Last minute plan B if schools don’t open?

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Anonymous wrote:I don't have a plan b. I didn't really have one last year, either. It is a real mark of privilege to just be able to pull a backup education and childcare option out of your back pocket at the last minute.

And that's why, if they close schools again (I mean widespread closures, not limited quarantines which I expect at this point), my Plan B is to protest the hell out of it. The only other real alternative for my family would be to move, but obviously that's not an easy proposition for us or we would have done it already. But at this point, I have less to lose by protesting and putting up a big fight than doing anything else. I already know what a year of DL means for my kid and our family, what it means for me, personally. It's not like last year when I thought I could tough it out, or I believed we were doing something important to help others (ha!). Now I know what it is.

So Plan B is showing up at Central Office every day with a megaphone until they do something about this.

I’m be filing a lawsuit. Watch this space!

Watch for the lawsuit I'm be filing if my healthy unvac'ed kid gets long-covid at mandatory in-person elementary school!

you can keep your kid home.

As it stands today, not without leaving DCPS. We can't do that. Hopefully they fix it, and I can have assurances that meals will be outside, or an option for distance learning until kids are vacc'ed or transmission is low.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:If you enroll your kids and the local rates spike,.will they be truant if you keep them out until they subside? I don't care if they have DL in place or what. At some rate of community infection (like DC last fall) I'm not going to be comfy with my unvaccinated kid iN person learning. i personally don't want my kid catching delta. Yes, less harmful yadda yadda. But for some kids it's equally harmful and we do not know the long term effects..I'm personally convinced it's a made , biological weapon best to be avoided including by children (( it's a super weird virus..if it's from the cold family, it's the cold.from war of the worlds IMO.

Oh wow, you believe that Tom Cotton conspiracy theory?

If it's a biological weapon, it's not a very good one a less than 1% fatality rate that kills mostly the elderly and infirm.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I don't have a plan b. I didn't really have one last year, either. It is a real mark of privilege to just be able to pull a backup education and childcare option out of your back pocket at the last minute.

And that's why, if they close schools again (I mean widespread closures, not limited quarantines which I expect at this point), my Plan B is to protest the hell out of it. The only other real alternative for my family would be to move, but obviously that's not an easy proposition for us or we would have done it already. But at this point, I have less to lose by protesting and putting up a big fight than doing anything else. I already know what a year of DL means for my kid and our family, what it means for me, personally. It's not like last year when I thought I could tough it out, or I believed we were doing something important to help others (ha!). Now I know what it is.

So Plan B is showing up at Central Office every day with a megaphone until they do something about this.

I’m be filing a lawsuit. Watch this space!

Watch for the lawsuit I'm be filing if my healthy unvac'ed kid gets long-covid at mandatory in-person elementary school!

you can keep your kid home.

As it stands today, not without leaving DCPS. We can't do that. Hopefully they fix it, and I can have assurances that meals will be outside, or an option for distance learning until kids are vacc'ed or transmission is low.

Transmission is currently lower than it was at almost any point during the 2020-21 school year, especially the part of the year when more kids were back in person.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Sooo... there is nothing that says that the increased virulence is magically restricted to adults.

Remember when we were reading that children could magically never be infected? Or be ill? Or when we read that they magically never could transmit?

This poor NYTimes article came out many long long hours before the WaPo game-changing article on CDC's new understanding of the pandemic.

No, no one said that children couldn't be infected or be ill or transmit. Yes, it is still true that children are less likely to get, be ill from, and (probably) transmit alpha covid.

Yes, delta is being shown to be more transmissible, and that is true for children, as reflected in the articles cited above.

No, you haven't seen anything that says that delta is worse than alpha for kids who contract it.

Yes, there are more cases of delta in children than alpha, because it is more transmissible. Yes, that means that the overall number of kids who get sick from covid (delta) will be higher.

Why don't we....idk....wait for data before losing our minds?

Ohh, you're *that* kind of guy.
The kind that denies the prior batch of untrue placating bullshit, feeds a new fresh heaping, and when that doesn't work, suggests we wait before losing our minds.

DP. Nobody except the dumbest Trumpers ever said that kids "magically" could not be infected, get ill, or transmit. Maybe there were some posters of that ilk here on DCUM as well, but why do you think the PP was among them? That's quite an assumption on an anonymous forum. What sane people here and elsewhere have been emphasizing all along is what you can read in the PP's follow up post - that kids are very unlikely to get severely ill (still true with delta), and less likely than adults to get infected and transmit (probably still true with delta, but maybe less so).

