Options for opposing Connecticut Avenue changes?

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Anonymous wrote:I had the opportunity over the weekend to talk to a few of my neighbors about the bike lanes (and the had spoken to other neighbors previously) - we live close to Connecticut Avenue. After about a 20 minute discussion, we determined that on our block, there are two households vehemently opposed, and everyone is for. No one sees it as that big of a deal and appears to be a way of significantly improve the quality of life on the corridor.

The people opposed post all the time on our neighborhood email list.

Did you ask them whether they were in favor of bike lanes or whether they were in favor of permanently closing two lanes of traffic on Connecticut Avenue?

It's the shutting down two lanes of traffic that people are complaining about.

+1 A lot of us are for bike lanes and more riders (for those who can) but against screwing up Connecticut Ave and routing more frustrated drivers into the neighborhood and specifically onto Reno.

The additional north-south traffic is going to be distributed across different north-south routes. It's true that a portion of Reno is forecast to get more traffic, but there will be a decreas on many E-W routes. As traffic engineers for the city, DDOT is looking at the city as a whole.

DDOT is also trying to sell a plan for Connecticut avenue that most people don't want so take what they say with a grain of salt.

if by "most people" you mean the handful of the same posters on neighborhood email groups, then sure. In earth prime, where most of us live in the real world, there is widepsread support.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:This is truly beautiful. Imagine something like it for DC:

[twitter] https://twitter.com/edwardlamb/status/1573228176217722880[/twitter]

The only problem: People here aren't into bikes. We've had bike lanes for a very long time and still almost no one uses them.

and for the umpteenth time, people use them and, there needs to be an actual connected network. There isn't one currently, so it is very dangerous for most of the people who would want to be able to bike.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:This is truly beautiful. Imagine something like it for DC:

[twitter] https://twitter.com/edwardlamb/status/1573228176217722880[/twitter]

The only problem: People here aren't into bikes. We've had bike lanes for a very long time and still almost no one uses them.

That's not true. DDOT estimates that 300 bike trips per day are made on Connecticut Ave.

150 cyclists? I'm skeptical but whatever. The daytime population of DC is north of 1 million. So we're talking, roughly, zero percent of people.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:This is truly beautiful. Imagine something like it for DC:

[twitter] https://twitter.com/edwardlamb/status/1573228176217722880[/twitter]

The only problem: People here aren't into bikes. We've had bike lanes for a very long time and still almost no one uses them.

and for the umpteenth time, people use them and, there needs to be an actual connected network. There isn't one currently, so it is very dangerous for most of the people who would want to be able to bike.

There's no evidence any of that is true. What is plain is that the number of cyclists in this city is so small that it's a rounding error.

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Anonymous wrote:According to DDOT 300 bicycle trips a day are made on the 3 mile stretch of Connecticut in question.

According to DDOT 30,000 car trips a day are made on that same stretch.

Also according to a map, there are 6 lanes set aside for vehicles right now and none for bicycles. Makes sense that there are more vehicle trips since drivers are being given so much of the public right of way.

Even under the absurdly optimistic estimates that assume a 1,000% increase in non-recreational biking and a 50% increase in neighborhood traffic there would be a greater than 3:1 ratio of bike:car capacity under this plan.

What's more. Those estimates were done in a vacuum and assume that no changes are made to Beach, 16th, 14th or Georgia. However we know that changes have been made to 24th and 16th since then, that similar plans are afoot for Georgia, and that they want to shut Beach down.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:This is truly beautiful. Imagine something like it for DC:

[twitter] https://twitter.com/edwardlamb/status/1573228176217722880[/twitter]

The only problem: People here aren't into bikes. We've had bike lanes for a very long time and still almost no one uses them.

That's not true. DDOT estimates that 300 bike trips per day are made on Connecticut Ave.

150 cyclists? I'm skeptical but whatever. The daytime population of DC is north of 1 million. So we're talking, roughly, zero percent of people.

If you only say that over 100 pages of this thread it's clearly not true. I'll start listening if you hit 1,000.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I had the opportunity over the weekend to talk to a few of my neighbors about the bike lanes (and the had spoken to other neighbors previously) - we live close to Connecticut Avenue. After about a 20 minute discussion, we determined that on our block, there are two households vehemently opposed, and everyone is for. No one sees it as that big of a deal and appears to be a way of significantly improve the quality of life on the corridor.

