APS ending block scheduling?

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Anonymous wrote:There are many kids at HB who come not knowing English at all. The big difference in my experience (have 1 at HB, 1 at a countywide) is that the teachers care more. A lot of teachers at countywide don’t care or are overworked and checked out.

Sure, but they don’t enter HB in February of 10th/11th/12th grade. What part of that don’t you understand?

Yes they do! What part of this don't YOU understand?

They do not. In the event a spot opens up it goes to someone on the waitlist

You just don't know what you don't know. Keep spewing your ignorance.

So you are suggesting a family moves to the US and into APS, and they transfer to HBW by bypassing the hundreds long waitlist?? So there are HBW back doors, which has been hinted at before?

there is a program for English learners but if a new refugee family moves here in March, those kids are not going to show up at the doorstep of HB in March and get a seat.

Not a backdoor at all, there is a program for English learners. Unless you consider that a backdoor, I don't.

Oh so a moment ago you didn't even know this program exists and now you're an expert on what they don't do? Give me a break! Go have a seat and let the adults who have a clue talk.

That is a different poster. So the scenario you describe is someone leaves HBW who is part of this programs and that same month, a new family immigrates and takes their spot and there is no waitlist for English language learners? Can you link to this program? I actually have trouble with my English too all of a sudden.

NP and this is also fascinating to me. Please provide more info. I did a search of APS website and this is mentioned nowhere.

Why do you feel entitled to more info on this? The people who need it have it. You are clearly not in need of these services.

Is this for real? We’re all entitled to transparent information about taxpayer funded school programs and policies.

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Anonymous wrote:There are many kids at HB who come not knowing English at all. The big difference in my experience (have 1 at HB, 1 at a countywide) is that the teachers care more. A lot of teachers at countywide don’t care or are overworked and checked out.

Sure, but they don’t enter HB in February of 10th/11th/12th grade. What part of that don’t you understand?

Yes they do! What part of this don't YOU understand?

They do not. In the event a spot opens up it goes to someone on the waitlist

You just don't know what you don't know. Keep spewing your ignorance.

So you are suggesting a family moves to the US and into APS, and they transfer to HBW by bypassing the hundreds long waitlist?? So there are HBW back doors, which has been hinted at before?

there is a program for English learners but if a new refugee family moves here in March, those kids are not going to show up at the doorstep of HB in March and get a seat.

Not a backdoor at all, there is a program for English learners. Unless you consider that a backdoor, I don't.

Oh so a moment ago you didn't even know this program exists and now you're an expert on what they don't do? Give me a break! Go have a seat and let the adults who have a clue talk.

That is a different poster. So the scenario you describe is someone leaves HBW who is part of this programs and that same month, a new family immigrates and takes their spot and there is no waitlist for English language learners? Can you link to this program? I actually have trouble with my English too all of a sudden.

NP and this is also fascinating to me. Please provide more info. I did a search of APS website and this is mentioned nowhere.

Why do you feel entitled to more info on this? The people who need it have it. You are clearly not in need of these services.

If there truly exists a backdoor into a highly coveted APS option program—one that bypasses the hundreds‑long waiting list and lottery—then it must be transparently published as documented policy. Otherwise, it undermines trust in the system. I personally think you are lying, just suggesting such a pathway without evidence feels like an attempt to deflect from the valid criticism that HBW avoids the challenge of serving day‑one English language learners, unlike the neighborhood schools that shoulder that responsibility.

HB parent here.
There are SO MANY back doors to HBW according to DCUM.
siblings
new off the boat
child of somebody connected to the school, school board, the Trumps...
some special child who is the most delicate of flowers
child of people who bribed somebody but the who to bribe person is never mentioned
child with (fill in the blank) special needs but other (fill in the blank) special needs never, ever, ever win the lottery
children who can't speak English in 6th grade.

I'm sure I"m missing somebody. Oh, that's right. The 100% who get in through the weird a $ $ lottery that is based on ES seats.

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Anonymous wrote:There are many kids at HB who come not knowing English at all. The big difference in my experience (have 1 at HB, 1 at a countywide) is that the teachers care more. A lot of teachers at countywide don’t care or are overworked and checked out.

