All these new bike lanes that the city put in downturn during the pandemic are dumb

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Are you talking about this report?

https://www.brookings.edu/research/census-2020-data-release/

"Washington, DC’s high growth rate could be emblematic of other cities

One area—not a state—which did well growth-wise in the last decade is Washington, D.C. The District registered an 14.6% growth rate from 2010 to 2020, far surpassing its 5.2% growth from 2000 to 2010, which had followed population losses in each of the previous five decades (Download Table B). Like other major cities, Washington, D.C. benefitted from early-decade gains as young-adult millennials flocked to cities due to stagnating post-Great Recession housing and labor markets in suburbs and smaller-sized places.

While it is true that early-decade gains in the District and other cities shrank as suburban growth picked up, those early growth levels propped up total decade growth for most cities. When the 2020 census results are released for other cities later this year, it is likely that many of them will show improved growth for 2010 to 2020 compared with the previous decade, following Washington, D.C.’s pattern."

Uh, DC is shrinking. The only reason the growth rate was high between 2010 and 2020 is because growth was really high between 2010 and 2015 or so. That growth has been decelerating ever since and the most recent census estimate has us now losing residents. And the census numbers likely understate how much DC is shrinking because if you look at the number of people filing permanent change of address forms with the post office, it is off the charts.

Can you link to this info?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Are you talking about this report?

https://www.brookings.edu/research/census-2020-data-release/

"Washington, DC’s high growth rate could be emblematic of other cities

One area—not a state—which did well growth-wise in the last decade is Washington, D.C. The District registered an 14.6% growth rate from 2010 to 2020, far surpassing its 5.2% growth from 2000 to 2010, which had followed population losses in each of the previous five decades (Download Table B). Like other major cities, Washington, D.C. benefitted from early-decade gains as young-adult millennials flocked to cities due to stagnating post-Great Recession housing and labor markets in suburbs and smaller-sized places.

While it is true that early-decade gains in the District and other cities shrank as suburban growth picked up, those early growth levels propped up total decade growth for most cities. When the 2020 census results are released for other cities later this year, it is likely that many of them will show improved growth for 2010 to 2020 compared with the previous decade, following Washington, D.C.’s pattern."

Uh, DC is shrinking. The only reason the growth rate was high between 2010 and 2020 is because growth was really high between 2010 and 2015 or so. That growth has been decelerating ever since and the most recent census estimate has us now losing residents. And the census numbers likely understate how much DC is shrinking because if you look at the number of people filing permanent change of address forms with the post office, it is off the charts.

LOL not, it isn't shrinking. The census numbers are lower than expected because none of the college students were here and people of color were systematically excluded.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Are you talking about this report?

https://www.brookings.edu/research/census-2020-data-release/

"Washington, DC’s high growth rate could be emblematic of other cities

One area—not a state—which did well growth-wise in the last decade is Washington, D.C. The District registered an 14.6% growth rate from 2010 to 2020, far surpassing its 5.2% growth from 2000 to 2010, which had followed population losses in each of the previous five decades (Download Table B). Like other major cities, Washington, D.C. benefitted from early-decade gains as young-adult millennials flocked to cities due to stagnating post-Great Recession housing and labor markets in suburbs and smaller-sized places.

While it is true that early-decade gains in the District and other cities shrank as suburban growth picked up, those early growth levels propped up total decade growth for most cities. When the 2020 census results are released for other cities later this year, it is likely that many of them will show improved growth for 2010 to 2020 compared with the previous decade, following Washington, D.C.’s pattern."

Uh, DC is shrinking. The only reason the growth rate was high between 2010 and 2020 is because growth was really high between 2010 and 2015 or so. That growth has been decelerating ever since and the most recent census estimate has us now losing residents. And the census numbers likely understate how much DC is shrinking because if you look at the number of people filing permanent change of address forms with the post office, it is off the charts.

LOL not, it isn't shrinking. The census numbers are lower than expected because none of the college students were here and people of color were systematically excluded.

Oh, ok, so all the census numbers are great, except for the 2020 ones when the census bureau suddenly became racist and forgot about college students? ok. there's also the small matter of the huge number of people who have filed permanent change of address forms with the post office in the past year.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Bike lanes are the whitest things ever. There's only one group of people who use bike lanes and they ain't black or brown.

