University of Notre Dame.

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Anonymous wrote:Pretending they're "different" and that their low IQ football (and basketball, hockey, etc.) recruits can actually handle the school load is the biggest load of B.S. I've ever heard. Same for Stanford and Duke. Unlike public degree mills, neither of these elite colleges offers remedial courses, so pray tell how dumb athletes who test at literally primary and middle school levels finish even one elite university-level course? Rampant fraud and cheating, obviously.

See, you’re just plain wrong. The truth is that Stanford’s admissions standards for football are the highest of the three and higher by far than any other successful D-1 program, but Notre Dame’s prospects are also held to high standards - including the expectation that they are sufficiently academically equipped to pass calculus. The idea that Notre Dame football players “test at primary and middle schools levels” is patently untrue and insulting. That might have been if Lou Holtz had his way way back when, but the administration wouldn’t lower admissions standards to his liking and that’s one of the main reasons he left.

Keep drinking the koolaid, trafficking the bullshit cult propaganda. Go team go!!

And your more informed view is formed by what, exactly? The color of their skin? That would be my guess.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Pretending they're "different" and that their low IQ football (and basketball, hockey, etc.) recruits can actually handle the school load is the biggest load of B.S. I've ever heard. Same for Stanford and Duke. Unlike public degree mills, neither of these elite colleges offers remedial courses, so pray tell how dumb athletes who test at literally primary and middle school levels finish even one elite university-level course? Rampant fraud and cheating, obviously.

Don’t know about Duke or Stanford but Harvard offers pre-calc. Also Stanford takes AP credit and doesn’t have the Ivy AI index. Show us some stats on ND’s grad rates before you act rude.

The average 3-5 star football, basketball and even hockey and baseball recruit can’t pass algebra 2, which is a 9th grade course at most high schools. But sure, keep pretending they can all go to T20 universities and write university level papers. Must be magic in the air.

Even if that were true, which it isn't, the key word is "average." The top 20 universities don't recruit the "average."

Racist.

[Anonymous]

NP here. I wouldn’t bother with the poster bashing college athletes. If it’s a guy he was obviously a high school nerd who is still smarting over not being cool, and if it’s a woman she obviously couldn’t get a date with the jock she had a crush on. Or maybe it’s their kids who are the geeks

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Anonymous wrote:I know hordes of ND grads. They're fine. Reasonably bright, but nothing to write home about. The Catholic ones are very Catholic.

The only exceptions to this rule are the architecture grads, who are all smart and successful. The rest might as well be OSU or Michigan grads.

Notre Dame's undergrad population is 80 percent Catholic, so you can't know all that many who aren't.

DP: Well, plenty of people are raised Catholic and then don't sustain it by the time you know them as adults (myself included).

And what does that have to do with anything? We are talking about how current Notre Dame students self-identify. Not you and your friends.

No, the PP said they knew hordes of ND grads not current students. You equated that to current students and then challenged their claim.

Whatever. Still entirely irrelevant to the discussion. We’re talking about what it’s like to go to school there, not what religion the graduates identify with decades later. Most UC-Berkeley grads aren’t hippies in their 40s and 50s either.

Plenty of people were talking about the outcomes after college--how they acted on the job, whether they were recruited well, whether they were overly naive etc in the working world etc. A lot of people drop their family's religion once their parents are not footing the bills, so the question is whether they are still Catholic in their 20s in their early working career, not in their 40s and 50s. Also, it's a different kind of campus culture if it's primarily the parents emphasizing Catholicism vs. kids embracing it as a primary identity also.

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Anonymous wrote:I know hordes of ND grads. They're fine. Reasonably bright, but nothing to write home about. The Catholic ones are very Catholic.

The only exceptions to this rule are the architecture grads, who are all smart and successful. The rest might as well be OSU or Michigan grads.

Notre Dame's undergrad population is 80 percent Catholic, so you can't know all that many who aren't.

DP: Well, plenty of people are raised Catholic and then don't sustain it by the time you know them as adults (myself included).

And what does that have to do with anything? We are talking about how current Notre Dame students self-identify. Not you and your friends.

No, the PP said they knew hordes of ND grads not current students. You equated that to current students and then challenged their claim.

Whatever. Still entirely irrelevant to the discussion. We’re talking about what it’s like to go to school there, not what religion the graduates identify with decades later. Most UC-Berkeley grads aren’t hippies in their 40s and 50s either.

Plenty of people were talking about the outcomes after college--how they acted on the job, whether they were recruited well, whether they were overly naive etc in the working world etc. A lot of people drop their family's religion once their parents are not footing the bills, so the question is whether they are still Catholic in their 20s in their early working career, not in their 40s and 50s. Also, it's a different kind of campus culture if it's primarily the parents emphasizing Catholicism vs. kids embracing it as a primary identity also.

You're just arguing for argument's sake. This is a non-issue.

