Posting as someone with direct family ties to Venezuela.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Not saying the poster is lying but there is a massive intelligence campaign going on across social media today. They all have the same rehashed talking points.

Yep. Watch the Diddy Netflix show and see how he controlled
the narrative and got off with an extremely lite sentence.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Not saying the poster is lying but there is a massive intelligence campaign going on across social media today. They all have the same rehashed talking points.

I'll say it for you op is a liar.

And if he's not well by supporting Trump's actions here you are basically saying Maduros actions were ok too

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:My wife is Venezuelan. She desperately wants to be able to go back someday—to visit safely, to see family, to recognize her own country again. Right now, that’s not possible. Much of her family is current or former military, and they want exactly what civilians want: freedom from an oppressive regime that destroyed their country from the inside.

She does not like Trump. Let’s get that out of the way. But let’s also stop pretending Venezuela is a Democrat vs. Republican issue. It’s not.

Under Maduro, people were run over by armored vehicles. Protesters were shot. Elections were a farce. The country became a narco-state while ordinary people starved or fled. That reality didn’t change depending on who was in the White House.

And for those suddenly clutching pearls about U.S. involvement—Biden continued dealings with Venezuelan oil despite repeated warnings from human-rights organizations. So please spare us the selective outrage.

China and Iran didn’t embed themselves in Venezuela out of goodwill. They wanted oil, minerals, leverage. Everyone knows this. Acting shocked now is disingenuous.

Here’s what’s missing from most of these takes: the majority of Venezuelans want the regime gone, even if that comes with hard compromises. They understand the cost because they’ve already paid it.

This isn’t about loving Trump.
It’s about wanting Venezuela back.

Who gives a shit? There are people in every country who don't like their government. If China invaded the US and overthrew the government there would be Americans posting about welcoming their new Chinese overlords. People making claims like this does not justify the US military invading a sovereign country and taking it's president hostage.

+1

I've seen things suggesting the opposition has 70% of the people in support. And I believe Maduro clearly cheated in the last election. I do think the Chavistas need to step down, regardless of whatever the US wants. The stuff going on with Machado wasn't 5 CIA plants and fake protests. There's a genuine suppression of majority will in Venezuela. That is a totally separate issue from Trump wanting the oil.

What is with all the straw man arguments? no one thinks maduro isn’t a terrible guy!

This thread alone is FULL of Maduro apologists. It’s like, “but Hitler made the trains run on time!” all over again.

You’re a lying forking idiot.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:My wife is Venezuelan. She desperately wants to be able to go back someday—to visit safely, to see family, to recognize her own country again. Right now, that’s not possible. Much of her family is current or former military, and they want exactly what civilians want: freedom from an oppressive regime that destroyed their country from the inside.

She does not like Trump. Let’s get that out of the way. But let’s also stop pretending Venezuela is a Democrat vs. Republican issue. It’s not.

Under Maduro, people were run over by armored vehicles. Protesters were shot. Elections were a farce. The country became a narco-state while ordinary people starved or fled. That reality didn’t change depending on who was in the White House.

And for those suddenly clutching pearls about U.S. involvement—Biden continued dealings with Venezuelan oil despite repeated warnings from human-rights organizations. So please spare us the selective outrage.

China and Iran didn’t embed themselves in Venezuela out of goodwill. They wanted oil, minerals, leverage. Everyone knows this. Acting shocked now is disingenuous.

Here’s what’s missing from most of these takes: the majority of Venezuelans want the regime gone, even if that comes with hard compromises. They understand the cost because they’ve already paid it.

This isn’t about loving Trump.
It’s about wanting Venezuela back.

Who gives a shit? There are people in every country who don't like their government. If China invaded the US and overthrew the government there would be Americans posting about welcoming their new Chinese overlords. People making claims like this does not justify the US military invading a sovereign country and taking it's president hostage.

