Hamas’ Systematic Rapes of Israelis to Inflict Maximum Suffering

[Anonymous]

Why is it you Zs care more about fake beheaded babies and fake mass rape only if you can accuse Palestinians of doing it?

Meanwhile...look, I found a rape victim who was at Nova. Only she was raped after by an Israeli musician (to go along w/ the hostage who was raped by her personal trainer).

Oh, and I made sure it was a genocidal monster-approved source:

Yuval Wilner named as suspect in two highly publicized rape cases

https://www.timesofisrael.com/liveblog_entry/yuval-wilner-named-as-suspect-in-two-highly-publicized-rape-cases/

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I haven’t read the posts. I believe what is happening in Gaza is a genocide. I believe the IDF have committed horrific atrocities. I also believe Oct 7 was mass murder by Hamas. I’m pretty certain Hamas also has committed brutal crimes against prisoners. Why can’t both sides acknowledge that each are guilty of awful, awful things, including (sadly) rape?

The posters outraged by Israel consistently, repeatedly acknowledge that Hamas also deserves condemnation. They acknowledge evil on both sides, but believe that Israel is disproportionally to blame for the conflict.

The posters who refuse to acknowledge Israel’s horrific policies and actions won’t return the favor. They will never concede evil on both sides, sidestepping real accountability by pretending that the Israeli evil is limited to a few leaders.

That’s it, in a nutshell.

The latter think that, no matter what, Israel is ALWAYS justified in what they do. Or that what they do is unavoidable. And they also think that, no matter what, the Palestinians are NEVER justified in what they do.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I haven’t read the posts. I believe what is happening in Gaza is a genocide. I believe the IDF have committed horrific atrocities. I also believe Oct 7 was mass murder by Hamas. I’m pretty certain Hamas also has committed brutal crimes against prisoners. Why can’t both sides acknowledge that each are guilty of awful, awful things, including (sadly) rape?

The posters outraged by Israel consistently, repeatedly acknowledge that Hamas also deserves condemnation. They acknowledge evil on both sides, but believe that Israel is disproportionally to blame for the conflict.

The posters who refuse to acknowledge Israel’s horrific policies and actions won’t return the favor. They will never concede evil on both sides, sidestepping real accountability by pretending that the Israeli evil is limited to a few leaders.

That’s it, in a nutshell.

The latter think that, no matter what, Israel is ALWAYS justified in what they do. Or that what they do is unavoidable. And they also think that, no matter what, the Palestinians are NEVER justified in what they do.

DP. You must be reading a different DCUM than I am. I just see repeated denials that Hamas systematically raped, tortured, and executed women and children on 10/7 here from the Palestinian supporters. I rarely see any acknowledgment of atrocities by Hamas.

I am fully willing to say that what is happening in Gaza is a genocide, that the IDF has and continues to commit atrocities, that the US should not be supporting a genocidal state. But I would like to see some honesty from the Palestinian supporters too about the atrocities committed on the Palestinian side, and I rarely see that on DCUM. I don’t see how we move forward at all here with supporters on both sides just outright lying all the time.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Hardly a cultist, or in any way, shape or form a Hamas supporter, but the answer to your question should be pretty obvious: every other group of violent, raiding men was not facing an adversary that is possessed of LITERALLY an insurmountable military advantage.

The suggestion that these Hamas scumbags were not running and gunning, but instead taking their time and systematically raping people and engaging in acts that would cause them to remain in Israel for longer periods of time (and thus increase greatly their odds of being caught - and killed on the spot) … I mean, use your goddamned brain already. This was a get in, get out operation but you keep expecting us to believe that these POS terrorists were lollygagging instead of running and gunning? TFOH.

Rape is about power dynamics. Hamas has zero power in the shadow of the IDF. It’s the exact same reason why the IDF rapes and SAs detainees, and frankly, the exact same reason why the Israeli culture is so welcoming of child molesters and its rape culture.

That’s why - not because Hamas has more morality, but because they lacked the freedom of time on the clock to do what you keep accusing them of, what no credible evidence supports, and what has been debunked over and over again. If they had more time, would they have done so? Who knows. But they didn’t have time for anything beyond what would have been random and situational.

