Amy Coney Barrett- what in the actual F?

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Anonymous wrote:ACB is clearly an amazing person and supremely qualified. She’ll make a great justice.

I hope so. As long as she doesn't try to take away women's reproductive rights or LGBT rights and keeps church and state separate it's all good with me. Because that's what would make a great justice.

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Anonymous wrote:To the PP lawyer who keeps saying you don’t know the child is yours until the adoption is final-

Don’t they also stress that the kids aren’t dogs and you don’t get to try them out and return them if it doesn’t work? The kid in this case was already stateside. Things could go awry but the parents should be committed at that point. You don’t get to return or rehome your intended children-weird it even seemed like an option to her.

It isn’t that you don’t know the child is yours; it is that you are explicitly told that legally that child is not your child until a court blesses it and you need to understand that until finalizing the child can be taken from your family for any reason at all and there isn’t anything you can do about it.

Again, life is not easy and neat. Everybody on both sides of the political aisle agrees that an unexpected pregnancy can be and often is paradigm shattering event for a woman. I don’t understand the critique that she had a human reaction in that particular moment and she was honest and candid about it. Would you rather she hide the truth or pretend it didn’t happen? And of course, the situation was compounded by the fact that she was already in the middle of a stressful event (taking custody of a child she was trying to adopt). I don’t doubt that some people would have a perfect emotional response in such a moment, but having been through the process myself and knowing others in the community that have been through the process, I would venture that many (perhaps most) would have reacted as she did.

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The court does not "bless" you. The court finalizes the adoption.

Yes, I would rather that she had the presence of mind to understand that second guessing her near-final adoption bc she was having another child is not a talking point. She may as well have said that she found out she was having twins and deliberated for three hours whether to abort one.

Okay. Well, if you listen to the interview the story is a lot more complicated than portrayed here. Listening to her in her own words, prior to the Haiti earthquake she and her husband had been led to believe the adoption wasn’t happening. Post-earthquake they were told some state department red-tape would be lifted but it wasn’t entirely clear they would be able to adopt. During this time the child was in Florida but there was still some confusion as to whether they would be able to clear the process. Then they got the go ahead that they would clear diplomatic red tape and they had to decide whether they were going to adopt or not (the reference of going to Florida to kick him up) while simultaneously finding out they had an unexpected pregnancy.

she shouldn't have shared the story. You know who's life was more complicated??? Her kids. Adoptive parents like her looooooove to center themselves. It's disgusting.

Last I checked, it was considered a good thing to be open about adoptions and adoption stories. Honestly, I have like 10 adopted kids in my circle and I know the details of them all. It is much better than when all this was swept under the rug. There is nothing to be ashamed of in adopting or being adopted.

As for the comments, the older child was thought not ever able to walk due to severe malnutrition, so of course her parents are proud she has overcome that and is strong and healthy. And the younger had severe PTSD from the orphanage and earthquake he lived through, so of course they are proud he is outgoing and happy-go-lucky. It is a huge achievement and shows how much he has been loved by his adoptive family. Her other kids haven’t been through any ordeals so their descriptions are more run of the mill.

OMG!!! SHE IS SUCH A SAVIOR!!!!!

NP. Apparently, you would prefer her children be languishing in a Haitian orphanage. Or more likely, dead. Please tell us: what the F is your problem?

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My problem is her using her kids as props. And you suckers for eating it up.

Nope. Your problem is that ACB is a white, conservative woman who dared to adopt children of a different race - children who would otherwise probably be dead. These are not props - they are her family. And if she was a liberal, you’d be worshipping her, not only for adopting children of color, but for managing to raise a family while simultaneously succeeding in a demanding career. You’re such a sad, pathetic person.

Sorry you are having trouble keeping up. My issue is not that she adopted these kids, it’s how she thinks about them and what she says publicly about them and their adoption. She doesn’t think of them as “her kids”, she thinks of them as “her adopted kids that she saved”. They aren’t just families members, they are props she is using in an attempt to demonstrate something about herself. And you fell for the whole “savior” thing. Sorry.