+1

I've seen things suggesting the opposition has 70% of the people in support. And I believe Maduro clearly cheated in the last election. I do think the Chavistas need to step down, regardless of whatever the US wants. The stuff going on with Machado wasn't 5 CIA plants and fake protests. There's a genuine suppression of majority will in Venezuela. That is a totally separate issue from Trump wanting the oil.

What is with all the straw man arguments? no one thinks maduro isn’t a terrible guy!

This thread alone is FULL of Maduro apologists. It’s like, “but Hitler made the trains run on time!” all over again.

Lmao.

[Anonymous]

I'm Colombian and terrified of what this means for Colombia. I don't love Petro but he is no Maduro. Do not want a US invasion.

[Anonymous]

OP, is it your position that the ends justify the means no matter what? And if he doesn’t stop with liberation and moves on to occupation?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:My wife is Venezuelan. She desperately wants to be able to go back someday—to visit safely, to see family, to recognize her own country again. Right now, that’s not possible. Much of her family is current or former military, and they want exactly what civilians want: freedom from an oppressive regime that destroyed their country from the inside.

She does not like Trump. Let’s get that out of the way. But let’s also stop pretending Venezuela is a Democrat vs. Republican issue. It’s not.

Under Maduro, people were run over by armored vehicles. Protesters were shot. Elections were a farce. The country became a narco-state while ordinary people starved or fled. That reality didn’t change depending on who was in the White House.

And for those suddenly clutching pearls about U.S. involvement—Biden continued dealings with Venezuelan oil despite repeated warnings from human-rights organizations. So please spare us the selective outrage.

China and Iran didn’t embed themselves in Venezuela out of goodwill. They wanted oil, minerals, leverage. Everyone knows this. Acting shocked now is disingenuous.

Here’s what’s missing from most of these takes: the majority of Venezuelans want the regime gone, even if that comes with hard compromises. They understand the cost because they’ve already paid it.

This isn’t about loving Trump.
It’s about wanting Venezuela back.

Thanks for your post, OP. Yes - it seems that nearly all of those protesting the arrest of Maduro are NOT from Venezuela, have no ties to Venezuela, and know nothing of the horrible conditions in which the Venezuelan people have been forced to live.

This is good for Venezuela, good for the US, and good for the whole region.
Venezuela deserves to return to the beautiful, free country it once was. That is not possible under Maduro.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:My wife is Venezuelan. She desperately wants to be able to go back someday—to visit safely, to see family, to recognize her own country again. Right now, that’s not possible. Much of her family is current or former military, and they want exactly what civilians want: freedom from an oppressive regime that destroyed their country from the inside.

She does not like Trump. Let’s get that out of the way. But let’s also stop pretending Venezuela is a Democrat vs. Republican issue. It’s not.

Under Maduro, people were run over by armored vehicles. Protesters were shot. Elections were a farce. The country became a narco-state while ordinary people starved or fled. That reality didn’t change depending on who was in the White House.

And for those suddenly clutching pearls about U.S. involvement—Biden continued dealings with Venezuelan oil despite repeated warnings from human-rights organizations. So please spare us the selective outrage.

China and Iran didn’t embed themselves in Venezuela out of goodwill. They wanted oil, minerals, leverage. Everyone knows this. Acting shocked now is disingenuous.

Here’s what’s missing from most of these takes: the majority of Venezuelans want the regime gone, even if that comes with hard compromises. They understand the cost because they’ve already paid it.

This isn’t about loving Trump.
It’s about wanting Venezuela back.

Thanks for your post, OP. Yes - it seems that nearly all of those protesting the arrest of Maduro are NOT from Venezuela, have no ties to Venezuela, and know nothing of the horrible conditions in which the Venezuelan people have been forced to live.

This is good for Venezuela, good for the US, and good for the whole region.
Venezuela deserves to return to the beautiful, free country it once was. That is not possible under Maduro.

Did you get all of your scripted talking points in?

It’s still illegal and you still have no proof of anything you’ve said, BTW.

[Anonymous]

If only there was some history of US regime change efforts and how those worked out for those countries and for the US that we could look to to understand the risks of these types of strategies s/

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I'm Colombian and terrified of what this means for Colombia. I don't love Petro but he is no Maduro. Do not want a US invasion.