You do sound panicked though, so any nuance in arguments may just have gotten scrambled in your mind.

Just like a year from now you might say "Nobody except the dumbest Trumpers ever said that long-covid didn't exist in children." What many are saying on here amounts to the same thing though. They're saying that it's largely hypothetical, and so rare it should be irrelevant to parenting decisions and policy decisions.

You can speculate all you want about what I or some other anonymous poster might say a year from now. Your assumptions change nothing about the veracity of my post.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Sooo... there is nothing that says that the increased virulence is magically restricted to adults.

Remember when we were reading that children could magically never be infected? Or be ill? Or when we read that they magically never could transmit?

This poor NYTimes article came out many long long hours before the WaPo game-changing article on CDC's new understanding of the pandemic.

No, no one said that children couldn't be infected or be ill or transmit. Yes, it is still true that children are less likely to get, be ill from, and (probably) transmit alpha covid.

Yes, delta is being shown to be more transmissible, and that is true for children, as reflected in the articles cited above.

No, you haven't seen anything that says that delta is worse than alpha for kids who contract it.

Yes, there are more cases of delta in children than alpha, because it is more transmissible. Yes, that means that the overall number of kids who get sick from covid (delta) will be higher.

Why don't we....idk....wait for data before losing our minds?

Ohh, you're *that* kind of guy.
The kind that denies the prior batch of untrue placating bullshit, feeds a new fresh heaping, and when that doesn't work, suggests we wait before losing our minds.

DP. Nobody except the dumbest Trumpers ever said that kids "magically" could not be infected, get ill, or transmit. Maybe there were some posters of that ilk here on DCUM as well, but why do you think the PP was among them? That's quite an assumption on an anonymous forum. What sane people here and elsewhere have been emphasizing all along is what you can read in the PP's follow up post - that kids are very unlikely to get severely ill (still true with delta), and less likely than adults to get infected and transmit (probably still true with delta, but maybe less so).

You do sound panicked though, so any nuance in arguments may just have gotten scrambled in your mind.

Just like a year from now you might say "Nobody except the dumbest Trumpers ever said that long-covid didn't exist in children." What many are saying on here amounts to the same thing though. They're saying that it's largely hypothetical, and so rare it should be irrelevant to parenting decisions and policy decisions.

You can speculate all you want about what I or some other anonymous poster might say a year from now. Your assumptions change nothing about the veracity of my post.

LOL. Somebody just said it one thread over.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Sooo... there is nothing that says that the increased virulence is magically restricted to adults.

Remember when we were reading that children could magically never be infected? Or be ill? Or when we read that they magically never could transmit?

This poor NYTimes article came out many long long hours before the WaPo game-changing article on CDC's new understanding of the pandemic.

No, no one said that children couldn't be infected or be ill or transmit. Yes, it is still true that children are less likely to get, be ill from, and (probably) transmit alpha covid.

Yes, delta is being shown to be more transmissible, and that is true for children, as reflected in the articles cited above.

No, you haven't seen anything that says that delta is worse than alpha for kids who contract it.

Yes, there are more cases of delta in children than alpha, because it is more transmissible. Yes, that means that the overall number of kids who get sick from covid (delta) will be higher.

Why don't we....idk....wait for data before losing our minds?

Ohh, you're *that* kind of guy.
The kind that denies the prior batch of untrue placating bullshit, feeds a new fresh heaping, and when that doesn't work, suggests we wait before losing our minds.

DP. Nobody except the dumbest Trumpers ever said that kids "magically" could not be infected, get ill, or transmit. Maybe there were some posters of that ilk here on DCUM as well, but why do you think the PP was among them? That's quite an assumption on an anonymous forum. What sane people here and elsewhere have been emphasizing all along is what you can read in the PP's follow up post - that kids are very unlikely to get severely ill (still true with delta), and less likely than adults to get infected and transmit (probably still true with delta, but maybe less so).

You do sound panicked though, so any nuance in arguments may just have gotten scrambled in your mind.

Just like a year from now you might say "Nobody except the dumbest Trumpers ever said that long-covid didn't exist in children." What many are saying on here amounts to the same thing though. They're saying that it's largely hypothetical, and so rare it should be irrelevant to parenting decisions and policy decisions.

You can speculate all you want about what I or some other anonymous poster might say a year from now. Your assumptions change nothing about the veracity of my post.

