Just came off a 48 hour fast

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Re the focus on only doing this with a doctor's advice.

With regard to diabetes, the medical advice is colored by pharma, which makes billions on diabetes medicine. The current standard of care for diabetes that gets too far is to recommend bariatric surgery. That is because, like fasting, it reduces food intake and reduces insulin levels and viola, Type II diabetes is reversed. The medical community appears to be coming along slowly on this front. If he followed his doctor's advice of starting medication my DH would have been on medication for almost 2 years now and probably would still feel miserable, be gaining weight and getting worse. Yes, the side effects of diabetes medications are often weight gain, which exacerbates the illness. By treating the symptons and not the cause they are making patients sicker.

So, no, we did not follow the doctor's advice, we researched it and decided to starting with low carb (this was medical advice) and intermittent fasting, along with monitoring his blood sugar levels daily to make sure nothing was going wrong and the medical professionals could not be happier with his progress. Has he risked his health by skipping breakfast most days. Not at all. Is he healthier than he was 2 years ago, absolutely.

Managing insulin resistance is a matter of both meal timing and diet.

I absolutely agree that a patient that is taking insulin for diabetes needs to fast with doctor supervision as their medication needs to be adjusted as their insulin levels reduce as a funciton of the fasting.

Your husband is doing an awesome job and I'm sure that he will never regret taking the bull by the horns and wrestling type II to the ground. I did the same thing - low carb, IF, exercise - I dropped weight and feel great. Yes, it takes some discipline but it is totally worth it to me if it keeps me from developing type II and going on diabetes meds. Plus, I get the added benefit of looking a lot better and wearing cute clothes .

[Anonymous]

What's CRAZY to me about all these posts is that the concept of "six meals a day" or "eat before you get hungry" has been drilled into us for so long, that people believe that is healthy. You should consider facts.

1) "Starvation mode" is a myth, and there is no such thing as keeping your metabolism up by eating frequently
2) You can function very normally for several days without harm to your body, assuming you are otherwise healthy
3) Humans often misinterpret hunger cues for many reasons, which you can read about if you want

To say that you absolutely cannot function without food for 12 hours is disordered to me, just as it would be disordered to say I ate a candy bar so I have to run 2 miles to burn it off or I feel weak and am having hunger pains, but I'm going to suffer through it because I want to lose weight.
Most of us have probably gone a full day without eating inadvertently, maybe due to being busy at work or travelling without access to food, or something like that, and functioned just fine.

You can feel that fasting doesn't work for you, because not everyone's body processes insulin the same way. But you cannot make the claims that physiologically, everyone's bodies need food constantly. It just isn't true.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:What's CRAZY to me about all these posts is that the concept of "six meals a day" or "eat before you get hungry" has been drilled into us for so long, that people believe that is healthy. You should consider facts.

1) "Starvation mode" is a myth, and there is no such thing as keeping your metabolism up by eating frequently
2) You can function very normally for several days without harm to your body, assuming you are otherwise healthy
3) Humans often misinterpret hunger cues for many reasons, which you can read about if you want

To say that you absolutely cannot function without food for 12 hours is disordered to me, just as it would be disordered to say I ate a candy bar so I have to run 2 miles to burn it off or I feel weak and am having hunger pains, but I'm going to suffer through it because I want to lose weight.
Most of us have probably gone a full day without eating inadvertently, maybe due to being busy at work or travelling without access to food, or something like that, and functioned just fine.

You can feel that fasting doesn't work for you, because not everyone's body processes insulin the same way. But you cannot make the claims that physiologically, everyone's bodies need food constantly. It just isn't true.

+1000 Yet, trainers and nutritionists spout this line of bull ALL the time. Adults do not need to eat like newborn babies. Healthy grown bodies can, in fact, do without food for a stretch of time. What you don't want to do is walk around with chronically jacked up blood sugar.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Re the focus on only doing this with a doctor's advice.

With regard to diabetes, the medical advice is colored by pharma, which makes billions on diabetes medicine. The current standard of care for diabetes that gets too far is to recommend bariatric surgery. That is because, like fasting, it reduces food intake and reduces insulin levels and viola, Type II diabetes is reversed. The medical community appears to be coming along slowly on this front. If he followed his doctor's advice of starting medication my DH would have been on medication for almost 2 years now and probably would still feel miserable, be gaining weight and getting worse. Yes, the side effects of diabetes medications are often weight gain, which exacerbates the illness. By treating the symptons and not the cause they are making patients sicker.

