S/O Mormonism... I just don't get it...

[Anonymous]

People do that to Muslims all the time.

[Anonymous]

Excuse my misplaced hyphen. I was taking that sentence a

[Anonymous]

....another direction and changed my mind mis-typing.

[Anonymous]

MY post was in response to 21:11

[Anonymous]

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But can you accept that not every catholic is a pedophile? And therefore not every catholic deserves your abuse?

This is a crucial measure of tolerance. You can't possibly claim you're tolerant if you tar everybody with the same brush. I'm not sure who the muslim quote was directed at, but if failing to distinguish among different types of believers is wrong there, then it's wrong with catholics too.

There are plenty of catholics who are appalled by pedophilia, who are working to help victims and prevent it in the future, and they deserve your respect, not your venom. Coming on DCUM to hate them all is just wrong.

-- Not a catholic

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Why? Why broadcast pure hate and pure venom?

Why do you deliberately fail to distinguish between good people and bad, of any persuasion, belief or political stripe? Why abuse people who are nothing like the people you describe?

I'm not abusing anyone. I'm referring to an institution that I find abhorrent because they let everything I described happen. They did nothing but actively conceal it. I don't need to look for the good in that institution. I'm sorry that offends you, but the people who I know personally who were abused, well, I find that offensive too.

But can you accept that not every catholic is a pedophile? And therefore not every catholic deserves your abuse?

You really aren't reading properly, are you? I never said every Catholic was a pedophile. I said I loathe the institution that allowed mass cases of pedophilia to go unpunished and actually actively concealed. Surely I deserve the right to my opinion on that count? Considering I have been personally affected and all? And loathing an institution that I have formed an opinion on is not abusing people. You have very thin skin.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I'm a Christian. I'm not Catholic and have nothing against Catholicism, but I've posted many times before and will continue to do so about my issues with cafeteria Catholics. You are either Catholic or you are not. You either agree with church doctrine or you don't.

Mormonism is a cult.

Not a Mormon here but that makes Catholics what....? Pedophiles?

Yep, a cult and pedophiles.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I'm a Christian. I'm not Catholic and have nothing against Catholicism, but I've posted many times before and will continue to do so about my issues with cafeteria Catholics. You are either Catholic or you are not. You either agree with church doctrine or you don't.

Mormonism is a cult.

Not a Mormon here but that makes Catholics what....? Pedophiles?

Grow up! You give atheists a bad name.

I see... so bashing Mormons because their leaders had and still may have a lot of unpalatable notions is ok? But reminding the Catholics here that their leaders have attempted to deny, cover up, and then justify rampant institutionalized sexual abuse of and mind-boggling cruelty towards children, and that most of the priests perpetrating these horrible crimes seem to feel no tinge of remorse whatsoever when confronted with the evidence is not acceptable? Why?

If you are a Catholic and Mormonism bothers you that much, please explain to me how you can stand being a Catholic? How you can send your kids to Catholic schools and to church and not fear for their safety?

I was raised Catholic, wouldn't step inside a church for anything other than a wedding (and that is very reluctantly) now because I find it abhorrent. The priest in my grade school was a, shall we say, prolific pedophile, my high school religion teacher went to jail for "gross sexual imposition" and my best friend's brother in law was molested by a priest. I am posting anti-Mormon stuff because I find the whole premise and avoidance of clear reality ridiculous. If we had an anti-Catholic thread going, I would post pure venom.

Fair enough.

[Anonymous]

No, you're not reading properly. In fact, it looks like you're intentionally missing my point.

Your hate language makes no distinction between the pedophiles and catholic DCUM readers. Your are showering your venom on catholic DCUM readers who probably unanimously condemn pedophilia, and many of whom may be working for reform within the church.

Nice attempt at reinterpreting your own posts, though. Until just now, however, you never distinguished between institutions and people. What you said was, "If we had an anti-catholic thread going, I'd be spewing pure venom."

Oh, and telling me I have a think skin is just childish. Grow up. Or I'll tell you to put down the bottle that fueled your posts at 21:38 to 21:39.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I'm a Christian. I'm not Catholic and have nothing against Catholicism, but I've posted many times before and will continue to do so about my issues with cafeteria Catholics. You are either Catholic or you are not. You either agree with church doctrine or you don't.

