Colvin Run Elementary School

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Anonymous wrote:NP, why are all these aap classes filled to the brim the Asian kids when its supposed to be “gifted” kids?

They achieve the needed test scores on the NNAT and CogAT and so are in pool. Their classwork is good enough and they get the GBRS. Start a new topic if you want to explore the why, which is a different question and not really a fit for this topic.

Hi, I’m the poster asking about mostly Asians getting into aap. I posted here because I’m a parent at Colvin Run and volunteer a lot so I get to know all the kids. It’s clear the majority get into aap, which we all already know because they study for those tests as you mentioned. For example, I saw in one 3rd grade class all the kids are Asian except for 2 kids. However, I’ll be honest. I don’t see any difference or signs of “giftedness” between the aap and gen ed kids at the school. Is this specific to Colvin Run or are all the center schools like this where if you prep for the nnat and cogat and in the pool you get in? Are all the centers school filled mainly with aap kids who just had pushy parents? I’m considering moving which is why I ask.

I'm not sure that there's a visible or obvious difference between 3rd grade gen ed and aap at our non-CRES center school but neither aap nor gen ed is all Asian, at our school. Both gen ed and aap classes include white, Asian, black and Hispanic students, in varying amounts.

Thank you that’s helpful and really good to know. If I may ask, which school do you go to?

[Anonymous]

There are huge differences among FCPS elementary schools.
Some schools have wide discrepancies in socio economics, which tends to correlate to school achievement.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:NP, why are all these aap classes filled to the brim the Asian kids when its supposed to be “gifted” kids?

They achieve the needed test scores on the NNAT and CogAT and so are in pool. Their classwork is good enough and they get the GBRS. Start a new topic if you want to explore the why, which is a different question and not really a fit for this topic.

Hi, I’m the poster asking about mostly Asians getting into aap. I posted here because I’m a parent at Colvin Run and volunteer a lot so I get to know all the kids. It’s clear the majority get into aap, which we all already know because they study for those tests as you mentioned. For example, I saw in one 3rd grade class all the kids are Asian except for 2 kids. However, I’ll be honest. I don’t see any difference or signs of “giftedness” between the aap and gen ed kids at the school. Is this specific to Colvin Run or are all the center schools like this where if you prep for the nnat and cogat and in the pool you get in? Are all the centers school filled mainly with aap kids who just had pushy parents? I’m considering moving which is why I ask.

Based only on comments that I have read here and the stereotypes that accompany said comments, Asian parents are more likely to put their kids into after school tutoring programs and stress that their kids get ahead of the class in academics. As such, their kids are more likely to score high on the NNAT and the CogAT and do better on report cards and the like. It is not so much that they are more gifted but that their parents are more focused on academics then the traditional American household.

If you look at the questions on the NNAT and CogAT, you can find samples online, you can see where any parent who reads to their kid regularly and plays math games and the like with them would do well on the NNAT and CogAT. Asian families have the reputation of sending kids to Prep Centers for these exams to insure that their kids score high enough to get into AAP.

So no, there is no genetic advantage that Asian kids have but there appears to be a cultural advantage when it comes to academics.

There are plenty of studies that show that the kids who show up to Kindergarten reading or who are far ahead in reading/math/writing tend to be at grade level by the time they hit thrid grade. The kids whose parents spent less time reading to or playing math games or the like catch up over the course of a few years of school. I suspect that you would find something similar in third grade with AAP vs Gen Ed students.

If you could make a test that people did not learn enough about to prep their kid so that their kid can crush the test.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:NP, why are all these aap classes filled to the brim the Asian kids when its supposed to be “gifted” kids?

They achieve the needed test scores on the NNAT and CogAT and so are in pool. Their classwork is good enough and they get the GBRS. Start a new topic if you want to explore the why, which is a different question and not really a fit for this topic.

Hi, I’m the poster asking about mostly Asians getting into aap. I posted here because I’m a parent at Colvin Run and volunteer a lot so I get to know all the kids. It’s clear the majority get into aap, which we all already know because they study for those tests as you mentioned. For example, I saw in one 3rd grade class all the kids are Asian except for 2 kids. However, I’ll be honest. I don’t see any difference or signs of “giftedness” between the aap and gen ed kids at the school. Is this specific to Colvin Run or are all the center schools like this where if you prep for the nnat and cogat and in the pool you get in? Are all the centers school filled mainly with aap kids who just had pushy parents? I’m considering moving which is why I ask.

Based only on comments that I have read here and the stereotypes that accompany said comments, Asian parents are more likely to put their kids into after school tutoring programs and stress that their kids get ahead of the class in academics. As such, their kids are more likely to score high on the NNAT and the CogAT and do better on report cards and the like. It is not so much that they are more gifted but that their parents are more focused on academics then the traditional American household.

If you look at the questions on the NNAT and CogAT, you can find samples online, you can see where any parent who reads to their kid regularly and plays math games and the like with them would do well on the NNAT and CogAT. Asian families have the reputation of sending kids to Prep Centers for these exams to insure that their kids score high enough to get into AAP.

So no, there is no genetic advantage that Asian kids have but there appears to be a cultural advantage when it comes to academics.

