How will anti-vaxxers lives be limited?

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Anonymous wrote: NP- I think Florida cannot require proof of vaccine by businesses for access. I don't think it applies to schools and employers, but I am not sure. I live in Fl and was listening to them report about this on NPR this afternoon but it just happened to day so I don't know details.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/florida-governor-suspends-all-local-covid-emergency-mandates/ar-BB1gjFjH

Oh ok, looks like it does cover schools. I thought some colleges required it but I don't know. I'm very curious about the local covid mandates. I've been supportive of my kids' schools mask mandate, it is very strict and we have had no in school transmission. Seems like we, the county, should be able to decide this for ourselves.

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Just got an email from kids' schools. TOday does not impact school districts or individual schools. My kids school still has the mask mandate.

[Anonymous]

You know OP, I share your desire to see as many people as possible vaccinated. But delighting in what the unvax can’t do just seems so pointless. Don’t worry about them as individuals - and how their choices may affect them as individuals. People may be making these choices based on misinformation, mistrust, lack of understanding of the underlying science, conspiracy theories, inability to make risk/reward determinations, disinterest is “the common good”, weird Trump stuff I don’t understand, and many many other reasons. We have to figure out how to share info with those willing to hear it. Gloating is really counterproductive. And if you don’t aim to control an individual’s behavior but rather to influence them to fight the virus with you, it doesn’t make any sense.

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Anonymous wrote:I can't figure out how to link to it on my phone, but Forbes has a story out today that workers are starting to be fired across the country for vaccination refusal, including nurses.

The general consensus among lawyers is you can be fired from vaccine refusal.

I absolutely don't want a nurse who hasn't been vaccinated. Or a doctor or dentist. Any of them who refuse vaccines during a reading pandemic should find a different line of work.

Lol

Do you ask when you get to the ER?

Look, these nurses were working all during the pandemic. Saving lives and putting themselves in danger.

I’m sure they appreciate your gratitude.

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Anonymous wrote:Rats! I meant "to 20:07"

I'm that PP. My experience has been-while we haven't had the centralized 'state' mandates so much, between private businesses and local/county ordinances-it hasn't been much different here than most other places (I have family in NE/West Coast states). But I wonder what today's news will change in particular about the local ordinances. I live in a large urban area that votes blue.

I'm the rats PP. I really don't know which way it would go. I expect there would be a bunch of difference responses, and then people would figure it out as they go. Kind of like how everything in this pandemic has been.

We're really living in interesting times, aren't we? Gah.

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Anonymous wrote:You know OP, I share your desire to see as many people as possible vaccinated. But delighting in what the unvax can’t do just seems so pointless. Don’t worry about them as individuals - and how their choices may affect them as individuals. People may be making these choices based on misinformation, mistrust, lack of understanding of the underlying science, conspiracy theories, inability to make risk/reward determinations, disinterest is “the common good”, weird Trump stuff I don’t understand, and many many other reasons. We have to figure out how to share info with those willing to hear it. Gloating is really counterproductive. And if you don’t aim to control an individual’s behavior but rather to influence them to fight the virus with you, it doesn’t make any sense.

I am sympathetic to all of those issues but I still hope that as many places, businesses, schools, institutions, etc. as possible will require vaccination. I will work with anyone's fears or misinformation, etc but in the mean time, we should not be risking ever having another situation like was experienced in 2020 and is continuing. Go with vaccine mandates one thousand percent and work on information campaigns at the same time.

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Anonymous wrote:I can't figure out how to link to it on my phone, but Forbes has a story out today that workers are starting to be fired across the country for vaccination refusal, including nurses.

The general consensus among lawyers is you can be fired from vaccine refusal.

I absolutely don't want a nurse who hasn't been vaccinated. Or a doctor or dentist. Any of them who refuse vaccines during a reading pandemic should find a different line of work.

Lol

Do you ask when you get to the ER?

Look, these nurses were working all during the pandemic. Saving lives and putting themselves in danger.

I’m sure they appreciate your gratitude.