They took a lot of young women back to Gaza on motorcycles. Are you saying Hamas were gentleman kidnappers? They just locked the women in dark tunnels but didn't venture to rape them? Or are you saying Hamas was so bloodthirsty they were too busy killing to rape? You people are absolutely insane, no wonder employers fire you and colleges bar you from speaking.

Of course they weren’t gentlemen kidnappers. Very likely, they were doing the same thing done to Palestinian women and men detained by Israeli security forces. Israel knows exactly what Hamas may have done : the same things they have

Sure. But the pro-Hamas posters here are taking the position that Hamas did not systematically rape, tortured, and kill anyone. Plus we also have the it-would-be-hilarious-if-it-weren’t-so-grotesque poster who is claiming that Hamas didn’t have the time in their busy, busy killing schedule of 10/7 to also rape and torture the women and children.

The exact point is that both the sides of this conflict are amoral and brutal, but their supporters on whatever side can’t admit that, and lie about the brutality of what their side does. It’s ironic because their supporters do more to convince people of how evil their side is than the opposite.

We're not Pro-Hamas posters, you amateur. We're ppl actually educated on the history of all of this. You think kidnapping means RAPE? Oh, right, the goal posts always move when it's not Israel. Amazing how Israel can rape on camera, have a history of it and you still act like you can say the same about Hamas. THERE IS NO EVIDENCE OF YOUR CLAIMS ABOUT HAMAS. You're childish in thinking that if we don't go along w/ that lie, it's a defense of what Hamas did.

Tell me, why did Israel stop allowing released hostages to give interviews? If you actually gave a damn, you'd watch all of the women who were interviewed after their release. The overwhelming majority said they were treated well and not one said they were raped. In fact, that one with inflated lips got raped after she was released by her fellow Israeli, but God forbid you ever stop defending Israel savagery and rape culture.

Wait - are you the lunatic who claimed the IDF actually trained DOGS to rape prisoners?? You know that is anatomically impossible, right? You and your constant stream of BS are sickening. Crawl back in your hole.
DP

DP So are you denying anything in the article? Does not seem like you are.

I'm another DP. Why are you deflecting from the question, above? Do you actually believe dogs were used to rape prisoners in Israeli jails? Because if you do, I have nothing further to discuss with you. There's simply no point in arguing with someone so completely brainwashed by propaganda.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:Hardly a cultist, or in any way, shape or form a Hamas supporter, but the answer to your question should be pretty obvious: every other group of violent, raiding men was not facing an adversary that is possessed of LITERALLY an insurmountable military advantage.

The suggestion that these Hamas scumbags were not running and gunning, but instead taking their time and systematically raping people and engaging in acts that would cause them to remain in Israel for longer periods of time (and thus increase greatly their odds of being caught - and killed on the spot) … I mean, use your goddamned brain already. This was a get in, get out operation but you keep expecting us to believe that these POS terrorists were lollygagging instead of running and gunning? TFOH.

Rape is about power dynamics. Hamas has zero power in the shadow of the IDF. It’s the exact same reason why the IDF rapes and SAs detainees, and frankly, the exact same reason why the Israeli culture is so welcoming of child molesters and its rape culture.

That’s why - not because Hamas has more morality, but because they lacked the freedom of time on the clock to do what you keep accusing them of, what no credible evidence supports, and what has been debunked over and over again. If they had more time, would they have done so? Who knows. But they didn’t have time for anything beyond what would have been random and situational.

They took a lot of young women back to Gaza on motorcycles. Are you saying Hamas were gentleman kidnappers? They just locked the women in dark tunnels but didn't venture to rape them? Or are you saying Hamas was so bloodthirsty they were too busy killing to rape? You people are absolutely insane, no wonder employers fire you and colleges bar you from speaking.

Of course they weren’t gentlemen kidnappers. Very likely, they were doing the same thing done to Palestinian women and men detained by Israeli security forces. Israel knows exactly what Hamas may have done : the same things they have

Sure. But the pro-Hamas posters here are taking the position that Hamas did not systematically rape, tortured, and kill anyone. Plus we also have the it-would-be-hilarious-if-it-weren’t-so-grotesque poster who is claiming that Hamas didn’t have the time in their busy, busy killing schedule of 10/7 to also rape and torture the women and children.