I challenge you to go hand out on the Anacostia River Trail on a nice Saturday and take a census of race. Also remember that bike lanes help make traffic safer, and that black and brown people die disproportionately. https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/69/wr/mm6939a7.htm

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Oh, ok, so all the census numbers are great, except for the 2020 ones when the census bureau suddenly became racist and forgot about college students? ok. there's also the small matter of the huge number of people who have filed permanent change of address forms with the post office in the past year.

What is this "huge number", and what was it in past years?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Bike lanes are the whitest things ever. There's only one group of people who use bike lanes and they ain't black or brown.

I challenge you to go hand out on the Anacostia River Trail on a nice Saturday and take a census of race. Also remember that bike lanes help make traffic safer, and that black and brown people die disproportionately. https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/69/wr/mm6939a7.htm

When you only expect to see white men in bright jerseys on racing bikes, then all you see is white men in bright jerseys on racing bikes. Which is kind of scary for the rest of us people on bikes, who don't fit into that category.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Bike lanes are the whitest things ever. There's only one group of people who use bike lanes and they ain't black or brown.

That's because bike lanes tend to get built in the whiter/more affluent areas (where the affluent Black and Brown people who live there also use them). In the non-white/low-income areas, there aren't many bike lanes, and low-income Black and Brown people have to ride on the sidewalk.

I really, really, really hope you respond that Black and Brown people don't ride bikes, because that's just plain not true.

they ride on the sidewalk or on streets with faster traffic and no bike infrastructure, and possibly at night to commute to and from night jobs, which accounts for higher fatality rates. https://theconversation.com/poor-and-black-invisible-cyclists-need-to-be-part-of-post-pandemic-transport-planning-too-139145

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Bike lanes are the whitest things ever. There's only one group of people who use bike lanes and they ain't black or brown.

I challenge you to go hand out on the Anacostia River Trail on a nice Saturday and take a census of race. Also remember that bike lanes help make traffic safer, and that black and brown people die disproportionately. https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/69/wr/mm6939a7.htm

When you only expect to see white men in bright jerseys on racing bikes, then all you see is white men in bright jerseys on racing bikes. Which is kind of scary for the rest of us people on bikes, who don't fit into that category.

To be fair, on the Anacostia trail you'll see plenty of black men in bright Lycra on very nice bikes

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Bike lanes are the whitest things ever. There's only one group of people who use bike lanes and they ain't black or brown.

I challenge you to go hand out on the Anacostia River Trail on a nice Saturday and take a census of race. Also remember that bike lanes help make traffic safer, and that black and brown people die disproportionately. https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/69/wr/mm6939a7.htm

When you only expect to see white men in bright jerseys on racing bikes, then all you see is white men in bright jerseys on racing bikes. Which is kind of scary for the rest of us people on bikes, who don't fit into that category.

To be fair, on the Anacostia trail you'll see plenty of black men in bright Lycra on very nice bikes

Very true!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Are you talking about this report?

https://www.brookings.edu/research/census-2020-data-release/

"Washington, DC’s high growth rate could be emblematic of other cities

One area—not a state—which did well growth-wise in the last decade is Washington, D.C. The District registered an 14.6% growth rate from 2010 to 2020, far surpassing its 5.2% growth from 2000 to 2010, which had followed population losses in each of the previous five decades (Download Table B). Like other major cities, Washington, D.C. benefitted from early-decade gains as young-adult millennials flocked to cities due to stagnating post-Great Recession housing and labor markets in suburbs and smaller-sized places.

While it is true that early-decade gains in the District and other cities shrank as suburban growth picked up, those early growth levels propped up total decade growth for most cities. When the 2020 census results are released for other cities later this year, it is likely that many of them will show improved growth for 2010 to 2020 compared with the previous decade, following Washington, D.C.’s pattern."

Uh, DC is shrinking. The only reason the growth rate was high between 2010 and 2020 is because growth was really high between 2010 and 2015 or so. That growth has been decelerating ever since and the most recent census estimate has us now losing residents. And the census numbers likely understate how much DC is shrinking because if you look at the number of people filing permanent change of address forms with the post office, it is off the charts.

LOL not, it isn't shrinking. The census numbers are lower than expected because none of the college students were here and people of color were systematically excluded.

