Alec Baldwin fatally shot someone on movie set with gun mishap

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Am I the only one who kind of feels bad for this girl?

Not excusing irresponsibility and of course it’s tragic that the woman died as a result. But she seemed totally unqualified for the role and someone should’ve known better than to hire her. It would be like picking up a random receptionist at a medical facility and putting them in charge of brain surgery.

She’s so young (or was at the time) and will have to live with this for the rest of her life…

I honestly don’t. This was literally her job. I’d also not feel bad for a receptionist who performed brain surgery.

+1 She was the armorer.

Even if she wasn’t truly qualified for this job, there were bullets on the set?! People were shooting live bullets in these guns?!
She kept bullets in a fanny pack?! Any sane person would know this is bizarre.

Would like to know why all of those crew members quit like the day before.

[Anonymous]

I caught covid and was out sick so watched most of the trial and have been watching the last few days on recordings of Court TV in the evening after work.

I’m a former defense attorney and prosecutor so bring that perspective.

I’m not surprised the jury found her guilty and didn’t appear to deliberate long. She had an excellent defense attorney who did his best to raise reasonable doubt, but she was clearly negligent in her duties to a reckless degree. She was getting high in the evenings and she was doing all kinds of crappy work on set, the prosecutor started her closing showing a series of photos of actors and stunt people pointing guns at each other while holding weapons on set and she was right there and did nothing. Even *if* there were no live rounds on set you are always supposed to follow gun safety rules and she didn’t enforce them on set - whether because she was hungover or high or whether she suffered the same syndrome many young women in power do, she was people pleasing and didn’t want to be the bad guy calling folks out for not following the training it doesn’t matter, she was negligent in a lot of ways before a live round found its way into that revolver and then through Halyna Hutchins’s chest. The day of the shooting she had hours to check the dummies before the scenes were shot and she obviously didn’t do it or she would have caught the live round.

And while I previously defended Baldwin I now believe after hearing the testimony of several firearms experts that he DID pull the trigger and he is also guilty. I’m interested to see if he goes to trial after his lawyers watched the state’s case here and saw the evidence that was presented and will be presented in June/July at his trial if he goes. I suspect he’ll be found guilty if he does take it to trial.

It was a totally senseless death, I feel so sorry for her son and husband.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I caught covid and was out sick so watched most of the trial and have been watching the last few days on recordings of Court TV in the evening after work.

I’m a former defense attorney and prosecutor so bring that perspective.

I’m not surprised the jury found her guilty and didn’t appear to deliberate long. She had an excellent defense attorney who did his best to raise reasonable doubt, but she was clearly negligent in her duties to a reckless degree. She was getting high in the evenings and she was doing all kinds of crappy work on set, the prosecutor started her closing showing a series of photos of actors and stunt people pointing guns at each other while holding weapons on set and she was right there and did nothing. Even *if* there were no live rounds on set you are always supposed to follow gun safety rules and she didn’t enforce them on set - whether because she was hungover or high or whether she suffered the same syndrome many young women in power do, she was people pleasing and didn’t want to be the bad guy calling folks out for not following the training it doesn’t matter, she was negligent in a lot of ways before a live round found its way into that revolver and then through Halyna Hutchins’s chest. The day of the shooting she had hours to check the dummies before the scenes were shot and she obviously didn’t do it or she would have caught the live round.

And while I previously defended Baldwin I now believe after hearing the testimony of several firearms experts that he DID pull the trigger and he is also guilty. I’m interested to see if he goes to trial after his lawyers watched the state’s case here and saw the evidence that was presented and will be presented in June/July at his trial if he goes. I suspect he’ll be found guilty if he does take it to trial.

It was a totally senseless death, I feel so sorry for her son and husband.

If the gun had properly been loaded with blanks, wouldn't the scene require him to pull the trigger? Wasn't he just doing what he was supposed to do?

The whole point of using blanks rather than no bullets and adding in effects later is to film the discharge from the muzzle. The director had him placed so that he was aiming at the camera, for maximum visual impact.