In any event, it ain't just the parents. Notre Dame has plenty of hard core Catholics. Silly poster.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Pretending they're "different" and that their low IQ football (and basketball, hockey, etc.) recruits can actually handle the school load is the biggest load of B.S. I've ever heard. Same for Stanford and Duke. Unlike public degree mills, neither of these elite colleges offers remedial courses, so pray tell how dumb athletes who test at literally primary and middle school levels finish even one elite university-level course? Rampant fraud and cheating, obviously.

Don’t know about Duke or Stanford but Harvard offers pre-calc. Also Stanford takes AP credit and doesn’t have the Ivy AI index. Show us some stats on ND’s grad rates before you act rude.

The average 3-5 star football, basketball and even hockey and baseball recruit can’t pass algebra 2, which is a 9th grade course at most high schools. But sure, keep pretending they can all go to T20 universities and write university level papers. Must be magic in the air.

Algebra 2 is not a 9th grade course “at most high schools.” And t20 universities have great avg graduation rates across the board. Show me some stats that debunk what I said.

Giving the brutes degrees makes the fraud that much more egregious. But keep pretending idiots who scored 900 on the SAT are passing the same classes as genius peers who scored 1500 and 1600 and aced 10 AP courses in high school. roll:

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Pretending they're "different" and that their low IQ football (and basketball, hockey, etc.) recruits can actually handle the school load is the biggest load of B.S. I've ever heard. Same for Stanford and Duke. Unlike public degree mills, neither of these elite colleges offers remedial courses, so pray tell how dumb athletes who test at literally primary and middle school levels finish even one elite university-level course? Rampant fraud and cheating, obviously.

Don’t know about Duke or Stanford but Harvard offers pre-calc. Also Stanford takes AP credit and doesn’t have the Ivy AI index. Show us some stats on ND’s grad rates before you act rude.

The average 3-5 star football, basketball and even hockey and baseball recruit can’t pass algebra 2, which is a 9th grade course at most high schools. But sure, keep pretending they can all go to T20 universities and write university level papers. Must be magic in the air.

Algebra 2 is not a 9th grade course “at most high schools.” And t20 universities have great avg graduation rates across the board. Show me some stats that debunk what I said.

Giving the brutes degrees makes the fraud that much more egregious. But keep pretending idiots who scored 900 on the SAT are passing the same classes as genius peers who scored 1500 and 1600 and aced 10 AP courses in high school. roll:

NP -- I feel sorry for you that you feel the need to come on this thread and bash students who happen to be great football players and successful at academics. I know you just cannot wrap your head around it, but that's what it's like at Notre Dame. But go ahead and continue to make yourself look like a complete idiot with major issues.

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Anonymous wrote:Pretending they're "different" and that their low IQ football (and basketball, hockey, etc.) recruits can actually handle the school load is the biggest load of B.S. I've ever heard. Same for Stanford and Duke. Unlike public degree mills, neither of these elite colleges offers remedial courses, so pray tell how dumb athletes who test at literally primary and middle school levels finish even one elite university-level course? Rampant fraud and cheating, obviously.

Don’t know about Duke or Stanford but Harvard offers pre-calc. Also Stanford takes AP credit and doesn’t have the Ivy AI index. Show us some stats on ND’s grad rates before you act rude.

The average 3-5 star football, basketball and even hockey and baseball recruit can’t pass algebra 2, which is a 9th grade course at most high schools. But sure, keep pretending they can all go to T20 universities and write university level papers. Must be magic in the air.

Algebra 2 is not a 9th grade course “at most high schools.” And t20 universities have great avg graduation rates across the board. Show me some stats that debunk what I said.

Giving the brutes degrees makes the fraud that much more egregious. But keep pretending idiots who scored 900 on the SAT are passing the same classes as genius peers who scored 1500 and 1600 and aced 10 AP courses in high school. roll:

NP -- I feel sorry for you that you feel the need to come on this thread and bash students who happen to be great football players and successful at academics. I know you just cannot wrap your head around it, but that's what it's like at Notre Dame. But go ahead and continue to make yourself look like a complete idiot with major issues.

Don’t feel the troll.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Pretending they're "different" and that their low IQ football (and basketball, hockey, etc.) recruits can actually handle the school load is the biggest load of B.S. I've ever heard. Same for Stanford and Duke. Unlike public degree mills, neither of these elite colleges offers remedial courses, so pray tell how dumb athletes who test at literally primary and middle school levels finish even one elite university-level course? Rampant fraud and cheating, obviously.

Don’t know about Duke or Stanford but Harvard offers pre-calc. Also Stanford takes AP credit and doesn’t have the Ivy AI index. Show us some stats on ND’s grad rates before you act rude.

The average 3-5 star football, basketball and even hockey and baseball recruit can’t pass algebra 2, which is a 9th grade course at most high schools. But sure, keep pretending they can all go to T20 universities and write university level papers. Must be magic in the air.

