FCPS Skyview Boundary Revised Scenario 1 / 2

[Anonymous]

Yes, the direction to "freeze" walkers was once again the SB meddling in a logical process and tying the consultants hands.

That's why Brookfield is now a split feeder. The consultants moved the half of Brookfield that can't walk to CHS to Westfield. The areas they moved were a balance of SES until Walney Oaks bribed someone to edit the maps.

It seems they were told by FCPS not to move Lees Corner, and they were also told by Seema Dixit exactly what area from CVHS they could move. That left them with Brookfield.

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Anonymous wrote:Can someone please explain why so many in crossfield are so laser focused on staying Oakton? I would MUCH prefer my teen having a close option like Skyview rather than the outrageously long commute to Oakton.

They paid oakton price to buy the house in oakton hs. They did not mind the commute to oakton when they bought the house and still do not mind that. For the people who were willing to pay the extra to buy in oakton hs, going to a better school out weighs 10+ minutes of extra commute time. As simple as that.

I actually do not understand why people who hates commute to oakton so much would buy in crossfield in the first place.

This right here is the answer. We bought houses in the Oakton district and absolutely knew the distance from our neighborhoods to the high school.

While I strongly prefer Oakton HS, my biggest concern is that scenario 1 is absolutely bananas in the way the board is proposing to split just a few Crossfield neighborhoods and send that handful of kids to Carson/Skyview. So my kids will have spent 7+ years with their peers at Crossfield, most of their class would move onto Franklin/Oakton, and then they would start MS knowing maybe 5 kids at a school of 1,400 (Carson). The math isn't mathing, and there is a plethora of research that shows what a terrible idea this is from a mental health standpoint.

There's nothing compelling about this. Everyone knows where their zoned high school is when they purchase a house and they also know that can be changed at any time. It makes NO sense to send Herndon kids all the way to Vienna to Oakton when there are going to be 800 empty seats at Westfield and 400 empty seats at South Lakes.

I find students' mental health pretty compelling, but to each their own.

Rezoning your house from Oakton to a close by high school has nothing to do with your HS kids mental health, since they will be grandfathered into Oakton.
More sleep will be great for future kids' mental health though.

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Anonymous wrote:Its absolutely insane that they did not move those Herndon kids over to a closer school and left them at Oakton in both scenarios.

Literally one of the reasons they bought the school was to reduce overcrowding at *OAKTON* and to keep those kids from having to go such a long way to school.

Now both scenarios have no one moving out of Oakton, but leaving South Lakes and Westfield without enough students.

It makes no sense.

A school in the perfect location falls into their lap and they still manage to make a complete disaster out of it.

And the self-dealing by Seema Dixit and apparently, Kyle McDaniel, needs to be reviewed by an FCPS ethics office.

Actually, FCPS first said they bought the school to reduce overcrowding at Centreville, Chantilly, and Westfields.

In the initial October meetings when they started the boundary conversations, Oakton wasn't overcrowded. Now, magically, it is. Does anyone else find that fascinating?

Its "Westfield". How do you not know the name of a school everyone has been discussing for months?

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Anonymous wrote:Its absolutely insane that they did not move those Herndon kids over to a closer school and left them at Oakton in both scenarios.

Literally one of the reasons they bought the school was to reduce overcrowding at *OAKTON* and to keep those kids from having to go such a long way to school.

Now both scenarios have no one moving out of Oakton, but leaving South Lakes and Westfield without enough students.

It makes no sense.

A school in the perfect location falls into their lap and they still manage to make a complete disaster out of it.

And the self-dealing by Seema Dixit and apparently, Kyle McDaniel, needs to be reviewed by an FCPS ethics office.

Actually, FCPS first said they bought the school to reduce overcrowding at Centreville, Chantilly, and Westfields.

In the initial October meetings when they started the boundary conversations, Oakton wasn't overcrowded. Now, magically, it is. Does anyone else find that fascinating?

Sounds like they just forgot to mention Oakton, or misspoke, since Oakton has been overcrowded all along and Westfield has been under capacity for several years.

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Anonymous wrote:Can someone please explain why so many in crossfield are so laser focused on staying Oakton? I would MUCH prefer my teen having a close option like Skyview rather than the outrageously long commute to Oakton.

They paid oakton price to buy the house in oakton hs. They did not mind the commute to oakton when they bought the house and still do not mind that. For the people who were willing to pay the extra to buy in oakton hs, going to a better school out weighs 10+ minutes of extra commute time. As simple as that.

I actually do not understand why people who hates commute to oakton so much would buy in crossfield in the first place.