The exact point is that both the sides of this conflict are amoral and brutal, but their supporters on whatever side can’t admit that, and lie about the brutality of what their side does. It’s ironic because their supporters do more to convince people of how evil their side is than the opposite.

We're not Pro-Hamas posters, you amateur. We're ppl actually educated on the history of all of this. You think kidnapping means RAPE? Oh, right, the goal posts always move when it's not Israel. Amazing how Israel can rape on camera, have a history of it and you still act like you can say the same about Hamas. THERE IS NO EVIDENCE OF YOUR CLAIMS ABOUT HAMAS. You're childish in thinking that if we don't go along w/ that lie, it's a defense of what Hamas did.

Tell me, why did Israel stop allowing released hostages to give interviews? If you actually gave a damn, you'd watch all of the women who were interviewed after their release. The overwhelming majority said they were treated well and not one said they were raped. In fact, that one with inflated lips got raped after she was released by her fellow Israeli, but God forbid you ever stop defending Israel savagery and rape culture.

Wait - are you the lunatic who claimed the IDF actually trained DOGS to rape prisoners?? You know that is anatomically impossible, right? You and your constant stream of BS are sickening. Crawl back in your hole.
DP

If it's anatomically not possible then why do Holocaust and Pinochet's Dirty War survivors say it happened to them? Are they lying?

Exactly what sources are you using that make this claim? Because I've never, ever read anything of the sort.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Clearly, every word of this needs to be posted. Those of you denying the truth that Hamas are absolute monsters should be hanging your heads in shame.

Reading “Silenced No More,” the new report by the Civil Commission on October 7th Crimes by Hamas Against Women and Children, we were transported back to Oct. 27, 2023, and a screening of the raw footage of Hamas’s atrocities. The mouths of journalists were agape, but time dulls horrific reality.

The new report is a catalogue, for memory’s sake, of Hamas depravity. Testimony from site after site attests to rape and assault. Screams and pleas. Gunshots to the face and genitals. Mutilation. Burning. Bodies naked, legs spread. Grotesque scenes staged. All forming an evidentiary record, the result of more than 10,000 photos and video segments and more than 430 interviews, testimonies and meetings with survivors, witnesses and experts.

“I saw them raping her,” says Raz Cohen, who escaped the Nova Music Festival where 396 people were slaughtered. “Then they murdered her. And then they raped her again.”

Eden Wessely, who came to Nova to rescue a friend, found and filmed a naked, burned body. “Her dress was pulled up, and she wasn’t wearing underwear, not because it burned, because there was no trace. . . . Her legs were spread. Her genitals were exposed.” A review by forensic pathologists confirmed these details.

Yoni Saadon recounts another horror: “She fell to the ground, shot in the head, and I pulled her body over me and smeared her blood on me so it would look as if I was dead too. . . . I will never forget her face. Every night I wake to it and apologize to her, saying ‘I’m sorry.’” Later he saw “a beautiful woman with the face of an angel and 8 or 10 fighters beating and raping her.” The last one shot her in the head. Each example here is of a civilian non-combatant.

A male says he was gang-raped at the Nova site, providing medical records and a detailed account: “They laughed, they were really pleased, as if I was their sex doll.” The Hamas invaders had been given operational materials including Arabic-to-Hebrew phrase lists such as “take off your pants/take your clothes off,” “lie down” and “spread your legs.” The planned sexual degradation speaks to years of Palestinian propaganda that treats Jews as sub-human.

Is this the same Raz Cohen who has been in the news lately? Total liar, no?

Also although I don’t doubt Hamas acted horrifically and should be charged with war crimes, I believe much of the rape claims have been thoroughly debunked, including by the families of some of the alleged rape victims.

https://www.yesmagazine.org/social-justice/2024/03/05/israel-hamas-oct7-report-gaza

Different Raz Cohen. It's like John Smith in Israel.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I haven’t read the posts. I believe what is happening in Gaza is a genocide. I believe the IDF have committed horrific atrocities. I also believe Oct 7 was mass murder by Hamas. I’m pretty certain Hamas also has committed brutal crimes against prisoners. Why can’t both sides acknowledge that each are guilty of awful, awful things, including (sadly) rape?

