APS - School Shifts in the Fall?

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Anonymous wrote:I am so sick of the Mary supporters on here talking about how THOUGHTFUL her proposals are. Because her thoughts are terrible. Hand drawn classroom distancing that looks like it was done by a child? Proposing shift schedules while touting her 'understanding' of the school budget? Being totally fine with keeping kids out of school the rest of this year? No, no, no.

Liar. Kids are in school.

My kindergartner is still home 3 days/week despite virtual learning being developmentally inappropriate and there being no safety reason to keep this model. Why should we accept less than Fairfax and Loudoun are able to deliver?

CDC guidelines say otherwise.

How? His class is already sitting together all in one room with the teacher and assistant.

Where do they eat lunch?

In the classroom.

Our youngest kids should be back full time. If you don't believe that is safe, please understand that you are in a shrinking minority of parents. You can call me an APE (I'm not in that group) or a Covidiot (I'm not) or whatever you want, but the truth is that most teachers, parents, and principals think elementary should be back in school full time. We've seen it done safely in states with far larger caseloads and fewer safety precautions (see the entire south last winter, to my surprise). There's no reason we can't do it here.

So they eat <6' apart? Or do they break out into the two rooms for lunch?

Dear lord do none of you eat at restaurants? Do you think schools are active covid wards? Do you understand that children don’t have active transmissible COVID infections at all times? Please for the love of something call a friend who lives elsewhere and ask if their kid died eating lunch indoors? Or maybe ask your friends who go to cava and eat inside if they all died? JUST STOP also maybe do some research. What do you think the hospitalization rate is for kids exactly? Or for parents? It’s not as high as you think it is. In fact is astronomically low. And recognizing covid risk is not denying its understanding it relative to other risks.

Uh, no. I don’t eat at restaurants indoors. I will though after I’m vaccinated this month.

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Anonymous wrote:How does it make Mary look dirty that someone related to Miranda's campaign foia'd Mary's emails?

It looks bad that someone from Mary’s side seems to be trying to dox the person who FOIA’d Mary’s emails. FOIA laws were designed to promote government accountability and the exercise of First Amendment rights, and it is disheartening to see one of Mary’s supporters trying to intimidate people into not availing themselves of FOIA.

Mary’s emails are a legitimate point of discussion in this campaign (even though I’m not personally that interested in them). Intimidation is never an appropriate part of a political campaign.

You aren’t running for Student body president or Prom queen...if you didn’t expect to get FOIA’d when you want to run for public office or want to play some victim card because you are afraid of transparency that doesn’t look good. She seemed very rational and nice before her spoiler alert emails. Now I want to know what’s in her emails. That was a lot of spin if you aren’t worried.

I doubt it’s anything truly interesting. She probably offered up a few suggestions for other schools to turn option instead of McKinley, but that’s about it.

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Anonymous wrote:I don’t understand why anyone cares so much about either of their plans for APS return to school. Everyone wants APS back to normal school. But neither of these candidates will be on the school board when that happens. We will be back in school well before they take office. Let’s find out where they stand on other issues. Oh wait, Miranda has no other issues other than open schools now.

The school board cannot make that happen even if she was on it today. Again, it is up to Dr. Duran to decide. He has decided it’s all or nothing for 4 day return so for now it’s nothing.

And I don't understand how you can not care? Mary certainly isn't pushing for normal. She's pushing for some weird spacing, shift scheduled, ridiculous plan. That's not normal at all. And she's not pushing now to get kids back more days per week when we can. APS is falling further and further behind, and our kids are suffering.

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Anonymous wrote:I don’t understand why anyone cares so much about either of their plans for APS return to school. Everyone wants APS back to normal school. But neither of these candidates will be on the school board when that happens. We will be back in school well before they take office. Let’s find out where they stand on other issues. Oh wait, Miranda has no other issues other than open schools now.

The school board cannot make that happen even if she was on it today. Again, it is up to Dr. Duran to decide. He has decided it’s all or nothing for 4 day return so for now it’s nothing.

And I don't understand how you can not care? Mary certainly isn't pushing for normal. She's pushing for some weird spacing, shift scheduled, ridiculous plan. That's not normal at all. And she's not pushing now to get kids back more days per week when we can. APS is falling further and further behind, and our kids are suffering.

