WTU meeting updates?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I have said on this and every single other thread for the past 4 months that the union was NOT going to strike. I’ve been called names, told I was dumb and didn’t understand how I junk a worker, told teachers are disgusting people etc. The only people on this board who have been ruling people up like this have a alternative agenda.

I’m so concerned that people in this educated of an area can fall for fake news and trolls just like lower educated areas. It really is concerning.

they did strike in November- did you miss that? And they are literally taking a poll on striking now.

They didn’t strike lol
That’s like saying you skipped school when you’re mom called you in sick!

DCPS filed a complaint against the union and called it a strike, which it was. Had it not been rescinded based on the terms of the MOA the PERB would have ruled on as a strike and fined the union. That was part of the terms of the MOA. I'm not sure if you are being intentionally clueless, lol.

Not every collective action is a strike, even if DCPS calls it one. Not even half of the teachers participated in it.

All of the keyboard warriors on this forum love acting like they know everything about unions, it’s hilarious and frankly kind of pathetic. You think union members get sick leave when they strike? You think students have asynchronous work assigned to them during a teacher strike? Please.

it was a strike, obviously. it’s honestly painful to know you must be a DCPS teacher.

You can call it a strike if you want, but it's honestly painful to know you must not be a labor and employment lawyer. A one-day sick-out is a collective action, true, but it is not a strike.

The length is irrelevant. DCPS cancelled return, so the WTU won. No one knows if it would have been only one day if DCPS hadn't caved.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:New WTU email from tonight:

Over the past two days, the WTU membership has had a spirited, democratic debate. As we make a determination on our path forward, the leadership of the WTU wants to ensure that all members of our bargaining unit are heard and are aware of the consequences of moving forward.

The following poll is not an official vote; it is a poll to find out people's opinions and willingness to engage in collective actions. If it is determined that we need to move forward with a Collective Action, there will be a protocol to follow, including a secret ballot authorization vote.

We have an obligation to hear what actions you believe we should take. And any action we must do in solidarity. But we also have the obligation to ensure everyone knows the law we operate under. Unlike in Chicago or LA whose state law allows strikes, If we take action to remain remote or otherwise vote to initiate a work stoppage and we cannot secure an appropriate settlement with DC Public Schools the action may result in penalties against you, up to and including termination of your employment, and to the Union, up to and including fines and decertification. Of course we would fight it, and of course we are stronger together, but the leadership has the moral obligation to tell you the law.

Is this real? If so, I can’t believe your members are leaking this to DCUM.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I have said on this and every single other thread for the past 4 months that the union was NOT going to strike. I’ve been called names, told I was dumb and didn’t understand how I junk a worker, told teachers are disgusting people etc. The only people on this board who have been ruling people up like this have a alternative agenda.

I’m so concerned that people in this educated of an area can fall for fake news and trolls just like lower educated areas. It really is concerning.

they did strike in November- did you miss that? And they are literally taking a poll on striking now.

They didn’t strike lol
That’s like saying you skipped school when you’re mom called you in sick!

DCPS filed a complaint against the union and called it a strike, which it was. Had it not been rescinded based on the terms of the MOA the PERB would have ruled on as a strike and fined the union. That was part of the terms of the MOA. I'm not sure if you are being intentionally clueless, lol.

Not every collective action is a strike, even if DCPS calls it one. Not even half of the teachers participated in it.

All of the keyboard warriors on this forum love acting like they know everything about unions, it’s hilarious and frankly kind of pathetic. You think union members get sick leave when they strike? You think students have asynchronous work assigned to them during a teacher strike? Please.

it was a strike, obviously. it’s honestly painful to know you must be a DCPS teacher.

You can call it a strike if you want, but it's honestly painful to know you must not be a labor and employment lawyer. A one-day sick-out is a collective action, true, but it is not a strike.

The length is irrelevant. DCPS cancelled return, so the WTU won. No one knows if it would have been only one day if DCPS hadn't caved.

