A Response to Rita Montoya calling Community Members Racist

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Anonymous wrote:This is a blatant misrepresentation of what occurred and the author of this piece knows it. If you were watching that meeting, Mrs. Montoya spoke at great length about the current magnet system upholding systemic racism and frankly, seemed entirely disinterested in the boundary portion of the vote itself. When it came time for the vote, it was abundantly clear that Montoya was referencing the vote to uphold the current standard which historically has had minimal levels of participation from students who are not Asian or White. Please stop bullshitting and making this into something it is not, Ms. Sukhobok.

Thanks for weighing in Rita, but your hot mic comment stands for itself - that was a really honest moment for you.

Comments don’t stand for themselves, context always matters

The context is that she was saying Asian American parents are racist for not wanting to send their kids further away to Crown HS.

FWIW, I support H, but I don't support what Montoya said. I'll be voting against her next time. Racism has no place in MCPS, right?

Remarkably, Rita is politically ambitious. Look for her to run for county council. It pays better.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:This is a blatant misrepresentation of what occurred and the author of this piece knows it. If you were watching that meeting, Mrs. Montoya spoke at great length about the current magnet system upholding systemic racism and frankly, seemed entirely disinterested in the boundary portion of the vote itself. When it came time for the vote, it was abundantly clear that Montoya was referencing the vote to uphold the current standard which historically has had minimal levels of participation from students who are not Asian or White. Please stop bullshitting and making this into something it is not, Ms. Sukhobok.

Thanks for weighing in Rita, but your hot mic comment stands for itself - that was a really honest moment for you.

Comments don’t stand for themselves, context always matters

The context is that she was saying Asian American parents are racist for not wanting to send their kids further away to Crown HS.

FWIW, I support H, but I don't support what Montoya said. I'll be voting against her next time. Racism has no place in MCPS, right?

DP. Poor choice on her part to mutter that, but most clearly, given the context of the lead-up remarks and the ongoing inability of the save-Wootton community to articulate a rationale that benefitted all of MoCo rather than their community by itself (suggesting that Crown being holding or hybrid was good for Gaithersburg was laughable), she was saying they were racist for not wanting to have their children's school also draw from Gaithersburg.

Rita made an assumption perhaps, as do you, that Wootton parents don't want to send their students to school with students from Gaithersburg. Maybe they just want to preserve their neighborhood high school that is nearer to their homes, for their students to attend.

That assumption was not made in a void, as there were vocal elements of those protesting H, especially at the community-held meetings, who made it very clear that they did not want Gaithersburg students at their school. Not everyone, and certainly there were plenty with a legitimate gripe about shifting location from their own existing walkability, but the commentary, Rita's and above, was more clearly in regard to that first group.

Even those with the legitimate gripe had a difficult time presenting it in such a way as to take into account needs beyond their immediate neighborhoods -- facility condition (vs. budgetary constraint) that was more important than location to many existing Wootton stakeholders, the equivalent needs of those walkable to the Crown location, the general facility needs (given academic viability along with the aforementioned budgetary constraint) of the Gaithersburg community in relation to that of the others impacted by drawing new boundaries, etc.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Asians are smart but how much more suffering and discrimination under the Democrats do they need to experience before moving forward to the right side? Seems like they vote against their own interests

So you think they should align with the white nationalist tiki torchers? Nboody is that dumb.

[Anonymous]

The irony is that Hispanic is the soon to be majority with white, asian and black the minorities what will happen then

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Asians are smart but how much more suffering and discrimination under the Democrats do they need to experience before moving forward to the right side? Seems like they vote against their own interests

So you think they should align with the white nationalist tiki torchers? Nboody is that dumb.

That is not the same thing dummy. Was your last governor a white supremist

[Anonymous]

Taylor has sown division into our community in so many ways. Too bad we have BOE members such as Montoya who just make it worse.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Taylor has sown division into our community in so many ways. Too bad we have BOE members such as Montoya who just make it worse.

We get it. You don't like that she called out racism without making it crystal clear the positions among some of the save Wootton crowd she considered such, even though she had spoken to that earlier.