So, no, we did not follow the doctor's advice, we researched it and decided to starting with low carb (this was medical advice) and intermittent fasting, along with monitoring his blood sugar levels daily to make sure nothing was going wrong and the medical professionals could not be happier with his progress. Has he risked his health by skipping breakfast most days. Not at all. Is he healthier than he was 2 years ago, absolutely.

Managing insulin resistance is a matter of both meal timing and diet.

I absolutely agree that a patient that is taking insulin for diabetes needs to fast with doctor supervision as their medication needs to be adjusted as their insulin levels reduce as a funciton of the fasting.

Your husband is doing an awesome job and I'm sure that he will never regret taking the bull by the horns and wrestling type II to the ground. I did the same thing - low carb, IF, exercise - I dropped weight and feel great. Yes, it takes some discipline but it is totally worth it to me if it keeps me from developing type II and going on diabetes meds. Plus, I get the added benefit of looking a lot better and wearing cute clothes .

Thanks and kudos to you as well!

What was the craziest to me was how I really needed to search to find this information when he got his diagnosis. Type II diabetes is an epidemic in this country with devastating health consequences, this should be information that is more readily available from medical professionals.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:What's CRAZY to me about all these posts is that the concept of "six meals a day" or "eat before you get hungry" has been drilled into us for so long, that people believe that is healthy. You should consider facts.

1) "Starvation mode" is a myth, and there is no such thing as keeping your metabolism up by eating frequently
2) You can function very normally for several days without harm to your body, assuming you are otherwise healthy
3) Humans often misinterpret hunger cues for many reasons, which you can read about if you want

To say that you absolutely cannot function without food for 12 hours is disordered to me, just as it would be disordered to say I ate a candy bar so I have to run 2 miles to burn it off or I feel weak and am having hunger pains, but I'm going to suffer through it because I want to lose weight.
Most of us have probably gone a full day without eating inadvertently, maybe due to being busy at work or travelling without access to food, or something like that, and functioned just fine.

You can feel that fasting doesn't work for you, because not everyone's body processes insulin the same way. But you cannot make the claims that physiologically, everyone's bodies need food constantly. It just isn't true.

+1000 Yet, trainers and nutritionists spout this line of bull ALL the time. Adults do not need to eat like newborn babies. Healthy grown bodies can, in fact, do without food for a stretch of time. What you don't want to do is walk around with chronically jacked up blood sugar.

Who is saying that adults need to eat like newborn babies? The all or nothing thinking on many of these posts is telling.

Look, if IF works for you, great. But the claim that everyone who doesn't do it is a fat fatty who can't control their eating suggests unhealthy attitudes towards food (and fat). Do you not see that?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:What's CRAZY to me about all these posts is that the concept of "six meals a day" or "eat before you get hungry" has been drilled into us for so long, that people believe that is healthy. You should consider facts.

1) "Starvation mode" is a myth, and there is no such thing as keeping your metabolism up by eating frequently
2) You can function very normally for several days without harm to your body, assuming you are otherwise healthy
3) Humans often misinterpret hunger cues for many reasons, which you can read about if you want

To say that you absolutely cannot function without food for 12 hours is disordered to me, just as it would be disordered to say I ate a candy bar so I have to run 2 miles to burn it off or I feel weak and am having hunger pains, but I'm going to suffer through it because I want to lose weight.
Most of us have probably gone a full day without eating inadvertently, maybe due to being busy at work or travelling without access to food, or something like that, and functioned just fine.

You can feel that fasting doesn't work for you, because not everyone's body processes insulin the same way. But you cannot make the claims that physiologically, everyone's bodies need food constantly. It just isn't true.

+1000 Yet, trainers and nutritionists spout this line of bull ALL the time. Adults do not need to eat like newborn babies. Healthy grown bodies can, in fact, do without food for a stretch of time. What you don't want to do is walk around with chronically jacked up blood sugar.

Who is saying that adults need to eat like newborn babies? The all or nothing thinking on many of these posts is telling.

Look, if IF works for you, great. But the claim that everyone who doesn't do it is a fat fatty who can't control their eating suggests unhealthy attitudes towards food (and fat). Do you not see that?

You do not need a "healthy" snack every 4 hours. You just don't. Our bodies are meant to go for stretches without eating.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:What's CRAZY to me about all these posts is that the concept of "six meals a day" or "eat before you get hungry" has been drilled into us for so long, that people believe that is healthy. You should consider facts.

