postal service warns it will not deliver mail-in ballots on time

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

The Republicans problem with mail-in voting is that it is harder to suppress. They know how to suppress in-person voting.

The only question here is whether you want elections to reflect the will of the people. Democrats do; Republicans do not.

Their other problem...paper trail that the electronic voting machines do not afford. How can you tell if the vote has been manipulated without a paper trail? You can't.

[Anonymous]

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PP here, I am not in favor of 100% vote by mail. Mail is inherently an insecure and unreliable service. *REGISTERED* mail was implemented as a secure and reliable service - registered mail is stored in locked cages with a signature based chain of custody. This is why when you send something registered they put a bunch of stamps all over the envelope's seals, to prevent/detect people messing with the mail. But because of this chain-of-custody requirement, registered mail is hand sorted and not machine sorted. I would assume that a registered mail level of service is what would be necessary for 100% mailed ballots.

Taxes
Passports
Drivers Licenses
Social Security Cards
Social Security Checks
Government Pension Checks
Bank Chacks

- all things sent routinely by the public and government without being registered mail

Sure, but people mail these at their own risk.

Taxes - many people mail their returns with certified or registered mail, for the specific reason that a lost return would result in a tax penalty.
Passports - only mailed for non-urgent renewals. Those that want their passport on time get them in person.
Drivers Licenses - again, you can get them in person if you must have them. Lost licenses are not as big of a deal.
Social Security Cards - a lost car is no big deal, you just get a replacement.
Social Security Checks, Pension Checks, Bank Checks - lost checks can be replaced/reissued. Note that a lot of businesses use FedEx letter to mail check payments on invoices for key suppliers precisely to ensure that it gets delivered.

So all of the examples you supplied, either already has a high level of use of certified/registered mail services, or does not matter if they are lost or are late.

I do most of the things on the list and have never once sent or received a certified letter.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Reality is, nobody's talking about "destroying" the post office, except those engaging in hyperbole & histrionics. The USPS has been scaling back for years. Snail mail is going the way of the land line telephone. It's called progress. Now, some have decided we absolutely MUST conduct our voting by mail -- as if we cannot safely go to a polling place & vote. We go out, and with appropriate caution, go to grocery stores, pharmacies, attend political rallies & protests, go to home supply stores, liquor stores, gun shops, beauty salons & barber shops, physician & dentist offices, etc., etc. Those with special needs: absentee ballots have been available since the Civil War. But the screeching & screaming will continue, as if the nation's very existence depends on mail-in voting.

In many places, absentee requests have thresholds that many people cannot meet, including paying for a notary. That is akin to a poll tax and should be illegal.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Reality is, nobody's talking about "destroying" the post office, except those engaging in hyperbole & histrionics. The USPS has been scaling back for years. Snail mail is going the way of the land line telephone. It's called progress. Now, some have decided we absolutely MUST conduct our voting by mail -- as if we cannot safely go to a polling place & vote. We go out, and with appropriate caution, go to grocery stores, pharmacies, attend political rallies & protests, go to home supply stores, liquor stores, gun shops, beauty salons & barber shops, physician & dentist offices, etc., etc. Those with special needs: absentee ballots have been available since the Civil War. But the screeching & screaming will continue, as if the nation's very existence depends on mail-in voting.

Are you actually trying to claim that postal service has not been impacted by these moves and that the timing is completely coincidental? Despite, Trump himself explicitly saying that he is trying to slow down the mail because he thinks mail in voting is bad for his re-election chances?

Are you really also saying that we should vote in person only? If so, why? It's one thing to say that in person voting can be done safely. It's quite another thing to say that we must vote in person regardless of safety. Unfortunately, that second point is what you are actually arguing. Sure, there are steps that can be taken to make in person voting as safe as going to the grocery store. Even that's not close to 100% safe but whatev. But what's happening is that some states want to minimize potential safety risks and the federal government is trying to sabotage that effort.

No, PP is saying that it's the height of stupidity to push for mail-in-voting 2.5 months out from a Presidential election. If Democrats wanted safe, secure mail-in voting, they should have taken it up as an issue back when they had the Presidency and Congress. They didn't. As such, you can't whine about it now. Well, you can whine, but the rest of us won't care.