This right here is the answer. We bought houses in the Oakton district and absolutely knew the distance from our neighborhoods to the high school.

While I strongly prefer Oakton HS, my biggest concern is that scenario 1 is absolutely bananas in the way the board is proposing to split just a few Crossfield neighborhoods and send that handful of kids to Carson/Skyview. So my kids will have spent 7+ years with their peers at Crossfield, most of their class would move onto Franklin/Oakton, and then they would start MS knowing maybe 5 kids at a school of 1,400 (Carson). The math isn't mathing, and there is a plethora of research that shows what a terrible idea this is from a mental health standpoint.

There's nothing compelling about this. Everyone knows where their zoned high school is when they purchase a house and they also know that can be changed at any time. It makes NO sense to send Herndon kids all the way to Vienna to Oakton when there are going to be 800 empty seats at Westfield and 400 empty seats at South Lakes.

I find students' mental health pretty compelling, but to each their own.

Rezoning your house from Oakton to a close by high school has nothing to do with your HS kids mental health, since they will be grandfathered into Oakton.
More sleep will be great for future kids' mental health though.

Many of us don't have high schoolers who will be grandfathered anywhere, which is why we're concerned. My kids are in elementary and middle school.

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Anonymous wrote:Its absolutely insane that they did not move those Herndon kids over to a closer school and left them at Oakton in both scenarios.

Literally one of the reasons they bought the school was to reduce overcrowding at *OAKTON* and to keep those kids from having to go such a long way to school.

Now both scenarios have no one moving out of Oakton, but leaving South Lakes and Westfield without enough students.

It makes no sense.

A school in the perfect location falls into their lap and they still manage to make a complete disaster out of it.

And the self-dealing by Seema Dixit and apparently, Kyle McDaniel, needs to be reviewed by an FCPS ethics office.

Actually, FCPS first said they bought the school to reduce overcrowding at Centreville, Chantilly, and Westfields.

In the initial October meetings when they started the boundary conversations, Oakton wasn't overcrowded. Now, magically, it is. Does anyone else find that fascinating?

I"m not sure why that's "fascinating". Either a school is overcrowded, or it isn't. This is a knowable fact.

Oakton is overcrowded right now, at 103% capacity. And it is overcrowded in both potential scenarios, which is ridiculous given how close some kids zoned for Oakton live to high schools projected to have hundreds of empty seats.

[Anonymous]

The next comprehensive boundary project is definitely going to be interesting when you look at where they are leaving some of these high schools.

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Anonymous wrote:Can someone please explain why so many in crossfield are so laser focused on staying Oakton? I would MUCH prefer my teen having a close option like Skyview rather than the outrageously long commute to Oakton.

They paid oakton price to buy the house in oakton hs. They did not mind the commute to oakton when they bought the house and still do not mind that. For the people who were willing to pay the extra to buy in oakton hs, going to a better school out weighs 10+ minutes of extra commute time. As simple as that.

I actually do not understand why people who hates commute to oakton so much would buy in crossfield in the first place.

This right here is the answer. We bought houses in the Oakton district and absolutely knew the distance from our neighborhoods to the high school.

While I strongly prefer Oakton HS, my biggest concern is that scenario 1 is absolutely bananas in the way the board is proposing to split just a few Crossfield neighborhoods and send that handful of kids to Carson/Skyview. So my kids will have spent 7+ years with their peers at Crossfield, most of their class would move onto Franklin/Oakton, and then they would start MS knowing maybe 5 kids at a school of 1,400 (Carson). The math isn't mathing, and there is a plethora of research that shows what a terrible idea this is from a mental health standpoint.

There's nothing compelling about this. Everyone knows where their zoned high school is when they purchase a house and they also know that can be changed at any time. It makes NO sense to send Herndon kids all the way to Vienna to Oakton when there are going to be 800 empty seats at Westfield and 400 empty seats at South Lakes.

I find students' mental health pretty compelling, but to each their own.

Rezoning your house from Oakton to a close by high school has nothing to do with your HS kids mental health, since they will be grandfathered into Oakton.
More sleep will be great for future kids' mental health though.

Many of us don't have high schoolers who will be grandfathered anywhere, which is why we're concerned. My kids are in elementary and middle school.

How does rezoning the high school damage your elementary schoolers mental health?

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Anonymous wrote:Can someone please explain why so many in crossfield are so laser focused on staying Oakton? I would MUCH prefer my teen having a close option like Skyview rather than the outrageously long commute to Oakton.