DCPS didn't cave or cancel return based on the sick-out. October 30th or so the PERB ruling forced DCPS to throw out the staffing survey and DCPS couldn't staff schools unless they ordered everyone back. The sick-out was a meaningless exercise orchestrated by the union that has been perceived as a win by the WTU.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:New WTU email from tonight:

Over the past two days, the WTU membership has had a spirited, democratic debate. As we make a determination on our path forward, the leadership of the WTU wants to ensure that all members of our bargaining unit are heard and are aware of the consequences of moving forward.

The following poll is not an official vote; it is a poll to find out people's opinions and willingness to engage in collective actions. If it is determined that we need to move forward with a Collective Action, there will be a protocol to follow, including a secret ballot authorization vote.

We have an obligation to hear what actions you believe we should take. And any action we must do in solidarity. But we also have the obligation to ensure everyone knows the law we operate under. Unlike in Chicago or LA whose state law allows strikes, If we take action to remain remote or otherwise vote to initiate a work stoppage and we cannot secure an appropriate settlement with DC Public Schools the action may result in penalties against you, up to and including termination of your employment, and to the Union, up to and including fines and decertification. Of course we would fight it, and of course we are stronger together, but the leadership has the moral obligation to tell you the law.

Is this real? If so, I can’t believe your members are leaking this to DCUM.

Yes it’s real. And yes people leak. And yes it’s terrible.

[Anonymous]

So I guess they’re not even going to attempt to spin it as legal. I’m shocked they would send such a stark email.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:New WTU email from tonight:

Over the past two days, the WTU membership has had a spirited, democratic debate. As we make a determination on our path forward, the leadership of the WTU wants to ensure that all members of our bargaining unit are heard and are aware of the consequences of moving forward.

The following poll is not an official vote; it is a poll to find out people's opinions and willingness to engage in collective actions. If it is determined that we need to move forward with a Collective Action, there will be a protocol to follow, including a secret ballot authorization vote.

We have an obligation to hear what actions you believe we should take. And any action we must do in solidarity. But we also have the obligation to ensure everyone knows the law we operate under. Unlike in Chicago or LA whose state law allows strikes, If we take action to remain remote or otherwise vote to initiate a work stoppage and we cannot secure an appropriate settlement with DC Public Schools the action may result in penalties against you, up to and including termination of your employment, and to the Union, up to and including fines and decertification. Of course we would fight it, and of course we are stronger together, but the leadership has the moral obligation to tell you the law.

Is this real? If so, I can’t believe your members are leaking this to DCUM.

Yes it’s real. And yes people leak. And yes it’s terrible.

I wasn’t aware it was private or confidential.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I have said on this and every single other thread for the past 4 months that the union was NOT going to strike. I’ve been called names, told I was dumb and didn’t understand how I junk a worker, told teachers are disgusting people etc. The only people on this board who have been ruling people up like this have a alternative agenda.

I’m so concerned that people in this educated of an area can fall for fake news and trolls just like lower educated areas. It really is concerning.

they did strike in November- did you miss that? And they are literally taking a poll on striking now.

They didn’t strike lol
That’s like saying you skipped school when you’re mom called you in sick!

DCPS filed a complaint against the union and called it a strike, which it was. Had it not been rescinded based on the terms of the MOA the PERB would have ruled on as a strike and fined the union. That was part of the terms of the MOA. I'm not sure if you are being intentionally clueless, lol.

Not every collective action is a strike, even if DCPS calls it one. Not even half of the teachers participated in it.

All of the keyboard warriors on this forum love acting like they know everything about unions, it’s hilarious and frankly kind of pathetic. You think union members get sick leave when they strike? You think students have asynchronous work assigned to them during a teacher strike? Please.

it was a strike, obviously. it’s honestly painful to know you must be a DCPS teacher.

