Does the DNC have any sort of plan at all?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Perhaps something like this has been mentioned but maybe we don't need the DNC to spend millions on wonks (who never face voters) crafting a "strategy" that might doom us just like it did in 2016 and 2024. 2020 was too close for comfort.

Dems are doing very well. See last night's results from TEXAS.

How about the DNC just spends money on candidates and the people can vote. Isn't that how we ended up with Obama in 2008? A democratic process? Obama got 365 EV.

You cannot say Dems are doing well when they are benefiting from an anti-Trump sentiment. They have not won the people because of enthusiasm for the Democratic Party. People need to get that through their heads. Once Trump is gone that’s when you begin to tell whether the Dems may be doing well.

The real litmus test is 2032/2036 not 2028. Of course by then we may really need to gird our loins because both current major parties want to be the only major party.

You give the GOP nothing to attack as long as they continue to commit suicide by Trump. Yes, the democrats need to move forward, but for RIGHT NOW you provide the GOP and their foreign owners with nothing.

This “just trust me” approach is BS. BTDT. You are a snake.

It isn't a "just trust me approach". The Dems have no leaders to provide us with anything and in this case, no leaders is better than having someone like Biden attempting to be a leader. The Dems are in an advantageous position because of the extremely weak and unpopular GOP POTUS and for now, that's OK. When Dems nominate their next by default leader in 2028, the strength of that leader will very much so matter because the last thing we want is for another weak Dem leader to fumble our momentum back to the GOP. Until then, there is no need to panic while we sit back and watch Trump gift the Dem Congressional seats in the mid-terms.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I really hope the DNC understands that many of us won't be able to get behind a candidate who is silent and unseen NOW, when our democracy is being systematically dismantled. Don't try to shove a candidate down our throats who is carefully curated but had no discernable stance when it mattered. The DNC should understand that but I'm afraid they don't.

NP. The ugly issue we have is this: the DNC is seeing internal polling indicating just how unpopular the Biden-era immigration positions really were. And, the people pushing those positions are still in leadership in the DNC.

This is a tough and nuanced issue. ICE itself employs a large number of working class Latinos. People don’t like police executions but they also do not like feeling that they are paying high taxes for benefits that illegal immigrants get while they don’t get those benefits. I’m in blue California and the undercurrent of anger about the health care and housing benefits that undocumented people get versus what is available to working and middle class people is palpable.

Right now the DNC is running almost entirely on “Trump bad.” And yes of course that is true, he is as awful and horrific as possible (I mean the fact that nothing was surprising about him out of yesterday’s Epstein release should tell us how awful he is). But “Trump bad” doesn’t substitute for leadership.

To be clear, I am extremely opposed to what ICE does and how it operates. It is wrong across the board. But I also think DCUM posters in general do not realize just how out of step they are with the rest of the country, probably because DCUM posters are very insulated in general from the impact of the DNC immigration positions.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Perhaps something like this has been mentioned but maybe we don't need the DNC to spend millions on wonks (who never face voters) crafting a "strategy" that might doom us just like it did in 2016 and 2024. 2020 was too close for comfort.

Dems are doing very well. See last night's results from TEXAS.

How about the DNC just spends money on candidates and the people can vote. Isn't that how we ended up with Obama in 2008? A democratic process? Obama got 365 EV.

You cannot say Dems are doing well when they are benefiting from an anti-Trump sentiment. They have not won the people because of enthusiasm for the Democratic Party. People need to get that through their heads. Once Trump is gone that’s when you begin to tell whether the Dems may be doing well.

The real litmus test is 2032/2036 not 2028. Of course by then we may really need to gird our loins because both current major parties want to be the only major party.

This is insightful. "We dislike Trump" is not a sustainable strategy, is a useless long-term rallying cry, and ignores the fundamental policy deficiencies and misplaced emphases in the Democratic party platform which led to widespread losses in the first instance.