They took it up in February and March - plenty of time to plan, and were rebuffed by the GOP. Strange, right?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Reality is, nobody's talking about "destroying" the post office, except those engaging in hyperbole & histrionics. The USPS has been scaling back for years. Snail mail is going the way of the land line telephone. It's called progress. Now, some have decided we absolutely MUST conduct our voting by mail -- as if we cannot safely go to a polling place & vote. We go out, and with appropriate caution, go to grocery stores, pharmacies, attend political rallies & protests, go to home supply stores, liquor stores, gun shops, beauty salons & barber shops, physician & dentist offices, etc., etc. Those with special needs: absentee ballots have been available since the Civil War. But the screeching & screaming will continue, as if the nation's very existence depends on mail-in voting.

Are you actually trying to claim that postal service has not been impacted by these moves and that the timing is completely coincidental? Despite, Trump himself explicitly saying that he is trying to slow down the mail because he thinks mail in voting is bad for his re-election chances?

Are you really also saying that we should vote in person only? If so, why? It's one thing to say that in person voting can be done safely. It's quite another thing to say that we must vote in person regardless of safety. Unfortunately, that second point is what you are actually arguing. Sure, there are steps that can be taken to make in person voting as safe as going to the grocery store. Even that's not close to 100% safe but whatev. But what's happening is that some states want to minimize potential safety risks and the federal government is trying to sabotage that effort.

No, PP is saying that it's the height of stupidity to push for mail-in-voting 2.5 months out from a Presidential election. If Democrats wanted safe, secure mail-in voting, they should have taken it up as an issue back when they had the Presidency and Congress. They didn't. As such, you can't whine about it now. Well, you can whine, but the rest of us won't care.

PPP here, and yes - this is exactly what I'm saying. Also, if Democrats are so damn worried about the USPS not getting their ballots in on time, then why don't they send them in now? Why wait until the last minute? And if they're THAT scared, then just vote in person - the same way they go to the grocery store or hair salon right now. Or protests, for that matter. Such hypocrites.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Reality is, nobody's talking about "destroying" the post office, except those engaging in hyperbole & histrionics. The USPS has been scaling back for years. Snail mail is going the way of the land line telephone. It's called progress. Now, some have decided we absolutely MUST conduct our voting by mail -- as if we cannot safely go to a polling place & vote. We go out, and with appropriate caution, go to grocery stores, pharmacies, attend political rallies & protests, go to home supply stores, liquor stores, gun shops, beauty salons & barber shops, physician & dentist offices, etc., etc. Those with special needs: absentee ballots have been available since the Civil War. But the screeching & screaming will continue, as if the nation's very existence depends on mail-in voting.

Are you actually trying to claim that postal service has not been impacted by these moves and that the timing is completely coincidental? Despite, Trump himself explicitly saying that he is trying to slow down the mail because he thinks mail in voting is bad for his re-election chances?

Are you really also saying that we should vote in person only? If so, why? It's one thing to say that in person voting can be done safely. It's quite another thing to say that we must vote in person regardless of safety. Unfortunately, that second point is what you are actually arguing. Sure, there are steps that can be taken to make in person voting as safe as going to the grocery store. Even that's not close to 100% safe but whatev. But what's happening is that some states want to minimize potential safety risks and the federal government is trying to sabotage that effort.

No, PP is saying that it's the height of stupidity to push for mail-in-voting 2.5 months out from a Presidential election. If Democrats wanted safe, secure mail-in voting, they should have taken it up as an issue back when they had the Presidency and Congress. They didn't. As such, you can't whine about it now. Well, you can whine, but the rest of us won't care.

They took it up in February and March - plenty of time to plan, and were rebuffed by the GOP. Strange, right?

Citation?

Also: “They’re talking about people mailing in their ballots. Do you trust the security, the honesty of such an election process?” - President Barak Obama.

Obama specifically cited the need for signature verification, to ensure “they can check to make sure that the right people are voting.”

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Reality is, nobody's talking about "destroying" the post office, except those engaging in hyperbole & histrionics. The USPS has been scaling back for years. Snail mail is going the way of the land line telephone. It's called progress. Now, some have decided we absolutely MUST conduct our voting by mail -- as if we cannot safely go to a polling place & vote. We go out, and with appropriate caution, go to grocery stores, pharmacies, attend political rallies & protests, go to home supply stores, liquor stores, gun shops, beauty salons & barber shops, physician & dentist offices, etc., etc. Those with special needs: absentee ballots have been available since the Civil War. But the screeching & screaming will continue, as if the nation's very existence depends on mail-in voting.

