Hardy MS

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Anonymous wrote:Lets wait until there are no W3 kids in trailers and the schools have excess capacity before going on a building boom.


Why wait? None of the residents will be coming for the schools, given that the pyramid is now crap, because of Wilson. QED.


You sound quite gleeful. Greater Washington, perhaps?


Just trying to get clarity.

Is the Deal zone still desirable for families with kids, or not?


98% of parents in DC would tell you that the entire Wilson feeder pattern is desirable for families with kids.

I think a tiny minority on DCUM are saying they will avoid Wilson when the time comes. Who knows what they will actually do.


That, or someone who works for the developer lobby is trying to create the impression that some people will avoid Wilson. I think the odds are close to zero that any parent who is talking about avoiding Wilson today would have considered sending their kids there the in the years before "Honors for All" was being implemented.

According to my kid, there has been a really significant change in the environment of the school due to:

1. Under-the-radar efforts to get rid of kids with serious discipline issues (not sure how, but my kid knows of many kids with a history of fights or drug sales who were at Wilson and were suddenly gone after the rash of overdoses in, I think, 2017).

2. The changing demographic makeup of the student body with more in boundary kids, a change that my kid laments but many parents who are afraid of a diverse school probably welcome.



Yes indeed. #2 is a huge factor. We’ve had at least one kid at Wilson for six years, and the demographics have changed dramatically in that time.
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Anonymous wrote:I don’t think it is a tiny minority, our neighborhood still hemorrhages good families when middle school and high school near.


Which neighborhood?


Palisades


Palisades has never had a significant # of kids going to Hardy & then Wilson. Key is the last adopter of the Hardy schools currently - all of the other schools in the pattern have had a huge uptick - but remember this is a school where parents were petitioning to keep a principal who swept and ineptly dealt with a major racist incident this year. So it's not really part of this equation. Overall the Wilson feeder network is WAY overcrowded - hence all the overcrowding Ward 3 network committees. There's trailers at Deal, Hardy is expanding to accommodate students and Wilson keeps growing and having fewer and fewer spaces for OOB kids. DCUM is often in fantasy land...


Wait, was there really s petition? I didn't see it. I keep checking the new principals thread, a bit in disbelief that the Key principal isn't out.


Yes, there was literally a big petition from parents who supported keeping him. MOST of those parents who did support him are the ones who are on track to peel off for privates and/or already have for this coming year... it is pretty unbelievable he was allowed to stay.


Link? I'm a Key parent and I never saw it. How was it circulated?
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Anonymous wrote:I don’t think it is a tiny minority, our neighborhood still hemorrhages good families when middle school and high school near.


Which neighborhood?


Palisades


Palisades has never had a significant # of kids going to Hardy & then Wilson. Key is the last adopter of the Hardy schools currently - all of the other schools in the pattern have had a huge uptick - but remember this is a school where parents were petitioning to keep a principal who swept and ineptly dealt with a major racist incident this year. So it's not really part of this equation. Overall the Wilson feeder network is WAY overcrowded - hence all the overcrowding Ward 3 network committees. There's trailers at Deal, Hardy is expanding to accommodate students and Wilson keeps growing and having fewer and fewer spaces for OOB kids. DCUM is often in fantasy land...


Wait, was there really s petition? I didn't see it. I keep checking the new principals thread, a bit in disbelief that the Key principal isn't out.


Yes, there was literally a big petition from parents who supported keeping him. MOST of those parents who did support him are the ones who are on track to peel off for privates and/or already have for this coming year... it is pretty unbelievable he was allowed to stay.


Link? I'm a Key parent and I never saw it. How was it circulated?


+1. Also Key family, saw and heard nothing of this. There were many "listening sessions" at the school on this topic, where surely this would have been mentioned.
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Anonymous wrote:Lets wait until there are no W3 kids in trailers and the schools have excess capacity before going on a building boom.


Why wait? None of the residents will be coming for the schools, given that the pyramid is now crap, because of Wilson. QED.


You sound quite gleeful. Greater Washington, perhaps?


Just trying to get clarity.

Is the Deal zone still desirable for families with kids, or not?


98% of parents in DC would tell you that the entire Wilson feeder pattern is desirable for families with kids.

I think a tiny minority on DCUM are saying they will avoid Wilson when the time comes. Who knows what they will actually do.


That, or someone who works for the developer lobby is trying to create the impression that some people will avoid Wilson. I think the odds are close to zero that any parent who is talking about avoiding Wilson today would have considered sending their kids there the in the years before "Honors for All" was being implemented.

According to my kid, there has been a really significant change in the environment of the school due to:

1. Under-the-radar efforts to get rid of kids with serious discipline issues (not sure how, but my kid knows of many kids with a history of fights or drug sales who were at Wilson and were suddenly gone after the rash of overdoses in, I think, 2017).

