PARCC data is up

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Anonymous wrote:I am just absolutely gobsmacked by the number of HRCS that turned in flat, weak, or downright alarming PARCC scores. I know there are reasons other than test scores that people choose these schools, but it is eye-opening to see it laid out like this.

It’s kinda buried in the PowerPoint deck presented today, but one of the big stories on PARCC (again) should be the success of DCPS overall in relationship to the charters. https://osse.dc.gov/sites/default/files/dc/sites/osse/page_content/attachments/2019%20Statewide%20ELA%20and%20Math%20Public%20Results.pdf

For all students in ELA - DCPS 39.9%, DC charters 34.2%
For all students in Math - DCPS 32.4%, DC charters 28.7%

The trend holds for most grade levels and subgroups, with the gap between DCPS and charters widening as DCPS made more growth this year. Take it all with a big grain of salt given differences between the sectors that make direct comparison tricky and we need to put these tests in their appropriate place. But the conventional wisdom about HRCS isn’t always true.

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Anonymous wrote:Hello 50 point achievement gap at its.

For those who blast ITS and Cmi as per schools, Cmi seems to be doing better at closing the achievement gap

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Anonymous wrote:Large EOTP non-charter High Schools scraping the barrel bottom with math scores in the 0% - 3% range.

Ballou: 5% / 2%
Cardoza: 13% / 4%
Dunbar: 16% / 0%
Eastern: 25% / 0%

Why isn't this the #1 story in the city?

Wow.

And incredibly those are the schools with $100M+ flashy new buildings. What a waste, and what incredible levels of corruption and incompetence.

Poor kids.

Most of the kids are extremely at risk. Are you saying they don’t deserve a new building? This is nothing new. There are extremely at risk kids all over the country that can’t pass a standardized test, particular kids of color. That doesn’t mean they don’t deserve a nice building to be in.

I agree that this should be #1 article in the WP! What is this city doing to educate its most at risk kids? Building shiny buildings is not enough.

I taught at one of these schools. It starts at home. The kids aren't coming to school to learn the material in the first place. If they do come, they've been socially advanced to the point that they can't keep up with grade level work. How can you succeed in an Algebra class when you can't multiply or divide? But if you take the time to teach basic math, then you're dinged for not providing "rigorous" work. We were required to have a certain percentage sit for the test, which is completely beyond our control. That didn't stop them from sending teachers, security, and counseling staff out at the beginning of the day to the kids' neighborhoods to beg them to get in the car and ride back to school. Security would walk up to the carryouts and corner stores and practically bribe the kids with sandwiches to come to school. The ones who came were so uninterested that they'd finish the test in 10 minutes.

You have to make them want to go to college in the first place in order to be invested in the results of a college readiness test. The only way that's going to happen is if you give them a life that can see beyond the next two weeks. A lot of them have so much going on that being alive at eighteen to go to college is 50/50.

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Anonymous wrote:LAMB down quite a bit. Mundo is underwhelming as well.

Lee Montessori is also really disappointing. Down overall in ELA, only slightly better in math. But their black performance is really low -- 0 in math and 13% in ELA.

Seriously ZERO!!!????

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Anonymous wrote:Large EOTP non-charter High Schools scraping the barrel bottom with math scores in the 0% - 3% range.

Ballou: 5% / 2%
Cardoza: 13% / 4%
Dunbar: 16% / 0%
Eastern: 25% / 0%

Why isn't this the #1 story in the city?

Wow.

And incredibly those are the schools with $100M+ flashy new buildings. What a waste, and what incredible levels of corruption and incompetence.

Poor kids.

Most of the kids are extremely at risk. Are you saying they don’t deserve a new building? This is nothing new. There are extremely at risk kids all over the country that can’t pass a standardized test, particular kids of color. That doesn’t mean they don’t deserve a nice building to be in.

I agree that this should be #1 article in the WP! What is this city doing to educate its most at risk kids? Building shiny buildings is not enough.

I taught at one of these schools. It starts at home. The kids aren't coming to school to learn the material in the first place. If they do come, they've been socially advanced to the point that they can't keep up with grade level work. How can you succeed in an Algebra class when you can't multiply or divide? But if you take the time to teach basic math, then you're dinged for not providing "rigorous" work. We were required to have a certain percentage sit for the test, which is completely beyond our control. That didn't stop them from sending teachers, security, and counseling staff out at the beginning of the day to the kids' neighborhoods to beg them to get in the car and ride back to school. Security would walk up to the carryouts and corner stores and practically bribe the kids with sandwiches to come to school. The ones who came were so uninterested that they'd finish the test in 10 minutes.

You have to make them want to go to college in the first place in order to be invested in the results of a college readiness test. The only way that's going to happen is if you give them a life that can see beyond the next two weeks. A lot of them have so much going on that being alive at eighteen to go to college is 50/50.

