What can bring the country together?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Jacksonville, Florida police say a driver intentionally crashed a van through the tent where Duval County GOP volunteers were registering voters Saturday afternoon.

More tolerant democrats, lolz!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Exhibit A is the nonsense in this thread.

"Don't see it my way? Well, you are RACIST then".

My way or the highway.... OK, highway ......... for YOU.

Bingo. This sums it up perfectly.

As the poster last page typed:

"Oh? You have something against illegal immigration, huh? Well, I can imagine what your views on African Americans must be!"



Setting aside the whole issue of multiple prejudices exemplified in one sentence on the part of the prog who typed that, it's an amazing insight into just how intellectually shallow their entire argument is. "You disagree with me? You're a racist!"


It's baffling that anyone even pays these dolts any attention at all.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Money. Stability.

When people feel stressed about money, it’s human nature to lash out at those perceived as getting a free ride or those perceived as a threat.

“I did everything right: worked hard in school, work hard at my job, pay my taxes, etc., so why should “those people” get a free ride?”

Trump knew this anger was bubbling under the surface because he literally paid staff to listen/watch conservative news/talk shows. He built a platform on this, and it worked. Why? Because even moderates and some liberals feel stretched and stressed, making them susceptible to his manipulative talking points.

This isn’t surprising. Racism and classism aren’t unique to America. Go look at Africa and South America and Asia. When economic inequality takes hold, people lash out to protect what they have. Human nature.

And the Dems aren’t exactly victims. The Dems on the Hill has a hand in the policies that have harmed the middle class. This started in the 1970s.

Except that they are not just ‘manipulative talking points’.

When I see my tax money going to support illegal immigrants in MoCo, so much so that my kids’ schools are hiring more and more ESOL/support teachers while cutting music and art - it is frustrating.

When I see my neighborhood being taken over by illegal rentals that house these illegal immigrants, I am frustrated.

When I see the huge increase in hit and runs caused by illegal immigrant drivers who have been given drivers licenses by the Democratic leadership, I am frustrated.

You can pretend that illegal immigration is not a problem because it does not directly affect you. But it does affect some of us, and Democratic rhetoric does not provide any legitimate solutions to the issue.

This can literally be said for just about any political problem. For example, do you complain when racist policies still affect the lives of black people, or because that doesn’t affect you you don’t care?

And there’s one party that wants to hold businesses accountable for their shady practices. Which is to say that if the GOP cared about the effects of illegal immigration (they don’t, they just enjoy whipping up bigots into a frenzy), they’d impose enormous fines on businesses who hire them.

All this is to say: you’re being used.

I’m a lifelong Dem, and I believe your blind faith in Dems is misplaced. I’m not defending conservative policies; rather, I believe the Dems are complicit in much of the damage caused by the political shifts that started in the 1970s.

There’s another thread where a Dem poster helpfully pointed out and linked to numerous environmental policies that Dems quietly voted against...presumably to protect the interest of their donors.

The republicans have not been in control 24/7 since the 70s when unions started losing ground the middle class was thrown out the window in favor of corporate interests. Either the Dems were complicit, or they simply cannot move progressive policy even when they control congress.

You have obviously bought into identity politics. Most people have.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Money. Stability.

When people feel stressed about money, it’s human nature to lash out at those perceived as getting a free ride or those perceived as a threat.

“I did everything right: worked hard in school, work hard at my job, pay my taxes, etc., so why should “those people” get a free ride?”

Trump knew this anger was bubbling under the surface because he literally paid staff to listen/watch conservative news/talk shows. He built a platform on this, and it worked. Why? Because even moderates and some liberals feel stretched and stressed, making them susceptible to his manipulative talking points.

This isn’t surprising. Racism and classism aren’t unique to America. Go look at Africa and South America and Asia. When economic inequality takes hold, people lash out to protect what they have. Human nature.

And the Dems aren’t exactly victims. The Dems on the Hill has a hand in the policies that have harmed the middle class. This started in the 1970s.

