Trump announces policy banning transgender military service

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There's a twitter thread here from an Iraqi vet--amputee. Worth reading. Explains the issue.

He's 100% correct.

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There is no conclusive evidence that sex change operations improve the lives of transsexuals, with many people remaining severely distressed and even suicidal after the operation, according to a medical review conducted exclusively for Guardian Weekend tomorrow.

The review of more than 100 international medical studies of post-operative transsexuals by the University of Birmingham's aggressive research intelligence facility (Arif) found no robust scientific evidence that gender reassignment surgery is clinically effective.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/society/2004/jul/30/health.mentalhealth

Surgery doesn't improve trans outcome.

So again, why are people with such high rates of mental distress and suicide being pushed onto the battlefields as patriots?

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Anonymous wrote:Respondents — which included people across the gender spectrum, including trans, non-binary, gender fluid, two-spirit and agender — reported sharp differences in mental health from the general population. Fully 40 percent of respondents said they had attempted suicide in their lifetime — nine times the general population's 4.6 percent rate. And 39 percent of respondents reported "serious psychological distress" in the month before submitting to the survey, about six times that of the general population.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.pbs.org/newshour/amp/rundown/largest-ever-survey-trans-adults

The battlefield needs suicidal and mentally distressed military. PERFECT!

Anyone here consider that being allowed to do what they feel is their job and duty and calling - serving in the military - would HELP that?

Anyone here consider that having the president tweet about how those people are substandard and can't fight, increases the chances that those people feel marginalized and increases their risk of suicide?

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The DoD used to classify being "Transgender," as a mental illness. Therefore, anyone self-identifying as such would not be granted a security clearance (required for military service). When did this policy change?

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Anonymous wrote:Respondents — which included people across the gender spectrum, including trans, non-binary, gender fluid, two-spirit and agender — reported sharp differences in mental health from the general population. Fully 40 percent of respondents said they had attempted suicide in their lifetime — nine times the general population's 4.6 percent rate. And 39 percent of respondents reported "serious psychological distress" in the month before submitting to the survey, about six times that of the general population.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.pbs.org/newshour/amp/rundown/largest-ever-survey-trans-adults

The battlefield needs suicidal and mentally distressed military. PERFECT!

Anyone here consider that being allowed to do what they feel is their job and duty and calling - serving in the military - would HELP that?

Anyone here consider that having the president tweet about how those people are substandard and can't fight, increases the chances that those people feel marginalized and increases their risk of suicide?

Again? The Military DOES NOT EXIST TO VALIDATE YOU.

You serve to serve your country, not to "try" to get your shit together.

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Anonymous wrote:You don't join the Military to have your gender validated or prove you can serve.

You don't join the Military to have costly surgeries and meds.

You join to serve your country.

Military service is not about you.

Republicans and their supporters have made it all about trans soldiers.

I have seen countless posts here denigrating service members, and how greedy and attention seeking they are.

But the most costly and oooh look at me I am so patriotic service members, trans, are applauded and pushed forward to cheers and drools of joy.

Transparent and disgusting.

Fixed that for you. Trans people just want to be left alone. Why can't Republicans stop talking about them and legislating against them? Let them do their job in peace.

Also, you seem to be gunning for a gold medal in the Martyr Olympics. USA! USA!

I wonder how many trans people would serve if they found out the taxpayer would not foot the bill for their surgery?

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Anonymous wrote:There is no conclusive evidence that sex change operations improve the lives of transsexuals, with many people remaining severely distressed and even suicidal after the operation, according to a medical review conducted exclusively for Guardian Weekend tomorrow.

The review of more than 100 international medical studies of post-operative transsexuals by the University of Birmingham's aggressive research intelligence facility (Arif) found no robust scientific evidence that gender reassignment surgery is clinically effective.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/society/2004/jul/30/health.mentalhealth

Surgery doesn't improve trans outcome.

So again, why are people with such high rates of mental distress and suicide being pushed onto the battlefields as patriots?

Being pushed? What makes you think they are being pushed IN? They want to serve and are being pushed OUT.

Not to mention not all transgendered people get surgery.

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Infinitely more medical and mental issues.

Trans surgery does not "fix" trans people. They still commit suicide at higher rates than the non trans population.

Just what high stress high tempo jobs need!

You know who else commit suicide at a high rate? Lawyers. Can we ban lawyers from the military?

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I don't know your friends of course, and I would completely respect them as human beings. But to say that they don't "choose" to behave in this manner is absurd.

I think you are right. Let's follow Mike Pence's lead and provide electro-shock therapy to see if we can get their minds right.

No one is saying they can't be transgendered. We are saying the taxpayers should not pay for the surgeries.

That isn't what the President is proposing. He is willfully removing thousands of active patriots (something he never did) from service. It has nothing to do with surgeries and everything to do with hate and fear-mongering.

Thousands?? So now there are thousands of transgendered persons in the military. Lol

2014 https://williamsinstitute.law.ucla.edu/research/military-related/us-transgender-military-service/

The same "Williams Institute" did a study and found that 0.3% of the 340 million Americans are Transgender. That is 102,000 and according to the PP they all are in the military. LOL!

Where did you pull that from. The numbers I have seen are 10,000-15,000. My husband has one in his reserve unit. He says it is no big deal.

My active duty son says it's a huge deal.

Asthma = can't serve

Trans = can serve.