Sure, but they don’t enter HB in February of 10th/11th/12th grade. What part of that don’t you understand?

Yes they do! What part of this don't YOU understand?

They do not. In the event a spot opens up it goes to someone on the waitlist

You just don't know what you don't know. Keep spewing your ignorance.

So you are suggesting a family moves to the US and into APS, and they transfer to HBW by bypassing the hundreds long waitlist?? So there are HBW back doors, which has been hinted at before?

there is a program for English learners but if a new refugee family moves here in March, those kids are not going to show up at the doorstep of HB in March and get a seat.

Not a backdoor at all, there is a program for English learners. Unless you consider that a backdoor, I don't.

Oh so a moment ago you didn't even know this program exists and now you're an expert on what they don't do? Give me a break! Go have a seat and let the adults who have a clue talk.

That is a different poster. So the scenario you describe is someone leaves HBW who is part of this programs and that same month, a new family immigrates and takes their spot and there is no waitlist for English language learners? Can you link to this program? I actually have trouble with my English too all of a sudden.

NP and this is also fascinating to me. Please provide more info. I did a search of APS website and this is mentioned nowhere.

Why do you feel entitled to more info on this? The people who need it have it. You are clearly not in need of these services.

Is this for real? We’re all entitled to transparent information about taxpayer funded school programs and policies.

Look weirdo conspiricy theorist who probably has an 11th grade education, it's all in the budget. Including transfers, and where they come from. Your kid didn't get into HBW b/c they weren't special enough, did not bribe the right person, speaks the English too well and isn't the right kind of sped kid. Sorry but the fact is, you just didn't win the lottery and hate the two who got in from your school. Go decorate for the holidays. You might feel better after.

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Anonymous wrote:I’m a teacher. Learning to teach blocks was hard. Takes a lot of creativity to keep them engaged and keep it moving, and it’s important to do so- 90 minutes is long. As a parent, there are advantages and disadvantages to both. Would love math and language every day. Also like that my kid can focus on homework and prep for 3-4 classes a day instead of 7. I think I could go back, but I do wish we’d pick a lane.

You supposed to give them time to do class work so there is no homework.

In my experience this seems to result in kids doing a lot more self teaching. I had daily 45 minute classes and the teachers would instruct for pretty much all of every class. We then did practice at home as homework. With block scheduling, it seems that teachers only offer instruction for the same 45 minutes or so every class, even with a 90 minute block, because that's as long as kids can focus. So then kids use the second half of the block to do homework. But since classes are only every other day, kids then end up learning missed content from YouTube or other videos and websites. It seems like a really flawed model. My kid has come home so many times with math that she says the teacher never showed them how to do. That never happened when I was a kid. The homework matched the lesson.

Word to the wise, poke around a bit more. When my kid says things like this to me, I say wow the teacher never taught you the material, I am going to email them and ask what is going on. (Because if this is true, you in fact should say something and advocate for your child.) Then my kid backpedals. A lot of the time, the real story is your kid is screwing around in class and not paying attention. Your kid zoned out. Or your kid didn't get it and then what they need to do is advocate for themselves and follow up with the teacher or yes, follow up at home on their own.

Do you really think teachers are in the habit of handing out homework that they never showed the kids how to do? That would be gross incompetence. If that's what is going on, do something about it.

When my kid says something wasn't taught in class, she's usually already checked with friends, who don't know how to do it either. I'll teach my kid and then she calls her friends to explain it to them. So yeah, I do believe her. It's also been verified by other parents, who were all discussing finding tutors at our last happy hour.

Say something to your school instead of exchanging teaching tips at happy hour.

Reading comprehension, please. Parents weren't discussing teaching tips, but asking each other for tutor recommendations.

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Anonymous wrote:There are many kids at HB who come not knowing English at all. The big difference in my experience (have 1 at HB, 1 at a countywide) is that the teachers care more. A lot of teachers at countywide don’t care or are overworked and checked out.

Sure, but they don’t enter HB in February of 10th/11th/12th grade. What part of that don’t you understand?

Yes they do! What part of this don't YOU understand?

