Religion that will help little girl feell good about herself, make peace with existential crisis

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Anonymous wrote:Meh I'll count on one of the religions that gives me salvation after death There are a few of those right?

Christianity gives you salvation after death, as long as you believed in God and Jesus during your life. Even if you accept Christ at the very last moment before you die, you can still go to heaven, no matter how sinful your life has been. God in his mercy gives all his children this last chance.

However, if you die suddenly, with no warning, and have not yet accepted Christ, then you cannot get into heaven.

I love this part.

An atheist who works with Doctors Without Borders who dies of a heart attack won't enter heaven.

b/c your god is a loving god

Why would he want to enter heaven if he denies Christ? You really can't have it both ways.

He doesn't deny Christ -- just doesn't believe in him. Why doesn't Christ want a good person in his eternal kingdom? Because "good" isn't the main criterion -- faith is.

Do you believe in a god like this? Fine. I suspect the doctors without borders don't want anything to do such a character - and so don't believe in him.

Not believing in Him is denying Him. That's such a strange argument.

So again, why would this doctor want to go to heaven?

I am personally glad that "good" isn't the sole criteria (I say sole to avoid arguments from the faith without works camp). Quite simply, we can never measure up. We can never be good enough. Thankfully, we don't have to be.

I feel similarly. If the doctor thinks God is no more than a story and has already settled on the idea that all awareness ends with life on earth, then what's the problem? That doctor just ends and he doesn't have to go on.

But if the doctor is wrong and there really is a god and a heaven (and hell) he doesn't "just end" Instead, God, according to his own rules, is obliged to send the doctor who did so much good while alive, to hell.

Ah hah!!! So this described do-gooder doctor/ atheist DOES have doubts about his beliefs, or non-beliefs as the case is here. I knew it.

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Anonymous wrote:Meh I'll count on one of the religions that gives me salvation after death There are a few of those right?

Christianity gives you salvation after death, as long as you believed in God and Jesus during your life. Even if you accept Christ at the very last moment before you die, you can still go to heaven, no matter how sinful your life has been. God in his mercy gives all his children this last chance.

However, if you die suddenly, with no warning, and have not yet accepted Christ, then you cannot get into heaven.

I love this part.

An atheist who works with Doctors Without Borders who dies of a heart attack won't enter heaven.

b/c your god is a loving god

Why would he want to enter heaven if he denies Christ? You really can't have it both ways.

He doesn't deny Christ -- just doesn't believe in him. Why doesn't Christ want a good person in his eternal kingdom? Because "good" isn't the main criterion -- faith is.

Do you believe in a god like this? Fine. I suspect the doctors without borders don't want anything to do such a character - and so don't believe in him.

Not believing in Him is denying Him. That's such a strange argument.

So again, why would this doctor want to go to heaven?

I am personally glad that "good" isn't the sole criteria (I say sole to avoid arguments from the faith without works camp). Quite simply, we can never measure up. We can never be good enough. Thankfully, we don't have to be.

I feel similarly. If the doctor thinks God is no more than a story and has already settled on the idea that all awareness ends with life on earth, then what's the problem? That doctor just ends and he doesn't have to go on.

But if the doctor is wrong and there really is a god and a heaven (and hell) he doesn't "just end" Instead, God, according to his own rules, is obliged to send the doctor who did so much good while alive, to hell.

But again, what does the doctor care? Why would he want to be with someone who he denied during his life? It sounds like you fear death just as much you (probably) claim that Christians do.

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Anonymous wrote:Meh I'll count on one of the religions that gives me salvation after death There are a few of those right?

Christianity gives you salvation after death, as long as you believed in God and Jesus during your life. Even if you accept Christ at the very last moment before you die, you can still go to heaven, no matter how sinful your life has been. God in his mercy gives all his children this last chance.

However, if you die suddenly, with no warning, and have not yet accepted Christ, then you cannot get into heaven.

I love this part.

An atheist who works with Doctors Without Borders who dies of a heart attack won't enter heaven.

b/c your god is a loving god

Why would he want to enter heaven if he denies Christ? You really can't have it both ways.

He doesn't deny Christ -- just doesn't believe in him. Why doesn't Christ want a good person in his eternal kingdom? Because "good" isn't the main criterion -- faith is.

Do you believe in a god like this? Fine. I suspect the doctors without borders don't want anything to do such a character - and so don't believe in him.

Not believing in Him is denying Him. That's such a strange argument.

So again, why would this doctor want to go to heaven?

I am personally glad that "good" isn't the sole criteria (I say sole to avoid arguments from the faith without works camp). Quite simply, we can never measure up. We can never be good enough. Thankfully, we don't have to be.

I feel similarly. If the doctor thinks God is no more than a story and has already settled on the idea that all awareness ends with life on earth, then what's the problem? That doctor just ends and he doesn't have to go on.