Are you actually trying to claim that postal service has not been impacted by these moves and that the timing is completely coincidental? Despite, Trump himself explicitly saying that he is trying to slow down the mail because he thinks mail in voting is bad for his re-election chances?

Are you really also saying that we should vote in person only? If so, why? It's one thing to say that in person voting can be done safely. It's quite another thing to say that we must vote in person regardless of safety. Unfortunately, that second point is what you are actually arguing. Sure, there are steps that can be taken to make in person voting as safe as going to the grocery store. Even that's not close to 100% safe but whatev. But what's happening is that some states want to minimize potential safety risks and the federal government is trying to sabotage that effort.

No, PP is saying that it's the height of stupidity to push for mail-in-voting 2.5 months out from a Presidential election. If Democrats wanted safe, secure mail-in voting, they should have taken it up as an issue back when they had the Presidency and Congress. They didn't. As such, you can't whine about it now. Well, you can whine, but the rest of us won't care.

PPP here, and yes - this is exactly what I'm saying. Also, if Democrats are so damn worried about the USPS not getting their ballots in on time, then why don't they send them in now? Why wait until the last minute? And if they're THAT scared, then just vote in person - the same way they go to the grocery store or hair salon right now. Or protests, for that matter. Such hypocrites.

Do *you* have your ballot now? It’s hard to complete a ballot that you haven’t got, and that’s part of the problem: the GOP has sabotaged the USPS to slow the ballots going both ways.

And if my state allows me to request my ballot and vote by mail, and it does, what business is it of yours how I vote? Why do you feel entitled to tell me that the state that I live in isn’t doing it right?

[Anonymous]

Okay, Repoops. You guys can go back to supporting the USPS again.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Okay, Repoops. You guys can go back to supporting the USPS again.

I just

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Reality is, nobody's talking about "destroying" the post office, except those engaging in hyperbole & histrionics. The USPS has been scaling back for years. Snail mail is going the way of the land line telephone. It's called progress. Now, some have decided we absolutely MUST conduct our voting by mail -- as if we cannot safely go to a polling place & vote. We go out, and with appropriate caution, go to grocery stores, pharmacies, attend political rallies & protests, go to home supply stores, liquor stores, gun shops, beauty salons & barber shops, physician & dentist offices, etc., etc. Those with special needs: absentee ballots have been available since the Civil War. But the screeching & screaming will continue, as if the nation's very existence depends on mail-in voting.

Are you actually trying to claim that postal service has not been impacted by these moves and that the timing is completely coincidental? Despite, Trump himself explicitly saying that he is trying to slow down the mail because he thinks mail in voting is bad for his re-election chances?

Are you really also saying that we should vote in person only? If so, why? It's one thing to say that in person voting can be done safely. It's quite another thing to say that we must vote in person regardless of safety. Unfortunately, that second point is what you are actually arguing. Sure, there are steps that can be taken to make in person voting as safe as going to the grocery store. Even that's not close to 100% safe but whatev. But what's happening is that some states want to minimize potential safety risks and the federal government is trying to sabotage that effort.

No, PP is saying that it's the height of stupidity to push for mail-in-voting 2.5 months out from a Presidential election. If Democrats wanted safe, secure mail-in voting, they should have taken it up as an issue back when they had the Presidency and Congress. They didn't. As such, you can't whine about it now. Well, you can whine, but the rest of us won't care.

PPP here, and yes - this is exactly what I'm saying. Also, if Democrats are so damn worried about the USPS not getting their ballots in on time, then why don't they send them in now? Why wait until the last minute? And if they're THAT scared, then just vote in person - the same way they go to the grocery store or hair salon right now. Or protests, for that matter. Such hypocrites.

Do *you* have your ballot now? It’s hard to complete a ballot that you haven’t got, and that’s part of the problem: the GOP has sabotaged the USPS to slow the ballots going both ways.

And if my state allows me to request my ballot and vote by mail, and it does, what business is it of yours how I vote? Why do you feel entitled to tell me that the state that I live in isn’t doing it right?

And a Democrat moves the goal posts... again. First it was, GOP is going to slow delivery of mailed ballots so they arrive late and don't count. Now it's the GOP is going to slow the delivery of blank ballots so they don't arrive, and can't be post marked by the deadline.

Look, mail-in voting isn't going to happen this election cycle for a variety of practical, objective reasons. Accept it. Don't try to use the lack of it as some sort of conspiracy theory to justify not accepting if Trump wins again.

