 bus stop in cleveland park near the bridge and then none until you get to the bus stops at the metro - am i reading the DDOT website wrong?

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Anonymous wrote:this thread is a preview of the epic sh*tstorm that's coming when average people realize this project is on the docket. most people have no idea and will not be happy.

False. Most people have engaged in the issue and are supportive. It is only the handful of entitled single family owners who were too busy at their beach houses or mountain houses during COVID that are just waking up to this. Those of us who have and had been here an follow the notices from the ANCs and DDOT are not surprised by this, at all.

Ha. This is beyond parody. To point out the painfully obvious, normal people do not follow notices from ANC and DDOT.

In the absence of the NorthWest Current, how else does one stay on top of what is happening in the community? The ANC and DDOT post to the neighborhood listservs. That is about as good as it gets in 2019-2022 when this study took place.

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Anonymous wrote:this thread is a preview of the epic sh*tstorm that's coming when average people realize this project is on the docket. most people have no idea and will not be happy.

False. Most people have engaged in the issue and are supportive. It is only the handful of entitled single family owners who were too busy at their beach houses or mountain houses during COVID that are just waking up to this. Those of us who have and had been here an follow the notices from the ANCs and DDOT are not surprised by this, at all.

Ha. This is beyond parody. To point out the painfully obvious, normal people do not follow notices from ANC and DDOT.

In the absence of the NorthWest Current, how else does one stay on top of what is happening in the community? The ANC and DDOT post to the neighborhood listservs. That is about as good as it gets in 2019-2022 when this study took place.

The Current was priceless in its coverage of NIMBY hypocrisy. Certain gadflies wouldn’t dare to speak up in public if that paper were here to hold them to account. It’s loss is deeply mourned.