The people opposed post all the time on our neighborhood email list.

7000+ a day cars through the neighborhood streets isn’t a big deal?

This is an example of a hyperbolic statement made by someone who either doesn't know how to read DDOTs charts or else is taking bad information from someone else who doesn't know how to read DDOT's charts and is choosing to spread the misinformation widely.

It says quite clearly that it anticipates that 7000+ will be diverted onto neighborhood streets. It also says quite clearly that it assumes that bicycling trips will go from 300 to 3,000, that less people will use the bus and that there will be a statistically 0% increase in metro ridership.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I had the opportunity over the weekend to talk to a few of my neighbors about the bike lanes (and the had spoken to other neighbors previously) - we live close to Connecticut Avenue. After about a 20 minute discussion, we determined that on our block, there are two households vehemently opposed, and everyone is for. No one sees it as that big of a deal and appears to be a way of significantly improve the quality of life on the corridor.

The people opposed post all the time on our neighborhood email list.

7000+ a day cars through the neighborhood streets isn’t a big deal?

This is an example of a hyperbolic statement made by someone who either doesn't know how to read DDOTs charts or else is taking bad information from someone else who doesn't know how to read DDOT's charts and is choosing to spread the misinformation widely.

It says quite clearly that it anticipates that 7000+ will be diverted onto neighborhood streets. It also says quite clearly that it assumes that bicycling trips will go from 300 to 3,000, that less people will use the bus and that there will be a statistically 0% increase in metro ridership.

DDOT is not some neutral arbiter here. They are making an argument for bike lanes. So you can assume that their estimate of the number of drivers affected is greatly understated and their increase in cycling trips...well, it's laughable.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:This is truly beautiful. Imagine something like it for DC:

[twitter] https://twitter.com/edwardlamb/status/1573228176217722880[/twitter]

The only problem: People here aren't into bikes. We've had bike lanes for a very long time and still almost no one uses them.

That's not true. DDOT estimates that 300 bike trips per day are made on Connecticut Ave.

150 cyclists? I'm skeptical but whatever. The daytime population of DC is north of 1 million. So we're talking, roughly, zero percent of people.

If you only say that over 100 pages of this thread it's clearly not true. I'll start listening if you hit 1,000.

Those are DDOT's own numbers. That's not PP's assertion. It's the assetion of the agency that came up with the plan. Are you claiming that DDOT is lying about the number of bicyclists that use Connecticut Avenue?

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Anonymous wrote:It's in everyone's interest -- drivers, pedestrians, cyclists -- to have any much car traffic moving as efficiently as possible on major roads, ie any street named after a state. That's what they were designed for and that's where everyone expects there to be lots of traffic. When we force drivers to start cutting through neighborhoods on side streets because the main arteries are clogged, that's when we're asking for trouble.

It is also in everyone's interest to have roads where pedestrians, cyclists and drivers, can move about their business in a safe manner. When a road is designed such that someone operating a car can move fast enough that they overturn it, as happened on Connecticut Avenue earlier this month, that is problematic. I am not sure why anyone would defend the status quo, which is clearly unsafe.

We'd all be better off if the handful of dudes super into bikes would just take the subway.

If I want to go from Chevy Chase to Vace, the Metro isn't really going to help me.

You're in luck! It turns out there is also a city bus system!

It is faster for me to bike. I would just like to do it safely.

Call me crazy but the city shouldnt have to spend billions of dollars and screw up traffic for hundreds of thousands of people because you and a handful of other Bernie bros don't like the bus

Don't worry, they also plan to dramtically cut back local bus service. Buses will now strictly be for commuters from Maryland.

I agree with this - the buses on CT ave have already been cut back in favor of an express line type service from MD - people from MD complained that the bus t hat went down 18th street took to long so that was done away with, the bikes can go on the bus but people with injuries, balance issues, elderly, people with babies who don't want to pop their kids in conn ave, people with many reasons are safer and more comfortable on the metro bus which is now being subordinated to the bike lanes - what are the stats re: bus ridership v.s. bikes on conn ave?

