Hijab/headscarf for Muslims
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Anonymous
Tell your own children what to do, would you? I'll leave when I'm good and ready. Besides, I HAVE added at least two bits of useful information: a. That face veil was a marker of upper classes, contradicting the PP's nonsense about its roots as protection against kidnappers, and b. That prayer movements aren't in the Quran yet embraced by the faithful. |
Anonymous
Yay for you. a. A bit of history that's 1300 years old and has been superceded by new meanings you didn't bother to mention, thereby misleading newcomers, and b. Something off topic about prayer. Oh, and c. Lots of insults and snark that several PPs thought were coming from OP, not from some rando with a mean streak, thereby derailing the conversation for a few pages. Go pat yourself on the back for being super relevant and helpful. |
Anonymous
| If I see a woman in this country wearing a hijab, I think she is ignorant and not very bright. when i see a niqab, I think she is ignorant and very dumb. |
Anonymous
In the first instance, we were talking about the roots of the face cover. There was no need to provide its entire history or progression of meaning. It certainly did NOT originate as protection from kidnapping (talk about misleading!). Whoever said that is wrong, and pointing that out is NOT wrong. The prayer bit is relevant because it's not in the Quran but embraced by the faithful (and not challenged by West). Shows that something can be NOT in the Quran and yet embraced. The stupid deserve the snark, and if you thought it was the OP, that's on you. People customarily identify themselves. I never pretended to be her. To conclude: everyone's a rando. You too. |
Anonymous
Ladies and gentleman let's give a big a round of applause for 1930's thinking!! 
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Anonymous
Save your pity. Male oppression is present in pretty much every major religion or culture. The hijab is a symbol for most of their religious expression. |
Anonymous
You have issues. |
Anonymous
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The whole practice is ridiculous. The Quran mentions modesty first of all - and this applies to both sexes.
Having said that, any person who is so mesmerized by ancient writing better get on the scientific train and head into 2016. I say this to both Christians and Muslims. time to realize that these texts were just ways to make sense of the world before we realized there were SCIENTIFIC explanations! Cover away, I say, but I can't respect your desire to do so. sorry |
Anonymous
Whatever you say, Muslima. (You've tried to pick apart every word used against you, but you never answered that. Maybe you're right, and we all do have some sort of ESP about whether it's OP posting or someone else.) |
Anonymous
| Wut? I said upthread, numerous times, that I am not Muslim, nor do I cover because see #1. I never answered your ridiculous assertion because I assumed you saw that. |
Anonymous
Don't posters who always have to get the last word in drive you nuts? |
Anonymous
No, not really. |
Anonymous
OK then. |
Anonymous
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The analogy between prayer movements and the hijab are false.
Payer movements were quickly established following Muhammad's death and haven't changed since. The hijab as we see it today, on the other hand, did not exist until the 1970's. The justification--given on many fundamentalist Islamic websites--is that it is in the verse of the Quran that says women should draw their shawls across their bosom, a term that now somehow is interpreted to include hair. This is a confusing and ill-justified conflation of the verse with the traditional veil long worn in the Middle East, going back well before Islam. It simply covers the hair lightly and there is no obsessiveness about ensuring that no wisp of hair is seen, as is the case with today's hijab wearers. I sympathize with censored PP's statements. It appears, that, she, like I, dislike the hijab because wearers most often believe it is dictated by the Quran but that is simply bad theology and, even worse, it reduces a serious religion with a history of sophisticated theology and scholarship to a series of petty dictates. I dislike the hijab because I admire Islam. |
Anonymous
You are wrong on both counts. The analogy of prayer movements and hijab is not false because it shows that something can be NOT in the Quran and yet embraced by the majority. There is no requirement that this something must be ancient. Secondly, the hijab justification is not that that women should draw their shawls across the bosoms but the hadith where Mohammed said nothing but face and hands can be shown if the woman reached puberty. |