Sorry but I'm not going to be sitting in some exam room or in some dental chair with some idiot health care worker who is needlessly placing patients at risk. If they won't get vaccinated, find another line of work. Truly. Stay out of health care if you won't take basic steps to protect patients.

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Anonymous wrote:Not too keen on vacationing in Florida if they do that. What a bunch of backwards nonsense.

I'm wondering how many businesses are going to be leaving Florida, Montana, and Arkansas because of this. I expect it's going to get down to whether they can attract and keep quality employees and whether it affects their revenue on the whole negatively.

Well, we'll see. I remember what happened with abortion bans and anti-LGBTQ legislations. The big businesses realized it wouldn't be in their best interest to stay.

MT is having a hard time finding and retaining employees because there are so many new (wealthy) people moving and traveling to the state and they can’t match the demand for services. Shortage of service workers was a problem before Covid. It has nothing to do with safety or vaccinating. If you were to visit in early 2021, before vaccines were available to most, you would have found packed restaurants and rapidly declining masking.

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How many large national companies are based in montana? Local businesses can do as they please but large national companies will be under pressure to support vaccinations. So many people have seriously had enough with any anti science nonsense surrounding this virus.

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Anonymous wrote:How many large national companies are based in montana? Local businesses can do as they please but large national companies will be under pressure to support vaccinations. So many people have seriously had enough with any anti science nonsense surrounding this virus.

Yep. And as pointed out by another PP, no large company wants legal liability -- the more employees and patrons you have, the more potential lawsuits. It doesn't even have to be justified -- insurance companies are not going to want to cover the costs of assessment, litigation, and the rest.

I guess governors could try passing executive orders that insurance companies can't raise rates in their states, but I think it's probably time to permit the market to correct itself.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:How many large national companies are based in montana? Local businesses can do as they please but large national companies will be under pressure to support vaccinations. So many people have seriously had enough with any anti science nonsense surrounding this virus.

Yep. And as pointed out by another PP, no large company wants legal liability -- the more employees and patrons you have, the more potential lawsuits. It doesn't even have to be justified -- insurance companies are not going to want to cover the costs of assessment, litigation, and the rest.

I guess governors could try passing executive orders that insurance companies can't raise rates in their states, but I think it's probably time to permit the market to correct itself.

Yes. Imagine a company like carnival cruises allowing unvaxed people on their ships? They need that like they need a hole in the head.

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Ironically, one of the reasons I am not vaccinating yet is TO be limited! The moment I'm vaccinated, everyone will turn to me to do/fix everything again and frankly I'm at my breaking point. We have another house I can escape to if need be and I'd be perfectly happy to not have to live under the constant whiny demands of others.

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Anonymous wrote:Some private Mds will not accept patients that are not vaccinated.

Pfizer is in the final stages of testing a pill that stops Covid infections in its tracks. Once that is out on the market, the idea of requiring a vaccine will fade. You can't mandate a virus that's treatable.

It does make me wonder whether or not there was some deliberate suppression of other medications that could have helped patients recover that are already out on the market. Nothing is foolproof, of course (consider TamiFlu), but there's big money in any drug that can treat a newer virus.

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Anonymous wrote:Also Texas, Idaho, North Dakota, South Dakota, Arizona, Indiana, Alabama, and Georgia have passed or are in the process of passing Passport bans

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/states-are-attempting-to-ban-or-curtail-the-use-of-vaccine-passports/ar-BB1fUdhD

Good. I'll move AZ with the rest of my family if need be

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Some private Mds will not accept patients that are not vaccinated.

Pfizer is in the final stages of testing a pill that stops Covid infections in its tracks. Once that is out on the market, the idea of requiring a vaccine will fade. You can't mandate a virus that's treatable.

It does make me wonder whether or not there was some deliberate suppression of other medications that could have helped patients recover that are already out on the market. Nothing is foolproof, of course (consider TamiFlu), but there's big money in any drug that can treat a newer virus.

Final stages of testing does not equal flooding the market anytime soon. A deliberate suppression of a drug that could save millions? Sigh.

[Anonymous]

I have a friend who is a vaccine skeptic and also very afraid of COVID. So she is mad that all of us around her are not masking any more outdoors, etc.