Donnie Dumptruck says Mar-A-Lago's been searched by the FBI

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Anonymous wrote:If this is true, the FBI will lose any shred of credibility they have... which, at this point, isn't much.
And, this will give Republicans even more reason to impeach Garland.

The boxes contain documents and mementos from Trump’s presidency, reportedly including letters from Barack Obama and Kim Jong Un, and other correspondence with world leaders.

A legal source said that the boxes had been packed up by the General Services Administration and shipped to Mar-a-Lago when Trump left office in January 2020.

Trump’s attorneys, led by Evan Corcoran, had been cooperating fully with federal authorities on the return of the documents to the National Archives and Records Administration, according to sources.

https://nypost.com/2022/08/09/fbi-even-searched-melanias-wardrobe-in-trump-raid/

The third paragraph is an obvious lie, so I would not give much credence to the second one. But even if the GSA sent it- so what? The question would be, who ordered it to be sent?

It is absolutely critical. You think Trump, himself, was overseeing the packing of boxes? LOL.
This goes to intent. If the GSA packed the boxes and had them sent, where is the intent on the part of Trump to take classified documents?

He or his agents instructed the movers what to pack. Movers don’t select what is packed and where it is sent. Have you never moved residence?

You can bet on the fact that the FBI has 302s for key WH staff and grand jury testimony in some instances. The record was locked dow before the warrant was executed. .

302??

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:What is the FBI protocol for perp-walking a former president?

Game of Thrones style would be nice.

Dracherys?

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can we just step back a moment and reflect on how WILD all this is?

i didn't really think trump was smart enough to be a spy but i guess he's showing me.

i know it's all conjecture now - but what is our best guess about what he was doing/going to do with these documents?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:What is the FBI protocol for perp-walking a former president?

Game of Thrones style would be nice.

Without the naked part, please.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:If this is true, the FBI will lose any shred of credibility they have... which, at this point, isn't much.
And, this will give Republicans even more reason to impeach Garland.

The boxes contain documents and mementos from Trump’s presidency, reportedly including letters from Barack Obama and Kim Jong Un, and other correspondence with world leaders.

A legal source said that the boxes had been packed up by the General Services Administration and shipped to Mar-a-Lago when Trump left office in January 2020.

Trump’s attorneys, led by Evan Corcoran, had been cooperating fully with federal authorities on the return of the documents to the National Archives and Records Administration, according to sources.

https://nypost.com/2022/08/09/fbi-even-searched-melanias-wardrobe-in-trump-raid/

Then why didn’t he give them back when asked multiple times months ago? What is your point? No matter how you slice it this is bad news for one specific oompa loompa.

He returned boxes of documents. He probably didn't even know these items were there.
Why didn't the DOJ issue a subpoena for the docs? Why a raid?
The FBI is looking pretty damn bad today. As well as the DOJ in general.

Perhaps because they were concerned that Trump would relocate the documents to an unknown location if he had a heads up this was coming. I mean really, Trump does not comply with subpoenas.

The FBI is not looking bad other than to MAGA sheep. These were brilliant chess moves by Garland.

Maybe McConnell should have put garland on the Supreme Court after all…

The moment Trump thought he won, was the moment that sealed his fate

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:How long will it be before we see a picture of DJT matching his orange hair and orange body with orange jumpsuit?

Good question. Lawyers, what say you?

There is no precedent for this to begin to predict where or how quickly this will go. Given the nature of what's happening here, I expect that DOJ would try to keep things under wrap as long as possible and try not to make the nature of the investigation public information until they were just about ready to file formal criminal charges. But in this instance, given what has been disclosed about the nature of the documents seized, it is possible that national security concerns forced DOJ to act sooner than they otherwise might have wanted to.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:If this is true, the FBI will lose any shred of credibility they have... which, at this point, isn't much.
And, this will give Republicans even more reason to impeach Garland.

The boxes contain documents and mementos from Trump’s presidency, reportedly including letters from Barack Obama and Kim Jong Un, and other correspondence with world leaders.

A legal source said that the boxes had been packed up by the General Services Administration and shipped to Mar-a-Lago when Trump left office in January 2020.

Trump’s attorneys, led by Evan Corcoran, had been cooperating fully with federal authorities on the return of the documents to the National Archives and Records Administration, according to sources.

https://nypost.com/2022/08/09/fbi-even-searched-melanias-wardrobe-in-trump-raid/

The third paragraph is an obvious lie, so I would not give much credence to the second one. But even if the GSA sent it- so what? The question would be, who ordered it to be sent?

It is absolutely critical. You think Trump, himself, was overseeing the packing of boxes? LOL.
This goes to intent. If the GSA packed the boxes and had them sent, where is the intent on the part of Trump to take classified documents?

He or his agents instructed the movers what to pack. Movers don’t select what is packed and where it is sent. Have you never moved residence?

You can bet on the fact that the FBI has 302s for key WH staff and grand jury testimony in some instances. The record was locked dow before the warrant was executed. .

302??