You can call it a strike if you want, but it's honestly painful to know you must not be a labor and employment lawyer. A one-day sick-out is a collective action, true, but it is not a strike.

The length is irrelevant. DCPS cancelled return, so the WTU won. No one knows if it would have been only one day if DCPS hadn't caved.

DCPS didn't cave or cancel return based on the sick-out. October 30th or so the PERB ruling forced DCPS to throw out the staffing survey and DCPS couldn't staff schools unless they ordered everyone back. The sick-out was a meaningless exercise orchestrated by the union that has been perceived as a win by the WTU.

I don't mean to suggest that the sick out had anything to do w/ DCPS caving... But since they did cave, obviously the sick out ended. So the fact it was only one day has no bearing on whether it was illegal under the WTU's contract.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:New WTU email from tonight:

Over the past two days, the WTU membership has had a spirited, democratic debate. As we make a determination on our path forward, the leadership of the WTU wants to ensure that all members of our bargaining unit are heard and are aware of the consequences of moving forward.

The following poll is not an official vote; it is a poll to find out people's opinions and willingness to engage in collective actions. If it is determined that we need to move forward with a Collective Action, there will be a protocol to follow, including a secret ballot authorization vote.

We have an obligation to hear what actions you believe we should take. And any action we must do in solidarity. But we also have the obligation to ensure everyone knows the law we operate under. Unlike in Chicago or LA whose state law allows strikes, If we take action to remain remote or otherwise vote to initiate a work stoppage and we cannot secure an appropriate settlement with DC Public Schools the action may result in penalties against you, up to and including termination of your employment, and to the Union, up to and including fines and decertification. Of course we would fight it, and of course we are stronger together, but the leadership has the moral obligation to tell you the law.

Is this real? If so, I can’t believe your members are leaking this to DCUM.

Yes it’s real. And yes people leak. And yes it’s terrible.

I wasn’t aware it was private or confidential.

I just assume all union business is confidential until the union speaks to management. But maybe I’m conservative.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I have said on this and every single other thread for the past 4 months that the union was NOT going to strike. I’ve been called names, told I was dumb and didn’t understand how I junk a worker, told teachers are disgusting people etc. The only people on this board who have been ruling people up like this have a alternative agenda.

I’m so concerned that people in this educated of an area can fall for fake news and trolls just like lower educated areas. It really is concerning.

they did strike in November- did you miss that? And they are literally taking a poll on striking now.

They didn’t strike lol
That’s like saying you skipped school when you’re mom called you in sick!

DCPS filed a complaint against the union and called it a strike, which it was. Had it not been rescinded based on the terms of the MOA the PERB would have ruled on as a strike and fined the union. That was part of the terms of the MOA. I'm not sure if you are being intentionally clueless, lol.

Not every collective action is a strike, even if DCPS calls it one. Not even half of the teachers participated in it.

All of the keyboard warriors on this forum love acting like they know everything about unions, it’s hilarious and frankly kind of pathetic. You think union members get sick leave when they strike? You think students have asynchronous work assigned to them during a teacher strike? Please.

it was a strike, obviously. it’s honestly painful to know you must be a DCPS teacher.

You can call it a strike if you want, but it's honestly painful to know you must not be a labor and employment lawyer. A one-day sick-out is a collective action, true, but it is not a strike.

The length is irrelevant. DCPS cancelled return, so the WTU won. No one knows if it would have been only one day if DCPS hadn't caved.

DCPS didn't cave or cancel return based on the sick-out. October 30th or so the PERB ruling forced DCPS to throw out the staffing survey and DCPS couldn't staff schools unless they ordered everyone back. The sick-out was a meaningless exercise orchestrated by the union that has been perceived as a win by the WTU.

I don't mean to suggest that the sick out had anything to do w/ DCPS caving... But since they did cave, obviously the sick out ended. So the fact it was only one day has no bearing on whether it was illegal under the WTU's contract.