Oh. It’s how she thinks about them. Maybe you should be a judge because you sure are judgmental. It actually sounds like you feel bad about yourself because there’s someone that shows some decency and takes action to help someone in need vs. you who just like to talk about it. I get it, a little guilt trip for yourself.

Again, sorry you are having trouble keeping up. We are talking about ACB and her using her adopted children as props.

It’s sad that you think so little of children to believe that is acceptable. Hopefully you don’t have any kids yourself.

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Anonymous wrote:ACB is clearly an amazing person and supremely qualified. She’ll make a great justice.

Got those in your fundamentalist cult, perhaps. For women and girls, she is a disaster.

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Anonymous wrote:To the PP lawyer who keeps saying you don’t know the child is yours until the adoption is final-

Don’t they also stress that the kids aren’t dogs and you don’t get to try them out and return them if it doesn’t work? The kid in this case was already stateside. Things could go awry but the parents should be committed at that point. You don’t get to return or rehome your intended children-weird it even seemed like an option to her.

It isn’t that you don’t know the child is yours; it is that you are explicitly told that legally that child is not your child until a court blesses it and you need to understand that until finalizing the child can be taken from your family for any reason at all and there isn’t anything you can do about it.

Again, life is not easy and neat. Everybody on both sides of the political aisle agrees that an unexpected pregnancy can be and often is paradigm shattering event for a woman. I don’t understand the critique that she had a human reaction in that particular moment and she was honest and candid about it. Would you rather she hide the truth or pretend it didn’t happen? And of course, the situation was compounded by the fact that she was already in the middle of a stressful event (taking custody of a child she was trying to adopt). I don’t doubt that some people would have a perfect emotional response in such a moment, but having been through the process myself and knowing others in the community that have been through the process, I would venture that many (perhaps most) would have reacted as she did.

Aer. S

The court does not "bless" you. The court finalizes the adoption.

Yes, I would rather that she had the presence of mind to understand that second guessing her near-final adoption bc she was having another child is not a talking point. She may as well have said that she found out she was having twins and deliberated for three hours whether to abort one.

Okay. Well, if you listen to the interview the story is a lot more complicated than portrayed here. Listening to her in her own words, prior to the Haiti earthquake she and her husband had been led to believe the adoption wasn’t happening. Post-earthquake they were told some state department red-tape would be lifted but it wasn’t entirely clear they would be able to adopt. During this time the child was in Florida but there was still some confusion as to whether they would be able to clear the process. Then they got the go ahead that they would clear diplomatic red tape and they had to decide whether they were going to adopt or not (the reference of going to Florida to kick him up) while simultaneously finding out they had an unexpected pregnancy.

she shouldn't have shared the story. You know who's life was more complicated??? Her kids. Adoptive parents like her looooooove to center themselves. It's disgusting.

Last I checked, it was considered a good thing to be open about adoptions and adoption stories. Honestly, I have like 10 adopted kids in my circle and I know the details of them all. It is much better than when all this was swept under the rug. There is nothing to be ashamed of in adopting or being adopted.

As for the comments, the older child was thought not ever able to walk due to severe malnutrition, so of course her parents are proud she has overcome that and is strong and healthy. And the younger had severe PTSD from the orphanage and earthquake he lived through, so of course they are proud he is outgoing and happy-go-lucky. It is a huge achievement and shows how much he has been loved by his adoptive family. Her other kids haven’t been through any ordeals so their descriptions are more run of the mill.

This is where you are dead wrong. It's fine to be open about adoption in general, but not about the child's story. That is adoption 101. You can see how deep-seated the christian fundamental approach to aoption permeates in society that even the most liberal person does not get adoption.

My kids have known about their adoption since day 1. I don't shy away from questions about it with them. I don't broadcast their stories all over social media, and certainly not on a job interview. I ask their permission on what they want to share. it's not that hard.

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I wonder if she’s been on any Mission Trips...? And of so where. I bet I could guess.