Again what are you even talking about? It is amazing in this thread how many of the anti bike/anti complete street folks just make stuff up because they don't know what is actually going on in the corridor and have no knowledge about transportation in our neighborhood or region except when it comes to driving.

There is no "express line type service from MD" running on CT Ave and never has been.

No one from MD would be complaining about the route of the L2 because it would be strange for anyone from MD to even be rising that route as it doesn't serve MD and practically speaking doesn't connect to any MD bus routes so would only be accessible to the small number of MD residents living just across the line from Chevy Chase Circle.

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Anonymous wrote:It's in everyone's interest -- drivers, pedestrians, cyclists -- to have any much car traffic moving as efficiently as possible on major roads, ie any street named after a state. That's what they were designed for and that's where everyone expects there to be lots of traffic. When we force drivers to start cutting through neighborhoods on side streets because the main arteries are clogged, that's when we're asking for trouble.

It is also in everyone's interest to have roads where pedestrians, cyclists and drivers, can move about their business in a safe manner. When a road is designed such that someone operating a car can move fast enough that they overturn it, as happened on Connecticut Avenue earlier this month, that is problematic. I am not sure why anyone would defend the status quo, which is clearly unsafe.

We'd all be better off if the handful of dudes super into bikes would just take the subway.

If I want to go from Chevy Chase to Vace, the Metro isn't really going to help me.

You're in luck! It turns out there is also a city bus system!

It is faster for me to bike. I would just like to do it safely.

Call me crazy but the city shouldnt have to spend billions of dollars and screw up traffic for hundreds of thousands of people because you and a handful of other Bernie bros don't like the bus

Don't worry, they also plan to dramtically cut back local bus service. Buses will now strictly be for commuters from Maryland.

I agree with this - the buses on CT ave have already been cut back in favor of an express line type service from MD - people from MD complained that the bus t hat went down 18th street took to long so that was done away with, the bikes can go on the bus but people with injuries, balance issues, elderly, people with babies who don't want to pop their kids in conn ave, people with many reasons are safer and more comfortable on the metro bus which is now being subordinated to the bike lanes - what are the stats re: bus ridership v.s. bikes on conn ave?

Again what are you even talking about? It is amazing in this thread how many of the anti bike/anti complete street folks just make stuff up because they don't know what is actually going on in the corridor and have no knowledge about transportation in our neighborhood or region except when it comes to driving.

There is no "express line type service from MD" running on CT Ave and never has been.

No one from MD would be complaining about the route of the L2 because it would be strange for anyone from MD to even be rising that route as it doesn't serve MD and practically speaking doesn't connect to any MD bus routes so would only be accessible to the small number of MD residents living just across the line from Chevy Chase Circle.

Why do you all lie so much?

The plan is indeed to eliminate local stops along Connecticut Avenue. Moreover the Friendship Heights bus station is located in MD.

But since PP asked. According to DDOT 4,300 bus trips per day are made on this 2.7 mile stretch of Connecticut Avenue.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I had the opportunity over the weekend to talk to a few of my neighbors about the bike lanes (and the had spoken to other neighbors previously) - we live close to Connecticut Avenue. After about a 20 minute discussion, we determined that on our block, there are two households vehemently opposed, and everyone is for. No one sees it as that big of a deal and appears to be a way of significantly improve the quality of life on the corridor.

The people opposed post all the time on our neighborhood email list.

7000+ a day cars through the neighborhood streets isn’t a big deal?

This is an example of a hyperbolic statement made by someone who either doesn't know how to read DDOTs charts or else is taking bad information from someone else who doesn't know how to read DDOT's charts and is choosing to spread the misinformation widely.

It says quite clearly that it anticipates that 7000+ will be diverted onto neighborhood streets. It also says quite clearly that it assumes that bicycling trips will go from 300 to 3,000, that less people will use the bus and that there will be a statistically 0% increase in metro ridership.

Again the study does not say that.

Doesn't matter how many times you assert that in this thread the DDOT study does not say that.