Which BOE members do you think haven't supported Taylor in things you are considering divisive?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Taylor has sown division into our community in so many ways. Too bad we have BOE members such as Montoya who just make it worse.

We get it. You don't like that she called out racism without making it crystal clear the positions among some of the save Wootton crowd she considered such, even though she had spoken to that earlier.

Which BOE members do you think haven't supported Taylor in things you are considering divisive?

They are a total rubber-stamp. One and all. That is why I support reform that would seat another BOE member reporting to the county executive to monitor budget issues so that the county council and county executive are not subject without sufficient notice to autocratic strong-arming by a superintendent who is more of a wheeler-dealer than an educator.

Montoya stands out because she gratuitously labeled the community attending the March 26th BOE meeting as racist. I think Grace Rivera-Oven is a problem too, with her claims that the BOE is a part-time job and she doesn't have time to pay attention to everything. Get out Grace - the community deserves better than you.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Taylor has sown division into our community in so many ways. Too bad we have BOE members such as Montoya who just make it worse.

We get it. You don't like that she called out racism without making it crystal clear the positions among some of the save Wootton crowd she considered such, even though she had spoken to that earlier.

Which BOE members do you think haven't supported Taylor in things you are considering divisive?

They are a total rubber-stamp. One and all. That is why I support reform that would seat another BOE member reporting to the county executive to monitor budget issues so that the county council and county executive are not subject without sufficient notice to autocratic strong-arming by a superintendent who is more of a wheeler-dealer than an educator.

Montoya stands out because she gratuitously labeled the community attending the March 26th BOE meeting as racist. I think Grace Rivera-Oven is a problem too, with her claims that the BOE is a part-time job and she doesn't have time to pay attention to everything. Get out Grace - the community deserves better than you.

She mumbled, "That's the racism," when the crowd briefly cheered Yang's voting against the combined boundary/programs changes. That was a follow-up to her:

1l pointing out in her earlier comments the overwhelming over-representation of white and asian students/under-representation of black and brown students in the county's most academically successful magnet programs

2) expressing that she wanted "to make it clear, to this community and to all of my colleagues, that a vote against this model is a vote to perpetuate the racist access to these programs..." (based on failing to add the additional seating and regionalization which might lead to more magnet participation among black & brown students)

3) getting immediate verbal interruption of that from the crowd on hand, which was dominated by the save Wootton folk, for which she had to take a pause.

1 was factual, though the conclusions implied bear examination (e.g., how much is a consequence of a wealth/poverty divide instead of a directly racial divide -- the significant variance suggest it is more than just that, however).

2 was a questionable and facile claim, as there was far more than just program expansion on the table.

3 was the thing to which she was responding with the mutter when the vote came. Clearly, it was an inadvisable utterance.

Could she have concluded that the interruption had been because it was a far more complicated issue than the up-or-down support for racial equity she made it out to be, rather than because people were saying it wasn't a racial equity issue at all? Sure she could have. I think most there/watching read it that way, so why couldn't she? Perhaps because of the focus of that which she was saying...

But that doesn't make her aside remark rise to "gratuitously" labeling -- it was a reaction to one possible, if not the most likely correct, interpretation of the interaction.

Ageee thst Grace has become a disappointment.

[Anonymous]

There is a lot of racism on all sides in MCPS and the county. Many of the Wootton protestors are community members with young kids or much older with kids out of the school system if you look at the pictures of the protestors so its hard to take them seriously.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:There is a lot of racism on all sides in MCPS and the county. Many of the Wootton protestors are community members with young kids or much older with kids out of the school system if you look at the pictures of the protestors so its hard to take them seriously.

I don't agree with the Save Wootton crowd but what do you have against parents with young kids advocating for what they want? Their families will be directly impacted (and I think they will be fine but they have a right to share their views)

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:This is a blatant misrepresentation of what occurred and the author of this piece knows it. If you were watching that meeting, Mrs. Montoya spoke at great length about the current magnet system upholding systemic racism and frankly, seemed entirely disinterested in the boundary portion of the vote itself. When it came time for the vote, it was abundantly clear that Montoya was referencing the vote to uphold the current standard which historically has had minimal levels of participation from students who are not Asian or White. Please stop bullshitting and making this into something it is not, Ms. Sukhobok.