They do not. In the event a spot opens up it goes to someone on the waitlist

You just don't know what you don't know. Keep spewing your ignorance.

So you are suggesting a family moves to the US and into APS, and they transfer to HBW by bypassing the hundreds long waitlist?? So there are HBW back doors, which has been hinted at before?

there is a program for English learners but if a new refugee family moves here in March, those kids are not going to show up at the doorstep of HB in March and get a seat.

Not a backdoor at all, there is a program for English learners. Unless you consider that a backdoor, I don't.

Oh so a moment ago you didn't even know this program exists and now you're an expert on what they don't do? Give me a break! Go have a seat and let the adults who have a clue talk.

That is a different poster. So the scenario you describe is someone leaves HBW who is part of this programs and that same month, a new family immigrates and takes their spot and there is no waitlist for English language learners? Can you link to this program? I actually have trouble with my English too all of a sudden.

NP and this is also fascinating to me. Please provide more info. I did a search of APS website and this is mentioned nowhere.

Why do you feel entitled to more info on this? The people who need it have it. You are clearly not in need of these services.

If there truly exists a backdoor into a highly coveted APS option program—one that bypasses the hundreds‑long waiting list and lottery—then it must be transparently published as documented policy. Otherwise, it undermines trust in the system. I personally think you are lying, just suggesting such a pathway without evidence feels like an attempt to deflect from the valid criticism that HBW avoids the challenge of serving day‑one English language learners, unlike the neighborhood schools that shoulder that responsibility.

I could care less that you think I'm lying. You were wrong, I told you so, you don't believe me, that's your problem.

If you want to find published info on this, it's out there. go find it yourself.

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Anonymous wrote:I’m a teacher. Learning to teach blocks was hard. Takes a lot of creativity to keep them engaged and keep it moving, and it’s important to do so- 90 minutes is long. As a parent, there are advantages and disadvantages to both. Would love math and language every day. Also like that my kid can focus on homework and prep for 3-4 classes a day instead of 7. I think I could go back, but I do wish we’d pick a lane.

You supposed to give them time to do class work so there is no homework.

In my experience this seems to result in kids doing a lot more self teaching. I had daily 45 minute classes and the teachers would instruct for pretty much all of every class. We then did practice at home as homework. With block scheduling, it seems that teachers only offer instruction for the same 45 minutes or so every class, even with a 90 minute block, because that's as long as kids can focus. So then kids use the second half of the block to do homework. But since classes are only every other day, kids then end up learning missed content from YouTube or other videos and websites. It seems like a really flawed model. My kid has come home so many times with math that she says the teacher never showed them how to do. That never happened when I was a kid. The homework matched the lesson.

Word to the wise, poke around a bit more. When my kid says things like this to me, I say wow the teacher never taught you the material, I am going to email them and ask what is going on. (Because if this is true, you in fact should say something and advocate for your child.) Then my kid backpedals. A lot of the time, the real story is your kid is screwing around in class and not paying attention. Your kid zoned out. Or your kid didn't get it and then what they need to do is advocate for themselves and follow up with the teacher or yes, follow up at home on their own.

Do you really think teachers are in the habit of handing out homework that they never showed the kids how to do? That would be gross incompetence. If that's what is going on, do something about it.

When my kid says something wasn't taught in class, she's usually already checked with friends, who don't know how to do it either. I'll teach my kid and then she calls her friends to explain it to them. So yeah, I do believe her. It's also been verified by other parents, who were all discussing finding tutors at our last happy hour.

Say something to your school instead of exchanging teaching tips at happy hour.

Reading comprehension, please. Parents weren't discussing teaching tips, but asking each other for tutor recommendations.

Tutor recommendations is teaching tips. The teacher is not covering content with your children (you say) and you are hiring tutors to teach your kids instead.

However, that is beside the point. The point is say something to your school principal.

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Anonymous wrote:There are many kids at HB who come not knowing English at all. The big difference in my experience (have 1 at HB, 1 at a countywide) is that the teachers care more. A lot of teachers at countywide don’t care or are overworked and checked out.

