Not sure which HRCS the original PP was referring to, but the common wisdom seems to be that the kids in immersion programs should be meeting their peers in traditional programs by the 5th grade. Who knows if that’s backed by research but it makes sense to me that at least at 3rd and possibly 4th, comparing traditional to immersion programs is apples to oranges. |
As prior poster it’s true I was looking at immersion Lamb, YY, MV, but also ITS. Did not look up others which may show similar trend. Did see that by fifth they seem to catch up to average more or less in immersion, although not quite. |
YY’s 5th grade white and AA students exceeded their respective demographic DC averages in both ELA and Math, though there is still a huge gap between the scores. |
Of course you shouldn’t be judged. Who are you to judge anybody? |
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| I thought the research on dual language programs led to the view that 7th grade was when you were supposed to get to parity. |
You can find available data for SY17-18 at this link https://osse.dc.gov/page/dc-school-report-card-resource-library under the 2018 STAR Framework Cross-Tabulated Student Group Data File. The 2019 cross-tabulated student group data is not yet available. |
Interesting. I'm a single parent, but I have only one child. What I have noticed is that a lot of married people have 2+ kids, and have a very difficult time staying on top of all of their kids' activities and assignments. Of course the research does bear this out. https://www.businessinsider.com/heres-why-only-children-are-more-successful-2013-11 |
| Number of siblings might also play a role. |
DP here and never had kids at CMI. Your statement isn't fair. CMI is very good with social emotional skills and more up-to-date child development philosophies, stronger SPED program, etc. Shepherd has very outdated practices, isn't AT ALL progressive, generally falls behind with social emotional skills of teachers, has a very poor SPED program, etc. You could argue that her white child might have scored higher on PARCC if she sent her kids to Shepherd, but that mom was right on target that CMI fit her educational philosophy more if she was looking for a more progressive model. Kudos to Shepherd for teaching ELA and math to white kids, they deserve that (I won't get into the gap here). We shouldn't diminish this accomplishment, but there are reasons some IB families choose other public options over Shepherd aside from PARCC scores. There's no excuse for how the school operates given the high SES levels of the IB community. Let's see what this school year brings and if the new leadership team can improve some of these weaknesses. I hope they start by inviting all IB residents to discuss the issues and delve into the reasons that many IB parents choose other schools. |
"Your statement isn't fair" ... proceeds to crap all over a high-performing school with broad sweeping statements. |
High performing *for white students*. FTFY |
Incorrect. Aside from Key (which doesn't have enough at-risk kids to account for in the data), Shepherd's scores for black kids are on par with or better than the JKLM schools. Try to have an idea what you're talking about, please. |
Above post is logical and honest and I’m sure some people appreciate it. We don’t have a child at Shepard but oh come on. It’s obvious from previous posts and many others on DCUM that whenever anyone posts a concern or non stellar post about Shepard, you get attacked, called racist and not want to be around at risk kids, etc. I don’t know what it is but some Shepard posters are very defensive, have an inferiority concept with WOTP schools, uses the race card, are desperate for their IB families to buy into the school or something. |
No kidding. I don't care if people want to go to other schools, I prefer it. I just thought it was funny that the PP responded to someone saying someting (logical, and appreciated by others, I'm sure) about CMI not having as good of scores by calling it "unfair" and then proceeding to rant about how terrible Shepherd is, up to and including the teachers having low social emotional skills. Seems perfectly fair and not at all biased or histrionic. |