PARCC Scores for Grades 3-8

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Common sense dictates that the Upper NW DCPS schools are better than all those EotP in a definitive way, mainly because they've been well-resourced and run (read primarily serving highly educated parents) for two or three decades. By contrast, the small number of predominantly white/high SES DCPS elementary schools and school-within-a-school programs EotP--Maury, Brent, Tyler Spanish Immersion, SWS--have been attracting a good many neighborhood families for under a decade. They still have a lot to learn from the way JKLM and co. do business. A better crafted and implemented PARCC test would surely point up disparities in the quality of education on offer, even on the upper echelon of DCPS.

Wonder what's going on at DCI MS. They're waiting for more white/Asian/high SES YY and MV kids to grow up to raise their scores? Buyer beware.



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Anonymous wrote:Folks seem to be worried that "less able" kids will impede their own child's learning, or hope that higher performing kids will improve it. That, in principle, seems to make sense. Other smart kids should challenge my own. Children who struggle with learning may demand more of the teacher's time and take away from my own children.

But the data for WOTP elementary schools don't seem to bear that out. As others have pointed out, the scores of white children across most WOTP schools are the same (statistically at least, though that is hard to gauge given this is the first time the test has been administered). Rather the differences seem entirely a result of a yawning achievement gap between white and black students and between economically advantaged and disadvantaged (to use the term provided by the test results). Perhaps that is because AA or economically disadvantaged students in these schools are not behavioral problems. Or perhaps as much as we think we are devoting more resources to help economically disadvantaged children, that in fact is a bit of a fantasy or woefully not enough (or for some, nothing much that schools can do), and the result leaves economically advantaged children (where WOTP white children largely fall) unaffected.

One last thought, it may still be the case that being around other high performing children has some benefit. These data are not definitive. But I might note that being around a diverse set of children -- economically, culturally, racially, etc.. -- may also have lifelong benefits equally or of even greater importance. Benefits that do not show up on a test, but that make for well-rounded and more understanding citizens.


Because everyone knows that white or economically advantaged students never present behavioral problems or interfere with clsssroom learning.
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Anonymous wrote:Common sense dictates that the Upper NW DCPS schools are better than all those EotP in a definitive way, mainly because they've been well-resourced and run (read primarily serving highly educated parents) for two or three decades. By contrast, the small number of predominantly white/high SES DCPS elementary schools and school-within-a-school programs EotP--Maury, Brent, Tyler Spanish Immersion, SWS--have been attracting a good many neighborhood families for under a decade. They still have a lot to learn from the way JKLM and co. do business. A better crafted and implemented PARCC test would surely point up disparities in the quality of education on offer, even on the upper echelon of DCPS.

Wonder what's going on at DCI MS. They're waiting for more white/Asian/high SES YY and MV kids to grow up to raise their scores? Buyer beware.





OMFG. How patrician of you.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:Surprised by the low number of SPED at MV. For such a big school - that's pretty low.




Not as low as Basis. That's actually quite disturbing, but then they just kick kids out.
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Anonymous wrote:Surprised by the low number of SPED at MV. For such a big school - that's pretty low.




Not as low as Basis. That's actually quite disturbing, but then they just kick kids out.


Actually are quite a few 'higher' performing schools with disturbingly low levels of SPED students.

SWW High School - .7%
Banneker - 2.4%
McKinley - 2%
Ellington - 4.6%

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Anonymous wrote:If you take the average of both scores, here are the best-performing schools (the share of kids scoring 4+):

Janney ES 0.7375
Ross ES 0.7255
Lafayette ES 0.719
Mann ES 0.706
Eaton ES 0.689
Stoddert ES 0.678
Murch ES 0.6745
Key ES 0.6495
Basis DC PCS 0.6335
Brent ES 0.626
Washington Yu Ying PCS 0.6105
DC Prep PCS Edgewood Elementary 0.6045
Washington Latin PCS - Middle School 0.5845
DC Prep PCS Edgewood Middle 0.568
KIPP DC LEAD Academy 0.549
Oyster Adams Bilingual School 0.5445
Deal MS 0.536
Hyde Addison ES 0.5165
School Within School at Goding 0.513
Latin American Montessori Bilingual (LAMB) PCS 0.458
Maury ES 0.44
Shepherd ES 0.4335
Hearst ES 0.4225
Inspired Teaching Demonstration PCS 0.383
Two Rivers PCS 0.375
Mundo Verde Bilingual PCS 0.354


Can you do the same list with the percentage of economically disadvantaged added? Would be helpful seeing which schools do the best with the poorer students. Thanks!



