Georgetown Prep is taking a beating with this Kanvanugh scandal...does it deserve it?

[Anonymous]

The problem is that these kids live in 1952. Their mother's don't work(compared to 70% of mother's nationwide). They arent seeing girls outperform them in class, which is what happens at every coed school. They don't learn to see women as equals. Add in the one upsmanship, and you get a bunch of swaggerers who objectify women. I know people who teach at all male Catholic high schools. They tell me that their students are complete sexists.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I don't know how it is today, but certainly mid-1990's was NO different than what was alleged. One star athlete had a family home on the eastern shore where the parents wouldn't come while the kid hosted 30-40 kids from the various schools...tons of booze, lots of sex, I'm sure plenty of metoo issues. Several of the boys are very well respected leaders, several of the girls are also fairly senior "names" on the scene.

I highly doubt much has changed. It is worth noting that there seem to have been only a dozen or so kids (football and soccer) involved throughout the 1980-2000 issues, so it's not like the whole school was like this. But everyone even remotely linked to any of the schools knows EXACTLY who these boys were.

Really? So it was just a rape party? You really do not know what you are talking about.

NP. Not sure where the text you're quoting alleges it was a rape party. "Metoo" can refer to general harassment/pressure, without there being rape.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Nothing has changed. The athletes are the ones who engage in the inappropriate behavior 30 years ago and today. The only difference is that the drinking age is higher and it is less prevalent...but it is still happening at some level in not just boys schools, but in ALL schools.

I have a boy at one of these all male schools, not an athlete, and just a good mild mannered and smart kid. There are lots of these types of kids too. I do have to say, however, that he did shadow at GP when applying as a freshman, and he knew immediately it wasn't the place for him because of the culture of entitlement and privilege among the athletes.

He is at Gonzaga now and although you do have that same type of crowd there, the sheer size of the student body waters it down and it becomes less accepted/prevalent. Lots of kids like my DS (smart, nerdy, maybe a bit quirky) and I am grateful he landed there.

Enough with your rude and obnoxious generalizations. My son is not this way.

--Proud Mom of a Prep Athlete

Funny you didn't say none of the athletes are that way. We get it your son is different.

Prep and Gonzaga mom hopeful their kids come out of this education not being like the rest.

[Anonymous]

I was a highly recruited private school athlete from a major program, and all of this rungs very true. Here is my experience from early 1990's private school athlete life in the DC area:

As upper class athletes, we were treated like kings everywhere, all the time. While in school we regularly had house parties at our classmates Potomac/Bethesda mansions or at the Bethany beach houses. There was beer and other liquor at the ready. There were groups of generally freshmen and sophomore girls who would come to party. I didn't personally witness anything I would call date rape, but there was definitely a lot of sex. And I knew which of my teammates would likely be the ones to be accused of taking advantage of drunk girls. Looking back it was an awful environment.

It wasn't really any different in college - on recruiting visits we were plied with beer and girls. What surprises me aren't the random stories that do make it out, but just how pervasive this is everywhere across all sports and all age groups.

[Anonymous]

In case anyone thinks that GP's yearbook ugliness was unusual at the time, here is a piece about Holton's yearbooks from the same era.

It certainly doesn't excuse anything, but it's reflective of a pervasive culture at the time.

http://cultofthe1st.blogspot.com/2018/09/why-christine-blasey-fords-high-school_19.html?m=1

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:The problem is that these kids live in 1952. Their mother's don't work(compared to 70% of mother's nationwide). They arent seeing girls outperform them in class, which is what happens at every coed school. They don't learn to see women as equals. Add in the one upsmanship, and you get a bunch of swaggerers who objectify women. I know people who teach at all male Catholic high schools. They tell me that their students are complete sexists.

This is a bunch of BS. Blaming women for not working is not the issue. Parenting, cultural attitude, school's teachings are far more the issue. This isn't about women as peers.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I laugh when I see the national media refer to Prep as an "elite private school." If they're referring to academics, it's far from elite. Even calling it second-tier is something that you'd only hear from boosters.

Have you heard the term...perception is reality?

Whether the "elite" narrative is deserved or not, interest in the school from prospective applicants is very high.

There will still be 4 applications for every 1 slot.

Sure - but that doesn't make them elite. Elite is when nobody bother to apply without standardized test percentile scores in the 80s-90s. The fact that a lot of mediocre students with money want to opt out of their local public doesn't make you "elite" academically.

The kids I know who have attended Prep are the ones who are debating whether to go there versus Bullis or Good Counsel, not SFS, STA or GDS.

Brains do NOT make you elite. Money makes you elite. If you think differently, you must be an immigrant.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The problem is that these kids live in 1952. Their mother's don't work(compared to 70% of mother's nationwide). They arent seeing girls outperform them in class, which is what happens at every coed school. They don't learn to see women as equals. Add in the one upsmanship, and you get a bunch of swaggerers who objectify women. I know people who teach at all male Catholic high schools. They tell me that their students are complete sexists.

The Prep families I know have two working parents so you can put away your little SAHM voodoo doll.