Whether he thinks he pulled the trigger or thinks he didn't and the gun just went off (as is supposedly impossible but as the gun had already done the day before), I don't see that it matters.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I caught covid and was out sick so watched most of the trial and have been watching the last few days on recordings of Court TV in the evening after work.

I’m a former defense attorney and prosecutor so bring that perspective.

I’m not surprised the jury found her guilty and didn’t appear to deliberate long. She had an excellent defense attorney who did his best to raise reasonable doubt, but she was clearly negligent in her duties to a reckless degree. She was getting high in the evenings and she was doing all kinds of crappy work on set, the prosecutor started her closing showing a series of photos of actors and stunt people pointing guns at each other while holding weapons on set and she was right there and did nothing. Even *if* there were no live rounds on set you are always supposed to follow gun safety rules and she didn’t enforce them on set - whether because she was hungover or high or whether she suffered the same syndrome many young women in power do, she was people pleasing and didn’t want to be the bad guy calling folks out for not following the training it doesn’t matter, she was negligent in a lot of ways before a live round found its way into that revolver and then through Halyna Hutchins’s chest. The day of the shooting she had hours to check the dummies before the scenes were shot and she obviously didn’t do it or she would have caught the live round.

And while I previously defended Baldwin I now believe after hearing the testimony of several firearms experts that he DID pull the trigger and he is also guilty. I’m interested to see if he goes to trial after his lawyers watched the state’s case here and saw the evidence that was presented and will be presented in June/July at his trial if he goes. I suspect he’ll be found guilty if he does take it to trial.

It was a totally senseless death, I feel so sorry for her son and husband.

Wow, so she was essentially letting people mess around with the guns for photo ops?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I caught covid and was out sick so watched most of the trial and have been watching the last few days on recordings of Court TV in the evening after work.

I’m a former defense attorney and prosecutor so bring that perspective.

I’m not surprised the jury found her guilty and didn’t appear to deliberate long. She had an excellent defense attorney who did his best to raise reasonable doubt, but she was clearly negligent in her duties to a reckless degree. She was getting high in the evenings and she was doing all kinds of crappy work on set, the prosecutor started her closing showing a series of photos of actors and stunt people pointing guns at each other while holding weapons on set and she was right there and did nothing. Even *if* there were no live rounds on set you are always supposed to follow gun safety rules and she didn’t enforce them on set - whether because she was hungover or high or whether she suffered the same syndrome many young women in power do, she was people pleasing and didn’t want to be the bad guy calling folks out for not following the training it doesn’t matter, she was negligent in a lot of ways before a live round found its way into that revolver and then through Halyna Hutchins’s chest. The day of the shooting she had hours to check the dummies before the scenes were shot and she obviously didn’t do it or she would have caught the live round.

And while I previously defended Baldwin I now believe after hearing the testimony of several firearms experts that he DID pull the trigger and he is also guilty. I’m interested to see if he goes to trial after his lawyers watched the state’s case here and saw the evidence that was presented and will be presented in June/July at his trial if he goes. I suspect he’ll be found guilty if he does take it to trial.

It was a totally senseless death, I feel so sorry for her son and husband.

If the gun had properly been loaded with blanks, wouldn't the scene require him to pull the trigger? Wasn't he just doing what he was supposed to do?

The whole point of using blanks rather than no bullets and adding in effects later is to film the discharge from the muzzle. The director had him placed so that he was aiming at the camera, for maximum visual impact.

Whether he thinks he pulled the trigger or thinks he didn't and the gun just went off (as is supposedly impossible but as the gun had already done the day before), I don't see that it matters.

I thought they were lining up the shot with the camera and weren't actually filming the scene. Alec wasn't supposed to fire.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I caught covid and was out sick so watched most of the trial and have been watching the last few days on recordings of Court TV in the evening after work.

I’m a former defense attorney and prosecutor so bring that perspective.