Here's a good article for you. I was wrong about the date in October - it was the 21st. How exactly did DCPS "cave?"

https://dcist.com/story/20/10/21/labor-ruling-complicates-dcps-reopening-plans/

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I have said on this and every single other thread for the past 4 months that the union was NOT going to strike. I’ve been called names, told I was dumb and didn’t understand how I junk a worker, told teachers are disgusting people etc. The only people on this board who have been ruling people up like this have a alternative agenda.

I’m so concerned that people in this educated of an area can fall for fake news and trolls just like lower educated areas. It really is concerning.

they did strike in November- did you miss that? And they are literally taking a poll on striking now.

They didn’t strike lol
That’s like saying you skipped school when you’re mom called you in sick!

DCPS filed a complaint against the union and called it a strike, which it was. Had it not been rescinded based on the terms of the MOA the PERB would have ruled on as a strike and fined the union. That was part of the terms of the MOA. I'm not sure if you are being intentionally clueless, lol.

Not every collective action is a strike, even if DCPS calls it one. Not even half of the teachers participated in it.

All of the keyboard warriors on this forum love acting like they know everything about unions, it’s hilarious and frankly kind of pathetic. You think union members get sick leave when they strike? You think students have asynchronous work assigned to them during a teacher strike? Please.

it was a strike, obviously. it’s honestly painful to know you must be a DCPS teacher.

You can call it a strike if you want, but it's honestly painful to know you must not be a labor and employment lawyer. A one-day sick-out is a collective action, true, but it is not a strike.

The length is irrelevant. DCPS cancelled return, so the WTU won. No one knows if it would have been only one day if DCPS hadn't caved.

DCPS didn't cave or cancel return based on the sick-out. October 30th or so the PERB ruling forced DCPS to throw out the staffing survey and DCPS couldn't staff schools unless they ordered everyone back. The sick-out was a meaningless exercise orchestrated by the union that has been perceived as a win by the WTU.

I don't mean to suggest that the sick out had anything to do w/ DCPS caving... But since they did cave, obviously the sick out ended. So the fact it was only one day has no bearing on whether it was illegal under the WTU's contract.

Here's a good article for you. I was wrong about the date in October - it was the 21st. How exactly did DCPS "cave?"

https://dcist.com/story/20/10/21/labor-ruling-complicates-dcps-reopening-plans/

Edited to add, if you mean that the WTU won by the ruling by the PERB, yes, they did win the PERB lawsuit.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:New WTU email from tonight:

Over the past two days, the WTU membership has had a spirited, democratic debate. As we make a determination on our path forward, the leadership of the WTU wants to ensure that all members of our bargaining unit are heard and are aware of the consequences of moving forward.

The following poll is not an official vote; it is a poll to find out people's opinions and willingness to engage in collective actions. If it is determined that we need to move forward with a Collective Action, there will be a protocol to follow, including a secret ballot authorization vote.

We have an obligation to hear what actions you believe we should take. And any action we must do in solidarity. But we also have the obligation to ensure everyone knows the law we operate under. Unlike in Chicago or LA whose state law allows strikes, If we take action to remain remote or otherwise vote to initiate a work stoppage and we cannot secure an appropriate settlement with DC Public Schools the action may result in penalties against you, up to and including termination of your employment, and to the Union, up to and including fines and decertification. Of course we would fight it, and of course we are stronger together, but the leadership has the moral obligation to tell you the law.

Is this real? If so, I can’t believe your members are leaking this to DCUM.

Yes it’s real. And yes people leak. And yes it’s terrible.

I wasn’t aware it was private or confidential.

I just assume all union business is confidential until the union speaks to management. But maybe I’m conservative.

I assume anything sent to thousands of people is not confidential unless specified or required of someone (security clearances for example).

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:New WTU email from tonight:

Over the past two days, the WTU membership has had a spirited, democratic debate. As we make a determination on our path forward, the leadership of the WTU wants to ensure that all members of our bargaining unit are heard and are aware of the consequences of moving forward.