LOL. Somebody just said it one thread over.

"It'd be a lot better and easier to just mandate the vaccine for public employees. We have to start getting back to normal. Kid to kid transmission is very unlikely." Only the dumbest of Trumpers, eh? Even I didn't think people believed that 'ish in 2021. I was reeling about when they said it in 2020.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Sooo... there is nothing that says that the increased virulence is magically restricted to adults.

Remember when we were reading that children could magically never be infected? Or be ill? Or when we read that they magically never could transmit?

This poor NYTimes article came out many long long hours before the WaPo game-changing article on CDC's new understanding of the pandemic.

No, no one said that children couldn't be infected or be ill or transmit. Yes, it is still true that children are less likely to get, be ill from, and (probably) transmit alpha covid.

Yes, delta is being shown to be more transmissible, and that is true for children, as reflected in the articles cited above.

No, you haven't seen anything that says that delta is worse than alpha for kids who contract it.

Yes, there are more cases of delta in children than alpha, because it is more transmissible. Yes, that means that the overall number of kids who get sick from covid (delta) will be higher.

Why don't we....idk....wait for data before losing our minds?

Ohh, you're *that* kind of guy.
The kind that denies the prior batch of untrue placating bullshit, feeds a new fresh heaping, and when that doesn't work, suggests we wait before losing our minds.

DP. Nobody except the dumbest Trumpers ever said that kids "magically" could not be infected, get ill, or transmit. Maybe there were some posters of that ilk here on DCUM as well, but why do you think the PP was among them? That's quite an assumption on an anonymous forum. What sane people here and elsewhere have been emphasizing all along is what you can read in the PP's follow up post - that kids are very unlikely to get severely ill (still true with delta), and less likely than adults to get infected and transmit (probably still true with delta, but maybe less so).

You do sound panicked though, so any nuance in arguments may just have gotten scrambled in your mind.

Just like a year from now you might say "Nobody except the dumbest Trumpers ever said that long-covid didn't exist in children." What many are saying on here amounts to the same thing though. They're saying that it's largely hypothetical, and so rare it should be irrelevant to parenting decisions and policy decisions.

You can speculate all you want about what I or some other anonymous poster might say a year from now. Your assumptions change nothing about the veracity of my post.

LOL. Somebody just said it one thread over.

"It'd be a lot better and easier to just mandate the vaccine for public employees. We have to start getting back to normal. Kid to kid transmission is very unlikely." Only the dumbest of Trumpers, eh? Even I didn't think people believed that 'ish in 2021. I was reeling about when they said it in 2020.

Hey dumbass. Got reading comprehension issues maybe? You literally just proved the PP's point.

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RATES are increasing, PP. Delta is highly contagious even for the vaccinated. CDC just released some scary data.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Sooo... there is nothing that says that the increased virulence is magically restricted to adults.

Remember when we were reading that children could magically never be infected? Or be ill? Or when we read that they magically never could transmit?

This poor NYTimes article came out many long long hours before the WaPo game-changing article on CDC's new understanding of the pandemic.

No, no one said that children couldn't be infected or be ill or transmit. Yes, it is still true that children are less likely to get, be ill from, and (probably) transmit alpha covid.

Yes, delta is being shown to be more transmissible, and that is true for children, as reflected in the articles cited above.

No, you haven't seen anything that says that delta is worse than alpha for kids who contract it.

Yes, there are more cases of delta in children than alpha, because it is more transmissible. Yes, that means that the overall number of kids who get sick from covid (delta) will be higher.

Why don't we....idk....wait for data before losing our minds?

Ohh, you're *that* kind of guy.
The kind that denies the prior batch of untrue placating bullshit, feeds a new fresh heaping, and when that doesn't work, suggests we wait before losing our minds.

DP. Nobody except the dumbest Trumpers ever said that kids "magically" could not be infected, get ill, or transmit. Maybe there were some posters of that ilk here on DCUM as well, but why do you think the PP was among them? That's quite an assumption on an anonymous forum. What sane people here and elsewhere have been emphasizing all along is what you can read in the PP's follow up post - that kids are very unlikely to get severely ill (still true with delta), and less likely than adults to get infected and transmit (probably still true with delta, but maybe less so).

You do sound panicked though, so any nuance in arguments may just have gotten scrambled in your mind.

Just like a year from now you might say "Nobody except the dumbest Trumpers ever said that long-covid didn't exist in children." What many are saying on here amounts to the same thing though. They're saying that it's largely hypothetical, and so rare it should be irrelevant to parenting decisions and policy decisions.