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Anonymous wrote:Women are their own worst enemy

Some people can’t win for losing!

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Anonymous wrote:To the PP lawyer who keeps saying you don’t know the child is yours until the adoption is final-

Don’t they also stress that the kids aren’t dogs and you don’t get to try them out and return them if it doesn’t work? The kid in this case was already stateside. Things could go awry but the parents should be committed at that point. You don’t get to return or rehome your intended children-weird it even seemed like an option to her.

It isn’t that you don’t know the child is yours; it is that you are explicitly told that legally that child is not your child until a court blesses it and you need to understand that until finalizing the child can be taken from your family for any reason at all and there isn’t anything you can do about it.

Again, life is not easy and neat. Everybody on both sides of the political aisle agrees that an unexpected pregnancy can be and often is paradigm shattering event for a woman. I don’t understand the critique that she had a human reaction in that particular moment and she was honest and candid about it. Would you rather she hide the truth or pretend it didn’t happen? And of course, the situation was compounded by the fact that she was already in the middle of a stressful event (taking custody of a child she was trying to adopt). I don’t doubt that some people would have a perfect emotional response in such a moment, but having been through the process myself and knowing others in the community that have been through the process, I would venture that many (perhaps most) would have reacted as she did.

Aer. S

The court does not "bless" you. The court finalizes the adoption.

Yes, I would rather that she had the presence of mind to understand that second guessing her near-final adoption bc she was having another child is not a talking point. She may as well have said that she found out she was having twins and deliberated for three hours whether to abort one.

Okay. Well, if you listen to the interview the story is a lot more complicated than portrayed here. Listening to her in her own words, prior to the Haiti earthquake she and her husband had been led to believe the adoption wasn’t happening. Post-earthquake they were told some state department red-tape would be lifted but it wasn’t entirely clear they would be able to adopt. During this time the child was in Florida but there was still some confusion as to whether they would be able to clear the process. Then they got the go ahead that they would clear diplomatic red tape and they had to decide whether they were going to adopt or not (the reference of going to Florida to kick him up) while simultaneously finding out they had an unexpected pregnancy.

she shouldn't have shared the story. You know who's life was more complicated??? Her kids. Adoptive parents like her looooooove to center themselves. It's disgusting.

Last I checked, it was considered a good thing to be open about adoptions and adoption stories. Honestly, I have like 10 adopted kids in my circle and I know the details of them all. It is much better than when all this was swept under the rug. There is nothing to be ashamed of in adopting or being adopted.

As for the comments, the older child was thought not ever able to walk due to severe malnutrition, so of course her parents are proud she has overcome that and is strong and healthy. And the younger had severe PTSD from the orphanage and earthquake he lived through, so of course they are proud he is outgoing and happy-go-lucky. It is a huge achievement and shows how much he has been loved by his adoptive family. Her other kids haven’t been through any ordeals so their descriptions are more run of the mill.

This is where you are dead wrong. It's fine to be open about adoption in general, but not about the child's story. That is adoption 101. You can see how deep-seated the christian fundamental approach to aoption permeates in society that even the most liberal person does not get adoption.

My kids have known about their adoption since day 1. I don't shy away from questions about it with them. I don't broadcast their stories all over social media, and certainly not on a job interview. I ask their permission on what they want to share. it's not that hard.

This poster is correct. Modern perspectives on this say that the child's "story" (mean why they were available for adoption, how they were found, the conditions they experienced before they came into your family, etc) is theirs to tell. For example, I know one friend whose (adoptive) daughter's birth mom was a teen who got pregnant after hooking up with someone for casual sex. She claimed to not know the guy's name, so he could not be consulted about the adoption. Those details are for the child to learn, at an older age, and share as SHE deems fit. Not for every family friend and relative to know and spread as the girl is about to enter adulthood. Think of a kid who was conceived through rape (it happens) OR was born in prison. These details can be turned against adult adoptees and should be shared as THEY wish.

Well trained adoptive parents are taught this.

