Does the DNC have any sort of plan at all?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I really hope the DNC understands that many of us won't be able to get behind a candidate who is silent and unseen NOW, when our democracy is being systematically dismantled. Don't try to shove a candidate down our throats who is carefully curated but had no discernable stance when it mattered. The DNC should understand that but I'm afraid they don't.

NP. The ugly issue we have is this: the DNC is seeing internal polling indicating just how unpopular the Biden-era immigration positions really were. And, the people pushing those positions are still in leadership in the DNC.

This is a tough and nuanced issue. ICE itself employs a large number of working class Latinos. People don’t like police executions but they also do not like feeling that they are paying high taxes for benefits that illegal immigrants get while they don’t get those benefits. I’m in blue California and the undercurrent of anger about the health care and housing benefits that undocumented people get versus what is available to working and middle class people is palpable.

Right now the DNC is running almost entirely on “Trump bad.” And yes of course that is true, he is as awful and horrific as possible (I mean the fact that nothing was surprising about him out of yesterday’s Epstein release should tell us how awful he is). But “Trump bad” doesn’t substitute for leadership.

To be clear, I am extremely opposed to what ICE does and how it operates. It is wrong across the board. But I also think DCUM posters in general do not realize just how out of step they are with the rest of the country, probably because DCUM posters are very insulated in general from the impact of the DNC immigration positions.

For saying tenant you said here for me labeled MAGA. It is defeating when your teammates so easily toss you aside. This is a problem too and why I distrust the party member and their supporters. Better to focus on doing good for people in your community over supporting the party.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I really hope the DNC understands that many of us won't be able to get behind a candidate who is silent and unseen NOW, when our democracy is being systematically dismantled. Don't try to shove a candidate down our throats who is carefully curated but had no discernable stance when it mattered. The DNC should understand that but I'm afraid they don't.

NP. The ugly issue we have is this: the DNC is seeing internal polling indicating just how unpopular the Biden-era immigration positions really were. And, the people pushing those positions are still in leadership in the DNC.

This is a tough and nuanced issue. ICE itself employs a large number of working class Latinos. People don’t like police executions but they also do not like feeling that they are paying high taxes for benefits that illegal immigrants get while they don’t get those benefits. I’m in blue California and the undercurrent of anger about the health care and housing benefits that undocumented people get versus what is available to working and middle class people is palpable.

Right now the DNC is running almost entirely on “Trump bad.” And yes of course that is true, he is as awful and horrific as possible (I mean the fact that nothing was surprising about him out of yesterday’s Epstein release should tell us how awful he is). But “Trump bad” doesn’t substitute for leadership.

To be clear, I am extremely opposed to what ICE does and how it operates. It is wrong across the board. But I also think DCUM posters in general do not realize just how out of step they are with the rest of the country, probably because DCUM posters are very insulated in general from the impact of the DNC immigration positions.

Who cares what the DNC or RNC leadership thinks, says or does??? They don't speak for the American people. They speak first and foremost for ultra wealthy entities that donate most of the billions of dollars they piss away each election cycle. The America people have to rise up and take power back from the corrupt RNC and DNC. Ignore them and put your support behind a people's candidate in 2028.

Agree. I will not vote for another establishment Dem again. If that means we lose, we lose.

The majority of people will support the people's candidate and therefore they won't "lose".

I truly hope so. I have no interest in being a Dem that looks like a Republican

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I really hope the DNC understands that many of us won't be able to get behind a candidate who is silent and unseen NOW, when our democracy is being systematically dismantled. Don't try to shove a candidate down our throats who is carefully curated but had no discernable stance when it mattered. The DNC should understand that but I'm afraid they don't.

NP. The ugly issue we have is this: the DNC is seeing internal polling indicating just how unpopular the Biden-era immigration positions really were. And, the people pushing those positions are still in leadership in the DNC.

This is a tough and nuanced issue. ICE itself employs a large number of working class Latinos. People don’t like police executions but they also do not like feeling that they are paying high taxes for benefits that illegal immigrants get while they don’t get those benefits. I’m in blue California and the undercurrent of anger about the health care and housing benefits that undocumented people get versus what is available to working and middle class people is palpable.

Right now the DNC is running almost entirely on “Trump bad.” And yes of course that is true, he is as awful and horrific as possible (I mean the fact that nothing was surprising about him out of yesterday’s Epstein release should tell us how awful he is). But “Trump bad” doesn’t substitute for leadership.