You can speculate all you want about what I or some other anonymous poster might say a year from now. Your assumptions change nothing about the veracity of my post.

LOL. Somebody just said it one thread over.

"It'd be a lot better and easier to just mandate the vaccine for public employees. We have to start getting back to normal. Kid to kid transmission is very unlikely." Only the dumbest of Trumpers, eh? Even I didn't think people believed that 'ish in 2021. I was reeling about when they said it in 2020.

I didn't post that comment, but in 2020, kid to kid transmission in schools, especially when masks were worn but even without, has proved to be indeed very unlikely. When there have been cases in schools and close contacts were tested, here and abroad, these cases usually proved to be isolated.

It remains to be seen to what extent that changes with delta.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:If you enroll your kids and the local rates spike,.will they be truant if you keep them out until they subside? I don't care if they have DL in place or what. At some rate of community infection (like DC last fall) I'm not going to be comfy with my unvaccinated kid iN person learning. i personally don't want my kid catching delta. Yes, less harmful yadda yadda. But for some kids it's equally harmful and we do not know the long term effects..I'm personally convinced it's a made , biological weapon best to be avoided including by children (( it's a super weird virus..if it's from the cold family, it's the cold.from war of the worlds IMO.

Oh wow, you believe that Tom Cotton conspiracy theory?

If it's a biological weapon, it's not a very good one a less than 1% fatality rate that kills mostly the elderly and infirm.

I agree it's not a very good one. I do believe it came from a lab.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I’m terrified. We have no backup plan. I refuse to go through (put my kids through) another year like that.

Is anyone else making a Plan B? What is it? Too late for private school….right?


I think I have PTSD from last July when we were told schools wouldn’t follow their hybrid plan.

If schools close privates will as well. The good ones at least.

This stinks blame the oh so lovely GQP idiots who wouldn't mask up. This is on them.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Sooo... there is nothing that says that the increased virulence is magically restricted to adults.

Remember when we were reading that children could magically never be infected? Or be ill? Or when we read that they magically never could transmit?

This poor NYTimes article came out many long long hours before the WaPo game-changing article on CDC's new understanding of the pandemic.

No, no one said that children couldn't be infected or be ill or transmit. Yes, it is still true that children are less likely to get, be ill from, and (probably) transmit alpha covid.

Yes, delta is being shown to be more transmissible, and that is true for children, as reflected in the articles cited above.

No, you haven't seen anything that says that delta is worse than alpha for kids who contract it.

Yes, there are more cases of delta in children than alpha, because it is more transmissible. Yes, that means that the overall number of kids who get sick from covid (delta) will be higher.

Why don't we....idk....wait for data before losing our minds?

Ohh, you're *that* kind of guy.
The kind that denies the prior batch of untrue placating bullshit, feeds a new fresh heaping, and when that doesn't work, suggests we wait before losing our minds.

DP. Nobody except the dumbest Trumpers ever said that kids "magically" could not be infected, get ill, or transmit. Maybe there were some posters of that ilk here on DCUM as well, but why do you think the PP was among them? That's quite an assumption on an anonymous forum. What sane people here and elsewhere have been emphasizing all along is what you can read in the PP's follow up post - that kids are very unlikely to get severely ill (still true with delta), and less likely than adults to get infected and transmit (probably still true with delta, but maybe less so).

You do sound panicked though, so any nuance in arguments may just have gotten scrambled in your mind.

Just like a year from now you might say "Nobody except the dumbest Trumpers ever said that long-covid didn't exist in children." What many are saying on here amounts to the same thing though. They're saying that it's largely hypothetical, and so rare it should be irrelevant to parenting decisions and policy decisions.

You can speculate all you want about what I or some other anonymous poster might say a year from now. Your assumptions change nothing about the veracity of my post.

LOL. Somebody just said it one thread over.

"It'd be a lot better and easier to just mandate the vaccine for public employees. We have to start getting back to normal. Kid to kid transmission is very unlikely." Only the dumbest of Trumpers, eh? Even I didn't think people believed that 'ish in 2021. I was reeling about when they said it in 2020.

I didn't post that comment, but in 2020, kid to kid transmission in schools, especially when masks were worn but even without, has proved to be indeed very unlikely. When there have been cases in schools and close contacts were tested, here and abroad, these cases usually proved to be isolated.

It remains to be seen to what extent that changes with delta.