Except that they are not just ‘manipulative talking points’.

When I see my tax money going to support illegal immigrants in MoCo, so much so that my kids’ schools are hiring more and more ESOL/support teachers while cutting music and art - it is frustrating.

When I see my neighborhood being taken over by illegal rentals that house these illegal immigrants, I am frustrated.

When I see the huge increase in hit and runs caused by illegal immigrant drivers who have been given drivers licenses by the Democratic leadership, I am frustrated.

You can pretend that illegal immigration is not a problem because it does not directly affect you. But it does affect some of us, and Democratic rhetoric does not provide any legitimate solutions to the issue.

This can literally be said for just about any political problem. For example, do you complain when racist policies still affect the lives of black people, or because that doesn’t affect you you don’t care?

And there’s one party that wants to hold businesses accountable for their shady practices. Which is to say that if the GOP cared about the effects of illegal immigration (they don’t, they just enjoy whipping up bigots into a frenzy), they’d impose enormous fines on businesses who hire them.

All this is to say: you’re being used.

The GOP base is for fines, yet it never happens because the GOP donors want cheap labor.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Money. Stability.

When people feel stressed about money, it’s human nature to lash out at those perceived as getting a free ride or those perceived as a threat.

“I did everything right: worked hard in school, work hard at my job, pay my taxes, etc., so why should “those people” get a free ride?”

Trump knew this anger was bubbling under the surface because he literally paid staff to listen/watch conservative news/talk shows. He built a platform on this, and it worked. Why? Because even moderates and some liberals feel stretched and stressed, making them susceptible to his manipulative talking points.

This isn’t surprising. Racism and classism aren’t unique to America. Go look at Africa and South America and Asia. When economic inequality takes hold, people lash out to protect what they have. Human nature.

And the Dems aren’t exactly victims. The Dems on the Hill has a hand in the policies that have harmed the middle class. This started in the 1970s.

Except that they are not just ‘manipulative talking points’.

When I see my tax money going to support illegal immigrants in MoCo, so much so that my kids’ schools are hiring more and more ESOL/support teachers while cutting music and art - it is frustrating.

When I see my neighborhood being taken over by illegal rentals that house these illegal immigrants, I am frustrated.

When I see the huge increase in hit and runs caused by illegal immigrant drivers who have been given drivers licenses by the Democratic leadership, I am frustrated.

You can pretend that illegal immigration is not a problem because it does not directly affect you. But it does affect some of us, and Democratic rhetoric does not provide any legitimate solutions to the issue.

I don't even want to hear what you think of African-Americans.

I want to know where this person lives.

[Anonymous]

At this point- nothing.

The US is clearly in decline (our lifestyle and place in the world will be MUCH different 50yrs from now than it is today). Neither party has any power to stop this, realistically.

I think most Americans know this- at least in the backs of their minds- and are scared. People handle fear differently.

[Anonymous]

Holding the Trump administration and any GOP accountable and sweeping anti-corruption legislation and stiffer penalties.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Exhibit A is the nonsense in this thread.

"Don't see it my way? Well, you are RACIST then".

My way or the highway.... OK, highway ......... for YOU.

Bingo. This sums it up perfectly.

As the poster last page typed:

"Oh? You have something against illegal immigration, huh? Well, I can imagine what your views on African Americans must be!"



Setting aside the whole issue of multiple prejudices exemplified in one sentence on the part of the prog who typed that, it's an amazing insight into just how intellectually shallow their entire argument is. "You disagree with me? You're a racist!"


It's baffling that anyone even pays these dolts any attention at all.

Illegal immigration hurts African Americans more than any other demographic. Democrats don't care.

The conflation of the position of AAs in this country with anybody-not-white-male has been a disaster.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Money. Stability.

When people feel stressed about money, it’s human nature to lash out at those perceived as getting a free ride or those perceived as a threat.

“I did everything right: worked hard in school, work hard at my job, pay my taxes, etc., so why should “those people” get a free ride?”