I agree that this threatens the region. I think he would invade Nicaragua before he would invade Colombia, though because Ortega was not elected and Petro was.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I'm Colombian and terrified of what this means for Colombia. I don't love Petro but he is no Maduro. Do not want a US invasion.

I agree that this threatens the region. I think he would invade Nicaragua before he would invade Colombia, though because Ortega was not elected and Petro was.

But he is threatening Colombia, not Nicaragua

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:My wife is Venezuelan. She desperately wants to be able to go back someday—to visit safely, to see family, to recognize her own country again. Right now, that’s not possible. Much of her family is current or former military, and they want exactly what civilians want: freedom from an oppressive regime that destroyed their country from the inside.

She does not like Trump. Let’s get that out of the way. But let’s also stop pretending Venezuela is a Democrat vs. Republican issue. It’s not.

Under Maduro, people were run over by armored vehicles. Protesters were shot. Elections were a farce. The country became a narco-state while ordinary people starved or fled. That reality didn’t change depending on who was in the White House.

And for those suddenly clutching pearls about U.S. involvement—Biden continued dealings with Venezuelan oil despite repeated warnings from human-rights organizations. So please spare us the selective outrage.

China and Iran didn’t embed themselves in Venezuela out of goodwill. They wanted oil, minerals, leverage. Everyone knows this. Acting shocked now is disingenuous.

Here’s what’s missing from most of these takes: the majority of Venezuelans want the regime gone, even if that comes with hard compromises. They understand the cost because they’ve already paid it.

This isn’t about loving Trump.
It’s about wanting Venezuela back.

Thanks for your post, OP. Yes - it seems that nearly all of those protesting the arrest of Maduro are NOT from Venezuela, have no ties to Venezuela, and know nothing of the horrible conditions in which the Venezuelan people have been forced to live.

This is good for Venezuela, good for the US, and good for the whole region.
Venezuela deserves to return to the beautiful, free country it once was. That is not possible under Maduro.

You are on a fool if you think this was about anything but Venezuela! Trump could care less about the US or Venezuela. This was good for Trump's ego, his political priorities and wallet. Venezuela will return to a hot mess of a leaderless country - cause if you think Maria Noble Prize winner gets to lead it I have some ice to sell you - Trump needs someone he can push around to "be in control" but of course it's Trump that heads up that country now. Venezuela may be rid of Maduro but all that means is they have US running it, no longer a sovereign independent country of their own. You bet that anything financially viable will be robbed from Venezuela.

I understand why everyone from that country is happy but they are too emotional to see the big pic. I have expectations that a non Venezuelan is a bit more clear headed?

Give them a month or so and they will hate the US even more than all the other countries in the world...

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:My wife is Venezuelan. She desperately wants to be able to go back someday—to visit safely, to see family, to recognize her own country again. Right now, that’s not possible. Much of her family is current or former military, and they want exactly what civilians want: freedom from an oppressive regime that destroyed their country from the inside.

She does not like Trump. Let’s get that out of the way. But let’s also stop pretending Venezuela is a Democrat vs. Republican issue. It’s not.

Under Maduro, people were run over by armored vehicles. Protesters were shot. Elections were a farce. The country became a narco-state while ordinary people starved or fled. That reality didn’t change depending on who was in the White House.

And for those suddenly clutching pearls about U.S. involvement—Biden continued dealings with Venezuelan oil despite repeated warnings from human-rights organizations. So please spare us the selective outrage.

China and Iran didn’t embed themselves in Venezuela out of goodwill. They wanted oil, minerals, leverage. Everyone knows this. Acting shocked now is disingenuous.

Here’s what’s missing from most of these takes: the majority of Venezuelans want the regime gone, even if that comes with hard compromises. They understand the cost because they’ve already paid it.

This isn’t about loving Trump.
It’s about wanting Venezuela back.