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Anonymous wrote:I cringed of her description of her adoptive children. Major white savior complex.

Np I get what you are saying but, if white people didn't adopt or help out than what would that be called? Not caring about others or doing something to help, even if white should be a noble thing but, I think these days if you do help you are called a "white savior complex" and if you don't do anything than you are called selfish.

Either way it is a negative.

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Anonymous wrote:I cringed of her description of her adoptive children. Major white savior complex.

Np I get what you are saying but, if white people didn't adopt or help out than what would that be called? Not caring about others or doing something to help, even if white should be a noble thing but, I think these days if you do help you are called a "white savior complex" and if you don't do anything than you are called selfish.

Either way it is a negative.

White savior complex is not true of all white adoptive parents. The reason it is brought up re Barrett is because of her words! Plus a few other clues.

You don't have to adopt to be a white savior!! Instead, you could go on a mission vacation to visit poor orphans, then post photos of it on your Facebook, all while supporting Trump. If a vacation is too much, you can make sure you are seen giving money to poor people in the streets. There are many ways to do it, including just talking loudly about your charitable acts.

White saviors and adoptive families overlap a bit in a Venn diagram, but are not the same!

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Anonymous wrote:I cringed of her description of her adoptive children. Major white savior complex.

Np I get what you are saying but, if white people didn't adopt or help out than what would that be called? Not caring about others or doing something to help, even if white should be a noble thing but, I think these days if you do help you are called a "white savior complex" and if you don't do anything than you are called selfish.

Either way it is a negative.

I am not going to call anyone selfish for not adopting. Adopting should not be selfless or selfish. It should be creating a family. It should not be extending charity. It should not be adding an arrow to your quiver.

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Anonymous wrote:To the PP lawyer who keeps saying you don’t know the child is yours until the adoption is final-

Don’t they also stress that the kids aren’t dogs and you don’t get to try them out and return them if it doesn’t work? The kid in this case was already stateside. Things could go awry but the parents should be committed at that point. You don’t get to return or rehome your intended children-weird it even seemed like an option to her.

It isn’t that you don’t know the child is yours; it is that you are explicitly told that legally that child is not your child until a court blesses it and you need to understand that until finalizing the child can be taken from your family for any reason at all and there isn’t anything you can do about it.

Again, life is not easy and neat. Everybody on both sides of the political aisle agrees that an unexpected pregnancy can be and often is paradigm shattering event for a woman. I don’t understand the critique that she had a human reaction in that particular moment and she was honest and candid about it. Would you rather she hide the truth or pretend it didn’t happen? And of course, the situation was compounded by the fact that she was already in the middle of a stressful event (taking custody of a child she was trying to adopt). I don’t doubt that some people would have a perfect emotional response in such a moment, but having been through the process myself and knowing others in the community that have been through the process, I would venture that many (perhaps most) would have reacted as she did.

Aer. S

The court does not "bless" you. The court finalizes the adoption.

Yes, I would rather that she had the presence of mind to understand that second guessing her near-final adoption bc she was having another child is not a talking point. She may as well have said that she found out she was having twins and deliberated for three hours whether to abort one.

Okay. Well, if you listen to the interview the story is a lot more complicated than portrayed here. Listening to her in her own words, prior to the Haiti earthquake she and her husband had been led to believe the adoption wasn’t happening. Post-earthquake they were told some state department red-tape would be lifted but it wasn’t entirely clear they would be able to adopt. During this time the child was in Florida but there was still some confusion as to whether they would be able to clear the process. Then they got the go ahead that they would clear diplomatic red tape and they had to decide whether they were going to adopt or not (the reference of going to Florida to kick him up) while simultaneously finding out they had an unexpected pregnancy.

she shouldn't have shared the story. You know who's life was more complicated??? Her kids. Adoptive parents like her looooooove to center themselves. It's disgusting.

Last I checked, it was considered a good thing to be open about adoptions and adoption stories. Honestly, I have like 10 adopted kids in my circle and I know the details of them all. It is much better than when all this was swept under the rug. There is nothing to be ashamed of in adopting or being adopted.