Trump knew this anger was bubbling under the surface because he literally paid staff to listen/watch conservative news/talk shows. He built a platform on this, and it worked. Why? Because even moderates and some liberals feel stretched and stressed, making them susceptible to his manipulative talking points.

This isn’t surprising. Racism and classism aren’t unique to America. Go look at Africa and South America and Asia. When economic inequality takes hold, people lash out to protect what they have. Human nature.

And the Dems aren’t exactly victims. The Dems on the Hill has a hand in the policies that have harmed the middle class. This started in the 1970s.

Except that they are not just ‘manipulative talking points’.

When I see my tax money going to support illegal immigrants in MoCo, so much so that my kids’ schools are hiring more and more ESOL/support teachers while cutting music and art - it is frustrating.

When I see my neighborhood being taken over by illegal rentals that house these illegal immigrants, I am frustrated.

When I see the huge increase in hit and runs caused by illegal immigrant drivers who have been given drivers licenses by the Democratic leadership, I am frustrated.

You can pretend that illegal immigration is not a problem because it does not directly affect you. But it does affect some of us, and Democratic rhetoric does not provide any legitimate solutions to the issue.

I don't even want to hear what you think of African-Americans.

I’m this PP. Other posters responded above.

What do you want to know? I’m always happy to share my opinions.

Also, are you assuming that I am not African American? Why would you do that? There are plenty of African Americans who oppose illegal immigration.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Money. Stability.

When people feel stressed about money, it’s human nature to lash out at those perceived as getting a free ride or those perceived as a threat.

“I did everything right: worked hard in school, work hard at my job, pay my taxes, etc., so why should “those people” get a free ride?”

Trump knew this anger was bubbling under the surface because he literally paid staff to listen/watch conservative news/talk shows. He built a platform on this, and it worked. Why? Because even moderates and some liberals feel stretched and stressed, making them susceptible to his manipulative talking points.

This isn’t surprising. Racism and classism aren’t unique to America. Go look at Africa and South America and Asia. When economic inequality takes hold, people lash out to protect what they have. Human nature.

And the Dems aren’t exactly victims. The Dems on the Hill has a hand in the policies that have harmed the middle class. This started in the 1970s.

Except that they are not just ‘manipulative talking points’.

When I see my tax money going to support illegal immigrants in MoCo, so much so that my kids’ schools are hiring more and more ESOL/support teachers while cutting music and art - it is frustrating.

When I see my neighborhood being taken over by illegal rentals that house these illegal immigrants, I am frustrated.

When I see the huge increase in hit and runs caused by illegal immigrant drivers who have been given drivers licenses by the Democratic leadership, I am frustrated.

You can pretend that illegal immigration is not a problem because it does not directly affect you. But it does affect some of us, and Democratic rhetoric does not provide any legitimate solutions to the issue.

I don't even want to hear what you think of African-Americans.

I want to know where this person lives.

I live in a part of MoCo that is not Potomac or Bethesda. Really, people all over MoCo face these issues - Wheaton, Silver Spring, Rockville, Gaithersburg, Germantown, even Olney.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Money. Stability.

When people feel stressed about money, it’s human nature to lash out at those perceived as getting a free ride or those perceived as a threat.

“I did everything right: worked hard in school, work hard at my job, pay my taxes, etc., so why should “those people” get a free ride?”

Trump knew this anger was bubbling under the surface because he literally paid staff to listen/watch conservative news/talk shows. He built a platform on this, and it worked. Why? Because even moderates and some liberals feel stretched and stressed, making them susceptible to his manipulative talking points.

This isn’t surprising. Racism and classism aren’t unique to America. Go look at Africa and South America and Asia. When economic inequality takes hold, people lash out to protect what they have. Human nature.

And the Dems aren’t exactly victims. The Dems on the Hill has a hand in the policies that have harmed the middle class. This started in the 1970s.

Except that they are not just ‘manipulative talking points’.

