APS - why are teachers so terrified?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Here’s an idea... could this be cumulative? Maybe after years of buying their students supplies, snacks, and clothes, then being asked to be a human shield in a shooting, they decided that this was just too much?

After all we've asked of teachers over the years, it's disappointing that so many parents aren't stepping up to support teachers. In fact, some vile parents are ATTACKING teachers. So disgusting.

I strongly support teachers, and reached out to my kid’s homeroom teacher just yesterday to offer targeted support. But let’s not pretend that those attacks are a one way street. I have seen insults lodged at parents, by teachers, in social media and anonymously as well. Both groups doing the attacking are in the minority, and both should be called out.

And who do you think started the attacks?

Hint: not the teachers.

When you disparaged teachers at a personal level what did you expect would happen. Next time, think twice vectors you crap on someone.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:If the teacher doesn’t think the vaccine works then why did she take one based on her status as a teacher?

I feel like despite all of the evidence that it would save the most lives to vaccinate in order of age/health status rather than how we have done it this is the path we went down. Unfortunately having to go back in the classroom is the other side of the coin.

If doctors would quit telling their patients that their family members aren’t protected, people would fee a lot better.

Nope. It is always better to tell the truth and not hide the truth. ALWAYS. Even when the truth about life-and-death issues hurts.

But the truth is that the vaccines are about 90% effective at preventing transmission from a vaccinated person to an unvaccinated person, so that's really, really good!

Maybe some of the teachers have health-related anxieties so that 10% really churns in their head.

Think about how fixated and irrational some parents are about teachers and “teachers’ unions” (demonstrated countless times here on DCUM). Maybe teachers are suffering mentally as well.

Cut them some slack.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:If the teacher doesn’t think the vaccine works then why did she take one based on her status as a teacher?

I feel like despite all of the evidence that it would save the most lives to vaccinate in order of age/health status rather than how we have done it this is the path we went down. Unfortunately having to go back in the classroom is the other side of the coin.

If doctors would quit telling their patients that their family members aren’t protected, people would fee a lot better.

Nope. It is always better to tell the truth and not hide the truth. ALWAYS. Even when the truth about life-and-death issues hurts.

But the truth is that the vaccines are about 90% effective at preventing transmission from a vaccinated person to an unvaccinated person, so that's really, really good!

Maybe some of the teachers have health-related anxieties so that 10% really churns in their head.

Think about how fixated and irrational some parents are about teachers and “teachers’ unions” (demonstrated countless times here on DCUM). Maybe teachers are suffering mentally as well.

Cut them some slack.

I wasn't arguing about health related anxieties (though it's only somewhere between a 6% chance 2 weeks after the first dose and a 4% chance a week after the second dose of actually getting COVID yourself, 10% chance of passing it on). I was simply saying doctors should tell the truth about how amazing the vaccine is.

I'm going in as a classroom monitor part-time. Won't get my first dose of the vaccine until 10 days after I start because I applied late. Even though I'm healthy and I've read all the good COVID-in-schools news (as well as whatever of the bad as I could find, just to be balanced), I still have a gut level nervousness. I get it. I had the same gut-level nervousness when returning to my other part-time job in spring after a few weeks at home. It's just something you have to force yourself to do, and then it gets easier. This article puts it well:

Sleeper [a teacher] knows it will be hard for teachers to return. "I have had a lot of teachers in the district who were opposed in the beginning of the year and not because we don't love kids, but because there was that real feeling they themselves were going to get sick."

What's made the difference for her is seeing what has happened with the protocols set by the district and their enforcement.

"The only way to see it is to live through it. And I know that's hard 'cause you have to get over that fear to get into the classroom," Sleeper said.

https://www.cnn.com/2021/02/25/us/education-ohio-high-school-open-wellness/index.html

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:If the teacher doesn’t think the vaccine works then why did she take one based on her status as a teacher?

I feel like despite all of the evidence that it would save the most lives to vaccinate in order of age/health status rather than how we have done it this is the path we went down. Unfortunately having to go back in the classroom is the other side of the coin.

If doctors would quit telling their patients that their family members aren’t protected, people would fee a lot better.

Nope. It is always better to tell the truth and not hide the truth. ALWAYS. Even when the truth about life-and-death issues hurts.

But the truth is that the vaccines are about 90% effective at preventing transmission from a vaccinated person to an unvaccinated person, so that's really, really good!