But if the doctor is wrong and there really is a god and a heaven (and hell) he doesn't "just end" Instead, God, according to his own rules, is obliged to send the doctor who did so much good while alive, to hell.

Ah, but I think the doctor being in a state of nothing for eternity is hell. No burning hellfire. Just nothing forever.

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That's not hell. That's just returning to what he was before he was born. He has no recollection of his nothingness and no fear of it. You're projecting your fear onto him b

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Sorry sorry - before he was conceived. Must keep in mind who we're speaking to.

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Anonymous wrote:That's not hell. That's just returning to what he was before he was born. He has no recollection of his nothingness and no fear of it. You're projecting your fear onto him b

It is separation from God forever, the very definition of hell. How do you know there is no recollection and nothing to fear. You are merely proving the old saying that there are no atheists in foxholes.

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Anonymous wrote:Meh I'll count on one of the religions that gives me salvation after death There are a few of those right?

Christianity gives you salvation after death, as long as you believed in God and Jesus during your life. Even if you accept Christ at the very last moment before you die, you can still go to heaven, no matter how sinful your life has been. God in his mercy gives all his children this last chance.

However, if you die suddenly, with no warning, and have not yet accepted Christ, then you cannot get into heaven.

I love this part.

An atheist who works with Doctors Without Borders who dies of a heart attack won't enter heaven.

b/c your god is a loving god

Why would he want to enter heaven if he denies Christ? You really can't have it both ways.

He doesn't deny Christ -- just doesn't believe in him. Why doesn't Christ want a good person in his eternal kingdom? Because "good" isn't the main criterion -- faith is.

Do you believe in a god like this? Fine. I suspect the doctors without borders don't want anything to do such a character - and so don't believe in him.

Not believing in Him is denying Him. That's such a strange argument.

So again, why would this doctor want to go to heaven?

I am personally glad that "good" isn't the sole criteria (I say sole to avoid arguments from the faith without works camp). Quite simply, we can never measure up. We can never be good enough. Thankfully, we don't have to be.

I feel similarly. If the doctor thinks God is no more than a story and has already settled on the idea that all awareness ends with life on earth, then what's the problem? That doctor just ends and he doesn't have to go on.

But if the doctor is wrong and there really is a god and a heaven (and hell) he doesn't "just end" Instead, God, according to his own rules, is obliged to send the doctor who did so much good while alive, to hell.

But again, what does the doctor care? Why would he want to be with someone who he denied during his life? It sounds like you fear death just as much you (probably) claim that Christians do.

It's not a matter of what the Doctor cares about -- if the Christian God exists, everyone, when they die, will experience the fate, based on their beliefs, that the Christian God set out for all humanity. Accept Jesus Christ as your savior - fine - you go to heaven. DOn't accept him or never even heard of him -- sorry, you go to hell.

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Anonymous wrote:Meh I'll count on one of the religions that gives me salvation after death There are a few of those right?

Christianity gives you salvation after death, as long as you believed in God and Jesus during your life. Even if you accept Christ at the very last moment before you die, you can still go to heaven, no matter how sinful your life has been. God in his mercy gives all his children this last chance.

However, if you die suddenly, with no warning, and have not yet accepted Christ, then you cannot get into heaven.

I love this part.

An atheist who works with Doctors Without Borders who dies of a heart attack won't enter heaven.

b/c your god is a loving god

Why would he want to enter heaven if he denies Christ? You really can't have it both ways.

He doesn't deny Christ -- just doesn't believe in him. Why doesn't Christ want a good person in his eternal kingdom? Because "good" isn't the main criterion -- faith is.

Do you believe in a god like this? Fine. I suspect the doctors without borders don't want anything to do such a character - and so don't believe in him.

Not believing in Him is denying Him. That's such a strange argument.

So again, why would this doctor want to go to heaven?

I am personally glad that "good" isn't the sole criteria (I say sole to avoid arguments from the faith without works camp). Quite simply, we can never measure up. We can never be good enough. Thankfully, we don't have to be.

I feel similarly. If the doctor thinks God is no more than a story and has already settled on the idea that all awareness ends with life on earth, then what's the problem? That doctor just ends and he doesn't have to go on.

But if the doctor is wrong and there really is a god and a heaven (and hell) he doesn't "just end" Instead, God, according to his own rules, is obliged to send the doctor who did so much good while alive, to hell.

But again, what does the doctor care? Why would he want to be with someone who he denied during his life? It sounds like you fear death just as much you (probably) claim that Christians do.

It's not a matter of what the Doctor cares about -- if the Christian God exists, everyone, when they die, will experience the fate, based on their beliefs, that the Christian God set out for all humanity. Accept Jesus Christ as your savior - fine - you go to heaven. DOn't accept him or never even heard of him -- sorry, you go to hell.

