Is it crazy to choose a non-ivy over an ivy

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Depends on which Ivy. In most circles except maybe among first-gen immigrants, there are at least 10 non-Ivy colleges more prestigious than Cornell and Dartmouth. East coast old money prefers Williams to almost all Ivies except HYP. West coast elites and Silicon Valley prefers Pomona, Harvey Mudd over at least 3-4 Ivies, and Stanford any day over all Ivies.

You're really wrong on this. It doesn't get more old money than Dartmouth. My child is there and there is a huge boarding school contingent. Old money. Billionaire level in some cases.

You don’t get it. There is plenty of old money at Dartmouth but that doesn’t mean Dartmouth is prestigious in the old money circle. Dartmouth is not their first choice. Those are kids who can’t get into HYP, Wharton, Stanford, Williams and instead were told by private counselors to play it safe to ED Dartmouth with a 3.5 GPA and legacy status. If you are in the boarding school contingent you were referring to, you would know.

Just b/c lots of families send their kids to Penn State or SUNY doesn’t mean those families think these schools are the most prestigious. Same thing applies to Dartmouth and old money just at a didn’t level.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Depends on which Ivy. In most circles except maybe among first-gen immigrants, there are at least 10 non-Ivy colleges more prestigious than Cornell and Dartmouth. East coast old money prefers Williams to almost all Ivies except HYP. West coast elites and Silicon Valley prefers Pomona, Harvey Mudd over at least 3-4 Ivies, and Stanford any day over all Ivies.

That’s why Williams is losing any relevance.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Depends on which Ivy. In most circles except maybe among first-gen immigrants, there are at least 10 non-Ivy colleges more prestigious than Cornell and Dartmouth. East coast old money prefers Williams to almost all Ivies except HYP. West coast elites and Silicon Valley prefers Pomona, Harvey Mudd over at least 3-4 Ivies, and Stanford any day over all Ivies.

You're really wrong on this. It doesn't get more old money than Dartmouth. My child is there and there is a huge boarding school contingent. Old money. Billionaire level in some cases.

You don’t get it. There is plenty of old money at Dartmouth but that doesn’t mean Dartmouth is prestigious in the old money circle. Dartmouth is not their first choice. Those are kids who can’t get into HYP, Wharton, Stanford, Williams and instead were told by private counselors to play it safe to ED Dartmouth with a 3.5 GPA and legacy status. If you are in the boarding school contingent you were referring to, you would know.

Just b/c lots of families send their kids to Penn State or SUNY doesn’t mean those families think these schools are the most prestigious. Same thing applies to Dartmouth and old money just at a didn’t level.

Writes the expert on "old money" from her double wide while planning her big trip to Walmart in the morning in the family pickup with 240,000 miles on it.

[Anonymous]

Are you talking about U Arizona over Princeton or
Stanford over Cornell?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:My kid picked UVA over an Ivy.

Ivies have weird vibes these days. My older child is at one. They are often an exceedingly random mix of kids---super academic grinders, underprepared FGLI kids from middle America, ultra wealthy who stick to themselves. It's a odd mix.

Smart choice. Fit is important. Prestige is illusion.

Prestige of UVA is definitely an illusion. Strong flagship, but not prestigious.

I'm not the poster you are responding to and have no affiliation with UVA but Yes it is. Any school with under a 14% acceptance rate is prestigious in my book and attracts the best of the best. Stop the nonsense.

Why 14% and not 15% or 20%.

Because the hundreds of VA housewives on this forum act like UVA is the best thing since sliced bread. Therefore, UVA’s acceptance rate is their benchmark.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:My kid picked UVA over an Ivy.

Ivies have weird vibes these days. My older child is at one. They are often an exceedingly random mix of kids---super academic grinders, underprepared FGLI kids from middle America, ultra wealthy who stick to themselves. It's a odd mix.

Mine did too. For the money, though, not because of weird vibe.

[Anonymous]

Look at the full tuition ride and full ride merit recipients (based on academic and EC achievements) at Duke, Vandy, Emory, WashU, ND, Rice, and the like. Almost all of them have 1 or more Ivy acceptances and decided to take the merit aid since they won't qualify for need aid at Ivy. As merit scholars these students receive special treatment in terms of additional perks, attention and academic privileges. In contrast, at Ivies they are full pay and treated just like everyone else. My DC was one of those who chose to go full ride at a private T20. DC met all the other merit aid winners at an all expenses paid trip before decision day. The ones who did not take the merit scholarship went to HYP, Penn and MIT.