I’m not surprised the jury found her guilty and didn’t appear to deliberate long. She had an excellent defense attorney who did his best to raise reasonable doubt, but she was clearly negligent in her duties to a reckless degree. She was getting high in the evenings and she was doing all kinds of crappy work on set, the prosecutor started her closing showing a series of photos of actors and stunt people pointing guns at each other while holding weapons on set and she was right there and did nothing. Even *if* there were no live rounds on set you are always supposed to follow gun safety rules and she didn’t enforce them on set - whether because she was hungover or high or whether she suffered the same syndrome many young women in power do, she was people pleasing and didn’t want to be the bad guy calling folks out for not following the training it doesn’t matter, she was negligent in a lot of ways before a live round found its way into that revolver and then through Halyna Hutchins’s chest. The day of the shooting she had hours to check the dummies before the scenes were shot and she obviously didn’t do it or she would have caught the live round.

And while I previously defended Baldwin I now believe after hearing the testimony of several firearms experts that he DID pull the trigger and he is also guilty. I’m interested to see if he goes to trial after his lawyers watched the state’s case here and saw the evidence that was presented and will be presented in June/July at his trial if he goes. I suspect he’ll be found guilty if he does take it to trial.

It was a totally senseless death, I feel so sorry for her son and husband.

NP here.
I don’t know anything about the law, so forgive me if this is a dumb question but the manslaughter idea is because no one set out to murder HH, right? Manslaughter means killed someone but didn’t intend on it?
So in this case (allegedly) AB shot the gun that killed someone but perhaps (and this is the issue I guess) he trusted his armorer that the gun was safe?
Is there legal framework that provides his innocence in the killing?

[Anonymous]

I hope Baldwin also gets found guilty and sentenced, but I know he won't. He always gets off clean.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I hope Baldwin also gets found guilty and sentenced, but I know he won't. He always gets off clean.

I have no love for Baldwin but there is no way I would hold an actor responsible for firing a gun that was supposed to be empty of live ammo, or throwing a dummy grenade that turned out to be real, or stabbing someone with a blade that was supposed to retract. This was a movie set and Hall or the armorer handed him a loaded weapon and told him it was safe to fire. The jury will not convict him.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I hope Baldwin also gets found guilty and sentenced, but I know he won't. He always gets off clean.

I have no love for Baldwin but there is no way I would hold an actor responsible for firing a gun that was supposed to be empty of live ammo, or throwing a dummy grenade that turned out to be real, or stabbing someone with a blade that was supposed to retract. This was a movie set and Hall or the armorer handed him a loaded weapon and told him it was safe to fire. The jury will not convict him.

I agree. And I think he pulled the trigger because he didn’t think it was loaded. It was not supposed to be. (I know he says he didn’t pull the trigger).

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I hope Baldwin also gets found guilty and sentenced, but I know he won't. He always gets off clean.

I have no love for Baldwin but there is no way I would hold an actor responsible for firing a gun that was supposed to be empty of live ammo, or throwing a dummy grenade that turned out to be real, or stabbing someone with a blade that was supposed to retract. This was a movie set and Hall or the armorer handed him a loaded weapon and told him it was safe to fire. The jury will not convict him.

I agree. And I think he pulled the trigger because he didn’t think it was loaded. It was not supposed to be. (I know he says he didn’t pull the trigger).

It’s irrelevant whether he said he did or not. He thought the gun had blanks.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I hope Baldwin also gets found guilty and sentenced, but I know he won't. He always gets off clean.

I have no love for Baldwin but there is no way I would hold an actor responsible for firing a gun that was supposed to be empty of live ammo, or throwing a dummy grenade that turned out to be real, or stabbing someone with a blade that was supposed to retract. This was a movie set and Hall or the armorer handed him a loaded weapon and told him it was safe to fire. The jury will not convict him.

I agree. And I think he pulled the trigger because he didn’t think it was loaded. It was not supposed to be. (I know he says he didn’t pull the trigger).

It’s irrelevant whether he said he did or not. He thought the gun had blanks.