It's not quite that cut and dried, PP. But one thing is clear: REJECT him (not necessarily the same thing as not accept and certainly not the same as never heard of ) and you will spend eternity away from God.

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Anonymous wrote:Meh I'll count on one of the religions that gives me salvation after death There are a few of those right?

Christianity gives you salvation after death, as long as you believed in God and Jesus during your life. Even if you accept Christ at the very last moment before you die, you can still go to heaven, no matter how sinful your life has been. God in his mercy gives all his children this last chance.

However, if you die suddenly, with no warning, and have not yet accepted Christ, then you cannot get into heaven.

I love this part.

An atheist who works with Doctors Without Borders who dies of a heart attack won't enter heaven.

b/c your god is a loving god

Why would he want to enter heaven if he denies Christ? You really can't have it both ways.

He doesn't deny Christ -- just doesn't believe in him. Why doesn't Christ want a good person in his eternal kingdom? Because "good" isn't the main criterion -- faith is.

Do you believe in a god like this? Fine. I suspect the doctors without borders don't want anything to do such a character - and so don't believe in him.

Not believing in Him is denying Him. That's such a strange argument.

So again, why would this doctor want to go to heaven?

I am personally glad that "good" isn't the sole criteria (I say sole to avoid arguments from the faith without works camp). Quite simply, we can never measure up. We can never be good enough. Thankfully, we don't have to be.

I feel similarly. If the doctor thinks God is no more than a story and has already settled on the idea that all awareness ends with life on earth, then what's the problem? That doctor just ends and he doesn't have to go on.

But if the doctor is wrong and there really is a god and a heaven (and hell) he doesn't "just end" Instead, God, according to his own rules, is obliged to send the doctor who did so much good while alive, to hell.

But again, what does the doctor care? Why would he want to be with someone who he denied during his life? It sounds like you fear death just as much you (probably) claim that Christians do.

It's not a matter of what the Doctor cares about -- if the Christian God exists, everyone, when they die, will experience the fate, based on their beliefs, that the Christian God set out for all humanity. Accept Jesus Christ as your savior - fine - you go to heaven. DOn't accept him or never even heard of him -- sorry, you go to hell.

It's not quite that cut and dried, PP. But one thing is clear: REJECT him (not necessarily the same thing as not accept and certainly not the same as never heard of ) and you will spend eternity away from God.

What about the missionaries who go around to people who never heard of Jesus to convert them so they can be saved and go to heaven? That's their whole point -- they are saving souls for Christ.

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Anonymous wrote:That's not hell. That's just returning to what he was before he was born. He has no recollection of his nothingness and no fear of it. You're projecting your fear onto him b

It is separation from God forever, the very definition of hell. How do you know there is no recollection and nothing to fear. You are merely proving the old saying that there are no atheists in foxholes.

There are no atheists in foxholes because foxholes ARE hell, and you'll tell yourself anything and believe anything to get out of a fucking foxhole. But our Doctors without Borders friends isn't in a foxhole, he's feeling pretty great about the here and now where he's helping other human beings and he gets hit by a car and never experiences foxhole hell. Do YOU recall anything before you were born, or are you just hanging your hat on that stupid book again?

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Anonymous wrote:That's not hell. That's just returning to what he was before he was born. He has no recollection of his nothingness and no fear of it. You're projecting your fear onto him b

It is separation from God forever, the very definition of hell. How do you know there is no recollection and nothing to fear. You are merely proving the old saying that there are no atheists in foxholes.

There are no atheists in foxholes because foxholes ARE hell, and you'll tell yourself anything and believe anything to get out of a fucking foxhole. But our Doctors without Borders friends isn't in a foxhole, he's feeling pretty great about the here and now where he's helping other human beings and he gets hit by a car and never experiences foxhole hell. Do YOU recall anything before you were born, or are you just hanging your hat on that stupid book again?

There ARE atheists in foxholes - a whole list of them: http://militaryatheists.org/atheists-in-foxholes/

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^ touche.

Hey 13:02, if your God is as vengeful, hypocritical, unforgiving, and ludicrous as you are defining him to be, you can keep him. I'd rather spend eternity alone.

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Anonymous wrote:Meh I'll count on one of the religions that gives me salvation after death There are a few of those right?

Christianity gives you salvation after death, as long as you believed in God and Jesus during your life. Even if you accept Christ at the very last moment before you die, you can still go to heaven, no matter how sinful your life has been. God in his mercy gives all his children this last chance.

However, if you die suddenly, with no warning, and have not yet accepted Christ, then you cannot get into heaven.

I love this part.

An atheist who works with Doctors Without Borders who dies of a heart attack won't enter heaven.

b/c your god is a loving god

Why would he want to enter heaven if he denies Christ? You really can't have it both ways.