Focusing on social policies which are not widely popular, instead of on economic issues of broad interest, is going to result in future losses. The immigration fiasco is incidentally about perceptions of being soft on crime, but more fundamentally is rooted in beliefs that illegal aliens cost taxpayer money which could be used for the benefit of citizens, and in assertions that employment opportunities for citizens are adversely impacted by undocumented workers who labor for less money. Those perceptions may be misguided, but they exist.

Being seen as soft on crime, supportive of open borders, in favor of higher taxation, often antisemitic/pro-Palestinian, and strongly advocating for fringe social policies like men in women's sports, are all losing stances. Centrists and undecideds will not vote in favor of candidates who stand for those; neither will moderate Republicans. Winning requires moving more towards the center, repudiating the extreme left, and emphasizing the issues most people actually care about - the loudest voices in the Party often reflect fringe/minority perspectives, something which needs to be recognized as unrepresentative of what most voters actually care about and want.

Well said.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I really hope the DNC understands that many of us won't be able to get behind a candidate who is silent and unseen NOW, when our democracy is being systematically dismantled. Don't try to shove a candidate down our throats who is carefully curated but had no discernable stance when it mattered. The DNC should understand that but I'm afraid they don't.

NP. The ugly issue we have is this: the DNC is seeing internal polling indicating just how unpopular the Biden-era immigration positions really were. And, the people pushing those positions are still in leadership in the DNC.

This is a tough and nuanced issue. ICE itself employs a large number of working class Latinos. People don’t like police executions but they also do not like feeling that they are paying high taxes for benefits that illegal immigrants get while they don’t get those benefits. I’m in blue California and the undercurrent of anger about the health care and housing benefits that undocumented people get versus what is available to working and middle class people is palpable.

Right now the DNC is running almost entirely on “Trump bad.” And yes of course that is true, he is as awful and horrific as possible (I mean the fact that nothing was surprising about him out of yesterday’s Epstein release should tell us how awful he is). But “Trump bad” doesn’t substitute for leadership.

To be clear, I am extremely opposed to what ICE does and how it operates. It is wrong across the board. But I also think DCUM posters in general do not realize just how out of step they are with the rest of the country, probably because DCUM posters are very insulated in general from the impact of the DNC immigration positions.

Who cares what the DNC or RNC leadership thinks, says or does??? They don't speak for the American people. They speak first and foremost for ultra wealthy entities that donate most of the billions of dollars they piss away each election cycle. The America people have to rise up and take power back from the corrupt RNC and DNC. Ignore them and put your support behind a people's candidate in 2028.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Perhaps something like this has been mentioned but maybe we don't need the DNC to spend millions on wonks (who never face voters) crafting a "strategy" that might doom us just like it did in 2016 and 2024. 2020 was too close for comfort.

Dems are doing very well. See last night's results from TEXAS.

How about the DNC just spends money on candidates and the people can vote. Isn't that how we ended up with Obama in 2008? A democratic process? Obama got 365 EV.

You cannot say Dems are doing well when they are benefiting from an anti-Trump sentiment. They have not won the people because of enthusiasm for the Democratic Party. People need to get that through their heads. Once Trump is gone that’s when you begin to tell whether the Dems may be doing well.

You give the GOP nothing to attack as long as they continue to commit suicide by Trump. Yes, the democrats need to move forward, but for RIGHT NOW you provide the GOP and their foreign owners with nothing.

This “just trust me” approach is BS. BTDT. You are a snake.

It isn't a "just trust me approach". The Dems have no leaders to provide us with anything and in this case, no leaders is better than having someone like Biden attempting to be a leader. The Dems are in an advantageous position because of the extremely weak and unpopular GOP POTUS and for now, that's OK. When Dems nominate their next by default leader in 2028, the strength of that leader will very much so matter because the last thing we want is for another weak Dem leader to fumble our momentum back to the GOP. Until then, there is no need to panic while we sit back and watch Trump gift the Dem Congressional seats in the mid-terms.

2026 and 2028 are slam dunks for Dems. If Dems lose 2028, they are truly lost. On one hand it would leave us with the awfulness of the MAGA. On the other, it may finally get us a Democratic Party replacement that we sorely need.