Algebra 2 is not a 9th grade course “at most high schools.” And t20 universities have great avg graduation rates across the board. Show me some stats that debunk what I said.

Giving the brutes degrees makes the fraud that much more egregious. But keep pretending idiots who scored 900 on the SAT are passing the same classes as genius peers who scored 1500 and 1600 and aced 10 AP courses in high school. roll:

NP -- I feel sorry for you that you feel the need to come on this thread and bash students who happen to be great football players and successful at academics. I know you just cannot wrap your head around it, but that's what it's like at Notre Dame. But go ahead and continue to make yourself look like a complete idiot with major issues.

Don’t feel the troll.

Yeah, they are kinda gross and lumpy .

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Pretending they're "different" and that their low IQ football (and basketball, hockey, etc.) recruits can actually handle the school load is the biggest load of B.S. I've ever heard. Same for Stanford and Duke. Unlike public degree mills, neither of these elite colleges offers remedial courses, so pray tell how dumb athletes who test at literally primary and middle school levels finish even one elite university-level course? Rampant fraud and cheating, obviously.

Don’t know about Duke or Stanford but Harvard offers pre-calc. Also Stanford takes AP credit and doesn’t have the Ivy AI index. Show us some stats on ND’s grad rates before you act rude.

The average 3-5 star football, basketball and even hockey and baseball recruit can’t pass algebra 2, which is a 9th grade course at most high schools. But sure, keep pretending they can all go to T20 universities and write university level papers. Must be magic in the air.

Algebra 2 is not a 9th grade course “at most high schools.” And t20 universities have great avg graduation rates across the board. Show me some stats that debunk what I said.

Giving the brutes degrees makes the fraud that much more egregious. But keep pretending idiots who scored 900 on the SAT are passing the same classes as genius peers who scored 1500 and 1600 and aced 10 AP courses in high school. roll:

Still no statistics?

[Anonymous]

ND is full of kids who grew up being told they had to go to ND, and there was no other option. There is absolutely nothing wrong with that but it truly was unlike anything I have ever witnessed in my life.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:ND is full of kids who grew up being told they had to go to ND, and there was no other option. There is absolutely nothing wrong with that but it truly was unlike anything I have ever witnessed in my life.

And that’s different from, say, UVA? Harvard? Yes, ND has a fiercely loyal alumni base. Next question?

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Anonymous wrote:Notre Dame alum here. It’s gotten way, way too conservative and politically inactive. We purposely swayed our kids from applying although DH and I both loved it in our day. (Class of 1987). Notre Dame has changed.

Another ND alum from the same time period here. It wasn't exactly Berkeley then either. How do you square being "way too conservative" with Biden, Clinton, and Obama all handily winning mock elections? Are you bemoaning the fact that there are actually conservatives on campus? Because there sure were in the late 80s too.

Or are you talking about the administration?

The administration but also a lot of the students. It changed drastically after Fr Ted. It’s just not the same “If you want peace - work for justice” institution it used to be. There was a gay club when we were on campus. Fr Ted actually apologized to my gay brother (class of 77) when he visited in the 90’s if anyone made him feel uncomfortable in college. Years later the gay club got kicked off.

Plus (and I’m sure this is true of all universities today) the addiction to technology has made the quads and dining halls so quiet.

I don’t think DH and I got more liberal! ND changed.

[Anonymous]

ND alum again. I will say this in Notre Dame’s favor: they have a sophomore year abroad program that is fantastic and doesn’t screw up your major.

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Anonymous wrote:Notre Dame alum here. It’s gotten way, way too conservative and politically inactive. We purposely swayed our kids from applying although DH and I both loved it in our day. (Class of 1987). Notre Dame has changed.

Another ND alum from the same time period here. It wasn't exactly Berkeley then either. How do you square being "way too conservative" with Biden, Clinton, and Obama all handily winning mock elections? Are you bemoaning the fact that there are actually conservatives on campus? Because there sure were in the late 80s too.

Or are you talking about the administration?

The administration but also a lot of the students. It changed drastically after Fr Ted. It’s just not the same “If you want peace - work for justice” institution it used to be. There was a gay club when we were on campus. Fr Ted actually apologized to my gay brother (class of 77) when he visited in the 90’s if anyone made him feel uncomfortable in college. Years later the gay club got kicked off.

Plus (and I’m sure this is true of all universities today) the addiction to technology has made the quads and dining halls so quiet.

I don’t think DH and I got more liberal! ND changed.

No you couldn't be more wrong. Why don't you spend some time on campus. Jeez.

Regarding the bold..gay club? Of course there isn't a "gay club." That's because they now have "LGBTQ and Allies." So no...not a "gay club" but a organization for a variety of gender identities and the allies. It's 2021, not 1987. Time didn't stand still at ND. Why don't you educate yourself before you spread untruths.