I feel like this point is missed too often, and a good part of it is it off the hands of the school. Have you ever sat through a training class for something you didn't think you needed to know? I pick up almost nothing of it. But first show me why I'm learning it and it'll stick. Kids are the same way. We have a lot of work to show them opportunity. We've really been blowing it in some areas and it's often tied to race and class.

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Anonymous wrote:most depressing experience so far is looking at the EOTP schools near me and seeing in the spreadsheets that of any group, the number of students that actually hit the exceeds category at the top reflects 1 student, sometimes 2 students.

I want someone to find those 1-2 students in the low performing schools and give them the world. They must be so remarkable.

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Anonymous wrote:most depressing experience so far is looking at the EOTP schools near me and seeing in the spreadsheets that of any group, the number of students that actually hit the exceeds category at the top reflects 1 student, sometimes 2 students.

I want someone to find those 1-2 students in the low performing schools and give them the world. They must be so remarkable.

How about finding the many more who could with something more. There is so much potential in these kids. What do the 1-2 get that the others don't??

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Anonymous wrote:Sela is like 23% at risk, so actually their numbers are pretty good for this population. In Ward 4 (not saying much), they beat everyone, except LAMB which they are roughly on par with. This could be the danger of a small size - they can swing widely from year to year.

Yes, Sela is impressive. I wonder how much of that is driven by tiny cohorts that are receiving lots of individual attention (and maybe additional funding from Sela's founders, outside of the per pupil funding?). Last year, they had 24 3rd, 19 4th, and 6 5th graders. (not so different from Shining Stars or Lee, actually)

Hmm, maybe the better takeaway is that if you have a truly tiny testing cohort, it's hard to come to any conclusions about what your scores mean. Because with tiny cohorts, Lee and Shining Stars are not getting the same results as Sela.

Sela had one good test. Still unimpressive overall.

[Anonymous]

Wow. Hardy Middle had some big gains again. What’s going on there?

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Anonymous wrote:Sela is like 23% at risk, so actually their numbers are pretty good for this population. In Ward 4 (not saying much), they beat everyone, except LAMB which they are roughly on par with. This could be the danger of a small size - they can swing widely from year to year.

Yes, Sela is impressive. I wonder how much of that is driven by tiny cohorts that are receiving lots of individual attention (and maybe additional funding from Sela's founders, outside of the per pupil funding?). Last year, they had 24 3rd, 19 4th, and 6 5th graders. (not so different from Shining Stars or Lee, actually)

Hmm, maybe the better takeaway is that if you have a truly tiny testing cohort, it's hard to come to any conclusions about what your scores mean. Because with tiny cohorts, Lee and Shining Stars are not getting the same results as Sela.

Sela had one good test. Still unimpressive overall.

??? Based on what?

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Anonymous wrote:Hello 50 point achievement gap at its.

Isn't it always bad at ITS? I know it was last year.

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Anonymous wrote:New North is doomed - look at Takoma and West’s pathetic scores.

West doesn’t go to New North.

Whittier does though and was a bright spot. The others are Truesdell, Brightwood, and Takoma.

Whittier is decent - why are the others so poor?

The schools that feed to Wells are Whittier, Takoma, Lasalle-Backus, and Brightwood.

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Anonymous wrote:New North is doomed - look at Takoma and West’s pathetic scores.

West doesn’t go to New North.

Whittier does though and was a bright spot. The others are Truesdell, Brightwood, and Takoma.

Whittier is decent - why are the others so poor?

The schools that feed to Wells are Whittier, Takoma, Lasalle-Backus, and Brightwood.

With the exception of Whittier, all of these schools performed really poorly.

[Anonymous]

I haven’t had a chance to read most of this thread, but it’s striking how much higher Basis’ scores are than Latin’s.

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Anonymous wrote:I am just absolutely gobsmacked by the number of HRCS that turned in flat, weak, or downright alarming PARCC scores. I know there are reasons other than test scores that people choose these schools, but it is eye-opening to see it laid out like this.

It’s kinda buried in the PowerPoint deck presented today, but one of the big stories on PARCC (again) should be the success of DCPS overall in relationship to the charters. https://osse.dc.gov/sites/default/files/dc/sites/osse/page_content/attachments/2019%20Statewide%20ELA%20and%20Math%20Public%20Results.pdf

For all students in ELA - DCPS 39.9%, DC charters 34.2%
For all students in Math - DCPS 32.4%, DC charters 28.7%

The trend holds for most grade levels and subgroups, with the gap between DCPS and charters widening as DCPS made more growth this year. Take it all with a big grain of salt given differences between the sectors that make direct comparison tricky and we need to put these tests in their appropriate place. But the conventional wisdom about HRCS isn’t always true.

At the grade level I noticed several majority low income neighborhood DCPS matching HRCS, KIPP, DC prep, etc. Don’t charters have more motivation to teach to the test given their accountability framework? Notice the lack of the typical chest thumping press release from the PCSB as in prior years. And they approved 5 new charters?