They paid oakton price to buy the house in oakton hs. They did not mind the commute to oakton when they bought the house and still do not mind that. For the people who were willing to pay the extra to buy in oakton hs, going to a better school out weighs 10+ minutes of extra commute time. As simple as that.

I actually do not understand why people who hates commute to oakton so much would buy in crossfield in the first place.

This right here is the answer. We bought houses in the Oakton district and absolutely knew the distance from our neighborhoods to the high school.

While I strongly prefer Oakton HS, my biggest concern is that scenario 1 is absolutely bananas in the way the board is proposing to split just a few Crossfield neighborhoods and send that handful of kids to Carson/Skyview. So my kids will have spent 7+ years with their peers at Crossfield, most of their class would move onto Franklin/Oakton, and then they would start MS knowing maybe 5 kids at a school of 1,400 (Carson). The math isn't mathing, and there is a plethora of research that shows what a terrible idea this is from a mental health standpoint.

There's nothing compelling about this. Everyone knows where their zoned high school is when they purchase a house and they also know that can be changed at any time. It makes NO sense to send Herndon kids all the way to Vienna to Oakton when there are going to be 800 empty seats at Westfield and 400 empty seats at South Lakes.

I find students' mental health pretty compelling, but to each their own.

Rezoning your house from Oakton to a close by high school has nothing to do with your HS kids mental health, since they will be grandfathered into Oakton.
More sleep will be great for future kids' mental health though.

Many of us don't have high schoolers who will be grandfathered anywhere, which is why we're concerned. My kids are in elementary and middle school.

Then they will go to whatever middle and high school they go to with the rest of your neighbors.

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Anonymous wrote:Its absolutely insane that they did not move those Herndon kids over to a closer school and left them at Oakton in both scenarios.

Literally one of the reasons they bought the school was to reduce overcrowding at *OAKTON* and to keep those kids from having to go such a long way to school.

Now both scenarios have no one moving out of Oakton, but leaving South Lakes and Westfield without enough students.

It makes no sense.

A school in the perfect location falls into their lap and they still manage to make a complete disaster out of it.

And the self-dealing by Seema Dixit and apparently, Kyle McDaniel, needs to be reviewed by an FCPS ethics office.

The first revised scenario does move kids out of Oakton, just not all of Crossfield.

I’d check my facts more carefully next time before composing such a screed.

By the way, there’s no requirement for School Board members to recuse themselves from decisions affecting schools to which they are zoned. In the past, School Board members like Stu Gibson and Elaine Tholen were visibly involved in championing boundary changes that benefited their own schools (South Lakes and Langley). If you don’t like it, your recourse is to vote her out next year because the chances of an ethics inquiry are nil.

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Anonymous wrote:Can someone please explain why so many in crossfield are so laser focused on staying Oakton? I would MUCH prefer my teen having a close option like Skyview rather than the outrageously long commute to Oakton.

They paid oakton price to buy the house in oakton hs. They did not mind the commute to oakton when they bought the house and still do not mind that. For the people who were willing to pay the extra to buy in oakton hs, going to a better school out weighs 10+ minutes of extra commute time. As simple as that.

I actually do not understand why people who hates commute to oakton so much would buy in crossfield in the first place.

This right here is the answer. We bought houses in the Oakton district and absolutely knew the distance from our neighborhoods to the high school.

While I strongly prefer Oakton HS, my biggest concern is that scenario 1 is absolutely bananas in the way the board is proposing to split just a few Crossfield neighborhoods and send that handful of kids to Carson/Skyview. So my kids will have spent 7+ years with their peers at Crossfield, most of their class would move onto Franklin/Oakton, and then they would start MS knowing maybe 5 kids at a school of 1,400 (Carson). The math isn't mathing, and there is a plethora of research that shows what a terrible idea this is from a mental health standpoint.

There's nothing compelling about this. Everyone knows where their zoned high school is when they purchase a house and they also know that can be changed at any time. It makes NO sense to send Herndon kids all the way to Vienna to Oakton when there are going to be 800 empty seats at Westfield and 400 empty seats at South Lakes.

I find students' mental health pretty compelling, but to each their own.

DP. It is compelling, perhaps compelling enough for Crossfield to be moved to another HS that can accommodate all of them. Like SLHS.

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Anonymous wrote:Its absolutely insane that they did not move those Herndon kids over to a closer school and left them at Oakton in both scenarios.

Literally one of the reasons they bought the school was to reduce overcrowding at *OAKTON* and to keep those kids from having to go such a long way to school.

Now both scenarios have no one moving out of Oakton, but leaving South Lakes and Westfield without enough students.