The following poll is not an official vote; it is a poll to find out people's opinions and willingness to engage in collective actions. If it is determined that we need to move forward with a Collective Action, there will be a protocol to follow, including a secret ballot authorization vote.

We have an obligation to hear what actions you believe we should take. And any action we must do in solidarity. But we also have the obligation to ensure everyone knows the law we operate under. Unlike in Chicago or LA whose state law allows strikes, If we take action to remain remote or otherwise vote to initiate a work stoppage and we cannot secure an appropriate settlement with DC Public Schools the action may result in penalties against you, up to and including termination of your employment, and to the Union, up to and including fines and decertification. Of course we would fight it, and of course we are stronger together, but the leadership has the moral obligation to tell you the law.

Is this real? If so, I can’t believe your members are leaking this to DCUM.

Yes it’s real. And yes people leak. And yes it’s terrible.

I wasn’t aware it was private or confidential.

I just assume all union business is confidential until the union speaks to management. But maybe I’m conservative.

I assume anything sent to thousands of people is not confidential unless specified or required of someone (security clearances for example).

Union business is the business of the union. Not dcum

[Anonymous]

I’ve only ever been a member of a smaller union, but I would never divulge possible collective action until we decided on it. But I’m sure whoever cut and pasted this email knew it was icky to do so.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I have said on this and every single other thread for the past 4 months that the union was NOT going to strike. I’ve been called names, told I was dumb and didn’t understand how I junk a worker, told teachers are disgusting people etc. The only people on this board who have been ruling people up like this have a alternative agenda.

I’m so concerned that people in this educated of an area can fall for fake news and trolls just like lower educated areas. It really is concerning.

they did strike in November- did you miss that? And they are literally taking a poll on striking now.

They didn’t strike lol
That’s like saying you skipped school when you’re mom called you in sick!

DCPS filed a complaint against the union and called it a strike, which it was. Had it not been rescinded based on the terms of the MOA the PERB would have ruled on as a strike and fined the union. That was part of the terms of the MOA. I'm not sure if you are being intentionally clueless, lol.

Not every collective action is a strike, even if DCPS calls it one. Not even half of the teachers participated in it.

All of the keyboard warriors on this forum love acting like they know everything about unions, it’s hilarious and frankly kind of pathetic. You think union members get sick leave when they strike? You think students have asynchronous work assigned to them during a teacher strike? Please.

it was a strike, obviously. it’s honestly painful to know you must be a DCPS teacher.

You can call it a strike if you want, but it's honestly painful to know you must not be a labor and employment lawyer. A one-day sick-out is a collective action, true, but it is not a strike.

The length is irrelevant. DCPS cancelled return, so the WTU won. No one knows if it would have been only one day if DCPS hadn't caved.

DCPS didn't cave or cancel return based on the sick-out. October 30th or so the PERB ruling forced DCPS to throw out the staffing survey and DCPS couldn't staff schools unless they ordered everyone back. The sick-out was a meaningless exercise orchestrated by the union that has been perceived as a win by the WTU.

I don't mean to suggest that the sick out had anything to do w/ DCPS caving... But since they did cave, obviously the sick out ended. So the fact it was only one day has no bearing on whether it was illegal under the WTU's contract.

Here's a good article for you. I was wrong about the date in October - it was the 21st. How exactly did DCPS "cave?"

https://dcist.com/story/20/10/21/labor-ruling-complicates-dcps-reopening-plans/

Edited to add, if you mean that the WTU won by the ruling by the PERB, yes, they did win the PERB lawsuit.

I'm not sure if you're just missing the point or what. The fact is that teachers were no longer being called back, so there was nothing to strike over. Thus the fact the sick out only lasted one day is irrelevant to judging whether it was illegal collective action under the agreement. That's it.

[Anonymous]

Update: WTU lost big and union tears are delicious.

Go to work. Vacation is over.