Why is there so much hate for the south here?

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Anonymous wrote:I’m guessing it gets the racism and the the stain that can never be washed off from the Jim Crow era, but I don’t know.

Maybe it’s the bombing of all successful black neighborhoods, or turning them into lakes or using eminent domain to run the roads right through their communities.

I don't get the people saying the south is racist. Most African Americans in the us, well the majority of them live in the south. They would not continue to live somewhere they felt treated badly. It just doesn't make sense. How is the south racist?

Completely false. Many can't afford to leave. Also, if you never understand what real agency is, you become accustomed to the way you are treated. It's not until you leave that you realize that you were not empowered. I'm black. I've lived in the South 2x - Atlanta and Charlotte. I have NO desire to live in the South again ever. I find that black people in the South are not empowered like they are in the DMV. They don't have power or agency. They may have a great job but they are grateful instead of understanding that they are in the job because they are good at what they do. There's also a lot more opportunity here.

A lot of purported black “power or agency” in the DC area comes from federal employment and there’s no group that’s been more adverse affected by the federal cutbacks than black women.

Your agency doesn't just come from your job. I am in DC and while a few of my friends worked for the federal government, many are lawyers, bankers and in corporate.

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We have plenty of African American business owners in the south who make bank.

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If your state votes for idiots, then don’t be surprised if people assume the people who live there are racist, ignorant, etc…..

You are disgusting. Assuming derogatory characteristics based on group membership is the essence of racism.

Voting for MAGA is a choice.
Living with MAGA is a choice.

Are you not, yourself, "living with MAGA"? Why not move out of the US if that's your standard?

Except the entire western world is going “far-right” including Italy, Germany, and Canada… it’s almost like enforcing legal immigration and restricting voting to legal citizens are seen as normal things by voters everywhere.

There’s a reason Denmark escaped the far-right wave and it’s because their liberal party took on a very strong anti-immigration platform (“ghetto laws,” google them).

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If your state votes for idiots, then don’t be surprised if people assume the people who live there are racist, ignorant, etc…..

You are disgusting. Assuming derogatory characteristics based on group membership is the essence of racism.

Voting for MAGA is a choice.
Living with MAGA is a choice.

What a remarkable combination of privilege, obliviousness and foolishness.

Most people don’t have the means to move for any reason, much less bc they disagree with their state’s politics.

And the very best way to effect political change is for more Dem voters to move to MAGA areas. You’re not doing a lick of good in your MD/DC/NOVA echo chamber, and your vote is being wasted.

Want to make a difference? Move your sorry carcass to a purple state or a swing district in a red state. Engage with your community and make your vote count.

F u c k n o

I'd rather die than live with MAGA trash.

You need to get out more.

I despise Trump, but I regularly interact with multiple Trump voters, including several who are BIPOC.

Nice people. Disagree politically. Makes for interesting lunch conversation.

Far preferable to dying. But you should feel free to do you.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
If your state votes for idiots, then don’t be surprised if people assume the people who live there are racist, ignorant, etc…..

You are disgusting. Assuming derogatory characteristics based on group membership is the essence of racism.

Voting for MAGA is a choice.
Living with MAGA is a choice.

Are you not, yourself, "living with MAGA"? Why not move out of the US if that's your standard?

No, I do not interact with MAGA trash on a daily basis. My town voted <20% Trump and very few live in my neighborhood. Cut out MAGA friends and family long ago.

Life is better without the a-holes and lies.

Got it. So the standard is: if you live in a state that elects a republican to statewide office, you are complicit in MAGA, but if you live in a country that elects a republican to national office, you are not. Fortunately, I live in Virginia, which recently shifted from being Racist (under the previous republican governor) to non-Racist (under the current democratic governor), so my conscience is clear.

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Virginia has changed BECAUSE of those of us who live in NoVA. Most of us are pretty proud of our work here. And we’d like to enjoy it for a little while.

While I have kids in my house, I have no interest in moving to a state that actively tramples on their rights.

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Anonymous wrote:I don't think bad things about the south. Southern hospitality and all that. They will help strangers out thats been my experience. Never seen any racism either. Just honest nice people.

are you white?

Also, most of the south is too Evangelical for me, and I say that as a Christian.

what does Evangelical mean?

You keep asking people to do the work for you. Does google not work on your devices?

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Anonymous wrote:We have plenty of African American business owners in the south who make bank.

And I am related to some of them. That still is not enough to get me back down there.

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Anonymous wrote:Spend any amount of time on here and there are so many nasty comments made about the south that I just don't understand. And while I've never lived in the south I have spent quite a bit of time in GA, SC, NC and FL. and have found people to be nice and welcoming. Nicer than here for sure. So I don't get the near constant comments on different threads about it. Seems to me in fact a lot of people head south to retire for a slower pace life and for warm weather. What gives?

The DC region including Maryland and Virginia is historically culturally Southern. I still find this area a bit slower and friendlier than cities in the northeast. But I get what you're saying. There is a lot of disdain for states further south in general.

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MD and Virginia are in the south, both geographically and culturally. Not sure how most of you aren’t aware you already live in the south if you’re in MD, DC, or VA : )

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Southern_United_States

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Anonymous wrote:I don’t like that South was anti-labor unions.

It feels more segregated still.