When I see my tax money going to support illegal immigrants in MoCo, so much so that my kids’ schools are hiring more and more ESOL/support teachers while cutting music and art - it is frustrating.

When I see my neighborhood being taken over by illegal rentals that house these illegal immigrants, I am frustrated.

When I see the huge increase in hit and runs caused by illegal immigrant drivers who have been given drivers licenses by the Democratic leadership, I am frustrated.

You can pretend that illegal immigration is not a problem because it does not directly affect you. But it does affect some of us, and Democratic rhetoric does not provide any legitimate solutions to the issue.

You just proved my point. And lots of moderates and many liberals feel this way.

Similarly, anyone with Cadillac health insurance doesn’t want to lose their benefits so others can have universal health coverage.

And people who already paid off their student loans don’t want to see the next guy get a free pass.

Obama, Pelosi and Carville have said as much, but the Dems aren’t listening. They’re pandering to the far left on issues that actual divide the base. I think Bloomberg and Mayor Pete get this; and perhaps Klobuchar does as well.

Trump is brilliant in his approach: fan the flames, rally his base, and force the other side to go hard left to play defense...lest they suffer the fate of the purity test and circular firing squad. Bernie is the perfect example...and even Bannon said on Real Time the other night that Bernie is helping Trump. Again: brilliant politics by Trump. Sigh. When will the Dems open their eyes and play to win?

I’m the PP.

You’re right! I was not disagreeing with your post. Just commenting that it’s not all manipulative talking points. Some of us see and experience the negative effects of illegal immigration want the issue addressed.

Agree that wealthy people of both parties benefit from the cheap labor and that’s why the issue has not been solved as of yet.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:
I’m the PP.

You’re right! I was not disagreeing with your post. Just commenting that it’s not all manipulative talking points. Some of us see and experience the negative effects of illegal immigration want the issue addressed.

Agree that wealthy people of both parties benefit from the cheap labor and that’s why the issue has not been solved as of yet.

DP and I agree. But illegal immigration isn’t a widespread problem, overall they tend to be better behaved than citizens, pay in more through sales taxes and the like than they get out and let’s be honest, the immigration of many of our ancestors to this continent/country was questionably legal at best (unless you were Native American).

The reason I continually fault the GOP more for illegal immigration is that they continually empower businesses over workers. You want to pay your workers a sub-legal amount and house them in questionable housing and prevent them from exercising their rights? Quelle surprise American citizens don’t take those jobs, almost as if GOP business owners purposefully created some of those working conditions in order to draw more illegal immigrants who wouldn’t speak out, would accept low pay and dangerous conditions without a word.

And the GOP’s “solution” to this problem? Kidnap and jail kids. If you know the tiniest thing about child development, you know what utter cruelty this is. That’s not a response to illegal immigration, that’s sadism. Fine the businesses into the ground but my god let us regain some of our humanity.

People who cheer for that kind of cruelty? Those are the people undoing the country.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
I’m the PP.

You’re right! I was not disagreeing with your post. Just commenting that it’s not all manipulative talking points. Some of us see and experience the negative effects of illegal immigration want the issue addressed.

Agree that wealthy people of both parties benefit from the cheap labor and that’s why the issue has not been solved as of yet.

DP and I agree. But illegal immigration isn’t a widespread problem, overall they tend to be better behaved than citizens, pay in more through sales taxes and the like than they get out and let’s be honest, the immigration of many of our ancestors to this continent/country was questionably legal at best (unless you were Native American).

The reason I continually fault the GOP more for illegal immigration is that they continually empower businesses over workers. You want to pay your workers a sub-legal amount and house them in questionable housing and prevent them from exercising their rights? Quelle surprise American citizens don’t take those jobs, almost as if GOP business owners purposefully created some of those working conditions in order to draw more illegal immigrants who wouldn’t speak out, would accept low pay and dangerous conditions without a word.

And the GOP’s “solution” to this problem? Kidnap and jail kids. If you know the tiniest thing about child development, you know what utter cruelty this is. That’s not a response to illegal immigration, that’s sadism. Fine the businesses into the ground but my god let us regain some of our humanity.