Thanks for weighing in Rita, but your hot mic comment stands for itself - that was a really honest moment for you.

Comments don’t stand for themselves, context always matters

The context is that she was saying Asian American parents are racist for not wanting to send their kids further away to Crown HS.

FWIW, I support H, but I don't support what Montoya said. I'll be voting against her next time. Racism has no place in MCPS, right?

DP. Poor choice on her part to mutter that, but most clearly, given the context of the lead-up remarks and the ongoing inability of the save-Wootton community to articulate a rationale that benefitted all of MoCo rather than their community by itself (suggesting that Crown being holding or hybrid was good for Gaithersburg was laughable), she was saying they were racist for not wanting to have their children's school also draw from Gaithersburg.

Rita made an assumption perhaps, as do you, that Wootton parents don't want to send their students to school with students from Gaithersburg. Maybe they just want to preserve their neighborhood high school that is nearer to their homes, for their students to attend.

Honestly, if those parents just were really honest about that, it would have been great. And then people could have tried to help them understand that they needed to get over themselves as decisions have to be made for the whole of the school and county. It’s the not being clear on motives that made these people look flip floppy and desperate. They kept looking for every little reason to get their way - and part of the outcome was they did come off as racist. Hope they learned their lessons for next time.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Taylor has sown division into our community in so many ways. Too bad we have BOE members such as Montoya who just make it worse.

We get it. You don't like that she called out racism without making it crystal clear the positions among some of the save Wootton crowd she considered such, even though she had spoken to that earlier.

Which BOE members do you think haven't supported Taylor in things you are considering divisive?

They are a total rubber-stamp. One and all. That is why I support reform that would seat another BOE member reporting to the county executive to monitor budget issues so that the county council and county executive are not subject without sufficient notice to autocratic strong-arming by a superintendent who is more of a wheeler-dealer than an educator.

Montoya stands out because she gratuitously labeled the community attending the March 26th BOE meeting as racist. I think Grace Rivera-Oven is a problem too, with her claims that the BOE is a part-time job and she doesn't have time to pay attention to everything. Get out Grace - the community deserves better than you.

She mumbled, "That's the racism," when the crowd briefly cheered Yang's voting against the combined boundary/programs changes. That was a follow-up to her:

1l pointing out in her earlier comments the overwhelming over-representation of white and asian students/under-representation of black and brown students in the county's most academically successful magnet programs

2) expressing that she wanted "to make it clear, to this community and to all of my colleagues, that a vote against this model is a vote to perpetuate the racist access to these programs..." (based on failing to add the additional seating and regionalization which might lead to more magnet participation among black & brown students)

3) getting immediate verbal interruption of that from the crowd on hand, which was dominated by the save Wootton folk, for which she had to take a pause.

1 was factual, though the conclusions implied bear examination (e.g., how much is a consequence of a wealth/poverty divide instead of a directly racial divide -- the significant variance suggest it is more than just that, however).

2 was a questionable and facile claim, as there was far more than just program expansion on the table.

3 was the thing to which she was responding with the mutter when the vote came. Clearly, it was an inadvisable utterance.

Could she have concluded that the interruption had been because it was a far more complicated issue than the up-or-down support for racial equity she made it out to be, rather than because people were saying it wasn't a racial equity issue at all? Sure she could have. I think most there/watching read it that way, so why couldn't she? Perhaps because of the focus of that which she was saying...

But that doesn't make her aside remark rise to "gratuitously" labeling -- it was a reaction to one possible, if not the most likely correct, interpretation of the interaction.

Ageee thst Grace has become a disappointment.

Thanks for your response Rita. Probably better for your mental health if you stay off DCUM.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This is a blatant misrepresentation of what occurred and the author of this piece knows it. If you were watching that meeting, Mrs. Montoya spoke at great length about the current magnet system upholding systemic racism and frankly, seemed entirely disinterested in the boundary portion of the vote itself. When it came time for the vote, it was abundantly clear that Montoya was referencing the vote to uphold the current standard which historically has had minimal levels of participation from students who are not Asian or White. Please stop bullshitting and making this into something it is not, Ms. Sukhobok.