The posters outraged by Israel consistently, repeatedly acknowledge that Hamas also deserves condemnation. They acknowledge evil on both sides, but believe that Israel is disproportionally to blame for the conflict.

The posters who refuse to acknowledge Israel’s horrific policies and actions won’t return the favor. They will never concede evil on both sides, sidestepping real accountability by pretending that the Israeli evil is limited to a few leaders.

That’s it, in a nutshell.

The latter think that, no matter what, Israel is ALWAYS justified in what they do. Or that what they do is unavoidable. And they also think that, no matter what, the Palestinians are NEVER justified in what they do.

DP. You must be reading a different DCUM than I am. I just see repeated denials that Hamas systematically raped, tortured, and executed women and children on 10/7 here from the Palestinian supporters. I rarely see any acknowledgment of atrocities by Hamas.

I am fully willing to say that what is happening in Gaza is a genocide, that the IDF has and continues to commit atrocities, that the US should not be supporting a genocidal state. But I would like to see some honesty from the Palestinian supporters too about the atrocities committed on the Palestinian side, and I rarely see that on DCUM. I don’t see how we move forward at all here with supporters on both sides just outright lying all the time.

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You are correct. Not once have I seen any of the posters who repeat the same song and dance about "Israel's genocidal monsters/demons/ghouls" admit that Hamas are ALSO "monsters/demons/ghouls" who have committed terrible atrocities. Not one time. And that goes tenfold for the one particular absolutely unhinged pro-Palestinian poster who rants about the same vile things in every post. She has NEVER admitted that Hamas are disgusting terrorists and in fact, flatly denies that they did anything wrong at all. Pretty sick.

[Anonymous]

Hamas used sexual violence as "part of a deliberate genocidal strategy" during the 7 October 2023 attack on Israel, an all-women group of Israeli legal and gender experts allege in a new report calling for justice.

The Dinah Project says the report is based on a review of evidence including first-hand testimony from a survivor of an attempted rape and 15 former hostages held in Gaza, as well as accounts from witnesses to sexual assaults.

It lays out what the group describes as "a legal blueprint for prosecuting these crimes, even when direct attribution to individual perpetrators is impossible".

Hamas has denied its forces committed sexual violence against women or mistreated female hostages.

However, a UN mission concluded in March 2024 that there were "reasonable grounds" to believe that conflict-related sexual violence occurred during the 7 October attack in multiple locations, including rape and gang rape, and that there was "convincing information" that hostages had been subjected to sexual violence, including rape and sexualised torture.

And before they were assassinated by Israel, three top Hamas leaders were also accused by the International Criminal Court's prosecutor of the crimes against humanity of rape and other forms of sexual violence, in addition to murder, extermination and torture.

https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c1mz8gxzg82o

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Hamas used sexual violence as "part of a deliberate genocidal strategy" during the 7 October 2023 attack on Israel, an all-women group of Israeli legal and gender experts allege in a new report calling for justice.

The Dinah Project says the report is based on a review of evidence including first-hand testimony from a survivor of an attempted rape and 15 former hostages held in Gaza, as well as accounts from witnesses to sexual assaults.

It lays out what the group describes as "a legal blueprint for prosecuting these crimes, even when direct attribution to individual perpetrators is impossible".

Hamas has denied its forces committed sexual violence against women or mistreated female hostages.

However, a UN mission concluded in March 2024 that there were "reasonable grounds" to believe that conflict-related sexual violence occurred during the 7 October attack in multiple locations, including rape and gang rape, and that there was "convincing information" that hostages had been subjected to sexual violence, including rape and sexualised torture.