He doesn't deny Christ -- just doesn't believe in him. Why doesn't Christ want a good person in his eternal kingdom? Because "good" isn't the main criterion -- faith is.

Do you believe in a god like this? Fine. I suspect the doctors without borders don't want anything to do such a character - and so don't believe in him.

Not believing in Him is denying Him. That's such a strange argument.

So again, why would this doctor want to go to heaven?

I am personally glad that "good" isn't the sole criteria (I say sole to avoid arguments from the faith without works camp). Quite simply, we can never measure up. We can never be good enough. Thankfully, we don't have to be.

I feel similarly. If the doctor thinks God is no more than a story and has already settled on the idea that all awareness ends with life on earth, then what's the problem? That doctor just ends and he doesn't have to go on.

But if the doctor is wrong and there really is a god and a heaven (and hell) he doesn't "just end" Instead, God, according to his own rules, is obliged to send the doctor who did so much good while alive, to hell.

But again, what does the doctor care? Why would he want to be with someone who he denied during his life? It sounds like you fear death just as much you (probably) claim that Christians do.

It's not a matter of what the Doctor cares about -- if the Christian God exists, everyone, when they die, will experience the fate, based on their beliefs, that the Christian God set out for all humanity. Accept Jesus Christ as your savior - fine - you go to heaven. DOn't accept him or never even heard of him -- sorry, you go to hell.

It's not quite that cut and dried, PP. But one thing is clear: REJECT him (not necessarily the same thing as not accept and certainly not the same as never heard of ) and you will spend eternity away from God.

What about the missionaries who go around to people who never heard of Jesus to convert them so they can be saved and go to heaven? That's their whole point -- they are saving souls for Christ.

I personally believe there's a lot of grace given to those who haven't heard the Gospel - even the Roman Catholic church teaches that. That's not the case with your atheist doctor.

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Anonymous wrote:I don't think formal religion is necessary.

But I do believe religion is necessary for kids - it gives them answers to all your DD's questions. Gives them a reason to be good, love one another, etc. It sure helped when our cat died 2 weeks ago (Jesus left a note for 3 yr old DD that he came and took her to heaven, clouds drawn around it etc). I asked DD tonite "where's kitty?" She told me in heaven with Jesus. And I've never taken her to church. And telling her not to hit because it makes Jesus sad works too.

When my DD is older, she can read the bible and internet or whatever and formulate her own modified beliefs, but I think a childhood without religion is seriously lacking. Plus, with no religion now, there's no choice to make later. I think it's near impossible to make that leap as an adult. I'd think it's like trying to convince a jewish or muslim person that jesus was the messiah and god was his dad.

What? You are totally using Jesus as a character to fill a Santa Claus-type role and make it easier for you to parent. Shame on you!!! What a shallow understanding of Jesus and his message. Either teach Christianity or teach about death and empathy from a humanist perspective, but don't pull Jesus out when you need a easy way to manipulate your kid into being docile and "good."

+1 I"m glad the Jesus/Santa person posted here so she can get a grip on how bad her ideas are.

It is so evil that my DD wants to be good for God and Jesus and that she believes our cat is in heaven. You are right - I am totally an evil parent. I will tell her tonite Jesus is bullshit.

You all cannot be serious. Wow, so many F'd up people in this world. . .

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Anonymous wrote:I don't think formal religion is necessary.

But I do believe religion is necessary for kids - it gives them answers to all your DD's questions. Gives them a reason to be good, love one another, etc. It sure helped when our cat died 2 weeks ago (Jesus left a note for 3 yr old DD that he came and took her to heaven, clouds drawn around it etc). I asked DD tonite "where's kitty?" She told me in heaven with Jesus. And I've never taken her to church. And telling her not to hit because it makes Jesus sad works too.

When my DD is older, she can read the bible and internet or whatever and formulate her own modified beliefs, but I think a childhood without religion is seriously lacking. Plus, with no religion now, there's no choice to make later. I think it's near impossible to make that leap as an adult. I'd think it's like trying to convince a jewish or muslim person that jesus was the messiah and god was his dad.

News flash -- There are no pets in heaven according to any Christian denomination. Animals don't have souls and humans do, according to Christian teaching. So that when people die, if they have followed the lord, their souls go to heaven. But there are no cats and dogs there because they do not have souls. There are also no notes from Jesus.

I suggest taking your DD to church so she can learn real religion and stop making up your own religion. As someone else mentioned, it just sounds like Santa Claus. Pure fantasy.

NEWS FLASH - that issue is not addressed in the Bible directly whatsoever. And don't tell me that my religion is not a "real religion" - I can read the Bible, or any other religious text for that matter, and formulate my own beliefs thank you goodbye.