To be clear, I am extremely opposed to what ICE does and how it operates. It is wrong across the board. But I also think DCUM posters in general do not realize just how out of step they are with the rest of the country, probably because DCUM posters are very insulated in general from the impact of the DNC immigration positions.

Who cares what the DNC or RNC leadership thinks, says or does??? They don't speak for the American people. They speak first and foremost for ultra wealthy entities that donate most of the billions of dollars they piss away each election cycle. The America people have to rise up and take power back from the corrupt RNC and DNC. Ignore them and put your support behind a people's candidate in 2028.

Agree. I will not vote for another establishment Dem again. If that means we lose, we lose.

The majority of people will support the people's candidate and therefore they won't "lose".

I truly hope so. I have no interest in being a Dem that looks like a Republican

And vice versa. We just need love.

[Anonymous]

Any of the 2026 congressional and 2028 presidential candidates vowing to charge Trump and his family with treason?

[Anonymous]

This is very good

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:This is very good

Generally speaking, what the DNC or RNC and their mega-donors see as "good" or beneficial is in conflict with the wishes and interests of the American people. Politicians answering tough questions is a good thing as long as the questions are fair and applicable to what's currently going on in the world.

[Anonymous]

I donated a metric amount of dollars over years to campaigns of one of my former classmates who is now a (D) senator and I was so proud of them when they were elected.

For several years I've now been sincerely buying into the idea that they are just holding on to office knowing they can't change a thing just to keep that donation money flowing in.

Didn't realize I was just such a small fry until I got an invitation to attend their inauguration ceremony and took it seriously with the RSVP included and everything.

I RSVP'd and got all excited I'd finally see Washington DC and my daughter would get to meet a US senator, and then I got a call from an apologetic assistant that it was not actually a "real invitation" it was just a "courtesy" for donors like me. And that we were not actually expected to respond affirmatively.

And that no one would get "face time" with "the senator" but that they could hook me up with hotels where they would have live feeds of the swearing in ceremony.

That's when I got the first inkling that I was only as important as my (small - $2700) check.

[Anonymous]

By this point, the DNC doesn't need a plan much beyond not stepping on their own dic*ks.

Come across as reasonable, rational moderate adults ready to take on and try to solve very real problems.

Don't campaign on progressive issues. Don't sound "woke". Don't campaign with finger-pointing and shrill shouts of accusation. Don't campaign on revenge. Let the rope that MAGA has run with serve its purpose . . .allowing MAGA to hang itself.

[Anonymous]

"Biden immigration is bad"

But who today is running campaigns on anything like "open borders?"

Nobody

Our problem is not our own stance on issues, it's false and dishonest GOP framing of our stance on issues.

For example, I think we need secure borders, and I think we should deport violent criminals.

BUT I also think ICE has seriously abused its powers and is terrorizing American communities, and I think we need serious visa reforms so that we can legally import the labor we need, so that we can legally provide shelter to refugees who genuinely need it, and so on.

BOTH of those things are true. But Republicans lie and reframe it.

It's a shitty dishonest rhetorical framing that keeps happening over and over like if you say "hey, it's pretty horrible that the IDF just blatantly shot a journalist in the head in Gaza" you instantly get accused of being pro-Hamas and an antisemite, when that's not actually a true or logical conclusion to jump to. One can in fact be both anti-Hamas AND critical of Netanyahu.

There's zero conflict, zero hypocrisy, unless you have a completely stunted brain incapable of understanding anything other than a stark binary (in which case I feel sorry for you because the real world is anything but stark binaries).

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:It sounds really crazy but what if Barack runs again in 2028? If Trump does, he can right? He was also tough on immigration -Trumps trademark.

Tell me you’re a coastal UMC lady without telling me you’re a coastal UMC lady.

STFU with this

people have moved past corporate politicians like Obama- we pay nearly 40% (!!!) of our income in taxes and get NOTHING back. we live in an oligarchy and people are sick of it. that is why we have the insanity we have now-- whoever is elected needs to double down on protecting our form of government which means standing up to the billionaires.. a modern day teddy Roosevelt - someone who one of them and actively works to dismantle their power and influence.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Any of the 2026 congressional and 2028 presidential candidates vowing to charge Trump and his family with treason?

He’s definitely committed crimes, but not treason.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I donated a metric amount of dollars over years to campaigns of one of my former classmates who is now a (D) senator and I was so proud of them when they were elected.

For several years I've now been sincerely buying into the idea that they are just holding on to office knowing they can't change a thing just to keep that donation money flowing in.

Didn't realize I was just such a small fry until I got an invitation to attend their inauguration ceremony and took it seriously with the RSVP included and everything.