I'm not sure I understand what your son's beef is. He has asthma but can't serve, and he's piqued that someone who has what he perceives to be a more deleterious medical problem is allowed to? Or is this a moral thing he's saying? It's a strange comparison.

Dear clueless, ppl with asthma are disqualified from service due to medical issues.

Trans, who have infinitely more medical issues, can serve.

My son serves. Currently deployed.

What are their medical issues? This decision by Trump would ALSO kick out any trans person who has also completed the transition process. In fact, I'd say the vast majority have already transitioned. That phase of their life is over.

What about women and their medical issues? Mentally ill soldiers? All of them can serve, yet you're not going on about their medical issues.

People with medical and mental issues are not allowed to enlist or commission.

Trans, who have both, should not be allowed to do so. Trump is doing the right thing.

Readiness Is #1.

Except for idiot Americans who don't give a fig about actual readiness.

What do you have to say to those transgendered vets who have already served with distinction, without having experienced any "medical conditions"? Should we revoke their status, just erase them from the books and pretend they never served?

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Anonymous wrote:Respondents — which included people across the gender spectrum, including trans, non-binary, gender fluid, two-spirit and agender — reported sharp differences in mental health from the general population. Fully 40 percent of respondents said they had attempted suicide in their lifetime — nine times the general population's 4.6 percent rate. And 39 percent of respondents reported "serious psychological distress" in the month before submitting to the survey, about six times that of the general population.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.pbs.org/newshour/amp/rundown/largest-ever-survey-trans-adults

The battlefield needs suicidal and mentally distressed military. PERFECT!

Anyone here consider that being allowed to do what they feel is their job and duty and calling - serving in the military - would HELP that?

Anyone here consider that having the president tweet about how those people are substandard and can't fight, increases the chances that those people feel marginalized and increases their risk of suicide?

Again? The Military DOES NOT EXIST TO VALIDATE YOU.

You serve to serve your country, not to "try" to get your shit together.

FFS these people want to serve their country. They are not joining up so they can get surgery paid for or try to hook up with members of their unit.

Btw the military validates PLENTY of low-income, young, white, males. No one is claiming the military EXISTS to provide that validation, but it's there.

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Sums it up

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politics/donald-trump-kristin-beck-navy-seal-transgender-ban-us-military-navy-president-a7861576.html

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Anonymous wrote:The DoD used to classify being "Transgender," as a mental illness. Therefore, anyone self-identifying as such would not be granted a security clearance (required for military service). When did this policy change?

Summer 2016

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Anonymous wrote:Approximately 250 Transgenders are in the Military of hundreds of thousands in a country of 340 million. Why is this even a story... meh!

I suspect a lot of people were enlisting in the hopes of having DOD pay for the transition. There have always been people who enlisted for medical care. Years ago, I knew someone who enlisted because his wife had cancer. Very sad. She was young. He did stay in after she passed and was an asset to the service. I also have known of others who did this. The data would be difficult to find, but I personally know of several who stayed in because of medical issues in their families.

Oh I have an awesome idea! Let's ensure everyone has access to health care, and then people won't need to join the military in order to get medical care!

I have another awesome idea, the Constitution and the Bill of Rights never said that Americans should have access to health care.

Actually it does... welfare encompasses healthcare, as does liberty.

LOL, sure it does. Please enlighten me on which Amendment of the 10 where it states this specific requirement?

How about 'life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness'...you think 'life' doesn't cover healthcare? Or only so much as it forces women to take pregnancies to term?

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Anonymous wrote:Respondents — which included people across the gender spectrum, including trans, non-binary, gender fluid, two-spirit and agender — reported sharp differences in mental health from the general population. Fully 40 percent of respondents said they had attempted suicide in their lifetime — nine times the general population's 4.6 percent rate. And 39 percent of respondents reported "serious psychological distress" in the month before submitting to the survey, about six times that of the general population.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.pbs.org/newshour/amp/rundown/largest-ever-survey-trans-adults

The battlefield needs suicidal and mentally distressed military. PERFECT!

Anyone here consider that being allowed to do what they feel is their job and duty and calling - serving in the military - would HELP that?

Anyone here consider that having the president tweet about how those people are substandard and can't fight, increases the chances that those people feel marginalized and increases their risk of suicide?

Again? The Military DOES NOT EXIST TO VALIDATE YOU.

You serve to serve your country, not to "try" to get your shit together.

FFS these people want to serve their country. They are not joining up so they can get surgery paid for or try to hook up with members of their unit.

Btw the military validates PLENTY of low-income, young, white, males. No one is claiming the military EXISTS to provide that validation, but it's there.

Low income black males
Low income Hispanic males
Low income black females
Low income Hispanic females

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Anonymous wrote:You don't join the Military to have your gender validated or prove you can serve.

You don't join the Military to have costly surgeries and meds.

You join to serve your country.

Military service is not about you.

Republicans and their supporters have made it all about trans soldiers.

I have seen countless posts here denigrating service members, and how greedy and attention seeking they are.

But the most costly and oooh look at me I am so patriotic service members, trans, are applauded and pushed forward to cheers and drools of joy.

Transparent and disgusting.

Fixed that for you. Trans people just want to be left alone. Why can't Republicans stop talking about them and legislating against them? Let them do their job in peace.

Also, you seem to be gunning for a gold medal in the Martyr Olympics. USA! USA!

I wonder how many trans people would serve if they found out the taxpayer would not foot the bill for their surgery?

US military study suggests that the cost to the military for this is between $2-8 million.

How much were Trump's trips to Mar-A-Lago?