Could we do the math now? It is 1000x more transmissable and lives in the nose (which kids like to pick). They said it's more contagious than ebola. Would you sit in a closed classroom with 20 cloth-masked children who might have ebola for 8 hours a day?

[Anonymous]

To pp... covid is worse than the flu but way way better than ebola. Chicken pox is more comparable and schools don't shut down when there is an outbreak. Sick kids just stay home.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I don't have a plan b. I didn't really have one last year, either. It is a real mark of privilege to just be able to pull a backup education and childcare option out of your back pocket at the last minute.

And that's why, if they close schools again (I mean widespread closures, not limited quarantines which I expect at this point), my Plan B is to protest the hell out of it. The only other real alternative for my family would be to move, but obviously that's not an easy proposition for us or we would have done it already. But at this point, I have less to lose by protesting and putting up a big fight than doing anything else. I already know what a year of DL means for my kid and our family, what it means for me, personally. It's not like last year when I thought I could tough it out, or I believed we were doing something important to help others (ha!). Now I know what it is.

So Plan B is showing up at Central Office every day with a megaphone until they do something about this.

I’m be filing a lawsuit. Watch this space!

Watch for the lawsuit I'm be filing if my healthy unvac'ed kid gets long-covid at mandatory in-person elementary school!

you can keep your kid home.

As it stands today, not without leaving DCPS. We can't do that. Hopefully they fix it, and I can have assurances that meals will be outside, or an option for distance learning until kids are vacc'ed or transmission is low.

plenty of spots in KIPP and other online charters.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Sooo... there is nothing that says that the increased virulence is magically restricted to adults.

Remember when we were reading that children could magically never be infected? Or be ill? Or when we read that they magically never could transmit?

This poor NYTimes article came out many long long hours before the WaPo game-changing article on CDC's new understanding of the pandemic.

No, no one said that children couldn't be infected or be ill or transmit. Yes, it is still true that children are less likely to get, be ill from, and (probably) transmit alpha covid.

Yes, delta is being shown to be more transmissible, and that is true for children, as reflected in the articles cited above.

No, you haven't seen anything that says that delta is worse than alpha for kids who contract it.

Yes, there are more cases of delta in children than alpha, because it is more transmissible. Yes, that means that the overall number of kids who get sick from covid (delta) will be higher.

Why don't we....idk....wait for data before losing our minds?

Ohh, you're *that* kind of guy.
The kind that denies the prior batch of untrue placating bullshit, feeds a new fresh heaping, and when that doesn't work, suggests we wait before losing our minds.

DP. Nobody except the dumbest Trumpers ever said that kids "magically" could not be infected, get ill, or transmit. Maybe there were some posters of that ilk here on DCUM as well, but why do you think the PP was among them? That's quite an assumption on an anonymous forum. What sane people here and elsewhere have been emphasizing all along is what you can read in the PP's follow up post - that kids are very unlikely to get severely ill (still true with delta), and less likely than adults to get infected and transmit (probably still true with delta, but maybe less so).

You do sound panicked though, so any nuance in arguments may just have gotten scrambled in your mind.

Just like a year from now you might say "Nobody except the dumbest Trumpers ever said that long-covid didn't exist in children." What many are saying on here amounts to the same thing though. They're saying that it's largely hypothetical, and so rare it should be irrelevant to parenting decisions and policy decisions.

You can speculate all you want about what I or some other anonymous poster might say a year from now. Your assumptions change nothing about the veracity of my post.

LOL. Somebody just said it one thread over.

"It'd be a lot better and easier to just mandate the vaccine for public employees. We have to start getting back to normal. Kid to kid transmission is very unlikely." Only the dumbest of Trumpers, eh? Even I didn't think people believed that 'ish in 2021. I was reeling about when they said it in 2020.

I didn't post that comment, but in 2020, kid to kid transmission in schools, especially when masks were worn but even without, has proved to be indeed very unlikely. When there have been cases in schools and close contacts were tested, here and abroad, these cases usually proved to be isolated.

It remains to be seen to what extent that changes with delta.

Could we do the math now? It is 1000x more transmissable and lives in the nose (which kids like to pick). They said it's more contagious than ebola. Would you sit in a closed classroom with 20 cloth-masked children who might have ebola for 8 hours a day?

It is not 1000x more transmissible. Please stop posting this misinformation over and over.

https://www.yalemedicine.org/news/5-things-to-know-delta-variant-covid