I RSVP'd and got all excited I'd finally see Washington DC and my daughter would get to meet a US senator, and then I got a call from an apologetic assistant that it was not actually a "real invitation" it was just a "courtesy" for donors like me. And that we were not actually expected to respond affirmatively.

And that no one would get "face time" with "the senator" but that they could hook me up with hotels where they would have live feeds of the swearing in ceremony.

That's when I got the first inkling that I was only as important as my (small - $2700) check.

I’m sorry this happened, but it doesn’t sound typical. I worked on a U.S. senate campaign, and when our candidate won, basically everyone who volunteered for more than a few door-knocking shifts was invited to the victory party. It’s bizarre that a campaign would invite people to a ceremonial swearing in since a) those events usually have room for a handful of family and friends at best, and b) sending the invitation through the campaign raises ethics concerns. My guess is counsel told your former classmate about the ethics issue, and whichever poor campaign staffer called you up did a bad job fudging an excuse.

[Anonymous]

The Dems plan is “F**k Trump”.


That’s it. That is the entirety of it.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:"Biden immigration is bad"

But who today is running campaigns on anything like "open borders?"

Nobody

Our problem is not our own stance on issues, it's false and dishonest GOP framing of our stance on issues.

For example, I think we need secure borders, and I think we should deport violent criminals.

BUT I also think ICE has seriously abused its powers and is terrorizing American communities, and I think we need serious visa reforms so that we can legally import the labor we need, so that we can legally provide shelter to refugees who genuinely need it, and so on.

BOTH of those things are true. But Republicans lie and reframe it.

It's a shitty dishonest rhetorical framing that keeps happening over and over like if you say "hey, it's pretty horrible that the IDF just blatantly shot a journalist in the head in Gaza" you instantly get accused of being pro-Hamas and an antisemite, when that's not actually a true or logical conclusion to jump to. One can in fact be both anti-Hamas AND critical of Netanyahu.

There's zero conflict, zero hypocrisy, unless you have a completely stunted brain incapable of understanding anything other than a stark binary (in which case I feel sorry for you because the real world is anything but stark binaries).

The bolded proves you are MAGA.

DP

So? They’re a MAGA. So what?

About 52% of voters in 2024 decided they were MAGAs, too. There were more MAGAs than Kamala supporters. I realize that must sound like a shock to you, but that’s the reality in the an tual real world outside of the far-left bubble you exist in.


But the thing that should really bother you, as a dem, is that Trump has been called a nazi since 2015 - so it’s been well established that he’s “a nazi” at this point. And that means that a majority of the electorate in this country clearly believes that democrats are essentially worse than nazis - because they voted for a nazi, rather than a democrat.

That is the takeaway that should really trigger some agonizing introspection on your part.


But we both know it won’t.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:"Biden immigration is bad"

But who today is running campaigns on anything like "open borders?"

Nobody

Our problem is not our own stance on issues, it's false and dishonest GOP framing of our stance on issues.

For example, I think we need secure borders, and I think we should deport violent criminals.

BUT I also think ICE has seriously abused its powers and is terrorizing American communities, and I think we need serious visa reforms so that we can legally import the labor we need, so that we can legally provide shelter to refugees who genuinely need it, and so on.

BOTH of those things are true. But Republicans lie and reframe it.

It's a shitty dishonest rhetorical framing that keeps happening over and over like if you say "hey, it's pretty horrible that the IDF just blatantly shot a journalist in the head in Gaza" you instantly get accused of being pro-Hamas and an antisemite, when that's not actually a true or logical conclusion to jump to. One can in fact be both anti-Hamas AND critical of Netanyahu.

There's zero conflict, zero hypocrisy, unless you have a completely stunted brain incapable of understanding anything other than a stark binary (in which case I feel sorry for you because the real world is anything but stark binaries).

The bolded proves you are MAGA.

DP

So? They’re a MAGA. So what?

About 52% of voters in 2024 decided they were MAGAs, too. There were more MAGAs than Kamala supporters. I realize that must sound like a shock to you, but that’s the reality in the an tual real world outside of the far-left bubble you exist in.


But the thing that should really bother you, as a dem, is that Trump has been called a nazi since 2015 - so it’s been well established that he’s “a nazi” at this point. And that means that a majority of the electorate in this country clearly believes that democrats are essentially worse than nazis - because they voted for a nazi, rather than a democrat.

That is the takeaway that should really trigger some agonizing introspection on your part.


But we both know it won’t.

52% of voters did not vote for Trump. He won less than 50% of the popular vote.