Liar. She isn’t “pushing” for that.

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Anonymous wrote:How does it make Mary look dirty that someone related to Miranda's campaign foia'd Mary's emails?

It looks bad that someone from Mary’s side seems to be trying to dox the person who FOIA’d Mary’s emails. FOIA laws were designed to promote government accountability and the exercise of First Amendment rights, and it is disheartening to see one of Mary’s supporters trying to intimidate people into not availing themselves of FOIA.

Mary’s emails are a legitimate point of discussion in this campaign (even though I’m not personally that interested in them). Intimidation is never an appropriate part of a political campaign.

You aren’t running for Student body president or Prom queen...if you didn’t expect to get FOIA’d when you want to run for public office or want to play some victim card because you are afraid of transparency that doesn’t look good. She seemed very rational and nice before her spoiler alert emails. Now I want to know what’s in her emails. That was a lot of spin if you aren’t worried.

I doubt it’s anything truly interesting. She probably offered up a few suggestions for other schools to turn option instead of McKinley, but that’s about it.

It’s already known that she tried to throw Nottingham and Tuckahoe under the bus. Those communities are not huge fans of her.

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Anonymous wrote:How does it make Mary look dirty that someone related to Miranda's campaign foia'd Mary's emails?

I'm not the OP, but I think I feel the same way. Mary was above all of this foia drama, even getting ahead of the story until someone foia-ed the first foia. Why would anyone spend money to be petty like that?

Unless they decided to play dirty politics like Turner's friends did. The cherry on top is to post to a troll twitter account that just exists to throw APE under the bus.


Mary's campaign looks bad, no matter if she was directly involved or not.

I'm still not following. How do we know it was someone in her campaign?

Again, I'm not the first responder, and maybe they have a better response.

I don't know if it was anyone in her campaign who owns that twitter account. But I agree with the original poster in that it makes both candidates look bad.

Turner's campaign, because one of APE's outspoken members foia-ed Kadera's APS emails, for what purpose, I don't know.

And Kadera's campaign, because not only did someone else decide to foia the foia on her behalf (again, why would you pay APS to foia someone, it is not cheap), but then to post it to a troll twitter account. It's the APES**** twitter account that's making me think someone is a little too invested in bringing down APE and Miranda Turner.


The only thing that's clear is that someone hates APE so much that they may bring Kadera down with them. And that's sad, because I actually have a lot of respect for Mary.

Can you link to the tweet? I can’t find it.

It was on the other thread.
https://twitter.com/ap_eshit

Holy cow that Twitter feed is absolutely batshit.

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Anonymous wrote:How does it make Mary look dirty that someone related to Miranda's campaign foia'd Mary's emails?

I'm not the OP, but I think I feel the same way. Mary was above all of this foia drama, even getting ahead of the story until someone foia-ed the first foia. Why would anyone spend money to be petty like that?

Unless they decided to play dirty politics like Turner's friends did. The cherry on top is to post to a troll twitter account that just exists to throw APE under the bus.


Mary's campaign looks bad, no matter if she was directly involved or not.

I'm still not following. How do we know it was someone in her campaign?

Again, I'm not the first responder, and maybe they have a better response.

I don't know if it was anyone in her campaign who owns that twitter account. But I agree with the original poster in that it makes both candidates look bad.

Turner's campaign, because one of APE's outspoken members foia-ed Kadera's APS emails, for what purpose, I don't know.

And Kadera's campaign, because not only did someone else decide to foia the foia on her behalf (again, why would you pay APS to foia someone, it is not cheap), but then to post it to a troll twitter account. It's the APES**** twitter account that's making me think someone is a little too invested in bringing down APE and Miranda Turner.


The only thing that's clear is that someone hates APE so much that they may bring Kadera down with them. And that's sad, because I actually have a lot of respect for Mary.

Can you link to the tweet? I can’t find it.

It was on the other thread.
https://twitter.com/ap_eshit

Holy cow that Twitter feed is absolutely batshit.

I reported some of those tweets and would encourage others to do the same. They are publishing private communications and encouraging doxxing. That is a seriously mentally ill person.

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Anonymous wrote:How does it make Mary look dirty that someone related to Miranda's campaign foia'd Mary's emails?