[Anonymous]

This is going to backfire so badly against the Republican Party. Trump probably will suppress his own votes more than Biden votes.

There is one major difference between regular absentee voting and expanded mail-in voting, and that is that most of the expanded mail in ballots will be mailed from local addresses to their local courthouses. They don't have to be trucked or flown across the state or across the country, so even with delays, they all should be delivered within a week. By openly proposing to delay ballots, Trump has now incentivized all anti-Trump voters to vote as early as possible.

OTOH, absentee ballots mailed by people who are away from their voting states are going to be delayed for longer periods by Trump's sorting, logistics, and delivery obstacles. I suspect that this group of voters skews more Republican than the mailing from home voters.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Reality is, nobody's talking about "destroying" the post office, except those engaging in hyperbole & histrionics. The USPS has been scaling back for years. Snail mail is going the way of the land line telephone. It's called progress. Now, some have decided we absolutely MUST conduct our voting by mail -- as if we cannot safely go to a polling place & vote. We go out, and with appropriate caution, go to grocery stores, pharmacies, attend political rallies & protests, go to home supply stores, liquor stores, gun shops, beauty salons & barber shops, physician & dentist offices, etc., etc. Those with special needs: absentee ballots have been available since the Civil War. But the screeching & screaming will continue, as if the nation's very existence depends on mail-in voting.

Are you actually trying to claim that postal service has not been impacted by these moves and that the timing is completely coincidental? Despite, Trump himself explicitly saying that he is trying to slow down the mail because he thinks mail in voting is bad for his re-election chances?

Are you really also saying that we should vote in person only? If so, why? It's one thing to say that in person voting can be done safely. It's quite another thing to say that we must vote in person regardless of safety. Unfortunately, that second point is what you are actually arguing. Sure, there are steps that can be taken to make in person voting as safe as going to the grocery store. Even that's not close to 100% safe but whatev. But what's happening is that some states want to minimize potential safety risks and the federal government is trying to sabotage that effort.

No, PP is saying that it's the height of stupidity to push for mail-in-voting 2.5 months out from a Presidential election. If Democrats wanted safe, secure mail-in voting, they should have taken it up as an issue back when they had the Presidency and Congress. They didn't. As such, you can't whine about it now. Well, you can whine, but the rest of us won't care.

They took it up in February and March - plenty of time to plan, and were rebuffed by the GOP. Strange, right?

Citation?

Also: “They’re talking about people mailing in their ballots. Do you trust the security, the honesty of such an election process?” - President Barak Obama.

Obama specifically cited the need for signature verification, to ensure “they can check to make sure that the right people are voting.”

Uh, signature verification is on the ballot itself as well as on the envelope and are compared to the absentee ballot request. It has nothing to do with registered mail.

[Anonymous]

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Do *you* have your ballot now? It’s hard to complete a ballot that you haven’t got, and that’s part of the problem: the GOP has sabotaged the USPS to slow the ballots going both ways.

And if my state allows me to request my ballot and vote by mail, and it does, what business is it of yours how I vote? Why do you feel entitled to tell me that the state that I live in isn’t doing it right?

Uterus. Ballot..it's all the same.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:This is going to backfire so badly against the Republican Party. Trump probably will suppress his own votes more than Biden votes.

There is one major difference between regular absentee voting and expanded mail-in voting, and that is that most of the expanded mail in ballots will be mailed from local addresses to their local courthouses. They don't have to be trucked or flown across the state or across the country, so even with delays, they all should be delivered within a week. By openly proposing to delay ballots, Trump has now incentivized all anti-Trump voters to vote as early as possible.

OTOH, absentee ballots mailed by people who are away from their voting states are going to be delayed for longer periods by Trump's sorting, logistics, and delivery obstacles. I suspect that this group of voters skews more Republican than the mailing from home voters.

And disenfranchsing the military vote.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

The Republicans problem with mail-in voting is that it is harder to suppress. They know how to suppress in-person voting.

The only question here is whether you want elections to reflect the will of the people. Democrats do; Republicans do not.

Their other problem...paper trail that the electronic voting machines do not afford. How can you tell if the vote has been manipulated without a paper trail? You can't.

Supreme Court and every federal, state, military judicial system require original John Handcocks somewhere. Part of a registration to vote should be a sworn affidavit to do no harm.

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