There are plenty of studies that show that the kids who show up to Kindergarten reading or who are far ahead in reading/math/writing tend to be at grade level by the time they hit thrid grade. The kids whose parents spent less time reading to or playing math games or the like catch up over the course of a few years of school. I suspect that you would find something similar in third grade with AAP vs Gen Ed students.

If you could make a test that people did not learn enough about to prep their kid so that their kid can crush the test.

DP. There aren't studies that show this. If you've seen any, please post them.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:NP, why are all these aap classes filled to the brim the Asian kids when its supposed to be “gifted” kids?

They achieve the needed test scores on the NNAT and CogAT and so are in pool. Their classwork is good enough and they get the GBRS. Start a new topic if you want to explore the why, which is a different question and not really a fit for this topic.

Hi, I’m the poster asking about mostly Asians getting into aap. I posted here because I’m a parent at Colvin Run and volunteer a lot so I get to know all the kids. It’s clear the majority get into aap, which we all already know because they study for those tests as you mentioned. For example, I saw in one 3rd grade class all the kids are Asian except for 2 kids. However, I’ll be honest. I don’t see any difference or signs of “giftedness” between the aap and gen ed kids at the school. Is this specific to Colvin Run or are all the center schools like this where if you prep for the nnat and cogat and in the pool you get in? Are all the centers school filled mainly with aap kids who just had pushy parents? I’m considering moving which is why I ask.

BINGO. We have a winner.

[Anonymous]

Why are more Asian kids are in AAP, and winning the chess trophies and art contests, and mastering musical instruments, and going to TJ and Ivy League schools?

Because their parents are helping their kids with their homework and making them study and practice right now.. instead of posting conspiracy theories on here..

My non-Asian son is Gen Ed. at Colvin Run and is having a terrific experience. He received pass advanced on most of his SOL’s so far and has friends in AAP that don’t treat him any differently. The principals are always helpful and kind, and his teachers have been wonderful and caring as well.
From what I see and hear, work assigned is nearly identical. If products are different, it’s a result of a higher skill set and work effort in the AAP kids, not the teachers or school culture. As a parent, you can instill that regardless of where you are.

Be helpful and build up your schools.. don’t think the worst and tear them down.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Why are more Asian kids are in AAP, and winning the chess trophies and art contests, and mastering musical instruments, and going to TJ and Ivy League schools?

Because their parents are helping their kids with their homework and making them study and practice right now.. instead of posting conspiracy theories on here..

My non-Asian son is Gen Ed. at Colvin Run and is having a terrific experience. He received pass advanced on most of his SOL’s so far and has friends in AAP that don’t treat him any differently. The principals are always helpful and kind, and his teachers have been wonderful and caring as well.
From what I see and hear, work assigned is nearly identical. If products are different, it’s a result of a higher skill set and work effort in the AAP kids, not the teachers or school culture. As a parent, you can instill that regardless of where you are.

Be helpful and build up your schools.. don’t think the worst and tear them down.

+1

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:More evidence Colvin Run polarizes it’s aap and gen ed kids/parents: for Back to School night parents of 3rd grade gen ed kids have a general presentation in the library with all the gen ed classrooms together while the aap level 4 parents go to their kids’ individual classrooms and get a closer look into their classroom and teacher. This school is rididiculous.

That happened at our school as well. Gen ed did one presentation in the gym and AAP did something on their own. It was my first taste of the divide and I hated it,

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Anonymous wrote:100% ^PP!! The principal is always talking about how Colvin Run is a role model for other FCPS and if a program can’t work here it won’t work in other FCPS schools. If he truly wanted to make a difference in all children's success and self-esteem he would advocate to eliminate the whole aap level 4 application process (and the ridiculous appeal portion) and stop labeling kids and let the teachers place the truly gifted/advanced kids in the same class without even labeling anybody as aap or gen ed. That’s how private schools do it without upsetting kids and parents. This principal tells all new parents that Cres is a public private school,but it’s far from it. Private schools also give all kids a chance to excel at deeper learning because they know most kids will meet high expectations. By dividing kids into aap and gen ed you’re basically tell a group of kids they lack potential. It’s actually very sad.

You’re forgetting that private school won’t even accept certain gen ed students. So the kids they tend to get are higher ahcieving and can do the work to begin with.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:More evidence Colvin Run polarizes it’s aap and gen ed kids/parents: for Back to School night parents of 3rd grade gen ed kids have a general presentation in the library with all the gen ed classrooms together while the aap level 4 parents go to their kids’ individual classrooms and get a closer look into their classroom and teacher. This school is rididiculous.

That happened at our school as well. Gen ed did one presentation in the gym and AAP did something on their own. It was my first taste of the divide and I hated it,

Colvin Run has one combined 3rd Grade presentation for grade level and aap, then all class parents go to their respective classrooms for specifics on how each teacher runs their room. They may have had separate presentations years ago, but not since we’ve been there.