1) "Starvation mode" is a myth, and there is no such thing as keeping your metabolism up by eating frequently
2) You can function very normally for several days without harm to your body, assuming you are otherwise healthy
3) Humans often misinterpret hunger cues for many reasons, which you can read about if you want

To say that you absolutely cannot function without food for 12 hours is disordered to me, just as it would be disordered to say I ate a candy bar so I have to run 2 miles to burn it off or I feel weak and am having hunger pains, but I'm going to suffer through it because I want to lose weight.
Most of us have probably gone a full day without eating inadvertently, maybe due to being busy at work or travelling without access to food, or something like that, and functioned just fine.

You can feel that fasting doesn't work for you, because not everyone's body processes insulin the same way. But you cannot make the claims that physiologically, everyone's bodies need food constantly. It just isn't true.

+1000 Yet, trainers and nutritionists spout this line of bull ALL the time. Adults do not need to eat like newborn babies. Healthy grown bodies can, in fact, do without food for a stretch of time. What you don't want to do is walk around with chronically jacked up blood sugar.

Who is saying that adults need to eat like newborn babies? The all or nothing thinking on many of these posts is telling.

Look, if IF works for you, great. But the claim that everyone who doesn't do it is a fat fatty who can't control their eating suggests unhealthy attitudes towards food (and fat). Do you not see that?

You do not need a "healthy" snack every 4 hours. You just don't. Our bodies are meant to go for stretches without eating.

Your body is not like my body. If nothing else, I've learned that from this thread. I do need to eat every few hours. And I am a thin, fit middle aged woman. I'm not starving myself on a daily basis pretending that it's healthier than keeping myself fed.

This thread is incredibly depressing.

[Anonymous]

I do not begrudge anyone the choice to eat snacks or 3 or 5 meals a day if it is working for them. There is nothing depressing about people looking for and doing what works for their health.

I do not know what works for you and you do not know what works for me. If someone asks I will tell them what works for me and what I have read and where.

Most people are just doing their best. A little less judgment when someone shares what is working for them would go a long way. This thread went crazy when uneducated people started criticizing OP for sharing what was working for him/her.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:What's CRAZY to me about all these posts is that the concept of "six meals a day" or "eat before you get hungry" has been drilled into us for so long, that people believe that is healthy. You should consider facts.

1) "Starvation mode" is a myth, and there is no such thing as keeping your metabolism up by eating frequently
2) You can function very normally for several days without harm to your body, assuming you are otherwise healthy
3) Humans often misinterpret hunger cues for many reasons, which you can read about if you want

To say that you absolutely cannot function without food for 12 hours is disordered to me, just as it would be disordered to say I ate a candy bar so I have to run 2 miles to burn it off or I feel weak and am having hunger pains, but I'm going to suffer through it because I want to lose weight.
Most of us have probably gone a full day without eating inadvertently, maybe due to being busy at work or travelling without access to food, or something like that, and functioned just fine.

You can feel that fasting doesn't work for you, because not everyone's body processes insulin the same way. But you cannot make the claims that physiologically, everyone's bodies need food constantly. It just isn't true.

+1000 Yet, trainers and nutritionists spout this line of bull ALL the time. Adults do not need to eat like newborn babies. Healthy grown bodies can, in fact, do without food for a stretch of time. What you don't want to do is walk around with chronically jacked up blood sugar.

Who is saying that adults need to eat like newborn babies? The all or nothing thinking on many of these posts is telling.

Look, if IF works for you, great. But the claim that everyone who doesn't do it is a fat fatty who can't control their eating suggests unhealthy attitudes towards food (and fat). Do you not see that?

You do not need a "healthy" snack every 4 hours. You just don't. Our bodies are meant to go for stretches without eating.

And you know what my body needs how, exactly? You just don’t. *Your* body may be meant to go for stretches without eating; *my* body functions much better when I eat several times a day.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:But I'll ask: Are any of you doing this at the urging of your doctor? Do you talk to your doctor about your eating patterns? Do the doctors tell you it's a good idea to go 48 hours without eating? Which doctor told you that, if so?

And are you fasting for some reason other than weight loss or weight maintenance? I'm not saying do you experience secondary benefits - like the mental clarity and feeling of control some of you have mentioned - but if you stopped losing weight, or stopped maintaining your weight, would you keep going two full days without eating?

Yes, my oncologist has encouraged me to fast to promote autophagy. I’ve been doing 18/6 fasting for 4 years now. There are tons of articles if you look up cancer and fasting, but here’s a brief look:

https://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/324169.php

I’ve been practicing IM for so long it’s second nature now. I haven’t lost much weight, but it’s easy enough to do—if it has anything to do with preventing metastasis, I’m all for it!