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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]Imagine you had to run a meeting 6-7 hours a day. You had to lead the meeting--agenda, content, presentations, discussions, work output, materials, everything. During that meeting, you can't check email or make a phone call. And in between the 6-7 hour meeting, you have smaller 20-1 hour meetings.

Imagine 25 of the 30 participants do not want to be there and don't have the ability to pay attention or follow directions. And you have to keep them on track.

Imagine you had to give immediate feedback/evaluations from today's meeting to every participant.

Imagine after running that meeting, you have to plan and prepare for tomorrow's 6-7 hour meeting.

Imagine if your participants fail to perform or have substandard work product, you are blamed.

Imagine never having an off day. Never spending a day just dealing with the little things.

Imagine it keeps going, day after day. It's exhausting to have to plan and manage every minute of every day for 30-150 participants.

I used to be a teacher. I miss it every day. But I'd never go back. The daily grind with no support staff to handle things was just too much. If I got a secretary, Id totally go back.

Until you've done it, you just don't understand. [/quote]
"Until you've done it, you just don't understand..." - this is true of any job pretty much; for example the poster whonsaid teaching is one of the only jobs you get to leave at the office in the evenings - they clearly don't get it in regards to MANY (maybe most!) jobs.

I'm in a client facing job and many days have to be "on" all day - meetings, presentations, etc. The none meeting days are lots of calls and office stuff + client dinners after hours - it's fine, I like my job most days and I think it's got positives and negatives. I don't complain, I picked this career, if I feel like it's a sacrifice and think I'm underpaid I would change what I'm doing.

I think that what is frustrating about constant teacher complaining is the need to "one up" every other negative factor anyone else may experience at work-related ok, I'm sure you have bad days and don't like xyz- welcome to life, most people have parts of work they don't like... [/quote]

Yes, but there is something different from a person who works with other adults mostly compared to working with children.  Teachers are in a weird way shamed if they are not always giving and a martyr for the children in their class. Parents, admin all blame the teacher because at the end of the day it all falls on you even though it shouldn't. [/quote]

You just proved the PP's point. She observed that teachers are always trying to one up anyone else's complaints...and you had to chime in and complain about how your job is just so much worse.

As a parent, I don't expect any teachers or other parents to be martyrs for their children. Teachers dramatically over-generalize their problems. [/quote]

Why can’t you just accept it as fact? If teachers are so overly dramatic about their jobs and they can’t possibly be telling the truth, why don’t you get in on that cushy action? I’m not a teacher and could never be a teacher. I’ve spent enough time in schools as an adult to know that. It’s much worse today than even 10 years ago. Teachers have to be vocal about what they experience because the general public thinks of them as overpaid babysitters. Why is so difficult to understand that the job may actually be that difficult and that all of the teachers on here aren’t just being dramatic?[/quote]

oh my lord. Enough with the hyperbole. I never said teachers had cushy jobs. You know there's a lot of nuance between the extremes, so enough with the over-generalizing.

Teachers should be vocal, but their talking points are not productive. As I've said before, it's really hard to empathize and support professionals who simply seem to be making an argument that their jobs are the worse and no one can possibly understand. [/quote]

DP.  Have you ever been a teacher?  No?  You really don't get it.  You don't get that the way teachers are treated by people like you compounds the problem.  Their job is tougher than most...yes it is...and then on top of that, the pay is not as good as it should be for the amount of work and stress and then they have to deal with the lack of respect for what they do.

Really, please, get a clue.

-child of a teacher[/quote]

Really, please, get over yourself. [/quote]

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