I’m sorry you seem to have had a poor experience, but these negative comments don’t ring true for my ge child, or other parents I’ve talked with.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:100% ^PP!! The principal is always talking about how Colvin Run is a role model for other FCPS and if a program can’t work here it won’t work in other FCPS schools. If he truly wanted to make a difference in all children's success and self-esteem he would advocate to eliminate the whole aap level 4 application process (and the ridiculous appeal portion) and stop labeling kids and let the teachers place the truly gifted/advanced kids in the same class without even labeling anybody as aap or gen ed. That’s how private schools do it without upsetting kids and parents. This principal tells all new parents that Cres is a public private school,but it’s far from it. Private schools also give all kids a chance to excel at deeper learning because they know most kids will meet high expectations. By dividing kids into aap and gen ed you’re basically tell a group of kids they lack potential. It’s actually very sad.

You’re forgetting that private school won’t even accept certain gen ed students. So the kids they tend to get are higher ahcieving and can do the work to begin with.

DP - this is simply false. Lots of Gen Ed kids leave to go to privates, in large part because their parents are sick of the whole GE/AAP divide. Of course, all of that nonsense is over by high school, but we know a lot of families who left for private while their kids were in elementary due to the AAP idiocy.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:100% ^PP!! The principal is always talking about how Colvin Run is a role model for other FCPS and if a program can’t work here it won’t work in other FCPS schools. If he truly wanted to make a difference in all children's success and self-esteem he would advocate to eliminate the whole aap level 4 application process (and the ridiculous appeal portion) and stop labeling kids and let the teachers place the truly gifted/advanced kids in the same class without even labeling anybody as aap or gen ed. That’s how private schools do it without upsetting kids and parents. This principal tells all new parents that Cres is a public private school,but it’s far from it. Private schools also give all kids a chance to excel at deeper learning because they know most kids will meet high expectations. By dividing kids into aap and gen ed you’re basically tell a group of kids they lack potential. It’s actually very sad.

You’re forgetting that private school won’t even accept certain gen ed students. So the kids they tend to get are higher ahcieving and can do the work to begin with.

DP - this is simply false. Lots of Gen Ed kids leave to go to privates, in large part because their parents are sick of the whole GE/AAP divide. Of course, all of that nonsense is over by high school, but we know a lot of families who left for private while their kids were in elementary due to the AAP idiocy.

I said certain gen ed students. I meant special ed. A lot of privates won’t take them Bc they don’t have the resources to handle them.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:100% ^PP!! The principal is always talking about how Colvin Run is a role model for other FCPS and if a program can’t work here it won’t work in other FCPS schools. If he truly wanted to make a difference in all children's success and self-esteem he would advocate to eliminate the whole aap level 4 application process (and the ridiculous appeal portion) and stop labeling kids and let the teachers place the truly gifted/advanced kids in the same class without even labeling anybody as aap or gen ed. That’s how private schools do it without upsetting kids and parents. This principal tells all new parents that Cres is a public private school,but it’s far from it. Private schools also give all kids a chance to excel at deeper learning because they know most kids will meet high expectations. By dividing kids into aap and gen ed you’re basically tell a group of kids they lack potential. It’s actually very sad.

You’re forgetting that private school won’t even accept certain gen ed students. So the kids they tend to get are higher ahcieving and can do the work to begin with.

DP - this is simply false. Lots of Gen Ed kids leave to go to privates, in large part because their parents are sick of the whole GE/AAP divide. Of course, all of that nonsense is over by high school, but we know a lot of families who left for private while their kids were in elementary due to the AAP idiocy.

I said certain gen ed students. I meant special ed. A lot of privates won’t take them Bc they don’t have the resources to handle them.

Special ed is not General Ed. Many special ed kids may be integrated within Gen Ed, but they are still considered special ed.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:100% ^PP!! The principal is always talking about how Colvin Run is a role model for other FCPS and if a program can’t work here it won’t work in other FCPS schools. If he truly wanted to make a difference in all children's success and self-esteem he would advocate to eliminate the whole aap level 4 application process (and the ridiculous appeal portion) and stop labeling kids and let the teachers place the truly gifted/advanced kids in the same class without even labeling anybody as aap or gen ed. That’s how private schools do it without upsetting kids and parents. This principal tells all new parents that Cres is a public private school,but it’s far from it. Private schools also give all kids a chance to excel at deeper learning because they know most kids will meet high expectations. By dividing kids into aap and gen ed you’re basically tell a group of kids they lack potential. It’s actually very sad.

You’re forgetting that private school won’t even accept certain gen ed students. So the kids they tend to get are higher ahcieving and can do the work to begin with.

DP - this is simply false. Lots of Gen Ed kids leave to go to privates, in large part because their parents are sick of the whole GE/AAP divide. Of course, all of that nonsense is over by high school, but we know a lot of families who left for private while their kids were in elementary due to the AAP idiocy.

I said certain gen ed students. I meant special ed. A lot of privates won’t take them Bc they don’t have the resources to handle them.

Special ed is not General Ed. Many special ed kids may be integrated within Gen Ed, but they are still considered special ed.

They are in a gen ed class and are receiving special ed services. They most certainly are gen ed kids.

[Anonymous]

Either way, don’t most private schools require an entrance exam? They weed our kids who aren’t going to be able to cut it academically.