Actually, all of these schools have fewer than 25 economically disadvantage, which is pretty surprising given the size of many of them...

Brent ES
Capitol Hill Montessori School at Logan
Creative Minds International PCS
Eagle Academy PCS New Jersey Avenue Campus
Harmony DC PCS-School of Excellence
Janney ES
Key ES
Lafayette ES
Latin American Montessori Bilingual (LAMB) PCS
Mann ES
Richard Wright PCS for Journalism and Media Arts
Roots PCS
Ross ES
School Within School at Goding
Shining Stars Montessori Academy PCS
Stoddert ES
Washington Yu Ying PCS


I just want to point out that LAMB has 24% economically disadvantaged. So it's only just under your 25% limit. Some of these schools are in single digits.


Good Point : )




No, pointless. PP doesn't understand the rules of engagement. It's 25 students in the subset, not 25%.
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Anonymous wrote:If you take the average of both scores, here are the best-performing schools (the share of kids scoring 4+):

Janney ES 0.7375
Ross ES 0.7255
Lafayette ES 0.719
Mann ES 0.706
Eaton ES 0.689
Stoddert ES 0.678
Murch ES 0.6745
Key ES 0.6495
Basis DC PCS 0.6335
Brent ES 0.626
Washington Yu Ying PCS 0.6105
DC Prep PCS Edgewood Elementary 0.6045
Washington Latin PCS - Middle School 0.5845
DC Prep PCS Edgewood Middle 0.568
KIPP DC LEAD Academy 0.549
Oyster Adams Bilingual School 0.5445
Deal MS 0.536
Hyde Addison ES 0.5165
School Within School at Goding 0.513
Latin American Montessori Bilingual (LAMB) PCS 0.458
Maury ES 0.44
Shepherd ES 0.4335
Hearst ES 0.4225
Inspired Teaching Demonstration PCS 0.383
Two Rivers PCS 0.375
Mundo Verde Bilingual PCS 0.354


Can you do the same list with the percentage of economically disadvantaged added? Would be helpful seeing which schools do the best with the poorer students. Thanks!



Actually, all of these schools have fewer than 25 economically disadvantage, which is pretty surprising given the size of many of them...

Brent ES
Capitol Hill Montessori School at Logan
Creative Minds International PCS
Eagle Academy PCS New Jersey Avenue Campus
Harmony DC PCS-School of Excellence
Janney ES
Key ES
Lafayette ES
Latin American Montessori Bilingual (LAMB) PCS
Mann ES
Richard Wright PCS for Journalism and Media Arts
Roots PCS
Ross ES
School Within School at Goding
Shining Stars Montessori Academy PCS
Stoddert ES
Washington Yu Ying PCS


I just want to point out that LAMB has 24% economically disadvantaged. So it's only just under your 25% limit. Some of these schools are in single digits.


Good Point : )




No, pointless. PP doesn't understand the rules of engagement. It's 25 students in the subset, not 25%.


Actually LAMB does have 24% economically disadvantaged - look it up. http://learndc.org/schoolprofiles/view?s=0193#equityreport

But they also have fewer than 25 of these students in most of the testing subsets.
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Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Surprised by the low number of SPED at MV. For such a big school - that's pretty low.




Not as low as Basis. That's actually quite disturbing, but then they just kick kids out.


Actually are quite a few 'higher' performing schools with disturbingly low levels of SPED students.

SWW High School - .7%
Banneker - 2.4%
McKinley - 2%
Ellington - 4.6%



But those are all admissions schools--you have to take a test to get in and have a certain GPA. Plus there's an interview at SWW, an audition at Ellington, etc. MV and BASIS are lottery schools--they have to take anyone who enters and gets in through the lottery. So you would expect them to have a higher percentage of special ed kids. Now maybe sped parents just aren't entering the lottery for those schools. But it would be weird for sped parents to be much more willing to enter the lottery for LAMB, DC Bilingual, Stokes, etc. and not MV. Is it possible that MV is just more generous in paying for private placements for sped kids and gets them out of the school?
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Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:If you take the average of both scores, here are the best-performing schools (the share of kids scoring 4+):