[Anonymous]

CMU > Cornell

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:My kid picked UVA over an Ivy.

Ivies have weird vibes these days. My older child is at one. They are often an exceedingly random mix of kids---super academic grinders, underprepared FGLI kids from middle America, ultra wealthy who stick to themselves. It's a odd mix.

wow! sounds like Ivies have a place for everyone!

Sounds like the Ivy I went to 30 years ago.

+1, my experience at HYP 35 years ago

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Depends on which Ivy. In most circles except maybe among first-gen immigrants, there are at least 10 non-Ivy colleges more prestigious than Cornell and Dartmouth. East coast old money prefers Williams to almost all Ivies except HYP. West coast elites and Silicon Valley prefers Pomona, Harvey Mudd over at least 3-4 Ivies, and Stanford any day over all Ivies.

You're really wrong on this. It doesn't get more old money than Dartmouth. My child is there and there is a huge boarding school contingent. Old money. Billionaire level in some cases.

You don’t get it. There is plenty of old money at Dartmouth but that doesn’t mean Dartmouth is prestigious in the old money circle. Dartmouth is not their first choice. Those are kids who can’t get into HYP, Wharton, Stanford, Williams and instead were told by private counselors to play it safe to ED Dartmouth with a 3.5 GPA and legacy status. If you are in the boarding school contingent you were referring to, you would know.

Just b/c lots of families send their kids to Penn State or SUNY doesn’t mean those families think these schools are the most prestigious. Same thing applies to Dartmouth and old money just at a didn’t level.

Writes the expert on "old money" from her double wide while planning her big trip to Walmart in the morning in the family pickup with 240,000 miles on it.

Haha, you've never been to Ft. Worth or Amarillo!

[Anonymous]

Northwestern is ranked higher than several Ivies - Dartmouth, Columbia, Cornell. But push comes to shove, I think most students would choose the Ivy.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Depends on which Ivy. In most circles except maybe among first-gen immigrants, there are at least 10 non-Ivy colleges more prestigious than Cornell and Dartmouth. East coast old money prefers Williams to almost all Ivies except HYP. West coast elites and Silicon Valley prefers Pomona, Harvey Mudd over at least 3-4 Ivies, and Stanford any day over all Ivies.

You're really wrong on this. It doesn't get more old money than Dartmouth. My child is there and there is a huge boarding school contingent. Old money. Billionaire level in some cases.

You don’t get it. There is plenty of old money at Dartmouth but that doesn’t mean Dartmouth is prestigious in the old money circle. Dartmouth is not their first choice. Those are kids who can’t get into HYP, Wharton, Stanford, Williams and instead were told by private counselors to play it safe to ED Dartmouth with a 3.5 GPA and legacy status. If you are in the boarding school contingent you were referring to, you would know.

Just b/c lots of families send their kids to Penn State or SUNY doesn’t mean those families think these schools are the most prestigious. Same thing applies to Dartmouth and old money just at a didn’t level.

Sorry you obviously don't have a kid at Dartmouth or hang around the people you write about.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Look at the full tuition ride and full ride merit recipients (based on academic and EC achievements) at Duke, Vandy, Emory, WashU, ND, Rice, and the like. Almost all of them have 1 or more Ivy acceptances and decided to take the merit aid since they won't qualify for need aid at Ivy. As merit scholars these students receive special treatment in terms of additional perks, attention and academic privileges. In contrast, at Ivies they are full pay and treated just like everyone else. My DC was one of those who chose to go full ride at a private T20. DC met all the other merit aid winners at an all expenses paid trip before decision day. The ones who did not take the merit scholarship went to HYP, Penn and MIT.

This information is publicly available?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Depends on which Ivy. In most circles except maybe among first-gen immigrants, there are at least 10 non-Ivy colleges more prestigious than Cornell and Dartmouth. East coast old money prefers Williams to almost all Ivies except HYP. West coast elites and Silicon Valley prefers Pomona, Harvey Mudd over at least 3-4 Ivies, and Stanford any day over all Ivies.

This is not true at all.

I don't think it's that off base.

- HYP grad

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:My kid choose T20 with merit over two (ED) Ivies. Not sure if what he would have choosen if he got in to HYPMS, but he's happy where he is.

he applied to two ivies ED?

No -- he was accepted at two Ivies that offer ED, not SCEA

so he applied to them both ED?