Maybe some of the teachers have health-related anxieties so that 10% really churns in their head.

Think about how fixated and irrational some parents are about teachers and “teachers’ unions” (demonstrated countless times here on DCUM). Maybe teachers are suffering mentally as well.

Cut them some slack.

I wasn't arguing about health related anxieties (though it's only somewhere between a 6% chance 2 weeks after the first dose and a 4% chance a week after the second dose of actually getting COVID yourself, 10% chance of passing it on). I was simply saying doctors should tell the truth about how amazing the vaccine is.

I'm going in as a classroom monitor part-time. Won't get my first dose of the vaccine until 10 days after I start because I applied late. Even though I'm healthy and I've read all the good COVID-in-schools news (as well as whatever of the bad as I could find, just to be balanced), I still have a gut level nervousness. I get it. I had the same gut-level nervousness when returning to my other part-time job in spring after a few weeks at home. It's just something you have to force yourself to do, and then it gets easier. This article puts it well:

Sleeper [a teacher] knows it will be hard for teachers to return. "I have had a lot of teachers in the district who were opposed in the beginning of the year and not because we don't love kids, but because there was that real feeling they themselves were going to get sick."

What's made the difference for her is seeing what has happened with the protocols set by the district and their enforcement.

"The only way to see it is to live through it. And I know that's hard 'cause you have to get over that fear to get into the classroom," Sleeper said.

https://www.cnn.com/2021/02/25/us/education-ohio-high-school-open-wellness/index.html

Yes, here is hoping that everyone with anxieties and other mental ailments can get some relief soon.

[Anonymous]

It’s really easy to call somebody else anxious. Sometimes it’s a normal healthy response to danger. That’s non-specific to the situation. I’m just sharing that because it gets handed out like a little mean treat when someone else isn’t in perfect alignment with your viewpoint.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:It’s really easy to call somebody else anxious. Sometimes it’s a normal healthy response to danger. That’s non-specific to the situation. I’m just sharing that because it gets handed out like a little mean treat when someone else isn’t in perfect alignment with your viewpoint.

There are plenty of people, teachers included, with health-related anxieties that may make it more difficult for them to return to work (classroom) even after vaccinated.

It’s nothing to be ashamed of.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Here’s an idea... could this be cumulative? Maybe after years of buying their students supplies, snacks, and clothes, then being asked to be a human shield in a shooting, they decided that this was just too much?

After all we've asked of teachers over the years, it's disappointing that so many parents aren't stepping up to support teachers. In fact, some vile parents are ATTACKING teachers. So disgusting.

I strongly support teachers, and reached out to my kid’s homeroom teacher just yesterday to offer targeted support. But let’s not pretend that those attacks are a one way street. I have seen insults lodged at parents, by teachers, in social media and anonymously as well. Both groups doing the attacking are in the minority, and both should be called out.

And who do you think started the attacks?

Hint: not the teachers.

When you disparaged teachers at a personal level what did you expect would happen. Next time, think twice vectors you crap on someone.

HINT: It was the teachers

it started back in August when we should have had kids in school.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It’s really easy to call somebody else anxious. Sometimes it’s a normal healthy response to danger. That’s non-specific to the situation. I’m just sharing that because it gets handed out like a little mean treat when someone else isn’t in perfect alignment with your viewpoint.

There are plenty of people, teachers included, with health-related anxieties that may make it more difficult for them to return to work (classroom) even after vaccinated.

It’s nothing to be ashamed of.

Absolutely! I don’t think that there’s anything wrong with that. But I also see folks using the term anxiety and anxious as a weapon. That’s deeply not OK.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It’s really easy to call somebody else anxious. Sometimes it’s a normal healthy response to danger. That’s non-specific to the situation. I’m just sharing that because it gets handed out like a little mean treat when someone else isn’t in perfect alignment with your viewpoint.

There are plenty of people, teachers included, with health-related anxieties that may make it more difficult for them to return to work (classroom) even after vaccinated.

It’s nothing to be ashamed of.

Absolutely! I don’t think that there’s anything wrong with that. But I also see folks using the term anxiety and anxious as a weapon. That’s deeply not OK.

I do think some parents need to step back and reflect on their actions. Misdirecting their frustrations and anxieties on teachers is deeply harmful.