Janney ES 0.7375
Ross ES 0.7255
Lafayette ES 0.719
Mann ES 0.706
Eaton ES 0.689
Stoddert ES 0.678
Murch ES 0.6745
Key ES 0.6495
Basis DC PCS 0.6335
Brent ES 0.626
Washington Yu Ying PCS 0.6105
DC Prep PCS Edgewood Elementary 0.6045
Washington Latin PCS - Middle School 0.5845
DC Prep PCS Edgewood Middle 0.568
KIPP DC LEAD Academy 0.549
Oyster Adams Bilingual School 0.5445
Deal MS 0.536
Hyde Addison ES 0.5165
School Within School at Goding 0.513
Latin American Montessori Bilingual (LAMB) PCS 0.458
Maury ES 0.44
Shepherd ES 0.4335
Hearst ES 0.4225
Inspired Teaching Demonstration PCS 0.383
Two Rivers PCS 0.375
Mundo Verde Bilingual PCS 0.354



If these are the best performing schools what are the worst.!?!

Less than .20-.10 percent scoring 4+



Just like YY started out struggling on paper as far as scores are concerned, ITS and MV will be on par with YY in a few years. They have matching demographics and no reason not to succeed. By every indication, families love it there. PP pointed out that the 3rd graders (I think kids that started there in PK4) are in the mid 50s.


ITS and MV have different admissions entry options than YY. Also, until last year YY had time stamp waitlists which one could guess helped ensure dedicated families attending.




Sorry, what would those be? Don't they all use the common lottery as the entry point? And don't both MV and YY have grade cut-offs, after which a student is deemed too old/far behind to catch up with the target language?

YY has always been perceived to have benefited from the fairly high SES of its population.
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Anonymous wrote:Anyone else take notice of Ludlow Taylor's scores relative to last year's miraculous improvement on DCCASS? Things that make you go hmmmmmmmm.........................


L-T scores are not bad at all on this new test either.
Math is in the 40% (same as Maury); they did not do well at all in ELA.

Did you also post the same general accusation on the LA to Capitol Hill-ES thread?

I don't think you are correct in your suspicions. I do think L-T needs to improve their scores in ELA, and then they will be at least as good as Maury, even with a lot more economically disadvantaged kids.


You should double check your understanding of their scores. According to the grade by grade results (for which inexplicably LT had reportable scores in only 3rd grade) they were 34.2% and 21.1% in math and ELA, respectively. Let's compare to other Hill schools, shall we?

Brent 61.8/67.3
Maury 43.9/41.5
J.O. 49.1/30.9

As to my suspicions, the PARCC #'s might lead one to conclude that the one time spike was, at best, anomalous. [cough, cough].

And I have no idea what an "LA to Capitol Hill-ES thread" is, but if someone is questioning LT's prior score spike then I am with them.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:How does DCPS explain the 1.5% for ELA @ Amidon? Disgraceful and doesn't bode well for the pipedream of a Jefferson MS renaissance.


If you know the school, you know who the one kid is who scored that high. Backing out the stats gives a pretty good demographic profile.

Agreed that it is pathetic. Wonder how it will change over time, especially as Van Ness adds more grades and the boundary for testing grades shrinks. A lot will depend on which kids from PK stay. I haven't seen much indication that DCPS understands how to teach economically disadvantaged or special ed kids. When a school's test scores improve, it tends to just be that the student body has become more white kids and less poor.

The fact that the neighborhood was removed from the Wilson boundary is an additional challenge. Parents who might have stayed at Amidon, knowing that if they lived in the neighborhood they had a right to Wilson (whether or not they went to Jefferson for middle school) are now more likely to jump ship if they get into an elementary school with a better feeder pattern, or to just move in-bounds for a better school.

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Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Surprised by the low number of SPED at MV. For such a big school - that's pretty low.




Not as low as Basis. That's actually quite disturbing, but then they just kick kids out.


Actually are quite a few 'higher' performing schools with disturbingly low levels of SPED students.

SWW High School - .7%
Banneker - 2.4%
McKinley - 2%
Ellington - 4.6%



But those are all admissions schools--you have to take a test to get in and have a certain GPA. Plus there's an interview at SWW, an audition at Ellington, etc. MV and BASIS are lottery schools--they have to take anyone who enters and gets in through the lottery. So you would expect them to have a higher percentage of special ed kids. Now maybe sped parents just aren't entering the lottery for those schools. But it would be weird for sped parents to be much more willing to enter the lottery for LAMB, DC Bilingual, Stokes, etc. and not MV. Is it possible that MV is just more generous in paying for private placements for sped kids and gets them out of the school?