As for the comments, the older child was thought not ever able to walk due to severe malnutrition, so of course her parents are proud she has overcome that and is strong and healthy. And the younger had severe PTSD from the orphanage and earthquake he lived through, so of course they are proud he is outgoing and happy-go-lucky. It is a huge achievement and shows how much he has been loved by his adoptive family. Her other kids haven’t been through any ordeals so their descriptions are more run of the mill.

OMG!!! SHE IS SUCH A SAVIOR!!!!!

NP. Apparently, you would prefer her children be languishing in a Haitian orphanage. Or more likely, dead. Please tell us: what the F is your problem?

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My problem is her using her kids as props. And you suckers for eating it up.

Nope. Your problem is that ACB is a white, conservative woman who dared to adopt children of a different race - children who would otherwise probably be dead. These are not props - they are her family. And if she was a liberal, you’d be worshipping her, not only for adopting children of color, but for managing to raise a family while simultaneously succeeding in a demanding career. You’re such a sad, pathetic person.

Sorry you are having trouble keeping up. My issue is not that she adopted these kids, it’s how she thinks about them and what she says publicly about them and their adoption. She doesn’t think of them as “her kids”, she thinks of them as “her adopted kids that she saved”. They aren’t just families members, they are props she is using in an attempt to demonstrate something about herself. And you fell for the whole “savior” thing. Sorry.

You are SO right. And if she had introduced them as just “Vivian who likes playing soccer and JP who loves reading mysteries,” you’d be outraged that she didn’t mention their Haitian heritage. Face it, you’re outraged regardless. So who really cares what you think? So predictable. And sad.

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Anonymous wrote:To the PP lawyer who keeps saying you don’t know the child is yours until the adoption is final-

Don’t they also stress that the kids aren’t dogs and you don’t get to try them out and return them if it doesn’t work? The kid in this case was already stateside. Things could go awry but the parents should be committed at that point. You don’t get to return or rehome your intended children-weird it even seemed like an option to her.

It isn’t that you don’t know the child is yours; it is that you are explicitly told that legally that child is not your child until a court blesses it and you need to understand that until finalizing the child can be taken from your family for any reason at all and there isn’t anything you can do about it.

Again, life is not easy and neat. Everybody on both sides of the political aisle agrees that an unexpected pregnancy can be and often is paradigm shattering event for a woman. I don’t understand the critique that she had a human reaction in that particular moment and she was honest and candid about it. Would you rather she hide the truth or pretend it didn’t happen? And of course, the situation was compounded by the fact that she was already in the middle of a stressful event (taking custody of a child she was trying to adopt). I don’t doubt that some people would have a perfect emotional response in such a moment, but having been through the process myself and knowing others in the community that have been through the process, I would venture that many (perhaps most) would have reacted as she did.

Aer. S

The court does not "bless" you. The court finalizes the adoption.

Yes, I would rather that she had the presence of mind to understand that second guessing her near-final adoption bc she was having another child is not a talking point. She may as well have said that she found out she was having twins and deliberated for three hours whether to abort one.

Okay. Well, if you listen to the interview the story is a lot more complicated than portrayed here. Listening to her in her own words, prior to the Haiti earthquake she and her husband had been led to believe the adoption wasn’t happening. Post-earthquake they were told some state department red-tape would be lifted but it wasn’t entirely clear they would be able to adopt. During this time the child was in Florida but there was still some confusion as to whether they would be able to clear the process. Then they got the go ahead that they would clear diplomatic red tape and they had to decide whether they were going to adopt or not (the reference of going to Florida to kick him up) while simultaneously finding out they had an unexpected pregnancy.

she shouldn't have shared the story. You know who's life was more complicated??? Her kids. Adoptive parents like her looooooove to center themselves. It's disgusting.

Last I checked, it was considered a good thing to be open about adoptions and adoption stories. Honestly, I have like 10 adopted kids in my circle and I know the details of them all. It is much better than when all this was swept under the rug. There is nothing to be ashamed of in adopting or being adopted.