A document prepared by an agent from notes which memorializes a witness interview. If you lie during the interview you can be charged with a false statement violation under 18 USC sec. 1001.

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Unsealed warrant and receipt here
https://storage.courtlistener.com/recap/gov.uscourts.flsd.617854/gov.uscourts.flsd.617854.17.0_10.pdf

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:How long will it be before we see a picture of DJT matching his orange hair and orange body with orange jumpsuit?

Good question. Lawyers, what say you?

There is no precedent for this to begin to predict where or how quickly this will go. Given the nature of what's happening here, I expect that DOJ would try to keep things under wrap as long as possible and try not to make the nature of the investigation public information until they were just about ready to file formal criminal charges. But in this instance, given what has been disclosed about the nature of the documents seized, it is possible that national security concerns forced DOJ to act sooner than they otherwise might have wanted to.

DOJ also had to be keenly aware of timing and reports that Trump could announce his candidacy before the midterms. The closer to November the more problematic.

[Anonymous]

For those interested in the legal side of this, I would recommend following Steve Vladeck on Twitter (@steve_vladeck). He's a brilliant constitutional law scholar generally, but national security is his particular area of expertise.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:How long will it be before we see a picture of DJT matching his orange hair and orange body with orange jumpsuit?

Good question. Lawyers, what say you?

There is no precedent for this to begin to predict where or how quickly this will go. Given the nature of what's happening here, I expect that DOJ would try to keep things under wrap as long as possible and try not to make the nature of the investigation public information until they were just about ready to file formal criminal charges. But in this instance, given what has been disclosed about the nature of the documents seized, it is possible that national security concerns forced DOJ to act sooner than they otherwise might have wanted to.

DOJ also had to be keenly aware of timing and reports that Trump could announce his candidacy before the midterms. The closer to November the more problematic.

Agreed. The dynamics of this would have fundamentally changed if Trump had announced his candidacy before the investigation became public.

[Anonymous]

Item 2 is a "Leatherbound box of documents" which contained item 2A "Various classified/TS/SCI documents"

There's your mens rea right there.

[Anonymous]

Let's pause here and summarize:

We have a former President of the most powerful country in the world who was just found illegally withholding top secret documents and other documents with an even more sensitive categorization, some of which have to do with the leader of an allied country, and some of which has been alleged to be nuclear information.

It has been confirmed that the government made every effort to get these back before the FBI warrant, and that Trump did not declassify these documents.

It has been surmised that Trump did this to continue finding ways to stay in power. Or that he or someone close to him decided to sell or exchange this information for personal gain (Saudi money to Jared?). Knowing Trump's penchant for sharing secrets with dictators in an effort to impress them, there is concern some sensitive information could make its way to enemies of the western world.

It's tiring to repeat, but in my wildest nightmares, I did not expect Trump to reach this low and endanger not just the US this time, but the world. Therefore, I suppose he's done, or will do, even worse, unless he's permanently stopped.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:So Garland and the FBI didn't foresee the likelihood that Trump would claim they planted evidence and come out of this appealing to even more voters?
I sure hope they had a good and credible reasons for the raid. Waiting with bated breath to hear what it was

Please tell me you're a nitwit without using the word nitwit...

hey, I said I'm waiting with bated breath to hear the credible reasons for the raid. If it's there, I'll be 100% on the FBI's side. Surprising to me though that Trump is the one advocating most loudly for release of the warrant.

Garland prefers not to say, but probably what happened is that there was a recent realization, perhaps due to a tip-off, that ultra-sensitive nuclear docs were held at Mar-a-lago. That set off an urgent process to recover them before any more harm could be done - harm, meaning our most secret nuclear tech info (US or foreign) used by enemies or potential enemies of the state. You understand that the first entity Trump shares or sells it to can then turn around and sell it to someone else. Once it's out, it's out. Even though Trump had this since he left the WH, the DOJ cannot say "oh it's been so long, what's another few months!". No, as soon as they know, it's the topmost national security priority to recover the docs. They have no choice.

You've got to accept that the LAST thing DOJ wants to do is piss off the MAGA set and set off a political firestorm before the mid terms. DOJ HAD NO CHOICE WHEN THEY REALIZED THE DANGER.

This isn't a little game of owning the right, or owning the left. It's gone beyond the political domestic sphere. We are now at DEFCON 1 in terms of global threat, if all this is indeed true and very sensitive nuclear information has fallen into the wrong hands.

I want to point out here that the public may perhaps never have the full picture, given the sensitive nature of the information. Perhaps a foreign country already has the info, but the American public will never know. Our current and future presidents will have to deal with the fallout of the cursed Trump presidency and post-presidency. Trump himself, if this is really what happened, must be neutralized at all costs. He is a clear and present danger to the USA, our allies (whose nuclear info may have been stolen), and indeed the whole world order.

Again, the public is not the best judge of all of this for now. It's difficult to trust our institutions given the political climate, but I am convinced they are working to defend us.

If it was an urgent process, why wait three days from signature to execute?

It’s called the weekend.