Angry at college sophomore for changing to lower paying major

[Anonymous]

I think the comments here are disheartening. College should be where students discover the options available to them and broaden their horizons. I understand that most see it now as vocational training and so I guess OP and most of you are aligned in your thinking. OP's kid seems like she is searching for where her passion is and is seeing it as being teaching. While I am amazed where the teachers at my DD's high priced private went to school/where their (sometimes multiple) degrees are from - I am also amazed at how happy and well rounded so many are.

Being a parent and choosing to pay for college (which I certainly will do) I believe means giving your child the freedom to continue their education, make choices that they feel reflect their goals. IF you only want to pay for college that seem destined for a job at least own that you are paying for job training so your kids know what your goals and expectations are for the money

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Anonymous wrote:Are we seriously basing career advice for this girl on her level of attractiveness and, implicitly, her supposed value on the marriage market? Disgusting.

NP. Eh it’s unfortunate that this is the way the world works but only fools ignore reality. Attractiveness is a card women can play much more effectively than men. Do you deny that?

This is true. Think of the SAHMs of rich husbands you know in real life. What do they have in common?

Chances are, they are slender and attractive.

That's pretty much ALL of the SAHMs in high SES school districts (Elementary) around here.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I think the comments here are disheartening. College should be where students discover the options available to them and broaden their horizons. I understand that most see it now as vocational training and so I guess OP and most of you are aligned in your thinking. OP's kid seems like she is searching for where her passion is and is seeing it as being teaching. While I am amazed where the teachers at my DD's high priced private went to school/where their (sometimes multiple) degrees are from - I am also amazed at how happy and well rounded so many are.

Being a parent and choosing to pay for college (which I certainly will do) I believe means giving your child the freedom to continue their education, make choices that they feel reflect their goals. IF you only want to pay for college that seem destined for a job at least own that you are paying for job training so your kids know what your goals and expectations are for the money

Your comment makes sense if college was free or very cheap. In fact, if Universal income was in place, and college was free, I'd still be in college at 50. At 70K/year, one year of private school is about a year of retirement expense for the average couple (more elsewhere in the US). Assuming an average family of 2 kids and 8 years of college that's 8 years of retirement for a private school and maybe 4 for in-state public schools.

Are you willing to sacrifice 4 years of your life for your adult children to "broaden their horizons" without a purpose? If so, go ahead.

In the meantime, most colleges are laughing all the way to the bank.. Their student-to-employee ratio is about 2:1 (not student to faculty), their salaries are through the roof (google salaries at your public university), and they all claim to be non-profit while profiting off your fears and childish indoctrinations. In other countries (including your European home world) kids enter college knowing exactly what they want to do, and guess what, they all lead happy, productive lives after college.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I think the comments here are disheartening. College should be where students discover the options available to them and broaden their horizons. I understand that most see it now as vocational training and so I guess OP and most of you are aligned in your thinking. OP's kid seems like she is searching for where her passion is and is seeing it as being teaching. While I am amazed where the teachers at my DD's high priced private went to school/where their (sometimes multiple) degrees are from - I am also amazed at how happy and well rounded so many are.

Being a parent and choosing to pay for college (which I certainly will do) I believe means giving your child the freedom to continue their education, make choices that they feel reflect their goals. IF you only want to pay for college that seem destined for a job at least own that you are paying for job training so your kids know what your goals and expectations are for the money

Your comment makes sense if college was free or very cheap. In fact, if Universal income was in place, and college was free, I'd still be in college at 50. At 70K/year, one year of private school is about a year of retirement expense for the average couple (more elsewhere in the US). Assuming an average family of 2 kids and 8 years of college that's 8 years of retirement for a private school and maybe 4 for in-state public schools.

Are you willing to sacrifice 4 years of your life for your adult children to "broaden their horizons" without a purpose? If so, go ahead.

In the meantime, most colleges are laughing all the way to the bank.. Their student-to-employee ratio is about 2:1 (not student to faculty), their salaries are through the roof (google salaries at your public university), and they all claim to be non-profit while profiting off your fears and childish indoctrinations. In other countries (including your European home world) kids enter college knowing exactly what they want to do, and guess what, they all lead happy, productive lives after college.

New Poster. The way I look at it is, we only get one life. Consequently, it's the journey that matters most, not the destination because you can never truly "arrive" at your destination until you die. With that in mind, the only way to live a happy life that makes sense to me is to try to live in the moment as much as possible and take it day by day. When it comes to education, you're best served by studying whatever you find most intrinsically interesting. The rest will follow one way or another.

We've been saving all along for our children's educations and will be able to pay for it when the time comes plus whatever graduate schooling they may desire. What have we been saving this money for if not to give them the gift of going to the best school they can get into and studying whatever they find interesting? I don't really care whatever careers they take on as long as they're engaged and happy and productive. I am impressed by teachers myself, I couldn't do it.

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Anonymous wrote:^Early childhood education is a specialized area of expertise just like Math/English/Science/History are.

Education degrees as a prerequisite for teaching excludes the fundamentals necessary for effective teaching. A teacher should focus on a discipline- mathematics, chemistry, biology, etc and earn a bachelors in that discipline. The last two summers of college the student would enroll in teaching courses, and in the last year the student would participate in classroom practicum.