Oh, ok, so all the census numbers are great, except for the 2020 ones when the census bureau suddenly became racist and forgot about college students? ok. there's also the small matter of the huge number of people who have filed permanent change of address forms with the post office in the past year.

The 2020 census showed a 14.6 percent increase over 2010. The change between the 2019 estimate and the actual 2020 count demonstrates that actually counting people is more accurate than estimating, not that people are fleeing the city en masse; even if you think you can compare one data source for 2019 to another data source for 2020, the count day was April 1, barely two weeks into the shutdowns and before any of the protests that people keep insisting caused the number to drop from 2019 to 2020. And no one in this thread has linked to any actual source for this claim that huge numbers of people have filed permanent change-of-address forms (or indicated what percentage of them are for out-of-D.C. moves as opposed to moves within the District).

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Are you talking about this report?

https://www.brookings.edu/research/census-2020-data-release/

"Washington, DC’s high growth rate could be emblematic of other cities

One area—not a state—which did well growth-wise in the last decade is Washington, D.C. The District registered an 14.6% growth rate from 2010 to 2020, far surpassing its 5.2% growth from 2000 to 2010, which had followed population losses in each of the previous five decades (Download Table B). Like other major cities, Washington, D.C. benefitted from early-decade gains as young-adult millennials flocked to cities due to stagnating post-Great Recession housing and labor markets in suburbs and smaller-sized places.

While it is true that early-decade gains in the District and other cities shrank as suburban growth picked up, those early growth levels propped up total decade growth for most cities. When the 2020 census results are released for other cities later this year, it is likely that many of them will show improved growth for 2010 to 2020 compared with the previous decade, following Washington, D.C.’s pattern."

Uh, DC is shrinking. The only reason the growth rate was high between 2010 and 2020 is because growth was really high between 2010 and 2015 or so. That growth has been decelerating ever since and the most recent census estimate has us now losing residents. And the census numbers likely understate how much DC is shrinking because if you look at the number of people filing permanent change of address forms with the post office, it is off the charts.

LOL not, it isn't shrinking. The census numbers are lower than expected because none of the college students were here and people of color were systematically excluded.

Oh, ok, so all the census numbers are great, except for the 2020 ones when the census bureau suddenly became racist and forgot about college students? ok. there's also the small matter of the huge number of people who have filed permanent change of address forms with the post office in the past year.

The 2020 census showed a 14.6 percent increase over 2010. The change between the 2019 estimate and the actual 2020 count demonstrates that actually counting people is more accurate than estimating, not that people are fleeing the city en masse; even if you think you can compare one data source for 2019 to another data source for 2020, the count day was April 1, barely two weeks into the shutdowns and before any of the protests that people keep insisting caused the number to drop from 2019 to 2020. And no one in this thread has linked to any actual source for this claim that huge numbers of people have filed permanent change-of-address forms (or indicated what percentage of them are for out-of-D.C. moves as opposed to moves within the District).

There was a Wall Street Journal story on this recently. They said the net number of people leaving DC has doubled in the past year.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

There was a Wall Street Journal story on this recently. They said the net number of people leaving DC has doubled in the past year.

DP. They (whoever they are) said this, based on what?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

There was a Wall Street Journal story on this recently. They said the net number of people leaving DC has doubled in the past year.

DP. They (whoever they are) said this, based on what?

When people move, they file change of address forms with the post office. The post office has a database of everyone who has done that. The Wall Street Journal (and others) have looked at those databases to see how many people were moving during the pandemic. DC was one of the biggest losers nationwide. Probably in part because schools have been closed here longer than almost anywhere else.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

There was a Wall Street Journal story on this recently. They said the net number of people leaving DC has doubled in the past year.

DP. They (whoever they are) said this, based on what?

When people move, they file change of address forms with the post office. The post office has a database of everyone who has done that. The Wall Street Journal (and others) have looked at those databases to see how many people were moving during the pandemic. DC was one of the biggest losers nationwide. Probably in part because schools have been closed here longer than almost anywhere else.

Looks like a net decrease of 5-10,000 households, based on change-of-address forms, in a city with ~285,000 households. So -2%-5% of households. Not exactly mass flight due to nefarious bike lanes.

[Anonymous]

I think the lack of demand for DC is evident from the falling home pric—- hey wait a minute