If the Dems.take 2032/2036, then they can claim a victory. Hopefully, this results in a GOP collapse that allows for a better replacement but I’m not sure. (Yes, I want to replace both major parties, preferably GOP/MAGA first.)

The real litmus test for the Dems is 2032/2036 not 2028. Of course by then we may really need to gird our loins because both current major parties want to be the only major party.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I really hope the DNC understands that many of us won't be able to get behind a candidate who is silent and unseen NOW, when our democracy is being systematically dismantled. Don't try to shove a candidate down our throats who is carefully curated but had no discernable stance when it mattered. The DNC should understand that but I'm afraid they don't.

NP. The ugly issue we have is this: the DNC is seeing internal polling indicating just how unpopular the Biden-era immigration positions really were. And, the people pushing those positions are still in leadership in the DNC.

This is a tough and nuanced issue. ICE itself employs a large number of working class Latinos. People don’t like police executions but they also do not like feeling that they are paying high taxes for benefits that illegal immigrants get while they don’t get those benefits. I’m in blue California and the undercurrent of anger about the health care and housing benefits that undocumented people get versus what is available to working and middle class people is palpable.

Right now the DNC is running almost entirely on “Trump bad.” And yes of course that is true, he is as awful and horrific as possible (I mean the fact that nothing was surprising about him out of yesterday’s Epstein release should tell us how awful he is). But “Trump bad” doesn’t substitute for leadership.

To be clear, I am extremely opposed to what ICE does and how it operates. It is wrong across the board. But I also think DCUM posters in general do not realize just how out of step they are with the rest of the country, probably because DCUM posters are very insulated in general from the impact of the DNC immigration positions.

Who cares what the DNC or RNC leadership thinks, says or does??? They don't speak for the American people. They speak first and foremost for ultra wealthy entities that donate most of the billions of dollars they piss away each election cycle. The America people have to rise up and take power back from the corrupt RNC and DNC. Ignore them and put your support behind a people's candidate in 2028.

Will there be a viable replacement for one of the current major parties for 2028?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I really hope the DNC understands that many of us won't be able to get behind a candidate who is silent and unseen NOW, when our democracy is being systematically dismantled. Don't try to shove a candidate down our throats who is carefully curated but had no discernable stance when it mattered. The DNC should understand that but I'm afraid they don't.

NP. The ugly issue we have is this: the DNC is seeing internal polling indicating just how unpopular the Biden-era immigration positions really were. And, the people pushing those positions are still in leadership in the DNC.

This is a tough and nuanced issue. ICE itself employs a large number of working class Latinos. People don’t like police executions but they also do not like feeling that they are paying high taxes for benefits that illegal immigrants get while they don’t get those benefits. I’m in blue California and the undercurrent of anger about the health care and housing benefits that undocumented people get versus what is available to working and middle class people is palpable.

Right now the DNC is running almost entirely on “Trump bad.” And yes of course that is true, he is as awful and horrific as possible (I mean the fact that nothing was surprising about him out of yesterday’s Epstein release should tell us how awful he is). But “Trump bad” doesn’t substitute for leadership.

To be clear, I am extremely opposed to what ICE does and how it operates. It is wrong across the board. But I also think DCUM posters in general do not realize just how out of step they are with the rest of the country, probably because DCUM posters are very insulated in general from the impact of the DNC immigration positions.

Who cares what the DNC or RNC leadership thinks, says or does??? They don't speak for the American people. They speak first and foremost for ultra wealthy entities that donate most of the billions of dollars they piss away each election cycle. The America people have to rise up and take power back from the corrupt RNC and DNC. Ignore them and put your support behind a people's candidate in 2028.

That’s not happening. Get your head out of the clouds.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I really hope the DNC understands that many of us won't be able to get behind a candidate who is silent and unseen NOW, when our democracy is being systematically dismantled. Don't try to shove a candidate down our throats who is carefully curated but had no discernable stance when it mattered. The DNC should understand that but I'm afraid they don't.