That's one of the reasons you're supposed to check. Rule #1 of gun safety is to always assume the gun is loaded with live rounds. The implied task is to prove otherwise. If he had checked the chamber and inspected the rounds, as gun safety rules require, he may have noticed the live rounds.

Where I have trouble is understanding why it's totally fine for Alec to disregard these rules. And per the testimony, he openly ignored the gun safety briefing- sat around texting etc. And he was a producer, so he was in part responsible for the overall safety of the set.

This wasn't even the first negligent discharge on the set. Most of the crew walked off the set the day prior, and their letter makes a reference to the lack of gun safety. Again, Alec was a producer. Even if he were just an actor on set, he would know he's on an unsafe set with at least one previous instance of a negligent discharge. Under the circumstances, ignoring his responsibility to check the weapon, not aim it at people, etc, is even more difficult to understand.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I hope Baldwin also gets found guilty and sentenced, but I know he won't. He always gets off clean.

I have no love for Baldwin but there is no way I would hold an actor responsible for firing a gun that was supposed to be empty of live ammo, or throwing a dummy grenade that turned out to be real, or stabbing someone with a blade that was supposed to retract. This was a movie set and Hall or the armorer handed him a loaded weapon and told him it was safe to fire. The jury will not convict him.

I agree. And I think he pulled the trigger because he didn’t think it was loaded. It was not supposed to be. (I know he says he didn’t pull the trigger).

Every gun is a loaded gun until you verify otherwise. Any responsible gun owners on the jury, and he's toast if that's the defense

[Anonymous]

And also, we are talking about a man who didn't do even the most basic gun safety precautions required of literally anyone handling a gun. And then after that, he felt bad that he was being criticized and got on national TV, looked George Stephanopoulos right in the eye, and told him he felt no remorse about anything he did. When George tried to help him, like, bro, none? Alec said yeah, Halyna (the now dead cinematographer) was in charge and she told me to do it, she told me to shoot right in her direction. I mean.... it's breathtaking. He has no remorse AND he is blaming the lady he killed.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I hope Baldwin also gets found guilty and sentenced, but I know he won't. He always gets off clean.

I have no love for Baldwin but there is no way I would hold an actor responsible for firing a gun that was supposed to be empty of live ammo, or throwing a dummy grenade that turned out to be real, or stabbing someone with a blade that was supposed to retract. This was a movie set and Hall or the armorer handed him a loaded weapon and told him it was safe to fire. The jury will not convict him.

I agree. And I think he pulled the trigger because he didn’t think it was loaded. It was not supposed to be. (I know he says he didn’t pull the trigger).

Every gun is a loaded gun until you verify otherwise. Any responsible gun owners on the jury, and he's toast if that's the defense

I don’t think actors should be responsible for safety of props. Bur anyone who was responsible for prop safety, or for hiring the people responsible for pop safest should be held accountable. He may be liable as producer, but not actor.
But there needs to be a trial to make these determinations.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I hope Baldwin also gets found guilty and sentenced, but I know he won't. He always gets off clean.

I have no love for Baldwin but there is no way I would hold an actor responsible for firing a gun that was supposed to be empty of live ammo, or throwing a dummy grenade that turned out to be real, or stabbing someone with a blade that was supposed to retract. This was a movie set and Hall or the armorer handed him a loaded weapon and told him it was safe to fire. The jury will not convict him.

I agree. And I think he pulled the trigger because he didn’t think it was loaded. It was not supposed to be. (I know he says he didn’t pull the trigger).

Every gun is a loaded gun until you verify otherwise. Any responsible gun owners on the jury, and he's toast if that's the defense

Hundreds of pages on this and you all still don’t get it. It’s not the actor’s responsibility to do this - the actor may or may not know ANYTHING about guns. When an actor on a set is handed a gun it’s not different than being handed any other prop. It was the armorer’s responsibility to make sure that the gun was safe and the armorer was just found guilty of not doing that. Baldwin may have civil liability as one of the many producers of the movie that hired this recklessly incompetent armorer, but he should not be criminally responsible.