Thanks for weighing in Rita, but your hot mic comment stands for itself - that was a really honest moment for you.

Comments don’t stand for themselves, context always matters

The context is that she was saying Asian American parents are racist for not wanting to send their kids further away to Crown HS.

FWIW, I support H, but I don't support what Montoya said. I'll be voting against her next time. Racism has no place in MCPS, right?

DP. Poor choice on her part to mutter that, but most clearly, given the context of the lead-up remarks and the ongoing inability of the save-Wootton community to articulate a rationale that benefitted all of MoCo rather than their community by itself (suggesting that Crown being holding or hybrid was good for Gaithersburg was laughable), she was saying they were racist for not wanting to have their children's school also draw from Gaithersburg.

Rita made an assumption perhaps, as do you, that Wootton parents don't want to send their students to school with students from Gaithersburg. Maybe they just want to preserve their neighborhood high school that is nearer to their homes, for their students to attend.

Honestly, if those parents just were really honest about that, it would have been great. And then people could have tried to help them understand that they needed to get over themselves as decisions have to be made for the whole of the school and county. It’s the not being clear on motives that made these people look flip floppy and desperate. They kept looking for every little reason to get their way - and part of the outcome was they did come off as racist. Hope they learned their lessons for next time.

Hope they learned their lesson for next time.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Taylor has sown division into our community in so many ways. Too bad we have BOE members such as Montoya who just make it worse.

We get it. You don't like that she called out racism without making it crystal clear the positions among some of the save Wootton crowd she considered such, even though she had spoken to that earlier.

Which BOE members do you think haven't supported Taylor in things you are considering divisive?

They are a total rubber-stamp. One and all. That is why I support reform that would seat another BOE member reporting to the county executive to monitor budget issues so that the county council and county executive are not subject without sufficient notice to autocratic strong-arming by a superintendent who is more of a wheeler-dealer than an educator.

Montoya stands out because she gratuitously labeled the community attending the March 26th BOE meeting as racist. I think Grace Rivera-Oven is a problem too, with her claims that the BOE is a part-time job and she doesn't have time to pay attention to everything. Get out Grace - the community deserves better than you.

She mumbled, "That's the racism," when the crowd briefly cheered Yang's voting against the combined boundary/programs changes. That was a follow-up to her:

1l pointing out in her earlier comments the overwhelming over-representation of white and asian students/under-representation of black and brown students in the county's most academically successful magnet programs

2) expressing that she wanted "to make it clear, to this community and to all of my colleagues, that a vote against this model is a vote to perpetuate the racist access to these programs..." (based on failing to add the additional seating and regionalization which might lead to more magnet participation among black & brown students)

3) getting immediate verbal interruption of that from the crowd on hand, which was dominated by the save Wootton folk, for which she had to take a pause.

1 was factual, though the conclusions implied bear examination (e.g., how much is a consequence of a wealth/poverty divide instead of a directly racial divide -- the significant variance suggest it is more than just that, however).

2 was a questionable and facile claim, as there was far more than just program expansion on the table.

3 was the thing to which she was responding with the mutter when the vote came. Clearly, it was an inadvisable utterance.

Could she have concluded that the interruption had been because it was a far more complicated issue than the up-or-down support for racial equity she made it out to be, rather than because people were saying it wasn't a racial equity issue at all? Sure she could have. I think most there/watching read it that way, so why couldn't she? Perhaps because of the focus of that which she was saying...

But that doesn't make her aside remark rise to "gratuitously" labeling -- it was a reaction to one possible, if not the most likely correct, interpretation of the interaction.

Ageee thst Grace has become a disappointment.

Thanks for your response Rita. Probably better for your mental health if you stay off DCUM.

You think that she would write that about herself? "Inadvisable utterance" & "questionable and facile claim"?

Stop letting her live in your head.