Thanks for your post, OP. Yes - it seems that nearly all of those protesting the arrest of Maduro are NOT from Venezuela, have no ties to Venezuela, and know nothing of the horrible conditions in which the Venezuelan people have been forced to live.

This is good for Venezuela, good for the US, and good for the whole region.
Venezuela deserves to return to the beautiful, free country it once was. That is not possible under Maduro.

You are on a fool if you think this was about anything but Venezuela! Trump could care less about the US or Venezuela. This was good for Trump's ego, his political priorities and wallet. Venezuela will return to a hot mess of a leaderless country - cause if you think Maria Noble Prize winner gets to lead it I have some ice to sell you - Trump needs someone he can push around to "be in control" but of course it's Trump that heads up that country now. Venezuela may be rid of Maduro but all that means is they have US running it, no longer a sovereign independent country of their own. You bet that anything financially viable will be robbed from Venezuela.

I understand why everyone from that country is happy but they are too emotional to see the big pic. I have expectations that a non Venezuelan is a bit more clear headed?

Give them a month or so and they will hate the US even more than all the other countries in the world...

I am bookmarking this so I can come back and say I told you so.
You are clueless and so biased that you cannot see the reality here.
It will take time, but Venezuela will return to a vibrant, free nation in the not too distant future. They will have FAIR and FREE elections and choose someone who will lead them on a path to prosperity.
Maduro is responsible for the deaths of Americans and Venezuelan citizens. His reign has caused over 7 million Venezuelans to flee their country - many coming to the US. So, yes - he has had a direct impact on our country. He sold diplomatic passports to drug lords so they could import drugs with very little accountability.
It was just a couple years ago that DEMOCRAT politicians were calling for the ouster of Maduro. But, since it was Trump that got it done, they are complaining. So damned predictable.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:My wife is Venezuelan. She desperately wants to be able to go back someday—to visit safely, to see family, to recognize her own country again. Right now, that’s not possible. Much of her family is current or former military, and they want exactly what civilians want: freedom from an oppressive regime that destroyed their country from the inside.

She does not like Trump. Let’s get that out of the way. But let’s also stop pretending Venezuela is a Democrat vs. Republican issue. It’s not.

Under Maduro, people were run over by armored vehicles. Protesters were shot. Elections were a farce. The country became a narco-state while ordinary people starved or fled. That reality didn’t change depending on who was in the White House.

And for those suddenly clutching pearls about U.S. involvement—Biden continued dealings with Venezuelan oil despite repeated warnings from human-rights organizations. So please spare us the selective outrage.

China and Iran didn’t embed themselves in Venezuela out of goodwill. They wanted oil, minerals, leverage. Everyone knows this. Acting shocked now is disingenuous.

Here’s what’s missing from most of these takes: the majority of Venezuelans want the regime gone, even if that comes with hard compromises. They understand the cost because they’ve already paid it.

This isn’t about loving Trump.
It’s about wanting Venezuela back.

Thanks for your post, OP. Yes - it seems that nearly all of those protesting the arrest of Maduro are NOT from Venezuela, have no ties to Venezuela, and know nothing of the horrible conditions in which the Venezuelan people have been forced to live.

This is good for Venezuela, good for the US, and good for the whole region.
Venezuela deserves to return to the beautiful, free country it once was. That is not possible under Maduro.

You are on a fool if you think this was about anything but Venezuela! Trump could care less about the US or Venezuela. This was good for Trump's ego, his political priorities and wallet. Venezuela will return to a hot mess of a leaderless country - cause if you think Maria Noble Prize winner gets to lead it I have some ice to sell you - Trump needs someone he can push around to "be in control" but of course it's Trump that heads up that country now. Venezuela may be rid of Maduro but all that means is they have US running it, no longer a sovereign independent country of their own. You bet that anything financially viable will be robbed from Venezuela.

I understand why everyone from that country is happy but they are too emotional to see the big pic. I have expectations that a non Venezuelan is a bit more clear headed?

Give them a month or so and they will hate the US even more than all the other countries in the world...