2. The changing demographic makeup of the student body with more in boundary kids, a change that my kid laments but many parents who are afraid of a diverse school probably welcome.



Yes indeed. #2 is a huge factor. We’ve had at least one kid at Wilson for six years, and the demographics have changed dramatically in that time.


Just the fact that white kids are the majority population blows my mind.
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Anonymous wrote:I don’t think it is a tiny minority, our neighborhood still hemorrhages good families when middle school and high school near.


Which neighborhood?


Palisades


Palisades has never had a significant # of kids going to Hardy & then Wilson. Key is the last adopter of the Hardy schools currently - all of the other schools in the pattern have had a huge uptick - but remember this is a school where parents were petitioning to keep a principal who swept and ineptly dealt with a major racist incident this year. So it's not really part of this equation. Overall the Wilson feeder network is WAY overcrowded - hence all the overcrowding Ward 3 network committees. There's trailers at Deal, Hardy is expanding to accommodate students and Wilson keeps growing and having fewer and fewer spaces for OOB kids. DCUM is often in fantasy land...


Wait, was there really s petition? I didn't see it. I keep checking the new principals thread, a bit in disbelief that the Key principal isn't out.


Yes, there was literally a big petition from parents who supported keeping him. MOST of those parents who did support him are the ones who are on track to peel off for privates and/or already have for this coming year... it is pretty unbelievable he was allowed to stay.


Link? I'm a Key parent and I never saw it. How was it circulated?


+1. Also Key family, saw and heard nothing of this. There were many "listening sessions" at the school on this topic, where surely this would have been mentioned.



It was extensively emailed around - I must have received via email from more than a dozen different people -- more than 100 parents signed it & a set of very influential parents (wealthy, big donors) hand delivered it in a meeting with the Mayor in March - text below...


As you all are aware, there was an incident at Key Elementary School in the Fall of 2018 wherein a white 5th grader bullied three black students with a racial slur. The response from Key leadership and staff was not swift or strong enough for the injured families and others in the Key community. However, we are confident the Key response was not discriminatory in nature. Principal Landeryou and his team have educated thousands of children for decades with care and concern for every child without consideration of race, religion, gender, or income.
Principal Landeryou and his team have apologized. They are also committed to improving their protocols and transparency - they can and should meet a minimal expectation that every child is safe and treated with respect on the Key campus. But we urge DCPS to provide more leadership, resources, training, and guidance.
DCPS must update its 2013 anti-bullying policies and procedures to reflect modern times, and set a schedule for review/updates no more than every 3 years in order to maintain its relevance. In particular, please address the following:
What is your training strategy for diversity and inclusion? Is it required for all DCPS personnel? How frequently does continuing education occur on this topic? How is it funded?
Do any forms of bullying require a special or different response than other offenses in this category? If so, please specify.
Specify timelines for response - for offenders and their families, for offended children and their families. Provide clear instruction as to whether the response is to be handled at the school or DCPS level.
Identify and enumerate if different responses are warranted at ES, MS, and HS campuses.
Spell out enforcement strategies. Who in DCPS insures that individual schools follow policies and procedures? What happens when they don’t? Is there a probationary period, and if so, what does that look like?
Are Diversity Officers or other resources able to be dispatched to a school, when needed? Do any schools have that position filled in a permanent or part-time fashion?
What are the strict privacy rules for minors that must be adhered to by administrators and teachers? What is the balance between the right for privacy vs. the right-to-know for wider school community?
Principal Landeryou and his team embody the hallmarks of Key Elementary School - care, curiosity, inclusivity, respect, and trust - and we strongly object to any personnel changes in response to this incident. It is imperative that DCPS amend and clarify its policies so that every adult and child in the system feels safe and is being provided with the appropriate guidance and role models.
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Anonymous wrote:I don’t think it is a tiny minority, our neighborhood still hemorrhages good families when middle school and high school near.


Which neighborhood?


Palisades


Palisades has never had a significant # of kids going to Hardy & then Wilson. Key is the last adopter of the Hardy schools currently - all of the other schools in the pattern have had a huge uptick - but remember this is a school where parents were petitioning to keep a principal who swept and ineptly dealt with a major racist incident this year. So it's not really part of this equation. Overall the Wilson feeder network is WAY overcrowded - hence all the overcrowding Ward 3 network committees. There's trailers at Deal, Hardy is expanding to accommodate students and Wilson keeps growing and having fewer and fewer spaces for OOB kids. DCUM is often in fantasy land...


Wait, was there really s petition? I didn't see it. I keep checking the new principals thread, a bit in disbelief that the Key principal isn't out.


Yes, there was literally a big petition from parents who supported keeping him. MOST of those parents who did support him are the ones who are on track to peel off for privates and/or already have for this coming year... it is pretty unbelievable he was allowed to stay.