NP. The ugly issue we have is this: the DNC is seeing internal polling indicating just how unpopular the Biden-era immigration positions really were. And, the people pushing those positions are still in leadership in the DNC.

This is a tough and nuanced issue. ICE itself employs a large number of working class Latinos. People don’t like police executions but they also do not like feeling that they are paying high taxes for benefits that illegal immigrants get while they don’t get those benefits. I’m in blue California and the undercurrent of anger about the health care and housing benefits that undocumented people get versus what is available to working and middle class people is palpable.

Right now the DNC is running almost entirely on “Trump bad.” And yes of course that is true, he is as awful and horrific as possible (I mean the fact that nothing was surprising about him out of yesterday’s Epstein release should tell us how awful he is). But “Trump bad” doesn’t substitute for leadership.

To be clear, I am extremely opposed to what ICE does and how it operates. It is wrong across the board. But I also think DCUM posters in general do not realize just how out of step they are with the rest of the country, probably because DCUM posters are very insulated in general from the impact of the DNC immigration positions.

Who cares what the DNC or RNC leadership thinks, says or does??? They don't speak for the American people. They speak first and foremost for ultra wealthy entities that donate most of the billions of dollars they piss away each election cycle. The America people have to rise up and take power back from the corrupt RNC and DNC. Ignore them and put your support behind a people's candidate in 2028.

That’s not happening. Get your head out of the clouds.

For now were left with one or the other side of the uniparty. The current major political corporations (DNC and RNC) need each other. Their acolytes will have you believing they can never be replaced. Two party system doesn’t mean the system must include the two we have now.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I really hope the DNC understands that many of us won't be able to get behind a candidate who is silent and unseen NOW, when our democracy is being systematically dismantled. Don't try to shove a candidate down our throats who is carefully curated but had no discernable stance when it mattered. The DNC should understand that but I'm afraid they don't.

NP. The ugly issue we have is this: the DNC is seeing internal polling indicating just how unpopular the Biden-era immigration positions really were. And, the people pushing those positions are still in leadership in the DNC.

This is a tough and nuanced issue. ICE itself employs a large number of working class Latinos. People don’t like police executions but they also do not like feeling that they are paying high taxes for benefits that illegal immigrants get while they don’t get those benefits. I’m in blue California and the undercurrent of anger about the health care and housing benefits that undocumented people get versus what is available to working and middle class people is palpable.

Right now the DNC is running almost entirely on “Trump bad.” And yes of course that is true, he is as awful and horrific as possible (I mean the fact that nothing was surprising about him out of yesterday’s Epstein release should tell us how awful he is). But “Trump bad” doesn’t substitute for leadership.

To be clear, I am extremely opposed to what ICE does and how it operates. It is wrong across the board. But I also think DCUM posters in general do not realize just how out of step they are with the rest of the country, probably because DCUM posters are very insulated in general from the impact of the DNC immigration positions.

Who cares what the DNC or RNC leadership thinks, says or does??? They don't speak for the American people. They speak first and foremost for ultra wealthy entities that donate most of the billions of dollars they piss away each election cycle. The America people have to rise up and take power back from the corrupt RNC and DNC. Ignore them and put your support behind a people's candidate in 2028.

That’s not happening. Get your head out of the clouds.

For now were left with one or the other side of the uniparty. The current major political corporations (DNC and RNC) need each other. Their acolytes will have you believing they can never be replaced. Two party system doesn’t mean the system must include the two we have now.

+1000

They are private entities that should be allowed to fail when failing and the Trump era in politics is undeniable evidence of two failed entities running our political system and Federal Government. This being said; progressives and conservatives aligning behind different parties after being ruled by the same two entities for 150 years will or would be a complex transition.

[Anonymous]

It sounds really crazy but what if Barack runs again in 2028? If Trump does, he can right? He was also tough on immigration -Trumps trademark.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:It sounds really crazy but what if Barack runs again in 2028? If Trump does, he can right? He was also tough on immigration -Trumps trademark.

Tell me you’re a coastal UMC lady without telling me you’re a coastal UMC lady.