I am bookmarking this so I can come back and say I told you so.
You are clueless and so biased that you cannot see the reality here.
It will take time, but Venezuela will return to a vibrant, free nation in the not too distant future. They will have FAIR and FREE elections and choose someone who will lead them on a path to prosperity.
Maduro is responsible for the deaths of Americans and Venezuelan citizens. His reign has caused over 7 million Venezuelans to flee their country - many coming to the US. So, yes - he has had a direct impact on our country. He sold diplomatic passports to drug lords so they could import drugs with very little accountability.
It was just a couple years ago that DEMOCRAT politicians were calling for the ouster of Maduro. But, since it was Trump that got it done, they are complaining. So damned predictable.

DP. This is a crazy statement. Maduro’s people are still in control of Venezuela and the Republicans have said there will be no elections in Venezuela. This is about exploiting the natural resources of Venezuela by Trump and republicans for personal gain.

At some point you actually have to listen to what the republicans say and base things on their actions not your fantasy world.

Prove me wrong bro.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:My wife is Venezuelan. She desperately wants to be able to go back someday—to visit safely, to see family, to recognize her own country again. Right now, that’s not possible. Much of her family is current or former military, and they want exactly what civilians want: freedom from an oppressive regime that destroyed their country from the inside.

She does not like Trump. Let’s get that out of the way. But let’s also stop pretending Venezuela is a Democrat vs. Republican issue. It’s not.

Under Maduro, people were run over by armored vehicles. Protesters were shot. Elections were a farce. The country became a narco-state while ordinary people starved or fled. That reality didn’t change depending on who was in the White House.

And for those suddenly clutching pearls about U.S. involvement—Biden continued dealings with Venezuelan oil despite repeated warnings from human-rights organizations. So please spare us the selective outrage.

China and Iran didn’t embed themselves in Venezuela out of goodwill. They wanted oil, minerals, leverage. Everyone knows this. Acting shocked now is disingenuous.

Here’s what’s missing from most of these takes: the majority of Venezuelans want the regime gone, even if that comes with hard compromises. They understand the cost because they’ve already paid it.

This isn’t about loving Trump.
It’s about wanting Venezuela back.

Thanks for your post, OP. Yes - it seems that nearly all of those protesting the arrest of Maduro are NOT from Venezuela, have no ties to Venezuela, and know nothing of the horrible conditions in which the Venezuelan people have been forced to live.

This is good for Venezuela, good for the US, and good for the whole region.
Venezuela deserves to return to the beautiful, free country it once was. That is not possible under Maduro.

You are on a fool if you think this was about anything but Venezuela! Trump could care less about the US or Venezuela. This was good for Trump's ego, his political priorities and wallet. Venezuela will return to a hot mess of a leaderless country - cause if you think Maria Noble Prize winner gets to lead it I have some ice to sell you - Trump needs someone he can push around to "be in control" but of course it's Trump that heads up that country now. Venezuela may be rid of Maduro but all that means is they have US running it, no longer a sovereign independent country of their own. You bet that anything financially viable will be robbed from Venezuela.

I understand why everyone from that country is happy but they are too emotional to see the big pic. I have expectations that a non Venezuelan is a bit more clear headed?

Give them a month or so and they will hate the US even more than all the other countries in the world...

I am bookmarking this so I can come back and say I told you so.
You are clueless and so biased that you cannot see the reality here.
It will take time, but Venezuela will return to a vibrant, free nation in the not too distant future. They will have FAIR and FREE elections and choose someone who will lead them on a path to prosperity.
Maduro is responsible for the deaths of Americans and Venezuelan citizens. His reign has caused over 7 million Venezuelans to flee their country - many coming to the US. So, yes - he has had a direct impact on our country. He sold diplomatic passports to drug lords so they could import drugs with very little accountability.
It was just a couple years ago that DEMOCRAT politicians were calling for the ouster of Maduro. But, since it was Trump that got it done, they are complaining. So damned predictable.

Please do.... there will be no regime change. None of this will happen.