And before they were assassinated by Israel, three top Hamas leaders were also accused by the International Criminal Court's prosecutor of the crimes against humanity of rape and other forms of sexual violence, in addition to murder, extermination and torture.

https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c1mz8gxzg82o

This is really very suspect. The headline is a report on what an Israeli org reports. This is hardly the gotcha you’re claiming

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I haven’t read the posts. I believe what is happening in Gaza is a genocide. I believe the IDF have committed horrific atrocities. I also believe Oct 7 was mass murder by Hamas. I’m pretty certain Hamas also has committed brutal crimes against prisoners. Why can’t both sides acknowledge that each are guilty of awful, awful things, including (sadly) rape?

The posters outraged by Israel consistently, repeatedly acknowledge that Hamas also deserves condemnation. They acknowledge evil on both sides, but believe that Israel is disproportionally to blame for the conflict.

The posters who refuse to acknowledge Israel’s horrific policies and actions won’t return the favor. They will never concede evil on both sides, sidestepping real accountability by pretending that the Israeli evil is limited to a few leaders.

That’s it, in a nutshell.

The latter think that, no matter what, Israel is ALWAYS justified in what they do. Or that what they do is unavoidable. And they also think that, no matter what, the Palestinians are NEVER justified in what they do.

DP. You must be reading a different DCUM than I am. I just see repeated denials that Hamas systematically raped, tortured, and executed women and children on 10/7 here from the Palestinian supporters. I rarely see any acknowledgment of atrocities by Hamas.

I am fully willing to say that what is happening in Gaza is a genocide, that the IDF has and continues to commit atrocities, that the US should not be supporting a genocidal state. But I would like to see some honesty from the Palestinian supporters too about the atrocities committed on the Palestinian side, and I rarely see that on DCUM. I don’t see how we move forward at all here with supporters on both sides just outright lying all the time.

+ a million
You are correct. Not once have I seen any of the posters who repeat the same song and dance about "Israel's genocidal monsters/demons/ghouls" admit that Hamas are ALSO "monsters/demons/ghouls" who have committed terrible atrocities. Not one time. And that goes tenfold for the one particular absolutely unhinged pro-Palestinian poster who rants about the same vile things in every post. She has NEVER admitted that Hamas are disgusting terrorists and in fact, flatly denies that they did anything wrong at all. Pretty sick.

Yes, this is correct.

That one poster is particularly insane. Of course she has her counterparts from the Zionist side who also deny atrocities, and they’re also sick in the head. They are all alike more than different.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I haven’t read the posts. I believe what is happening in Gaza is a genocide. I believe the IDF have committed horrific atrocities. I also believe Oct 7 was mass murder by Hamas. I’m pretty certain Hamas also has committed brutal crimes against prisoners. Why can’t both sides acknowledge that each are guilty of awful, awful things, including (sadly) rape?

The posters outraged by Israel consistently, repeatedly acknowledge that Hamas also deserves condemnation. They acknowledge evil on both sides, but believe that Israel is disproportionally to blame for the conflict.

The posters who refuse to acknowledge Israel’s horrific policies and actions won’t return the favor. They will never concede evil on both sides, sidestepping real accountability by pretending that the Israeli evil is limited to a few leaders.

That’s it, in a nutshell.

The latter think that, no matter what, Israel is ALWAYS justified in what they do. Or that what they do is unavoidable. And they also think that, no matter what, the Palestinians are NEVER justified in what they do.

DP. You must be reading a different DCUM than I am. I just see repeated denials that Hamas systematically raped, tortured, and executed women and children on 10/7 here from the Palestinian supporters. I rarely see any acknowledgment of atrocities by Hamas.

I am fully willing to say that what is happening in Gaza is a genocide, that the IDF has and continues to commit atrocities, that the US should not be supporting a genocidal state. But I would like to see some honesty from the Palestinian supporters too about the atrocities committed on the Palestinian side, and I rarely see that on DCUM. I don’t see how we move forward at all here with supporters on both sides just outright lying all the time.

+ a million
You are correct. Not once have I seen any of the posters who repeat the same song and dance about "Israel's genocidal monsters/demons/ghouls" admit that Hamas are ALSO "monsters/demons/ghouls" who have committed terrible atrocities. Not one time. And that goes tenfold for the one particular absolutely unhinged pro-Palestinian poster who rants about the same vile things in every post. She has NEVER admitted that Hamas are disgusting terrorists and in fact, flatly denies that they did anything wrong at all. Pretty sick.