What it predicts is 7000 current car trips through the corridor will get through the corridor via other means - some cars will divert to other N-S corridors avoiding CT all together, other drivers will chose to not come at all while some will use other modes like transit or even biking. And yes some drivers will still end up in the neighborhood and may seek alternate streets during the AM/PM rush hour but it is not 7000 drivers and most of the drops in carrying capacity are on E-W roads and not N-S roads.

Again for the 90% of the week that is not the AM & PM rush hour Connecticut Avenue in the future will in fact have an increased carrying capacity over what it has today because it will be getting queue lanes for left hand turning cars at most intersections. Those queue lanes by the way decrease car accidents too because drivers jumping in and out of lanes are a major cause of accidents on roads lacking queue spaces.

This 7000 cars talking point was brought up at the June CT Ave CAC meeting and was thoroughly debunked by the DDOT lead traffic planner on this project.

Just because you keep repeating this false talking point does not make it true.

[Anonymous]

this thread is a preview of the epic sh*tstorm that's coming when average people realize this project is on the docket. most people have no idea and will not be happy.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It's in everyone's interest -- drivers, pedestrians, cyclists -- to have any much car traffic moving as efficiently as possible on major roads, ie any street named after a state. That's what they were designed for and that's where everyone expects there to be lots of traffic. When we force drivers to start cutting through neighborhoods on side streets because the main arteries are clogged, that's when we're asking for trouble.

It is also in everyone's interest to have roads where pedestrians, cyclists and drivers, can move about their business in a safe manner. When a road is designed such that someone operating a car can move fast enough that they overturn it, as happened on Connecticut Avenue earlier this month, that is problematic. I am not sure why anyone would defend the status quo, which is clearly unsafe.

We'd all be better off if the handful of dudes super into bikes would just take the subway.

If I want to go from Chevy Chase to Vace, the Metro isn't really going to help me.

You're in luck! It turns out there is also a city bus system!

It is faster for me to bike. I would just like to do it safely.

Call me crazy but the city shouldnt have to spend billions of dollars and screw up traffic for hundreds of thousands of people because you and a handful of other Bernie bros don't like the bus

Don't worry, they also plan to dramtically cut back local bus service. Buses will now strictly be for commuters from Maryland.

I agree with this - the buses on CT ave have already been cut back in favor of an express line type service from MD - people from MD complained that the bus t hat went down 18th street took to long so that was done away with, the bikes can go on the bus but people with injuries, balance issues, elderly, people with babies who don't want to pop their kids in conn ave, people with many reasons are safer and more comfortable on the metro bus which is now being subordinated to the bike lanes - what are the stats re: bus ridership v.s. bikes on conn ave?

Again what are you even talking about? It is amazing in this thread how many of the anti bike/anti complete street folks just make stuff up because they don't know what is actually going on in the corridor and have no knowledge about transportation in our neighborhood or region except when it comes to driving.

There is no "express line type service from MD" running on CT Ave and never has been.

No one from MD would be complaining about the route of the L2 because it would be strange for anyone from MD to even be rising that route as it doesn't serve MD and practically speaking doesn't connect to any MD bus routes so would only be accessible to the small number of MD residents living just across the line from Chevy Chase Circle.

Why do you all lie so much?

The plan is indeed to eliminate local stops along Connecticut Avenue. Moreover the Friendship Heights bus station is located in MD.

But since PP asked. According to DDOT 4,300 bus trips per day are made on this 2.7 mile stretch of Connecticut Avenue.

-The L2 stops at Chevy Chase Circle, not Friendship Heights
-WMATA has been proposing to consolidate bus stops on Connecticut Avenue for years. This isn't DDOT, but rather WMATA. They want to relocate some and eliminate others.
-There would be more bus trips if there were better bus service. 20 minute headways on a main avenue is not good service. If they get it down to 15 or better 10 minutes, so that people could actually have surety of the next bus arriving, then it would be a useful part of the transportation network.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:this thread is a preview of the epic sh*tstorm that's coming when average people realize this project is on the docket. most people have no idea and will not be happy.

False. Most people have engaged in the issue and are supportive. It is only the handful of entitled single family owners who were too busy at their beach houses or mountain houses during COVID that are just waking up to this. Those of us who have and had been here an follow the notices from the ANCs and DDOT are not surprised by this, at all.