I visit Charlotte - I don’t see any municipal pools, the wooded land between neighborhoods here are often walking trails, in Charlotte it is inaccessible to public.

Not sure where you are in Charlotte but that isn't true. There are pools indoor and outdoor and many wooded trails. True fewer rec centers with pools.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I’m guessing it gets the racism and the the stain that can never be washed off from the Jim Crow era, but I don’t know.

Maybe it’s the bombing of all successful black neighborhoods, or turning them into lakes or using eminent domain to run the roads right through their communities.

I don't get the people saying the south is racist. Most African Americans in the us, well the majority of them live in the south. They would not continue to live somewhere they felt treated badly. It just doesn't make sense. How is the south racist?

Completely false. Many can't afford to leave. Also, if you never understand what real agency is, you become accustomed to the way you are treated. It's not until you leave that you realize that you were not empowered. I'm black. I've lived in the South 2x - Atlanta and Charlotte. I have NO desire to live in the South again ever. I find that black people in the South are not empowered like they are in the DMV. They don't have power or agency. They may have a great job but they are grateful instead of understanding that they are in the job because they are good at what they do. There's also a lot more opportunity here.

A lot of purported black “power or agency” in the DC area comes from federal employment and there’s no group that’s been more adverse affected by the federal cutbacks than black women.

Your agency doesn't just come from your job. I am in DC and while a few of my friends worked for the federal government, many are lawyers, bankers and in corporate.

One of the best things the federal government did for minorities was provide well-paying, stable jobs for people who do not have the education and qualifications to be lawyers, bankers, and corporate workers. I'm not PP but I believe that is what they were getting at.

The federal government's (mostly) race-blind application process allowed millions of hard-working minorities without a college education to obtain admin, support, and service jobs that they would have been discriminated out of at many private companies, and while the jobs were at the lower end of the GS schedule, they still paid significantly more than their private sector equivalents, especially when taking benefits into account. Data entry at SSA, tradespeople in AOC, and maintenance at NPS are notable examples but lower-level admin jobs across the entire government were also a huge factor. And until relatively recently, even a lower GS grade allowed you to buy a home and raise a family in this area.

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Anonymous wrote:MD and Virginia are in the south, both geographically and culturally. Not sure how most of you aren’t aware you already live in the south if you’re in MD, DC, or VA : )

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Southern_United_States

Only actual racists in those states (which apparently also includes Delaware, above the mason dixon) consider themselves "the south"

Sure, there is historical context, but even Cecil County (whee I lived for my first 13 years) didn't hold tight to its "southern" roots. There were still racists there, (including idiot KKK guy) but they were already more Philly suburb than being southern when I lived there.

And most people in DE live in Northern DE, which is very Philly/Jersey and of course contains UD. Slower DE is rural, sure. But I have never ever heard DE referred to as "southern" in the modern era.

I now live in NoVA, which doesn't feel "southern" at all! Yes, I am well aware of the history. The battlefields and historic markers are there, I know. But NoVA current culture has nothing in common with the rest of "the south"

Again, not arguing about the historical reasoning. Just that the current dynamics are so very different. The divides in the states are between urban and rural, and obviously the urban numbers win out.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:MD and Virginia are in the south, both geographically and culturally. Not sure how most of you aren’t aware you already live in the south if you’re in MD, DC, or VA : )

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Southern_United_States

Only actual racists in those states (which apparently also includes Delaware, above the mason dixon) consider themselves "the south"

Sure, there is historical context, but even Cecil County (whee I lived for my first 13 years) didn't hold tight to its "southern" roots. There were still racists there, (including idiot KKK guy) but they were already more Philly suburb than being southern when I lived there.

And most people in DE live in Northern DE, which is very Philly/Jersey and of course contains UD. Slower DE is rural, sure. But I have never ever heard DE referred to as "southern" in the modern era.

I now live in NoVA, which doesn't feel "southern" at all! Yes, I am well aware of the history. The battlefields and historic markers are there, I know. But NoVA current culture has nothing in common with the rest of "the south"

Again, not arguing about the historical reasoning. Just that the current dynamics are so very different. The divides in the states are between urban and rural, and obviously the urban numbers win out.

US Census classifies VA, DC, and MD as the south (“southern region” to be exact). So it’s not exactly a historical take - you objectively live in the south.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
If your state votes for idiots, then don’t be surprised if people assume the people who live there are racist, ignorant, etc…..

You are disgusting. Assuming derogatory characteristics based on group membership is the essence of racism.

Voting for MAGA is a choice.
Living with MAGA is a choice.

What a remarkable combination of privilege, obliviousness and foolishness.

Most people don’t have the means to move for any reason, much less bc they disagree with their state’s politics.

And the very best way to effect political change is for more Dem voters to move to MAGA areas. You’re not doing a lick of good in your MD/DC/NOVA echo chamber, and your vote is being wasted.

Want to make a difference? Move your sorry carcass to a purple state or a swing district in a red state. Engage with your community and make your vote count.

F u c k n o

I'd rather die than live with MAGA trash.

You need to get out more.

I despise Trump, but I regularly interact with multiple Trump voters, including several who are BIPOC.

Nice people. Disagree politically. Makes for interesting lunch conversation.

Far preferable to dying. But you should feel free to do you.

wonder how the bipoc maga feel about Trump's recent picture of the Obamas.