As for the comments, the older child was thought not ever able to walk due to severe malnutrition, so of course her parents are proud she has overcome that and is strong and healthy. And the younger had severe PTSD from the orphanage and earthquake he lived through, so of course they are proud he is outgoing and happy-go-lucky. It is a huge achievement and shows how much he has been loved by his adoptive family. Her other kids haven’t been through any ordeals so their descriptions are more run of the mill.

OMG!!! SHE IS SUCH A SAVIOR!!!!!

NP. Apparently, you would prefer her children be languishing in a Haitian orphanage. Or more likely, dead. Please tell us: what the F is your problem?

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My problem is her using her kids as props. And you suckers for eating it up.

Nope. Your problem is that ACB is a white, conservative woman who dared to adopt children of a different race - children who would otherwise probably be dead. These are not props - they are her family. And if she was a liberal, you’d be worshipping her, not only for adopting children of color, but for managing to raise a family while simultaneously succeeding in a demanding career. You’re such a sad, pathetic person.

Sorry you are having trouble keeping up. My issue is not that she adopted these kids, it’s how she thinks about them and what she says publicly about them and their adoption. She doesn’t think of them as “her kids”, she thinks of them as “her adopted kids that she saved”. They aren’t just families members, they are props she is using in an attempt to demonstrate something about herself. And you fell for the whole “savior” thing. Sorry.

Oh. It’s how she thinks about them. Maybe you should be a judge because you sure are judgmental. It actually sounds like you feel bad about yourself because there’s someone that shows some decency and takes action to help someone in need vs. you who just like to talk about it. I get it, a little guilt trip for yourself.

Exactly, a bunch of phony SJWs who have never done a damn thing to help anyone but themselves IRL, but on social media, they are Mother Theresa and they think they have standing to lecture everyone.

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I’m not Catholic or even overtly religious, and I’m pro-choice. But here is a woman actually living out her faith and values every single day. These a$$holes can’t stand it - they don’t even know how to process someone who quietly lives a life of consequence as opposed to blasting shallow virtue signaling on social media and thinking that’s the measure of a good person. What a bunch of absolute losers.

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So it seems the bizarre trolls here would a) prefer ACB had left these children to languish in an orphanage, b) prefer she never speak of the fact that they were indeed adopted, or c) leave them at home at all times so that no one need be reminded that she and her husband adopted two black children.

You people are beyond disgusting. There really is no hope for you.

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Anonymous wrote:So it seems the bizarre trolls here would a) prefer ACB had left these children to languish in an orphanage, b) prefer she never speak of the fact that they were indeed adopted, or c) leave them at home at all times so that no one need be reminded that she and her husband adopted two black children.

You people are beyond disgusting. There really is no hope for you.

Let me explain something to you. And this has to do with BK as well. While I understand many judges would consider a Supreme Court nomination the culmination of everything they have worked for, the truly just would realize that it is not about them as much as what is best for every American in this country. ACB wouldn't be where she is without the work of RBG. She would have to be incredibly ignorant not to realize the hypocrisy of her appointment at this particular time. BK cried and talked about beer because he wanted the job so bad without any regard to what might be best for this country as a whole. People aren't giving ACB a hard time for being an adoptive parent (although it might be appropriate in this situation given the fact that she has denounced IVF and reproductive rights), they are angry that she is using her children as props and not people. If she had any ounce of integrity she would recuse herself immediately for too many reasons that have all been discussed on this forum. Dark money politicized judges make all courts obsolete. We've got a lot of work ahead of us after November.

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Anonymous wrote:ACB is clearly an amazing person and supremely qualified. She’ll make a great justice.

I hope so. As long as she doesn't try to take away women's reproductive rights or LGBT rights and keeps church and state separate it's all good with me. Because that's what would make a great justice.

Of course she’s going to keep her personal views separate from the law. She has reiterated this over and over - and taken an oath.