When a school funds a private placement, the student is still counted as a member of the school that provides the funding.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:If you take the average of both scores, here are the best-performing schools (the share of kids scoring 4+):

Janney ES 0.7375
Ross ES 0.7255
Lafayette ES 0.719
Mann ES 0.706
Eaton ES 0.689
Stoddert ES 0.678
Murch ES 0.6745
Key ES 0.6495
Basis DC PCS 0.6335
Brent ES 0.626
Washington Yu Ying PCS 0.6105
DC Prep PCS Edgewood Elementary 0.6045
Washington Latin PCS - Middle School 0.5845
DC Prep PCS Edgewood Middle 0.568
KIPP DC LEAD Academy 0.549
Oyster Adams Bilingual School 0.5445
Deal MS 0.536
Hyde Addison ES 0.5165
School Within School at Goding 0.513
Latin American Montessori Bilingual (LAMB) PCS 0.458
Maury ES 0.44
Shepherd ES 0.4335
Hearst ES 0.4225
Inspired Teaching Demonstration PCS 0.383
Two Rivers PCS 0.375
Mundo Verde Bilingual PCS 0.354



If these are the best performing schools what are the worst.!?!

Less than .20-.10 percent scoring 4+



Just like YY started out struggling on paper as far as scores are concerned, ITS and MV will be on par with YY in a few years. They have matching demographics and no reason not to succeed. By every indication, families love it there. PP pointed out that the 3rd graders (I think kids that started there in PK4) are in the mid 50s.


ITS and MV have different admissions entry options than YY. Also, until last year YY had time stamp waitlists which one could guess helped ensure dedicated families attending.




Sorry, what would those be? Don't they all use the common lottery as the entry point? And don't both MV and YY have grade cut-offs, after which a student is deemed too old/far behind to catch up with the target language?

YY has always been perceived to have benefited from the fairly high SES of its population.


NP here. I think the point here is that the kids taking the test are in 3rd+. That means that the kids at YY who took the test were admitted during the "can you afford to wait in line" admissions policy. As a result YY's population wasn't "perceived" to be higher SES, the system was set up in such a way to drive that result.
Anonymous
Oh please, a bumper crops of kids whose parents waited in line to get competitive WL numbers hasn't made YY mostly high SES. Hello, the screening device is the demands imposed by the Mandarin immersion requirement.

Families who can afford instructional software and cable channels from China, immersion summer camps, Chinese au pairs/babysitters/exchange students, family trips to Chinese-speaking countries etc. are the ones whose kids thrive at YY, a school with hardly any native-speaking kids.




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Anonymous wrote:Surprised by the low number of SPED at MV. For such a big school - that's pretty low.




Not as low as Basis. That's actually quite disturbing, but then they just kick kids out.


Actually are quite a few 'higher' performing schools with disturbingly low levels of SPED students.

SWW High School - .7%
Banneker - 2.4%
McKinley - 2%
Ellington - 4.6%



But those are all admissions schools--you have to take a test to get in and have a certain GPA. Plus there's an interview at SWW, an audition at Ellington, etc. MV and BASIS are lottery schools--they have to take anyone who enters and gets in through the lottery. So you would expect them to have a higher percentage of special ed kids. Now maybe sped parents just aren't entering the lottery for those schools. But it would be weird for sped parents to be much more willing to enter the lottery for LAMB, DC Bilingual, Stokes, etc. and not MV. Is it possible that MV is just more generous in paying for private placements for sped kids and gets them out of the school?


Parent of 9th grader at BASIS with an IEP (never been kicked out or had issues with services/accommodations).

I think there's a more systemic bias happening. My DC gets extended time on school tests and on AP exams. SWW wouldn't allow that accommodation on its entrance exam, which was ridiculous. I'm sure we could have fought it but decided to stay put since our DC was happy at BASIS anyway. But I really would like to know how many students with IEPs apply to the application high schools and what the admit rate is because there is no reason that a child with dyslexia shouldn't be able to succeed at Ellington or a child with HFA can't do well at McKinley, Banneker or SWW.

As for the elementary schools - my hunch is that MV simply doesn't yet have a very good intake/early intervention program to identify kids who need special education services. The thing is that many parents who are applying for these schools with 2.5 year olds don't know that their child has learning disabilities. Significant issues like autism or speech language delays or behavioral issues may be apparent early - but diatnoses of ADHD, dyslexia or dysgraphia often aren't identified or confirmed until students are older.




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