Sure, but they don’t enter HB in February of 10th/11th/12th grade. What part of that don’t you understand?

Yes they do! What part of this don't YOU understand?

They do not. In the event a spot opens up it goes to someone on the waitlist

You just don't know what you don't know. Keep spewing your ignorance.

So you are suggesting a family moves to the US and into APS, and they transfer to HBW by bypassing the hundreds long waitlist?? So there are HBW back doors, which has been hinted at before?

there is a program for English learners but if a new refugee family moves here in March, those kids are not going to show up at the doorstep of HB in March and get a seat.

Not a backdoor at all, there is a program for English learners. Unless you consider that a backdoor, I don't.

Oh so a moment ago you didn't even know this program exists and now you're an expert on what they don't do? Give me a break! Go have a seat and let the adults who have a clue talk.

That is a different poster. So the scenario you describe is someone leaves HBW who is part of this programs and that same month, a new family immigrates and takes their spot and there is no waitlist for English language learners? Can you link to this program? I actually have trouble with my English too all of a sudden.

NP and this is also fascinating to me. Please provide more info. I did a search of APS website and this is mentioned nowhere.

Why do you feel entitled to more info on this? The people who need it have it. You are clearly not in need of these services.

Is this for real? We’re all entitled to transparent information about taxpayer funded school programs and policies.

Look weirdo conspiricy theorist who probably has an 11th grade education, it's all in the budget. Including transfers, and where they come from. Your kid didn't get into HBW b/c they weren't special enough, did not bribe the right person, speaks the English too well and isn't the right kind of sped kid. Sorry but the fact is, you just didn't win the lottery and hate the two who got in from your school. Go decorate for the holidays. You might feel better after.

I found it for the PP, which took me all of 3 minutes. It's a tiny footnote on one table in the budget. Why be such a jerk about it though. I don't get it. It's not a conspiracy theory for people to say they want to see information. Share the information with people. I don't see mention of this policy anywhere else on APS website.

"Schools that accept enrollment through a lottery process can also include students from the Secondary Program for Students with Autism (Grade 6 to 12) and H.S. HILT students
(English Learners) enter through the year (Grade 9 to 12). H-B Woodlawn is an example of such a school."

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Anonymous wrote:There are many kids at HB who come not knowing English at all. The big difference in my experience (have 1 at HB, 1 at a countywide) is that the teachers care more. A lot of teachers at countywide don’t care or are overworked and checked out.

Sure, but they don’t enter HB in February of 10th/11th/12th grade. What part of that don’t you understand?

Yes they do! What part of this don't YOU understand?

They do not. In the event a spot opens up it goes to someone on the waitlist

You just don't know what you don't know. Keep spewing your ignorance.

So you are suggesting a family moves to the US and into APS, and they transfer to HBW by bypassing the hundreds long waitlist?? So there are HBW back doors, which has been hinted at before?

there is a program for English learners but if a new refugee family moves here in March, those kids are not going to show up at the doorstep of HB in March and get a seat.

Not a backdoor at all, there is a program for English learners. Unless you consider that a backdoor, I don't.

Oh so a moment ago you didn't even know this program exists and now you're an expert on what they don't do? Give me a break! Go have a seat and let the adults who have a clue talk.

That is a different poster. So the scenario you describe is someone leaves HBW who is part of this programs and that same month, a new family immigrates and takes their spot and there is no waitlist for English language learners? Can you link to this program? I actually have trouble with my English too all of a sudden.

NP and this is also fascinating to me. Please provide more info. I did a search of APS website and this is mentioned nowhere.

Why do you feel entitled to more info on this? The people who need it have it. You are clearly not in need of these services.

Is this for real? We’re all entitled to transparent information about taxpayer funded school programs and policies.

Look weirdo conspiricy theorist who probably has an 11th grade education, it's all in the budget. Including transfers, and where they come from. Your kid didn't get into HBW b/c they weren't special enough, did not bribe the right person, speaks the English too well and isn't the right kind of sped kid. Sorry but the fact is, you just didn't win the lottery and hate the two who got in from your school. Go decorate for the holidays. You might feel better after.