DP Requiring any poster to acknowledge anything about Hamas seems like nothing more than a WHATABOUTISM! distraction tactic at this point.

Let’s assume everyone agrees that Hamas are monsters / demons / groups. I think everyone has already condemned and denounced them, but let’s go a step further to resolve your issue. There.

Now we have to deal with the fact that one group of monsters / demons / ghouls slaughtered less than 1,000 innocent non-combatants while the other group of monsters / demons / ghouls slaughtered over 45,000 innocent non-combatants, or more than 45 for every 1 innocent non-combatant in the first group. And that’s just since 2023. And that’s not considering the tens of thousands of non-fatal casualties, the economic losses, the displacements, etc. Or the violations of law and war crimes committed in the West Bank daily, before and after 10/7/2023.

Digesting those facts, do you understand why demanding that time be spent quibbling over how to label Hamas is offensive, if not outrageous?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Hamas used sexual violence as "part of a deliberate genocidal strategy" during the 7 October 2023 attack on Israel, an all-women group of Israeli legal and gender experts allege in a new report calling for justice.

The Dinah Project says the report is based on a review of evidence including first-hand testimony from a survivor of an attempted rape and 15 former hostages held in Gaza, as well as accounts from witnesses to sexual assaults.

It lays out what the group describes as "a legal blueprint for prosecuting these crimes, even when direct attribution to individual perpetrators is impossible".

Hamas has denied its forces committed sexual violence against women or mistreated female hostages.

However, a UN mission concluded in March 2024 that there were "reasonable grounds" to believe that conflict-related sexual violence occurred during the 7 October attack in multiple locations, including rape and gang rape, and that there was "convincing information" that hostages had been subjected to sexual violence, including rape and sexualised torture.

And before they were assassinated by Israel, three top Hamas leaders were also accused by the International Criminal Court's prosecutor of the crimes against humanity of rape and other forms of sexual violence, in addition to murder, extermination and torture.

https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c1mz8gxzg82o

This is really very suspect. The headline is a report on what an Israeli org reports. This is hardly the gotcha you’re claiming

Oh, the irony! Every "source" you use is from a Palestinian or pro-Palestinian organization. Try again.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Hamas used sexual violence as "part of a deliberate genocidal strategy" during the 7 October 2023 attack on Israel, an all-women group of Israeli legal and gender experts allege in a new report calling for justice.

The Dinah Project says the report is based on a review of evidence including first-hand testimony from a survivor of an attempted rape and 15 former hostages held in Gaza, as well as accounts from witnesses to sexual assaults.

It lays out what the group describes as "a legal blueprint for prosecuting these crimes, even when direct attribution to individual perpetrators is impossible".

Hamas has denied its forces committed sexual violence against women or mistreated female hostages.

However, a UN mission concluded in March 2024 that there were "reasonable grounds" to believe that conflict-related sexual violence occurred during the 7 October attack in multiple locations, including rape and gang rape, and that there was "convincing information" that hostages had been subjected to sexual violence, including rape and sexualised torture.

And before they were assassinated by Israel, three top Hamas leaders were also accused by the International Criminal Court's prosecutor of the crimes against humanity of rape and other forms of sexual violence, in addition to murder, extermination and torture.

https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c1mz8gxzg82o

This is really very suspect. The headline is a report on what an Israeli org reports. This is hardly the gotcha you’re claiming

Oh, the irony! Every "source" you use is from a Palestinian or pro-Palestinian organization. Try again.

DP. So only paid Israeli propaganda can be used as a “source”. WFT?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I haven’t read the posts. I believe what is happening in Gaza is a genocide. I believe the IDF have committed horrific atrocities. I also believe Oct 7 was mass murder by Hamas. I’m pretty certain Hamas also has committed brutal crimes against prisoners. Why can’t both sides acknowledge that each are guilty of awful, awful things, including (sadly) rape?