I'm not the OP, but I think I feel the same way. Mary was above all of this foia drama, even getting ahead of the story until someone foia-ed the first foia. Why would anyone spend money to be petty like that?

Unless they decided to play dirty politics like Turner's friends did. The cherry on top is to post to a troll twitter account that just exists to throw APE under the bus.


Mary's campaign looks bad, no matter if she was directly involved or not.

I'm still not following. How do we know it was someone in her campaign?

Again, I'm not the first responder, and maybe they have a better response.

I don't know if it was anyone in her campaign who owns that twitter account. But I agree with the original poster in that it makes both candidates look bad.

Turner's campaign, because one of APE's outspoken members foia-ed Kadera's APS emails, for what purpose, I don't know.

And Kadera's campaign, because not only did someone else decide to foia the foia on her behalf (again, why would you pay APS to foia someone, it is not cheap), but then to post it to a troll twitter account. It's the APES**** twitter account that's making me think someone is a little too invested in bringing down APE and Miranda Turner.

The only thing that's clear is that someone hates APE so much that they may bring Kadera down with them. And that's sad, because I actually have a lot of respect for Mary.

Huh? That still doesn't make any sense. Anyone can FOIA - that doesn't mean it was "on her behalf".

Now, just for giggles, I want to FOIA the FOIAer of the FOIA.

Anyone can FOIA, but the real question is why someone would FOIA something just to scoop a story on a Twitter account with less than 15 followers? FOIAs can cost hundreds of dollars. Why would someone outside of Kadera's camapaign's spend that kind of money? In any case, Mary's campaign I think has some damage control to do. If it was a bad actor just making drama, then I hope they do get exposed.

Neighborhood rumor (as in, spitting distance from the house where it supposedly happened) has it the person behind the Twitter account and the FOIA of the FOIA is the lawyer guy who has been promoting the Twitter account on AEM.

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Someone told me about this thread last night, and DCUM doesn't disappoint. I don't care on what side of the back to school discussion you fall on or who you're voting for, but that Twitter account is batshit. I can see now why many children here are entitled brats. Just look at the parents.

Interesting that the Twitter handle can be traced back to the Smart Restart group, from what I've read here. Yikes, and I recognize those followers as people who have been very active in the virtual and "safety" side of the school debate. I thought they were better than that. They certainly do hold themselves up as the do-gooders of Arlington.

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Anonymous wrote:Someone told me about this thread last night, and DCUM doesn't disappoint. I don't care on what side of the back to school discussion you fall on or who you're voting for, but that Twitter account is batshit. I can see now why many children here are entitled brats. Just look at the parents.

Interesting that the Twitter handle can be traced back to the Smart Restart group, from what I've read here. Yikes, and I recognize those followers as people who have been very active in the virtual and "safety" side of the school debate. I thought they were better than that. They certainly do hold themselves up as the do-gooders of Arlington.

Is it a coincidence that the one person who liked all the tweets was also rumored to be involved in last year’s caucus drama?

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Just realizing two things, in the email where she wanted to get out all of the background on her emails and she apparently was so concerned about this she mentions nothing about advocating to open schools, or worrying about how this was affecting the inequity APS revealed in test scores and failing grades (something I think came out because, wait for it, a FOIA was done) or how essential workers needed childcare so they could continue to work while the rest of us hid in our houses (something even NY recognized in the spring of 2020). Did she email or do anything to try to advocate to speak on behalf of the inequities distance learning caused? She claims equity is one of her big things but it sounds like she didnt care about last spring when my kids got zero instruction and this year when literacy rates plummeted. Does she only care about McKinley boundaries? Does she only care if it’s her kids effected? Bet she’s one who would say they “thrived” while mine regressed and are now behind all their friends who went to private school. If she cared about equity there should be weekly emails asking them to vote and asking how they are going to deal with recovery from this past year. So if she wants to say she cares about equity or more than just boundaries (the only thing I think our board cares about now it seems) then prove it. Show us the emails where you advocate for safety measures to reopen faster, where you cared about widening gaps in testing scores, where you cared that working parents have had no childcare to go do their jobs like nurses, doctors and childcare providers. You cannot claim to care about equity and then say you want a dashboard (wth is that) and been completely silent the past year. Show us the work you did to advocate for solving more than just boundaries. If you can’t then you are the exact same as who we have now and look how well that’s gone.