STFU with this

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I really hope the DNC understands that many of us won't be able to get behind a candidate who is silent and unseen NOW, when our democracy is being systematically dismantled. Don't try to shove a candidate down our throats who is carefully curated but had no discernable stance when it mattered. The DNC should understand that but I'm afraid they don't.

NP. The ugly issue we have is this: the DNC is seeing internal polling indicating just how unpopular the Biden-era immigration positions really were. And, the people pushing those positions are still in leadership in the DNC.

This is a tough and nuanced issue. ICE itself employs a large number of working class Latinos. People don’t like police executions but they also do not like feeling that they are paying high taxes for benefits that illegal immigrants get while they don’t get those benefits. I’m in blue California and the undercurrent of anger about the health care and housing benefits that undocumented people get versus what is available to working and middle class people is palpable.

Right now the DNC is running almost entirely on “Trump bad.” And yes of course that is true, he is as awful and horrific as possible (I mean the fact that nothing was surprising about him out of yesterday’s Epstein release should tell us how awful he is). But “Trump bad” doesn’t substitute for leadership.

To be clear, I am extremely opposed to what ICE does and how it operates. It is wrong across the board. But I also think DCUM posters in general do not realize just how out of step they are with the rest of the country, probably because DCUM posters are very insulated in general from the impact of the DNC immigration positions.

Who cares what the DNC or RNC leadership thinks, says or does??? They don't speak for the American people. They speak first and foremost for ultra wealthy entities that donate most of the billions of dollars they piss away each election cycle. The America people have to rise up and take power back from the corrupt RNC and DNC. Ignore them and put your support behind a people's candidate in 2028.

Agree. I will not vote for another establishment Dem again. If that means we lose, we lose.

[Anonymous]

The chosen candidate needs to be pragmatic, articulate, moderate, relatable, and selected for those qualities, not for belonging to a specific race, ethnicity, or gender. The candidate needs to be clear that s/he is not interested in advocating for fringe social or economic/tax positions. Losing fringe voters is far preferable to losing altogether.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:It sounds really crazy but what if Barack runs again in 2028? If Trump does, he can right? He was also tough on immigration -Trumps trademark.

We have these things called "term limits". Trump and Obama aren't eligible to run for a third term. Find a brain and read something.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I really hope the DNC understands that many of us won't be able to get behind a candidate who is silent and unseen NOW, when our democracy is being systematically dismantled. Don't try to shove a candidate down our throats who is carefully curated but had no discernable stance when it mattered. The DNC should understand that but I'm afraid they don't.

NP. The ugly issue we have is this: the DNC is seeing internal polling indicating just how unpopular the Biden-era immigration positions really were. And, the people pushing those positions are still in leadership in the DNC.

This is a tough and nuanced issue. ICE itself employs a large number of working class Latinos. People don’t like police executions but they also do not like feeling that they are paying high taxes for benefits that illegal immigrants get while they don’t get those benefits. I’m in blue California and the undercurrent of anger about the health care and housing benefits that undocumented people get versus what is available to working and middle class people is palpable.

Right now the DNC is running almost entirely on “Trump bad.” And yes of course that is true, he is as awful and horrific as possible (I mean the fact that nothing was surprising about him out of yesterday’s Epstein release should tell us how awful he is). But “Trump bad” doesn’t substitute for leadership.

To be clear, I am extremely opposed to what ICE does and how it operates. It is wrong across the board. But I also think DCUM posters in general do not realize just how out of step they are with the rest of the country, probably because DCUM posters are very insulated in general from the impact of the DNC immigration positions.

Who cares what the DNC or RNC leadership thinks, says or does??? They don't speak for the American people. They speak first and foremost for ultra wealthy entities that donate most of the billions of dollars they piss away each election cycle. The America people have to rise up and take power back from the corrupt RNC and DNC. Ignore them and put your support behind a people's candidate in 2028.

Agree. I will not vote for another establishment Dem again. If that means we lose, we lose.

The majority of people will support the people's candidate and therefore they won't "lose".