Mormonism is a cult.

Not a Mormon here but that makes Catholics what....? Pedophiles?

Yep, a cult and pedophiles.

All catholics are pedophiles? You are a moron.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:This thread is so disturbing on many levels. Whatever happened to religious tolerance? Can't imagine a thread like this bashing the Muslim religion -- so, why, then, is ok to bash Mormans. I don't agree with many of their teachings (or the teachings of many religions) but I respect their right to their beliefs (just as I do for Muslims, Jews and Christians). Thought that most educated, DCUMers would too. Very disappointed to be so wrong.

I would tolerate all religions that stay out of my life. Mormons don't do that. Nor do a lot of the wacko Christians. If they just practiced their faith, or whatever you want to call it, fine. No sweat. But let me ask you this - what happened to the separation of church and state? I don't tolerate them, because in essence, they don't tolerate me.

Last time I checked, mormons were not bombing innocent people, crashing planes into buildings, or otherwise carrying on any type of "jihad" against the west. If we can (and should) be tolerant and understanding of the Muslim faith then, certainly, we ought to be tolerant of the Mormon faith.

Every Muslim I know personally is not like this at all. They are all kind and generous, just like all Mormons I know personally are kind and generous. But Muslims don't have a lot of political power in this country, whereas Mormons do. That is why I am less tolerant of them. Plus, their beliefs are just plain crazy (just like any other fundamentalist Christian/Muslim).

[Anonymous]

The ranting poster takes issue with the institution and anyone who claims to be a follower, parishioner or believer of that institution. Your arguments against her will not get you anywhere. I've seen her in other threads.

-- non-ranting atheist

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:The ranting poster takes issue with the institution and anyone who claims to be a follower, parishioner or believer of that institution. Your arguments against her will not get you anywhere. I've seen her in other threads.

-- non-ranting atheist

OK, thanks. Time to go read a good book....

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Why? Why broadcast pure hate and pure venom?

Why do you deliberately fail to distinguish between good people and bad, of any persuasion, belief or political stripe? Why abuse people who are nothing like the people you describe?

I'm not abusing anyone. I'm referring to an institution that I find abhorrent because they let everything I described happen. They did nothing but actively conceal it. I don't need to look for the good in that institution. I'm sorry that offends you, but the people who I know personally who were abused, well, I find that offensive too.

But can you accept that not every catholic is a pedophile? And therefore not every catholic deserves your abuse?

Not the PP you're replying to but the one who started the whole question about pedophiles (and yes, one of those "disgustingly intolerant" atheists, or whatever I was called earlier, right now rather amused that I find myself defending Mormons against blanket attacks).
Yes, I absolutely accept that a vast majority of catholics are kind, decent, ethical people who are trying to follow one of many forms of spirituality and codes of ethic. I'm fully aware that some of their leaders are outstanding human beings, in a realm far above anything I'd be capable of doing: Martin Niemoller, Gregory Boyle, Mother Teresa... the list goes on.

However, I seriously question whether that fundamental decency is an outgrowth of their religion, or simply the fact that they are fundamentally good people. I honestly believe it has nothing to do with the former and everything with the latter, as it does with anyone of any religious persuasion, or lack thereof.

I can also tell you that I have never yet met a Mormon I didn't like, although I'm as mystified by their faith as I am by all the other ones.

[Anonymous]

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Yes, I absolutely accept that a vast majority of catholics are kind, decent, ethical people who are trying to follow one of many forms of spirituality and codes of ethic. I'm fully aware that some of their leaders are outstanding human beings, in a realm far above anything I'd be capable of doing: Martin Niemoller, Gregory Boyle, Mother Teresa... the list goes on.

However, I seriously question whether that fundamental decency is an outgrowth of their religion, or simply the fact that they are fundamentally good people. I honestly believe it has nothing to do with the former and everything with the latter, as it does with anyone of any religious persuasion, or lack thereof.

You do realize you sound bigoted, right? Because you have no factual basis for this weasely statement, a weasely statement that lets you go on thinking what you want to think.