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Anonymous wrote:^Early childhood education is a specialized area of expertise just like Math/English/Science/History are.

Education degrees as a prerequisite for teaching excludes the fundamentals necessary for effective teaching. A teacher should focus on a discipline- mathematics, chemistry, biology, etc and earn a bachelors in that discipline. The last two summers of college the student would enroll in teaching courses, and in the last year the student would participate in classroom practicum.

You're not talking about early childhood education. A teacher planning on teaching kindergarten should not focus on a discipline like math or chemistry. You are thinking about high school or maybe middle school.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:^Early childhood education is a specialized area of expertise just like Math/English/Science/History are.

Education degrees as a prerequisite for teaching excludes the fundamentals necessary for effective teaching. A teacher should focus on a discipline- mathematics, chemistry, biology, etc and earn a bachelors in that discipline. The last two summers of college the student would enroll in teaching courses, and in the last year the student would participate in classroom practicum.

You're not talking about early childhood education. A teacher planning on teaching kindergarten should not focus on a discipline like math or chemistry. You are thinking about high school or maybe middle school.

+1 I’m a high school teacher and we absolutely have to focus on a discipline like mathematics or English.

[Anonymous]

it is disgusting that there are still men around (and I believe the posters in question are men) who see marriage as a TRANSACTION. They are probably the same ones who have clauses in their pre-nups requiring their wives to maintain a certain weight. People aren't possessions or objects or trophies.

While I have great respect for stay at home PARENTS (just as I do for teachers)....bright women who continue to stay at home when their kids no longer need them full time DO play into this dated stereotype. I wonder what their daughters make of how their talented moms spend their days.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:https://heights.edu/faculty/


http://www.brookewood.org/faculty.html

http://www.brookewood.org/faculty-bios.html

You can’t see the bios of the St Albans teachers but if you look them up (linked in?) or have a child there you’d know:

https://www.stalbansschool.org/page/academics/faculty--staff/faculty--staff-directory?deptId=22339

Do you know how much the Brookewood teachers earn?

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Anonymous wrote:Here is something to think about.

Can a neurosurgeon teach 5th grade math? The answer is a resounding yes

Can an education major perform surgery on someone? The answer is absolutely NO

Therefore, study and become a doctor. It that does not work out, you can become a 5th grade teacher. The reverse is not possible.

I have nothing but respect for teachers. Lot of work and underpaid. I think most teachers make less than a high school drop out doing IT work. So unfair.

I am an actual rocket scientist, and I think you are an idiot. No, being highly specialized in one area doesn't make you qualified to do something you are not trained to do. Teaching is hard (I had to do it in grad school). Teaching pre-pubescent kids math sounds absolutely impossible to me.

[Anonymous]

Hard to do yes, but you are qualified to do it as a rocket scientist

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Hard to do yes, but you are qualified to do it as a rocket scientist

Actually I'm not. I'd need teaching credentials.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:OP, is your daughter pretty and thin? If so, it doesn’t matter. She can still marry well and have a nice UMC lifestyle. Seems to me that ~ 50% or more of elementary school teachers become SAHMs once kids arrive.

The daughter wont be thin anymore after kids arrive LOL

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Anonymous wrote:DD is incredible smart. She graduated Salutatorian of her High School and has made the Deans list for the past 3 semesters and will probably make it her fourth. Since her Sophmore year is HS DD has been adamant about going to business supply. She worked her ass of in HS and has in college as well in order to get into her grad school of choice. She’s currently at a top 10 school and is majoring in business and finance. She is a very strong math/Econ is student as my DH and I was so proud that she wanted to work in a male dominated field. I’ve always encouraged her to work hard so she can become financially independent as a woman in this economy. I pushed STEM/Medical/Busienss/Finances as DH and I both know those at promising career paths. DD has recently decided to switch to an elementary education degree in get a teaching certificate. She wants to teach 5th grade mathematics, which is great but feels like a waste of her intellect and drive. I believe teaching is a difficult and underpaid field, and I don’t want to see her struggle financially and not reach her full potential. I believe her advisor inspired this massive change. I am disappointed she’d make such a change and just worry. No disrespect to teachers, you are priceless but you know the struggle. I know I don’t have much control over her decisions, but I think she’ll really regret wasting her opportunities.

She's smart. Robotic process automation will soon eliminate the human labor in supply chains. Teaching children is a more reliable job for the future.

Teachers all over the country are staging walkouts due to the extremely low teacher salaries, saying that they need other jobs like waiting tables to make ends meet. It’s a profession, but it’s not currently one that can support you.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:https://heights.edu/faculty/


http://www.brookewood.org/faculty.html

http://www.brookewood.org/faculty-bios.html

You can’t see the bios of the St Albans teachers but if you look them up (linked in?) or have a child there you’d know:

https://www.stalbansschool.org/page/academics/faculty--staff/faculty--staff-directory?deptId=22339

Do you know how much the Brookewood teachers earn?

About $16,000 - they’ve taken a vow of poverty. Why do you ask?