Link? I'm a Key parent and I never saw it. How was it circulated?


+1. Also Key family, saw and heard nothing of this. There were many "listening sessions" at the school on this topic, where surely this would have been mentioned.



It was extensively emailed around - I must have received via email from more than a dozen different people -- more than 100 parents signed it & a set of very influential parents (wealthy, big donors) hand delivered it in a meeting with the Mayor in March - text below...


As you all are aware, there was an incident at Key Elementary School in the Fall of 2018 wherein a white 5th grader bullied three black students with a racial slur. The response from Key leadership and staff was not swift or strong enough for the injured families and others in the Key community. However, we are confident the Key response was not discriminatory in nature. Principal Landeryou and his team have educated thousands of children for decades with care and concern for every child without consideration of race, religion, gender, or income.
Principal Landeryou and his team have apologized. They are also committed to improving their protocols and transparency - they can and should meet a minimal expectation that every child is safe and treated with respect on the Key campus. But we urge DCPS to provide more leadership, resources, training, and guidance.
DCPS must update its 2013 anti-bullying policies and procedures to reflect modern times, and set a schedule for review/updates no more than every 3 years in order to maintain its relevance. In particular, please address the following:
What is your training strategy for diversity and inclusion? Is it required for all DCPS personnel? How frequently does continuing education occur on this topic? How is it funded?
Do any forms of bullying require a special or different response than other offenses in this category? If so, please specify.
Specify timelines for response - for offenders and their families, for offended children and their families. Provide clear instruction as to whether the response is to be handled at the school or DCPS level.
Identify and enumerate if different responses are warranted at ES, MS, and HS campuses.
Spell out enforcement strategies. Who in DCPS insures that individual schools follow policies and procedures? What happens when they don’t? Is there a probationary period, and if so, what does that look like?
Are Diversity Officers or other resources able to be dispatched to a school, when needed? Do any schools have that position filled in a permanent or part-time fashion?
What are the strict privacy rules for minors that must be adhered to by administrators and teachers? What is the balance between the right for privacy vs. the right-to-know for wider school community?
Principal Landeryou and his team embody the hallmarks of Key Elementary School - care, curiosity, inclusivity, respect, and trust - and we strongly object to any personnel changes in response to this incident. It is imperative that DCPS amend and clarify its policies so that every adult and child in the system feels safe and is being provided with the appropriate guidance and role models.


Point being for this forum - Key has never had more than 20 kids attend Hardy from a class cohort, and possibly never will...
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I’ll let the early adapters turn around hardy and reassess. Problem is two fold though, I doubt the legacy kids using it as access to Wilson will go quietly which will further keep the majority of upper SES parents from utilizing it. Meaning the sooners won’t get the critical-mass of Ward 3 parents they hope for to dry up the OOB slots. Even if they started to tip the scales the impact to Wilson’s black population would be dramatic and I suspect the DC gov would quickly step in for optics.
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Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Lets wait until there are no W3 kids in trailers and the schools have excess capacity before going on a building boom.


Why wait? None of the residents will be coming for the schools, given that the pyramid is now crap, because of Wilson. QED.


You sound quite gleeful. Greater Washington, perhaps?


Just trying to get clarity.

Is the Deal zone still desirable for families with kids, or not?


98% of parents in DC would tell you that the entire Wilson feeder pattern is desirable for families with kids.

I think a tiny minority on DCUM are saying they will avoid Wilson when the time comes. Who knows what they will actually do.


That, or someone who works for the developer lobby is trying to create the impression that some people will avoid Wilson. I think the odds are close to zero that any parent who is talking about avoiding Wilson today would have considered sending their kids there the in the years before "Honors for All" was being implemented.

According to my kid, there has been a really significant change in the environment of the school due to:

1. Under-the-radar efforts to get rid of kids with serious discipline issues (not sure how, but my kid knows of many kids with a history of fights or drug sales who were at Wilson and were suddenly gone after the rash of overdoses in, I think, 2017).

2. The changing demographic makeup of the student body with more in boundary kids, a change that my kid laments but many parents who are afraid of a diverse school probably welcome.



Yes indeed. #2 is a huge factor. We’ve had at least one kid at Wilson for six years, and the demographics have changed dramatically in that time.


Just the fact that white kids are the majority population blows my mind.


Not the majority, but they are the plurality.



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Anonymous wrote:I’ll let the early adapters turn around hardy and reassess. Problem is two fold though, I doubt the legacy kids using it as access to Wilson will go quietly which will further keep the majority of upper SES parents from utilizing it. Meaning the sooners won’t get the critical-mass of Ward 3 parents they hope for to dry up the OOB slots. Even if they started to tip the scales the impact to Wilson’s black population would be dramatic and I suspect the DC gov would quickly step in for optics.


LOL. The early adapters were at Hardy six or seven years ago - after they fired Principal Pope. I know this because my child was one of about a half-dozen IB students who were there at the time.

To bring this thread full circle, Hardy has flipped at this point - it has reached critical mass of kids from feeder schools such that more and feeder school families are comfortable sending their kids there. It has reached the tipping point in the cycle.
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Hardy does not need a critical mass from Key or Mann to have flipped. They have Stoddert as their base followed by Eaton. The grades feeding from Eaton are a make up of IB and B students. The OOB families who have gotten their kids to Eaton for years did it with the end goal of a path to Wilson. They are going to continue getting their children to Hardy.

All you need is a handful of students from Hyde, Mann and Key and you have filled up the school with feeder students.
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Anonymous wrote:I’ll let the early adapters turn around hardy and reassess. Problem is two fold though, I doubt the legacy kids using it as access to Wilson will go quietly which will further keep the majority of upper SES parents from utilizing it. Meaning the sooners won’t get the critical-mass of Ward 3 parents they hope for to dry up the OOB slots. Even if they started to tip the scales the impact to Wilson’s black population would be dramatic and I suspect the DC gov would quickly step in for optics.


LOL. The early adapters were at Hardy six or seven years ago - after they fired Principal Pope. I know this because my child was one of about a half-dozen IB students who were there at the time.

To bring this thread full circle, Hardy has flipped at this point - it has reached critical mass of kids from feeder schools such that more and feeder school families are comfortable sending their kids there. It has reached the tipping point in the cycle.


This. The first comment above is so out of date. The classes are now 50%+ Eaton, 30%ish Stoddert, mix of Mann & Hyde, a little less Key = 90% of the 7th and 8th grade classes. You're basically now sending your kid to a middle school extension of Eaton/Stoddert...
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Anonymous wrote:Hardy does not need a critical mass from Key or Mann to have flipped. They have Stoddert as their base followed by Eaton. The grades feeding from Eaton are a make up of IB and B students. The OOB families who have gotten their kids to Eaton for years did it with the end goal of a path to Wilson. They are going to continue getting their children to Hardy.

All you need is a handful of students from Hyde, Mann and Key and you have filled up the school with feeder students.


I think the PP point above was when many families in the Palisades (or elsewhere) are not on board with Wilson, it's because they never were and probably never will be going to Hardy & Wilson ...not that they are bailing out of Wilson b/c of 'honors for all' or other reasons, which was the claim. Wilson is still overcrowded and by all overall trends the IB population going to Wilson is growing and growing.
Anonymous
Glad we are back to the initial Hardy question. But as an earlier poster showed (with some reasonable) statistics, Hardy is a very different school from 3-4 years ago.

*PTA Power* - The PTA raised 30K in 2016-2017. Today they are pulling in 75K+. This is an indirect measure of the student body/IB - but quite revealing.

*Demographics* With the Eaton addition, there is a big bump up of the IB/feeder students. Eaton + Stoddert will be the backbone of the school. This is important as Eaton + Stoddert have many upper middle class families (income between 100-250k) that will have a hard time affording privates, but like living in the city. (This is a problem with Key families, its not clear why they live in the city - very few city amenities - having lost their only grocery store - and extremely high incomes - the only amenity they use is Key). Stoddert alone wasn't enough to flip the school; Easton changed the game.

*Growth Trends* The school is growing again. This upcoming year, the school is likely gaining 70 students (with 700K more in funding). This is in-spite of at-risk funding falling from 177K to 30K.

*Extracurriculars* There are more sports and after school activities than before. While they aren't deal yet - they have theater and highly successful athletic teams (almost every team placed 2nd to deal in the playoffs last year)

*Demographics* The school is getting whiter - it is starting to look like the neighborhood. (This is a fact, not a judgement)

*Wild Card* They opened up a Trader Joe's a block away. Gentrification isn't done.
Anonymous
Seems like lots of the Hardy perceptions are out of date here. Most of the 6th and 7th are feeders, with lots of IB students. Not sure why people think that Hardy hasn’t flipped. Maybe since it takes 3 years for the statistics to propagate through?
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Anonymous wrote:Seems like lots of the Hardy perceptions are out of date here. Most of the 6th and 7th are feeders, with lots of IB students. Not sure why people think that Hardy hasn’t flipped. Maybe since it takes 3 years for the statistics to propagate through?


Or maybe the people differ on what they consider flipped. It certainly doesn’t look like a school on the edge of Georgetown. I think people are trying to will people’s perceptions of DC schools because they spent so much to move where they did private isn’t really an option. For those of us that aren’t house poor, our judgement is less clouded and it isn’t really a viable option.
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