I found it for the PP, which took me all of 3 minutes. It's a tiny footnote on one table in the budget. Why be such a jerk about it though. I don't get it. It's not a conspiracy theory for people to say they want to see information. Share the information with people. I don't see mention of this policy anywhere else on APS website.

"Schools that accept enrollment through a lottery process can also include students from the Secondary Program for Students with Autism (Grade 6 to 12) and H.S. HILT students
(English Learners) enter through the year (Grade 9 to 12). H-B Woodlawn is an example of such a school."

Not the PP but it probably had to do with being accused of lying just because the poster was too lazy to do what you did and find it themselves!

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Anonymous wrote:There are many kids at HB who come not knowing English at all. The big difference in my experience (have 1 at HB, 1 at a countywide) is that the teachers care more. A lot of teachers at countywide don’t care or are overworked and checked out.

Sure, but they don’t enter HB in February of 10th/11th/12th grade. What part of that don’t you understand?

Yes they do! What part of this don't YOU understand?

They do not. In the event a spot opens up it goes to someone on the waitlist

You just don't know what you don't know. Keep spewing your ignorance.

So you are suggesting a family moves to the US and into APS, and they transfer to HBW by bypassing the hundreds long waitlist?? So there are HBW back doors, which has been hinted at before?

there is a program for English learners but if a new refugee family moves here in March, those kids are not going to show up at the doorstep of HB in March and get a seat.

Not a backdoor at all, there is a program for English learners. Unless you consider that a backdoor, I don't.

Oh so a moment ago you didn't even know this program exists and now you're an expert on what they don't do? Give me a break! Go have a seat and let the adults who have a clue talk.

That is a different poster. So the scenario you describe is someone leaves HBW who is part of this programs and that same month, a new family immigrates and takes their spot and there is no waitlist for English language learners? Can you link to this program? I actually have trouble with my English too all of a sudden.

NP and this is also fascinating to me. Please provide more info. I did a search of APS website and this is mentioned nowhere.

Why do you feel entitled to more info on this? The people who need it have it. You are clearly not in need of these services.

Is this for real? We’re all entitled to transparent information about taxpayer funded school programs and policies.

Look weirdo conspiricy theorist who probably has an 11th grade education, it's all in the budget. Including transfers, and where they come from. Your kid didn't get into HBW b/c they weren't special enough, did not bribe the right person, speaks the English too well and isn't the right kind of sped kid. Sorry but the fact is, you just didn't win the lottery and hate the two who got in from your school. Go decorate for the holidays. You might feel better after.

I found it for the PP, which took me all of 3 minutes. It's a tiny footnote on one table in the budget. Why be such a jerk about it though. I don't get it. It's not a conspiracy theory for people to say they want to see information. Share the information with people. I don't see mention of this policy anywhere else on APS website.

"Schools that accept enrollment through a lottery process can also include students from the Secondary Program for Students with Autism (Grade 6 to 12) and H.S. HILT students
(English Learners) enter through the year (Grade 9 to 12). H-B Woodlawn is an example of such a school."

Not the PP but it probably had to do with being accused of lying just because the poster was too lazy to do what you did and find it themselves!

It sounded like a bit of a stretch and it's not great that the only mention of this is buried in a footnote in a table in a budget book and it's only mentioned obliquely without a fuller explanation. Of course this is intentional on APS's part because they likely know it would be inflammatory. How is APS deciding which ESL kids even get the HB slot? What is the process? How many are we talking about? And then why drop the clue it's in the budget book and not just provide the info? My question still stands. Why so defensive and not wanting to share information?

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Anonymous wrote:There are many kids at HB who come not knowing English at all. The big difference in my experience (have 1 at HB, 1 at a countywide) is that the teachers care more. A lot of teachers at countywide don’t care or are overworked and checked out.

Sure, but they don’t enter HB in February of 10th/11th/12th grade. What part of that don’t you understand?

Yes they do! What part of this don't YOU understand?

They do not. In the event a spot opens up it goes to someone on the waitlist

You just don't know what you don't know. Keep spewing your ignorance.