Second, does no one recognize the hypocrisy of being upset over a FOIA of a candidate for elected office (maybe to see my point above? Maybe Mary should just release her emails to prove she had any concern over no new instruction or distance learning) but are fine with the FOIA of a private citizen? And then whoever did the FOIA of the FOIA (should be easy to figure out I’d imagine) goes and creates a troll account to go after their neighbors? Then a well known attorney posts the Twitter account using their real name on AEM? Is this real life? A dc super law potentially made a Twitter account to go after fellow parents? And then posts about it on AEM?

I may have slept through these caucuses in the past because I was fine with the status quo here in Arlington (I actually thought we cared about kids and things like libraries) but no longer will I let the arl dem establishment pick my candidates. We’ve all woken up and they should be concerned. The NY Times was right - I’ve been radicalized into paying attention.

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Anonymous wrote:Just realizing two things, in the email where she wanted to get out all of the background on her emails and she apparently was so concerned about this she mentions nothing about advocating to open schools, or worrying about how this was affecting the inequity APS revealed in test scores and failing grades (something I think came out because, wait for it, a FOIA was done) or how essential workers needed childcare so they could continue to work while the rest of us hid in our houses (something even NY recognized in the spring of 2020). Did she email or do anything to try to advocate to speak on behalf of the inequities distance learning caused? She claims equity is one of her big things but it sounds like she didnt care about last spring when my kids got zero instruction and this year when literacy rates plummeted. Does she only care about McKinley boundaries? Does she only care if it’s her kids effected? Bet she’s one who would say they “thrived” while mine regressed and are now behind all their friends who went to private school. If she cared about equity there should be weekly emails asking them to vote and asking how they are going to deal with recovery from this past year. So if she wants to say she cares about equity or more than just boundaries (the only thing I think our board cares about now it seems) then prove it. Show us the emails where you advocate for safety measures to reopen faster, where you cared about widening gaps in testing scores, where you cared that working parents have had no childcare to go do their jobs like nurses, doctors and childcare providers. You cannot claim to care about equity and then say you want a dashboard (wth is that) and been completely silent the past year. Show us the work you did to advocate for solving more than just boundaries. If you can’t then you are the exact same as who we have now and look how well that’s gone.

Second, does no one recognize the hypocrisy of being upset over a FOIA of a candidate for elected office (maybe to see my point above? Maybe Mary should just release her emails to prove she had any concern over no new instruction or distance learning) but are fine with the FOIA of a private citizen? And then whoever did the FOIA of the FOIA (should be easy to figure out I’d imagine) goes and creates a troll account to go after their neighbors? Then a well known attorney posts the Twitter account using their real name on AEM? Is this real life? A dc super law potentially made a Twitter account to go after fellow parents? And then posts about it on AEM?

I may have slept through these caucuses in the past because I was fine with the status quo here in Arlington (I actually thought we cared about kids and things like libraries) but no longer will I let the arl dem establishment pick my candidates. We’ve all woken up and they should be concerned. The NY Times was right - I’ve been radicalized into paying attention.

The irrational anti-science people have driven political discourse into the toilet.

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Yup. At least four prominent members of SR follow that crazy twitter account. I recognize all of their names from belonging to that Facebook group. I don't know if it is the lawyer guy who created it, but I just lost a lot of respect for all of them. Too bad. I thought they cared about safe schools. They just care more about drama and getting one up on APE, it seems.

[Anonymous]

Oh wow. Why would someone think it is a good idea to dox a community member and post it to Twitter? You can argue that they should have foia Miranda Turner's emails to the board since she's running for public office (like Mary Kadera), but why would someone foia the foia?

I'm so confused.

[Anonymous]

Both sides are batsh**. Let’s not pretend any of the APEs care about the kids at Carlin Springs whose families elected by a very large margin to remain virtual. As someone tangentially connected to CCPTA, that’s what they were busy doing. Coordinating support, food, clothing, school supplies, books, for the kids at that and other Title 1 schools and listening to those families rather than telling them that their kids need to go back to further our own agendas. That’s structural racism and nice white parenting, if I’ve ever seen it.