The posters outraged by Israel consistently, repeatedly acknowledge that Hamas also deserves condemnation. They acknowledge evil on both sides, but believe that Israel is disproportionally to blame for the conflict.

The posters who refuse to acknowledge Israel’s horrific policies and actions won’t return the favor. They will never concede evil on both sides, sidestepping real accountability by pretending that the Israeli evil is limited to a few leaders.

That’s it, in a nutshell.

The latter think that, no matter what, Israel is ALWAYS justified in what they do. Or that what they do is unavoidable. And they also think that, no matter what, the Palestinians are NEVER justified in what they do.

DP. You must be reading a different DCUM than I am. I just see repeated denials that Hamas systematically raped, tortured, and executed women and children on 10/7 here from the Palestinian supporters. I rarely see any acknowledgment of atrocities by Hamas.

I am fully willing to say that what is happening in Gaza is a genocide, that the IDF has and continues to commit atrocities, that the US should not be supporting a genocidal state. But I would like to see some honesty from the Palestinian supporters too about the atrocities committed on the Palestinian side, and I rarely see that on DCUM. I don’t see how we move forward at all here with supporters on both sides just outright lying all the time.

+ a million
You are correct. Not once have I seen any of the posters who repeat the same song and dance about "Israel's genocidal monsters/demons/ghouls" admit that Hamas are ALSO "monsters/demons/ghouls" who have committed terrible atrocities. Not one time. And that goes tenfold for the one particular absolutely unhinged pro-Palestinian poster who rants about the same vile things in every post. She has NEVER admitted that Hamas are disgusting terrorists and in fact, flatly denies that they did anything wrong at all. Pretty sick.

DP Requiring any poster to acknowledge anything about Hamas seems like nothing more than a WHATABOUTISM! distraction tactic at this point.

Let’s assume everyone agrees that Hamas are monsters / demons / groups. I think everyone has already condemned and denounced them, but let’s go a step further to resolve your issue. There.

Now we have to deal with the fact that one group of monsters / demons / ghouls slaughtered less than 1,000 innocent non-combatants while the other group of monsters / demons / ghouls slaughtered over 45,000 innocent non-combatants, or more than 45 for every 1 innocent non-combatant in the first group. And that’s just since 2023. And that’s not considering the tens of thousands of non-fatal casualties, the economic losses, the displacements, etc. Or the violations of law and war crimes committed in the West Bank daily, before and after 10/7/2023.

Digesting those facts, do you understand why demanding that time be spent quibbling over how to label Hamas is offensive, if not outrageous?

Don’t gaslight me about what I literally read here from pro-Palestinian posters. It makes everything you say seem like a lie, which is exactly your problem. You and your Zionist counterparts all sound like massive liars.

[Anonymous]

Hamas exists because videos like the one below have existed for decades.

Who in the hell is a single one of you defenders of Israel's to even speak when Hamas could not exist if Israel hadn't been founded by terrorism and done every f***ing thing you accuse Hamas of doing, but FIRST? The only difference is, you got to lie about beheaded babies and cutting babies out of stomachs specifically because that is the racism you Zionists got away w/ pushing for DECADES and w/o pushback. You got to dehumanize Palestinians in the most disgusting ways and you got to lie w/ absolute impunity and accuse Palestinians of things without a shred of evidence. Meanwhile, you expect videos of every single barbaric act done to a Palestinian including those *long before Hamas existed* and I guess the raped Palestinians or the orphaned Palestinians must go to like a notary before you even consider it might be true and even then, you won't say sh*t. You'll either say nothing or do the tiresome "both sides" crap because you're depraved or just lazy. And then have the nerve to expect respect for your position?

The only thing that gives me great joy is knowing most of the disgusting psychos who lie to themselves, are over 40 and your views are toxic to those under that age who've seen the things you defend. You keep projecting your BS about "Hamas defenders." What you actually mean is: "You're supposed to agree w/ every lie Israel tells despite evidence showing all they do is lie, go along with reports based on recycled BULLSH*T and even if you do, we will never call out Israel's savagery."

Surprisingly, the best quote comes from Rick and Morty when it comes to responding to Zionists: Your boos mean nothing, because I see what makes you cheer.

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