So you are suggesting a family moves to the US and into APS, and they transfer to HBW by bypassing the hundreds long waitlist?? So there are HBW back doors, which has been hinted at before?

there is a program for English learners but if a new refugee family moves here in March, those kids are not going to show up at the doorstep of HB in March and get a seat.

Not a backdoor at all, there is a program for English learners. Unless you consider that a backdoor, I don't.

Oh so a moment ago you didn't even know this program exists and now you're an expert on what they don't do? Give me a break! Go have a seat and let the adults who have a clue talk.

That is a different poster. So the scenario you describe is someone leaves HBW who is part of this programs and that same month, a new family immigrates and takes their spot and there is no waitlist for English language learners? Can you link to this program? I actually have trouble with my English too all of a sudden.

NP and this is also fascinating to me. Please provide more info. I did a search of APS website and this is mentioned nowhere.

Why do you feel entitled to more info on this? The people who need it have it. You are clearly not in need of these services.

Is this for real? We’re all entitled to transparent information about taxpayer funded school programs and policies.

Look weirdo conspiricy theorist who probably has an 11th grade education, it's all in the budget. Including transfers, and where they come from. Your kid didn't get into HBW b/c they weren't special enough, did not bribe the right person, speaks the English too well and isn't the right kind of sped kid. Sorry but the fact is, you just didn't win the lottery and hate the two who got in from your school. Go decorate for the holidays. You might feel better after.

I found it for the PP, which took me all of 3 minutes. It's a tiny footnote on one table in the budget. Why be such a jerk about it though. I don't get it. It's not a conspiracy theory for people to say they want to see information. Share the information with people. I don't see mention of this policy anywhere else on APS website.

"Schools that accept enrollment through a lottery process can also include students from the Secondary Program for Students with Autism (Grade 6 to 12) and H.S. HILT students
(English Learners) enter through the year (Grade 9 to 12). H-B Woodlawn is an example of such a school."

Not the PP but it probably had to do with being accused of lying just because the poster was too lazy to do what you did and find it themselves!

It sounded like a bit of a stretch and it's not great that the only mention of this is buried in a footnote in a table in a budget book and it's only mentioned obliquely without a fuller explanation. Of course this is intentional on APS's part because they likely know it would be inflammatory. How is APS deciding which ESL kids even get the HB slot? What is the process? How many are we talking about? And then why drop the clue it's in the budget book and not just provide the info? My question still stands. Why so defensive and not wanting to share information?

Seems APS is trying to hide this policy/program and this poster didn't sound too eager to share it either beyond using it to make their point which I still think is doubtful that HB is somehow carrying it's fair share of the ESL student load. The existence of this program with no or hard to find information on how many students or how they are selected doesn't really help the PP's original point. (Or is that buried somewhere else in the budget document and the next clue on this journey will be an insult-laden post about how any idiot could find it but we're all too lazy?)

It's odd actually that this is how it is handled by APS. Just own it APS.

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Anonymous wrote:There are many kids at HB who come not knowing English at all. The big difference in my experience (have 1 at HB, 1 at a countywide) is that the teachers care more. A lot of teachers at countywide don’t care or are overworked and checked out.

Sure, but they don’t enter HB in February of 10th/11th/12th grade. What part of that don’t you understand?

Yes they do! What part of this don't YOU understand?

They do not. In the event a spot opens up it goes to someone on the waitlist

You just don't know what you don't know. Keep spewing your ignorance.

So you are suggesting a family moves to the US and into APS, and they transfer to HBW by bypassing the hundreds long waitlist?? So there are HBW back doors, which has been hinted at before?

there is a program for English learners but if a new refugee family moves here in March, those kids are not going to show up at the doorstep of HB in March and get a seat.

Not a backdoor at all, there is a program for English learners. Unless you consider that a backdoor, I don't.

Oh so a moment ago you didn't even know this program exists and now you're an expert on what they don't do? Give me a break! Go have a seat and let the adults who have a clue talk.

That is a different poster. So the scenario you describe is someone leaves HBW who is part of this programs and that same month, a new family immigrates and takes their spot and there is no waitlist for English language learners? Can you link to this program? I actually have trouble with my English too all of a sudden.

NP and this is also fascinating to me. