Tired of teacher friends complaining

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Imagine you had to run a meeting 6-7 hours a day. You had to lead the meeting--agenda, content, presentations, discussions, work output, materials, everything. During that meeting, you can't check email or make a phone call. And in between the 6-7 hour meeting, you have smaller 20-1 hour meetings.

Imagine 25 of the 30 participants do not want to be there and don't have the ability to pay attention or follow directions. And you have to keep them on track.

Imagine you had to give immediate feedback/evaluations from today's meeting to every participant.

Imagine after running that meeting, you have to plan and prepare for tomorrow's 6-7 hour meeting.

Imagine if your participants fail to perform or have substandard work product, you are blamed.

Imagine never having an off day. Never spending a day just dealing with the little things.

Imagine it keeps going, day after day. It's exhausting to have to plan and manage every minute of every day for 30-150 participants.

I used to be a teacher. I miss it every day. But I'd never go back. The daily grind with no support staff to handle things was just too much. If I got a secretary, Id totally go back.

Until you've done it, you just don't understand.

"Until you've done it, you just don't understand..." - this is true of any job pretty much; for example the poster whonsaid teaching is one of the only jobs you get to leave at the office in the evenings - they clearly don't get it in regards to MANY (maybe most!) jobs.

I'm in a client facing job and many days have to be "on" all day - meetings, presentations, etc. The none meeting days are lots of calls and office stuff + client dinners after hours - it's fine, I like my job most days and I think it's got positives and negatives. I don't complain, I picked this career, if I feel like it's a sacrifice and think I'm underpaid I would change what I'm doing.

I think that what is frustrating about constant teacher complaining is the need to "one up" every other negative factor anyone else may experience at work-related ok, I'm sure you have bad days and don't like xyz- welcome to life, most people have parts of work they don't like...

Yes, but there is something different from a person who works with other adults mostly compared to working with children. Teachers are in a weird way shamed if they are not always giving and a martyr for the children in their class. Parents, admin all blame the teacher because at the end of the day it all falls on you even though it shouldn't.

You just proved the PP's point. She observed that teachers are always trying to one up anyone else's complaints...and you had to chime in and complain about how your job is just so much worse.

As a parent, I don't expect any teachers or other parents to be martyrs for their children. Teachers dramatically over-generalize their problems.

Why can’t you just accept it as fact? If teachers are so overly dramatic about their jobs and they can’t possibly be telling the truth, why don’t you get in on that cushy action? I’m not a teacher and could never be a teacher. I’ve spent enough time in schools as an adult to know that. It’s much worse today than even 10 years ago. Teachers have to be vocal about what they experience because the general public thinks of them as overpaid babysitters. Why is so difficult to understand that the job may actually be that difficult and that all of the teachers on here aren’t just being dramatic?

oh my lord. Enough with the hyperbole. I never said teachers had cushy jobs. You know there's a lot of nuance between the extremes, so enough with the over-generalizing.

Teachers should be vocal, but their talking points are not productive. As I've said before, it's really hard to empathize and support professionals who simply seem to be making an argument that their jobs are the worse and no one can possibly understand.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:PP, what do you mean as very nice???
After paying for insurance premiums and taxes you will barely have $2000 per month which had been cut from
Your paychecks.

I'm in another state. My final salary will be about 120K. (high school teacher with two masters degree and I've stayed in one high paying district my whole life) Because I will be 60 years old with 34 years in the system at the point, in my state, I'll get 75% of that final salary and access to reduced cost health insurance the rest of my life. My friends who only have 20 years in will only be getting about 2K a month. It pays to put in the full amount of years.

I've also maxed out my IRA's since I was 22 and have a teacher spouse, comparably paid, who has done the same.

You may have plenty to complain about but being underpaid isn’t one of them.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:PP, what do you mean as very nice???
After paying for insurance premiums and taxes you will barely have $2000 per month which had been cut from
Your paychecks.

I'm in another state. My final salary will be about 120K. (high school teacher with two masters degree and I've stayed in one high paying district my whole life) Because I will be 60 years old with 34 years in the system at the point, in my state, I'll get 75% of that final salary and access to reduced cost health insurance the rest of my life. My friends who only have 20 years in will only be getting about 2K a month. It pays to put in the full amount of years.

I've also maxed out my IRA's since I was 22 and have a teacher spouse, comparably paid, who has done the same.

You may have plenty to complain about but being underpaid isn’t one of them.

I wrote the above which you responded to. I absolutely agree that I personally am not underpaid. I'm thrilled with my salary, benefits and overall compensation. Of course, I am an outlier in terms of pay. I was able to secure a position at the very high paying school in part due to luck and in part due to the fact that I attended a prestigious undergrad and grad school and specialized in an extremely high need teaching area (bilingual special education). I was lucky to be born into a fully bilingual family and then lucky to go to school (both undergrad and grad programs) for free due to being Mexican American, coming from a poor family and being very high achieving. Most teachers aren't nearly well paid. But I am and I'm also really good at saving money.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:PP, what do you mean as very nice???
After paying for insurance premiums and taxes you will barely have $2000 per month which had been cut from
Your paychecks.

I'm in another state. My final salary will be about 120K. (high school teacher with two masters degree and I've stayed in one high paying district my whole life) Because I will be 60 years old with 34 years in the system at the point, in my state, I'll get 75% of that final salary and access to reduced cost health insurance the rest of my life. My friends who only have 20 years in will only be getting about 2K a month. It pays to put in the full amount of years.

I've also maxed out my IRA's since I was 22 and have a teacher spouse, comparably paid, who has done the same.

You may have plenty to complain about but being underpaid isn’t one of them.

I wrote the above which you responded to. I absolutely agree that I personally am not underpaid. I'm thrilled with my salary, benefits and overall compensation. Of course, I am an outlier in terms of pay. I was able to secure a position at the very high paying school in part due to luck and in part due to the fact that I attended a prestigious undergrad and grad school and specialized in an extremely high need teaching area (bilingual special education). I was lucky to be born into a fully bilingual family and then lucky to go to school (both undergrad and grad programs) for free due to being Mexican American, coming from a poor family and being very high achieving. Most teachers aren't nearly well paid. But I am and I'm also really good at saving money.

It sounds like you bring intellect and empathy to your classroom. Your students are lucky!

[Anonymous]

I think teachers get a bad rap because there is a low bar to becoming a teacher. The excellent teachers are few and far between. Many young college graduates go into teaching because they don’t know what else to do or can’t get another job. They don’t go into it because they love teaching. Then they complain constantly because they really don’t want to work that hard. Lots of weird folk in the teaching profession.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Imagine you had to run a meeting 6-7 hours a day. You had to lead the meeting--agenda, content, presentations, discussions, work output, materials, everything. During that meeting, you can't check email or make a phone call. And in between the 6-7 hour meeting, you have smaller 20-1 hour meetings.

Imagine 25 of the 30 participants do not want to be there and don't have the ability to pay attention or follow directions. And you have to keep them on track.

Imagine you had to give immediate feedback/evaluations from today's meeting to every participant.

Imagine after running that meeting, you have to plan and prepare for tomorrow's 6-7 hour meeting.

Imagine if your participants fail to perform or have substandard work product, you are blamed.

Imagine never having an off day. Never spending a day just dealing with the little things.

Imagine it keeps going, day after day. It's exhausting to have to plan and manage every minute of every day for 30-150 participants.

I used to be a teacher. I miss it every day. But I'd never go back. The daily grind with no support staff to handle things was just too much. If I got a secretary, Id totally go back.

Until you've done it, you just don't understand.

"Until you've done it, you just don't understand..." - this is true of any job pretty much; for example the poster whonsaid teaching is one of the only jobs you get to leave at the office in the evenings - they clearly don't get it in regards to MANY (maybe most!) jobs.

I'm in a client facing job and many days have to be "on" all day - meetings, presentations, etc. The none meeting days are lots of calls and office stuff + client dinners after hours - it's fine, I like my job most days and I think it's got positives and negatives. I don't complain, I picked this career, if I feel like it's a sacrifice and think I'm underpaid I would change what I'm doing.

I think that what is frustrating about constant teacher complaining is the need to "one up" every other negative factor anyone else may experience at work-related ok, I'm sure you have bad days and don't like xyz- welcome to life, most people have parts of work they don't like...

Yes, but there is something different from a person who works with other adults mostly compared to working with children. Teachers are in a weird way shamed if they are not always giving and a martyr for the children in their class. Parents, admin all blame the teacher because at the end of the day it all falls on you even though it shouldn't.

You just proved the PP's point. She observed that teachers are always trying to one up anyone else's complaints...and you had to chime in and complain about how your job is just so much worse.

As a parent, I don't expect any teachers or other parents to be martyrs for their children. Teachers dramatically over-generalize their problems.

Why can’t you just accept it as fact? If teachers are so overly dramatic about their jobs and they can’t possibly be telling the truth, why don’t you get in on that cushy action? I’m not a teacher and could never be a teacher. I’ve spent enough time in schools as an adult to know that. It’s much worse today than even 10 years ago. Teachers have to be vocal about what they experience because the general public thinks of them as overpaid babysitters. Why is so difficult to understand that the job may actually be that difficult and that all of the teachers on here aren’t just being dramatic?

oh my lord. Enough with the hyperbole. I never said teachers had cushy jobs. You know there's a lot of nuance between the extremes, so enough with the over-generalizing.

Teachers should be vocal, but their talking points are not productive. As I've said before, it's really hard to empathize and support professionals who simply seem to be making an argument that their jobs are the worse and no one can possibly understand.

I don’t think you understand the definition of hyperbole, or you think using it will discredit what teachers on here are saying because you simply don’t want for it to actually be true. You keep insisting people are on are using hyperbole and extremes to describe their jobs. They’re not. Why is so difficult to get that through to you? You are insistent that people on here aren’t telling the truth or are using hyperbole to describe their experiences. But you take the one positive experience a teacher has described as gospel and a reason to discredit all the others’ experiences. You need to learn to listen instead of rushing to judgment. That skill will really help you as a parent , and really just as a person. I’m not a teacher but have spent enough time in schools (as an adult, not just a student) to see what teachers are dealing with these days and I wouldn’t wish it on anyone.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I think teachers get a bad rap because there is a low bar to becoming a teacher. The excellent teachers are few and far between. Many young college graduates go into teaching because they don’t know what else to do or can’t get another job. They don’t go into it because they love teaching. Then they complain constantly because they really don’t want to work that hard. Lots of weird folk in the teaching profession.

I work in a Title 1 that has quite a few new teachers. They are usually our interns the previous year so they know what they are signing up for. This helps a lot with retention. I think teacher prep programs need to start early on in college and let students have multiple opportunities to spend time in various classrooms prior to committing to student teaching. If their first exposure to a real classroom isn’t until their junior year, it is very late for them to change their mind about teaching. They also need to let them have a variety of experiences because they never know where they may get a job. They need to spend time in a Title 1 school sometime during their student teaching experiences. I spent my entire year student teaching in one grade. One classroom. I got out of it that I didn’t want to teach that grade. The teachers in my school are fantastic. The duds don’t last long because they don’t want to do that much work. We might get a dud once every few years and then they leave.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Here’s what so many ppl really don’t get when they scream, “well you get summers off and snow days!”....

Kids and their parents are exhausting/boardline suck (go check out the school forums). Admin sucks. Most teachers don’t realize how hard it will bc no one mentions that parents will email you constantly and in MCPS you have to respond within 4 days. No one mentions that basically every kid has an iep and that has to be taken into consideration with everything. No one mentions the testing and how if your kids don’t do well it reflects directly on you, no matter the home environment of the child, their parents, their previous education level, or their ability to learn and take take test. No one mentions all the meetings and evaluations. No one mentions the horrible behavior issues and the parents who make excuses for their children.

Teaching pay sucks and sucks more when you take into account how many after school events they are required to attend (without overtime).

I hear you PP. My mother was a teacher and she loved the teaching part. What was hard was how crappy the PARENTS were and how she got no support from them when their child was a nightmare.

The erosion of support and respect for teachers in this country has far-reaching consequences for the teachers and for education.

And the complete lack of understanding of the time and energy teachers put in and the crap they deal with from people like the OP is just frustrating.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Imagine you had to run a meeting 6-7 hours a day. You had to lead the meeting--agenda, content, presentations, discussions, work output, materials, everything. During that meeting, you can't check email or make a phone call. And in between the 6-7 hour meeting, you have smaller 20-1 hour meetings.

Imagine 25 of the 30 participants do not want to be there and don't have the ability to pay attention or follow directions. And you have to keep them on track.

Imagine you had to give immediate feedback/evaluations from today's meeting to every participant.

Imagine after running that meeting, you have to plan and prepare for tomorrow's 6-7 hour meeting.

Imagine if your participants fail to perform or have substandard work product, you are blamed.

Imagine never having an off day. Never spending a day just dealing with the little things.

Imagine it keeps going, day after day. It's exhausting to have to plan and manage every minute of every day for 30-150 participants.

I used to be a teacher. I miss it every day. But I'd never go back. The daily grind with no support staff to handle things was just too much. If I got a secretary, Id totally go back.

Until you've done it, you just don't understand.

"Until you've done it, you just don't understand..." - this is true of any job pretty much; for example the poster whonsaid teaching is one of the only jobs you get to leave at the office in the evenings - they clearly don't get it in regards to MANY (maybe most!) jobs.

I'm in a client facing job and many days have to be "on" all day - meetings, presentations, etc. The none meeting days are lots of calls and office stuff + client dinners after hours - it's fine, I like my job most days and I think it's got positives and negatives. I don't complain, I picked this career, if I feel like it's a sacrifice and think I'm underpaid I would change what I'm doing.

I think that what is frustrating about constant teacher complaining is the need to "one up" every other negative factor anyone else may experience at work-related ok, I'm sure you have bad days and don't like xyz- welcome to life, most people have parts of work they don't like...

Yes, but there is something different from a person who works with other adults mostly compared to working with children. Teachers are in a weird way shamed if they are not always giving and a martyr for the children in their class. Parents, admin all blame the teacher because at the end of the day it all falls on you even though it shouldn't.

You just proved the PP's point. She observed that teachers are always trying to one up anyone else's complaints...and you had to chime in and complain about how your job is just so much worse.

As a parent, I don't expect any teachers or other parents to be martyrs for their children. Teachers dramatically over-generalize their problems.

Why can’t you just accept it as fact? If teachers are so overly dramatic about their jobs and they can’t possibly be telling the truth, why don’t you get in on that cushy action? I’m not a teacher and could never be a teacher. I’ve spent enough time in schools as an adult to know that. It’s much worse today than even 10 years ago. Teachers have to be vocal about what they experience because the general public thinks of them as overpaid babysitters. Why is so difficult to understand that the job may actually be that difficult and that all of the teachers on here aren’t just being dramatic?

oh my lord. Enough with the hyperbole. I never said teachers had cushy jobs. You know there's a lot of nuance between the extremes, so enough with the over-generalizing.

Teachers should be vocal, but their talking points are not productive. As I've said before, it's really hard to empathize and support professionals who simply seem to be making an argument that their jobs are the worse and no one can possibly understand.

DP. Have you ever been a teacher? No? You really don't get it. You don't get that the way teachers are treated by people like you compounds the problem. Their job is tougher than most...yes it is...and then on top of that, the pay is not as good as it should be for the amount of work and stress and then they have to deal with the lack of respect for what they do.

Really, please, get a clue.

-child of a teacher

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Imagine you had to run a meeting 6-7 hours a day. You had to lead the meeting--agenda, content, presentations, discussions, work output, materials, everything. During that meeting, you can't check email or make a phone call. And in between the 6-7 hour meeting, you have smaller 20-1 hour meetings.

Imagine 25 of the 30 participants do not want to be there and don't have the ability to pay attention or follow directions. And you have to keep them on track.

Imagine you had to give immediate feedback/evaluations from today's meeting to every participant.

Imagine after running that meeting, you have to plan and prepare for tomorrow's 6-7 hour meeting.

Imagine if your participants fail to perform or have substandard work product, you are blamed.

Imagine never having an off day. Never spending a day just dealing with the little things.

Imagine it keeps going, day after day. It's exhausting to have to plan and manage every minute of every day for 30-150 participants.

I used to be a teacher. I miss it every day. But I'd never go back. The daily grind with no support staff to handle things was just too much. If I got a secretary, Id totally go back.

Until you've done it, you just don't understand.

"Until you've done it, you just don't understand..." - this is true of any job pretty much; for example the poster whonsaid teaching is one of the only jobs you get to leave at the office in the evenings - they clearly don't get it in regards to MANY (maybe most!) jobs.

I'm in a client facing job and many days have to be "on" all day - meetings, presentations, etc. The none meeting days are lots of calls and office stuff + client dinners after hours - it's fine, I like my job most days and I think it's got positives and negatives. I don't complain, I picked this career, if I feel like it's a sacrifice and think I'm underpaid I would change what I'm doing.

I think that what is frustrating about constant teacher complaining is the need to "one up" every other negative factor anyone else may experience at work-related ok, I'm sure you have bad days and don't like xyz- welcome to life, most people have parts of work they don't like...

Yes, but there is something different from a person who works with other adults mostly compared to working with children. Teachers are in a weird way shamed if they are not always giving and a martyr for the children in their class. Parents, admin all blame the teacher because at the end of the day it all falls on you even though it shouldn't.

You just proved the PP's point. She observed that teachers are always trying to one up anyone else's complaints...and you had to chime in and complain about how your job is just so much worse.

As a parent, I don't expect any teachers or other parents to be martyrs for their children. Teachers dramatically over-generalize their problems.

Why can’t you just accept it as fact? If teachers are so overly dramatic about their jobs and they can’t possibly be telling the truth, why don’t you get in on that cushy action? I’m not a teacher and could never be a teacher. I’ve spent enough time in schools as an adult to know that. It’s much worse today than even 10 years ago. Teachers have to be vocal about what they experience because the general public thinks of them as overpaid babysitters. Why is so difficult to understand that the job may actually be that difficult and that all of the teachers on here aren’t just being dramatic?

oh my lord. Enough with the hyperbole. I never said teachers had cushy jobs. You know there's a lot of nuance between the extremes, so enough with the over-generalizing.

Teachers should be vocal, but their talking points are not productive. As I've said before, it's really hard to empathize and support professionals who simply seem to be making an argument that their jobs are the worse and no one can possibly understand.

DP. Have you ever been a teacher? No? You really don't get it. You don't get that the way teachers are treated by people like you compounds the problem. Their job is tougher than most...yes it is...and then on top of that, the pay is not as good as it should be for the amount of work and stress and then they have to deal with the lack of respect for what they do.

Really, please, get a clue.

-child of a teacher

This is where you lose me.

I work in a psychiatric hospital. I’m doubting teachers jobs are tougher than mine or any of my co-workers. Yet we don’t go around complaining ad nauseum about how tough our jobs are. Tons of people have tough jobs. Get over it.

[Anonymous]

lol teachers dont "teach" anymore they indoctrinate to produce good little drone trolls to obey the party line. grand style of 1984 developing rapidly and most are totally blind .
very few "graduates" are capable of independent thought so when i hear teachers complain i relegate the complaints where they belong.
Teaching used to be an honored profession and now, teachers are just drones themselves.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I think teachers get a bad rap because there is a low bar to becoming a teacher. The excellent teachers are few and far between. Many young college graduates go into teaching because they don’t know what else to do or can’t get another job. They don’t go into it because they love teaching. Then they complain constantly because they really don’t want to work that hard. Lots of weird folk in the teaching profession.

Interesting. I have found that the teachers that love the profession the most are the ones who complain the most. Those who don't care, just check out. Every single teacher I know (with one exception) went into teaching because they love kids and love teaching. Every single one of them works their ass off. I've also experienced that excellent teachers are the norm not the exception. At least at my school.

Regardless, this thread is boring and redundant. UBers don't respect teachers, yet they choose to send their offspring to spend 6-8 hours each day with them. Weird. I would never ever send my own children to be cared for and taught by someone I didn't respect. Lots of weird parents out there I guess.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I think teachers get a bad rap because there is a low bar to becoming a teacher. The excellent teachers are few and far between. Many young college graduates go into teaching because they don’t know what else to do or can’t get another job. They don’t go into it because they love teaching. Then they complain constantly because they really don’t want to work that hard. Lots of weird folk in the teaching profession.

Interesting. I have found that the teachers that love the profession the most are the ones who complain the most. Those who don't care, just check out. Every single teacher I know (with one exception) went into teaching because they love kids and love teaching. Every single one of them works their ass off. I've also experienced that excellent teachers are the norm not the exception. At least at my school.

Regardless, this thread is boring and redundant. UBers don't respect teachers, yet they choose to send their offspring to spend 6-8 hours each day with them. Weird. I would never ever send my own children to be cared for and taught by someone I didn't respect. Lots of weird parents out there I guess.

Right. Weird the state requires an education until a certain age and parents adhere to it so they don’t get arrested and/or lose their children. Lots of weird laws people don’t agree with, but alas adherence to societal norms and constructs is “weird.”

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I think teachers get a bad rap because there is a low bar to becoming a teacher. The excellent teachers are few and far between. Many young college graduates go into teaching because they don’t know what else to do or can’t get another job. They don’t go into it because they love teaching. Then they complain constantly because they really don’t want to work that hard. Lots of weird folk in the teaching profession.

Interesting. I have found that the teachers that love the profession the most are the ones who complain the most. Those who don't care, just check out. Every single teacher I know (with one exception) went into teaching because they love kids and love teaching. Every single one of them works their ass off. I've also experienced that excellent teachers are the norm not the exception. At least at my school.

Regardless, this thread is boring and redundant. UBers don't respect teachers, yet they choose to send their offspring to spend 6-8 hours each day with them. Weird. I would never ever send my own children to be cared for and taught by someone I didn't respect. Lots of weird parents out there I guess.

What is an UBer?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Imagine you had to run a meeting 6-7 hours a day. You had to lead the meeting--agenda, content, presentations, discussions, work output, materials, everything. During that meeting, you can't check email or make a phone call. And in between the 6-7 hour meeting, you have smaller 20-1 hour meetings.

Imagine 25 of the 30 participants do not want to be there and don't have the ability to pay attention or follow directions. And you have to keep them on track.

Imagine you had to give immediate feedback/evaluations from today's meeting to every participant.

Imagine after running that meeting, you have to plan and prepare for tomorrow's 6-7 hour meeting.

Imagine if your participants fail to perform or have substandard work product, you are blamed.

Imagine never having an off day. Never spending a day just dealing with the little things.

Imagine it keeps going, day after day. It's exhausting to have to plan and manage every minute of every day for 30-150 participants.

I used to be a teacher. I miss it every day. But I'd never go back. The daily grind with no support staff to handle things was just too much. If I got a secretary, Id totally go back.

Until you've done it, you just don't understand.

"Until you've done it, you just don't understand..." - this is true of any job pretty much; for example the poster whonsaid teaching is one of the only jobs you get to leave at the office in the evenings - they clearly don't get it in regards to MANY (maybe most!) jobs.

I'm in a client facing job and many days have to be "on" all day - meetings, presentations, etc. The none meeting days are lots of calls and office stuff + client dinners after hours - it's fine, I like my job most days and I think it's got positives and negatives. I don't complain, I picked this career, if I feel like it's a sacrifice and think I'm underpaid I would change what I'm doing.

I think that what is frustrating about constant teacher complaining is the need to "one up" every other negative factor anyone else may experience at work-related ok, I'm sure you have bad days and don't like xyz- welcome to life, most people have parts of work they don't like...

Yes, but there is something different from a person who works with other adults mostly compared to working with children. Teachers are in a weird way shamed if they are not always giving and a martyr for the children in their class. Parents, admin all blame the teacher because at the end of the day it all falls on you even though it shouldn't.

You just proved the PP's point. She observed that teachers are always trying to one up anyone else's complaints...and you had to chime in and complain about how your job is just so much worse.

As a parent, I don't expect any teachers or other parents to be martyrs for their children. Teachers dramatically over-generalize their problems.

Why can’t you just accept it as fact? If teachers are so overly dramatic about their jobs and they can’t possibly be telling the truth, why don’t you get in on that cushy action? I’m not a teacher and could never be a teacher. I’ve spent enough time in schools as an adult to know that. It’s much worse today than even 10 years ago. Teachers have to be vocal about what they experience because the general public thinks of them as overpaid babysitters. Why is so difficult to understand that the job may actually be that difficult and that all of the teachers on here aren’t just being dramatic?

oh my lord. Enough with the hyperbole. I never said teachers had cushy jobs. You know there's a lot of nuance between the extremes, so enough with the over-generalizing.

Teachers should be vocal, but their talking points are not productive. As I've said before, it's really hard to empathize and support professionals who simply seem to be making an argument that their jobs are the worse and no one can possibly understand.

DP. Have you ever been a teacher? No? You really don't get it. You don't get that the way teachers are treated by people like you compounds the problem. Their job is tougher than most...yes it is...and then on top of that, the pay is not as good as it should be for the amount of work and stress and then they have to deal with the lack of respect for what they do.

Really, please, get a clue.

-child of a teacher

Really, please, get over yourself.