People who cheer for that kind of cruelty? Those are the people undoing the country.

That’s not the GOP’a solution. This has been going on before Trump came to office.

Either way, the point is that illegal immigration IS actually a problem. Both parties need to figure out a solution. I would be thrilled to see businesses fined for employing illegal immigrants. That is what I think NEEDS to happen.

But it’s not just Republicans that support business owners. Follow the money. Plenty of Democrat donors are wealthy business owners and don’t want to see their stream of cheap labor curtailed.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
I’m the PP.

You’re right! I was not disagreeing with your post. Just commenting that it’s not all manipulative talking points. Some of us see and experience the negative effects of illegal immigration want the issue addressed.

Agree that wealthy people of both parties benefit from the cheap labor and that’s why the issue has not been solved as of yet.

DP and I agree. But illegal immigration isn’t a widespread problem, overall they tend to be better behaved than citizens, pay in more through sales taxes and the like than they get out and let’s be honest, the immigration of many of our ancestors to this continent/country was questionably legal at best (unless you were Native American).

The reason I continually fault the GOP more for illegal immigration is that they continually empower businesses over workers. You want to pay your workers a sub-legal amount and house them in questionable housing and prevent them from exercising their rights? Quelle surprise American citizens don’t take those jobs, almost as if GOP business owners purposefully created some of those working conditions in order to draw more illegal immigrants who wouldn’t speak out, would accept low pay and dangerous conditions without a word.

And the GOP’s “solution” to this problem? Kidnap and jail kids. If you know the tiniest thing about child development, you know what utter cruelty this is. That’s not a response to illegal immigration, that’s sadism. Fine the businesses into the ground but my god let us regain some of our humanity.

People who cheer for that kind of cruelty? Those are the people undoing the country.

The immigration policy changed dramatically this summer. Google MPP/stay in Mexico policy.

The unpaid taxes bother me. And plenty of citizens play the system and avoid taxes (think: plumbers, contractors, restaurants, and anyone who deals in cash that can easily NOT be reported).

There is a very real impact on our schools in MoCo.

We can’t just have open borders. Google images for the tent cities in Mexico that popped up since the policy change.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
I’m the PP.

You’re right! I was not disagreeing with your post. Just commenting that it’s not all manipulative talking points. Some of us see and experience the negative effects of illegal immigration want the issue addressed.

Agree that wealthy people of both parties benefit from the cheap labor and that’s why the issue has not been solved as of yet.

DP and I agree. But illegal immigration isn’t a widespread problem, overall they tend to be better behaved than citizens, pay in more through sales taxes and the like than they get out and let’s be honest, the immigration of many of our ancestors to this continent/country was questionably legal at best (unless you were Native American).

The reason I continually fault the GOP more for illegal immigration is that they continually empower businesses over workers. You want to pay your workers a sub-legal amount and house them in questionable housing and prevent them from exercising their rights? Quelle surprise American citizens don’t take those jobs, almost as if GOP business owners purposefully created some of those working conditions in order to draw more illegal immigrants who wouldn’t speak out, would accept low pay and dangerous conditions without a word.

And the GOP’s “solution” to this problem? Kidnap and jail kids. If you know the tiniest thing about child development, you know what utter cruelty this is. That’s not a response to illegal immigration, that’s sadism. Fine the businesses into the ground but my god let us regain some of our humanity.

People who cheer for that kind of cruelty? Those are the people undoing the country.

Nobody is cheering for that kind of cruelty. Not Democrats and not Republicans. Nobody.

And honestly, the Democrats are the ones enticing more people into risking their lives to protect the cheap labor source. “Sure, come work for low wages, we’ll give you health insurance and free schooling for the kids!” So what if some people die on their way here. As long as the construction companies get their cheap workers and you have people to mow your lawn for next to noting.

THAT is cruelty.

Stop promising illegal immigrants free stuff and watch the flow dwindle.