But it is most definitely about women as peers, as people. It’s about unearned privilege and power. It’s about being told you are the most wonderful person deserving of anything you want to take.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I laugh when I see the national media refer to Prep as an "elite private school." If they're referring to academics, it's far from elite. Even calling it second-tier is something that you'd only hear from boosters.

Have you heard the term...perception is reality?

Whether the "elite" narrative is deserved or not, interest in the school from prospective applicants is very high.

There will still be 4 applications for every 1 slot.

Sure - but that doesn't make them elite. Elite is when nobody bother to apply without standardized test percentile scores in the 80s-90s. The fact that a lot of mediocre students with money want to opt out of their local public doesn't make you "elite" academically.

The kids I know who have attended Prep are the ones who are debating whether to go there versus Bullis or Good Counsel, not SFS, STA or GDS.

Brains do NOT make you elite. Money makes you elite. If you think differently, you must be an immigrant.

Because immigrants don't have money? Really? I can name a few Saudi Prince's and scion's of Asian businessmen who would laugh at that.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:The problem is that these kids live in 1952. Their mother's don't work(compared to 70% of mother's nationwide). They arent seeing girls outperform them in class, which is what happens at every coed school. They don't learn to see women as equals. Add in the one upsmanship, and you get a bunch of swaggerers who objectify women. I know people who teach at all male Catholic high schools. They tell me that their students are complete sexists.

The problem is you don't know what you are talking about. I have a son at an all male HS that is also being mentioned on this thread. Most of these students attended coed schools before HS so it's not like they have never been in a classroom with girls before. He has a part-time job and works with women and girls a few days a week during the school year and all summer long. His boss is a woman. His favorite teacher at the school is a woman. The vast majority of the moms at the school work. I am the primary breadwinner in our house and my DS knows that. He freely admits his younger sister is a better athlete. Stereotypes and prejudices like yours help me to realize even more the value of an all male HS.

[Anonymous]

I think when you have a culture where men tend to systemically exclude women without even being aware they're doing it, putting them in an all-male environment during their teen years will tend to reinforce the latent teaching that they should stick with other men and women should be kept separate. Some men will learn to be better than that despite going to an all-boys school, but none of them will learn to be better than that because they went to an all-boys school.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:The problem is that these kids live in 1952. Their mother's don't work(compared to 70% of mother's nationwide). They arent seeing girls outperform them in class, which is what happens at every coed school. They don't learn to see women as equals. Add in the one upsmanship, and you get a bunch of swaggerers who objectify women. I know people who teach at all male Catholic high schools. They tell me that their students are complete sexists.

The problem is you don't know what you are talking about. I have a son at an all male HS that is also being mentioned on this thread. Most of these students attended coed schools before HS so it's not like they have never been in a classroom with girls before. He has a part-time job and works with women and girls a few days a week during the school year and all summer long. His boss is a woman. His favorite teacher at the school is a woman. The vast majority of the moms at the school work. I am the primary breadwinner in our house and my DS knows that. He freely admits his younger sister is a better athlete. Stereotypes and prejudices like yours help me to realize even more the value of an all male HS.

+1

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:In case anyone thinks that GP's yearbook ugliness was unusual at the time, here is a piece about Holton's yearbooks from the same era.

It certainly doesn't excuse anything, but it's reflective of a pervasive culture at the time.

http://cultofthe1st.blogspot.com/2018/09/why-christine-blasey-fords-high-school_19.html?m=1

So you can use this kind of information against her but when it comes to him it’s just “boys will be boys?”

I am SO SICK of seeing this non sense.

A girl could have sex with a different guy every night, consensually. Then becaus it’s her choice, say NO one night and not have her previous times of consensual sex used against her! A woman doesn’t have sex with one person thinking “welp since I had sex with this guy I guess I can’t say no to anyone else!” It’s infuriating.

If she was truly nearly raped, it doesn’t matter what a damn yearbook says, she still didn’t deserve it!!

[Anonymous]

Anectodal but...I met three people in college that went to Georgetown prep and one of them got kicked out of his fraternity for repeated instances of sexual misconduct.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:The problem is that these kids live in 1952. Their mother's don't work(compared to 70% of mother's nationwide). They arent seeing girls outperform them in class, which is what happens at every coed school. They don't learn to see women as equals. Add in the one upsmanship, and you get a bunch of swaggerers who objectify women. I know people who teach at all male Catholic high schools. They tell me that their students are complete sexists.

The problem is you don't know what you are talking about. I have a son at an all male HS that is also being mentioned on this thread. Most of these students attended coed schools before HS so it's not like they have never been in a classroom with girls before. He has a part-time job and works with women and girls a few days a week during the school year and all summer long. His boss is a woman. His favorite teacher at the school is a woman. The vast majority of the moms at the school work. I am the primary breadwinner in our house and my DS knows that. He freely admits his younger sister is a better athlete. Stereotypes and prejudices like yours help me to realize even more the value of an all male HS.

DP. Your last statement doesn't make sense. How do you think being at an all-male high school helps a kid learn to treat women as equals and not be threatened when women outperform them? That your kid is getting lessons on that outside the school doesn't mean the school itself is helping.