It makes no sense.

A school in the perfect location falls into their lap and they still manage to make a complete disaster out of it.

And the self-dealing by Seema Dixit and apparently, Kyle McDaniel, needs to be reviewed by an FCPS ethics office.

The first revised scenario does move kids out of Oakton, just not all of Crossfield.

I’d check my facts more carefully next time before composing such a screed.

By the way, there’s no requirement for School Board members to recuse themselves from decisions affecting schools to which they are zoned. In the past, School Board members like Stu Gibson and Elaine Tholen were visibly involved in championing boundary changes that benefited their own schools (South Lakes and Langley). If you don’t like it, your recourse is to vote her out next year because the chances of an ethics inquiry are nil.

However, people seem to have no problem suggesting that Lee's Corner which is on Chantilly's doorstep to Westfield--which is not close in any way.

What I don't understand is why, if they can make Brookfield such an egregious split feeder (picking winners and losers) why can't they do the same with Bull Run? There are people at Bull Run who live in neighborhoods that border Westfield schools. That would make sense. And, yes, I know they picked one small area of Bull Run to add to Westfield--an area that is one of the closer ones to Centreville.

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Anonymous wrote:Can someone please explain why so many in crossfield are so laser focused on staying Oakton? I would MUCH prefer my teen having a close option like Skyview rather than the outrageously long commute to Oakton.

They paid oakton price to buy the house in oakton hs. They did not mind the commute to oakton when they bought the house and still do not mind that. For the people who were willing to pay the extra to buy in oakton hs, going to a better school out weighs 10+ minutes of extra commute time. As simple as that.

I actually do not understand why people who hates commute to oakton so much would buy in crossfield in the first place.

This right here is the answer. We bought houses in the Oakton district and absolutely knew the distance from our neighborhoods to the high school.

While I strongly prefer Oakton HS, my biggest concern is that scenario 1 is absolutely bananas in the way the board is proposing to split just a few Crossfield neighborhoods and send that handful of kids to Carson/Skyview. So my kids will have spent 7+ years with their peers at Crossfield, most of their class would move onto Franklin/Oakton, and then they would start MS knowing maybe 5 kids at a school of 1,400 (Carson). The math isn't mathing, and there is a plethora of research that shows what a terrible idea this is from a mental health standpoint.

There's nothing compelling about this. Everyone knows where their zoned high school is when they purchase a house and they also know that can be changed at any time. It makes NO sense to send Herndon kids all the way to Vienna to Oakton when there are going to be 800 empty seats at Westfield and 400 empty seats at South Lakes.

I find students' mental health pretty compelling, but to each their own.

DP. It is compelling, perhaps compelling enough for Crossfield to be moved to another HS that can accommodate all of them. Like SLHS.

Fair, although that is not at all what's being proposed in scenario 1.

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Anonymous wrote:Can someone please explain why so many in crossfield are so laser focused on staying Oakton? I would MUCH prefer my teen having a close option like Skyview rather than the outrageously long commute to Oakton.

They paid oakton price to buy the house in oakton hs. They did not mind the commute to oakton when they bought the house and still do not mind that. For the people who were willing to pay the extra to buy in oakton hs, going to a better school out weighs 10+ minutes of extra commute time. As simple as that.

I actually do not understand why people who hates commute to oakton so much would buy in crossfield in the first place.

This right here is the answer. We bought houses in the Oakton district and absolutely knew the distance from our neighborhoods to the high school.

While I strongly prefer Oakton HS, my biggest concern is that scenario 1 is absolutely bananas in the way the board is proposing to split just a few Crossfield neighborhoods and send that handful of kids to Carson/Skyview. So my kids will have spent 7+ years with their peers at Crossfield, most of their class would move onto Franklin/Oakton, and then they would start MS knowing maybe 5 kids at a school of 1,400 (Carson). The math isn't mathing, and there is a plethora of research that shows what a terrible idea this is from a mental health standpoint.

Speaking from experience, I don’t think it’s so bad to be part of a small group moving to a middle school because kids are coming from so many different ES feeders and are open to making new friends. It’s different if you’re part of a small group moving to a high school because friend groups are more fixed by that age.

The consultants would have fixed this by adjusting ES boundaries but they were told to leave ES boundaries alone. Be careful what you ask for.

In any event, it sounds like you should be advocating for more of Crossfield to move to Skyview, not necessarily less.

[Anonymous]

Since some Crossfield kids already go to Hughes and South Lakes, why not just increase that area instead of splitting Crossfield into 3 schools?