It’s been a tough time for many people. But that doesn’t give them the right to hurt others.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It’s really easy to call somebody else anxious. Sometimes it’s a normal healthy response to danger. That’s non-specific to the situation. I’m just sharing that because it gets handed out like a little mean treat when someone else isn’t in perfect alignment with your viewpoint.

There are plenty of people, teachers included, with health-related anxieties that may make it more difficult for them to return to work (classroom) even after vaccinated.

It’s nothing to be ashamed of.

Absolutely! I don’t think that there’s anything wrong with that. But I also see folks using the term anxiety and anxious as a weapon. That’s deeply not OK.

100% this. Your health anxieties are not a reason to not be in the classroom. Health anxiety =/= health issue. You need a new profession if this is the case.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It’s really easy to call somebody else anxious. Sometimes it’s a normal healthy response to danger. That’s non-specific to the situation. I’m just sharing that because it gets handed out like a little mean treat when someone else isn’t in perfect alignment with your viewpoint.

There are plenty of people, teachers included, with health-related anxieties that may make it more difficult for them to return to work (classroom) even after vaccinated.

It’s nothing to be ashamed of.

Absolutely! I don’t think that there’s anything wrong with that. But I also see folks using the term anxiety and anxious as a weapon. That’s deeply not OK.

100% this. Your health anxieties are not a reason to not be in the classroom. Health anxiety =/= health issue. You need a new profession if this is the case.

Point missed. Utterly.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It’s really easy to call somebody else anxious. Sometimes it’s a normal healthy response to danger. That’s non-specific to the situation. I’m just sharing that because it gets handed out like a little mean treat when someone else isn’t in perfect alignment with your viewpoint.

There are plenty of people, teachers included, with health-related anxieties that may make it more difficult for them to return to work (classroom) even after vaccinated.

It’s nothing to be ashamed of.

Absolutely! I don’t think that there’s anything wrong with that. But I also see folks using the term anxiety and anxious as a weapon. That’s deeply not OK.

100% this. Your health anxieties are not a reason to not be in the classroom. Health anxiety =/= health issue. You need a new profession if this is the case.

F off, loser.

[Anonymous]

Most of the teachers I’ve spoken to are psyched to return to this classroom and are all hoping for 5 days a week normal school next year.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Most of you are not going into the office for the foreseeable future. I work in person. Not a teacher. Vaccinated. But I understand their hesitation. If you weren’t loaded with protective survival instinct reactions you might have done empathy. All of the classrooms need more ventilation and open doors. The kids need to go in, but if student families are offered the choice or virtual or hybrid it follows the instructor should as well. The vaccine isn’t 100%. It will be safer than not having it, but it’s not a negligible risk we’re all about to join in on. To not allow this onto our thought process underserved us all.

That said. We’re in hybrid. And while our 5 year old has a new teacher, we’re thankful for the opportunity. I do hope their teacher isn’t there under duress, we’ll do everything we can to not deepen that. Masks on.

I work for a covid vaccine company. Our researchers working on covid have been in person the whole time and vaccinated employees are 100% expected to be back in the office with masks. It's literally a company run by scientists.

By the time you multiple the APS measures with the vaccine, the risk really is negligible. That's where you're wrong.

Except that your staff is entirely vaccinated. These children aren’t. And our parents are not keeping the kids apart. And most of the kids aren’t wearing masks when they’re together outside of school. it’s not the same situation.

Also I’m not saying that they shouldn’t be in. Who can work and feels confident in the situation should absolutely be in.

Can we please stop talking about how people feel and start looking at data? You can't feel covid. I see posts on other boards and people say things like "I went to the indoor trampoline park and it was a little crowded, but I felt safe" or "Disney was great and felt so safe" or "I go to yoga every week and it totally feels safe." Total hogwash. You can't feel covid. It's the same with teachers. They "feel" unsafe without any data to back that up. You can't feel covid. The vaccine data is great. That's what we need to be looking at.

Awesome, sign up to be a classroom assistant. They need them

So tired of this lame response. Many of us have jobs and/or small children at home. I'm not leaving my 4 year old home alone to supervise a group zoom session.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Most of the teachers I’ve spoken to are psyched to return to this classroom and are all hoping for 5 days a week normal school next year.

Yup. This is true. Also, most parents are normal people who appreciate the work teachers put in. Unfortunately crazy people are loud on the internet.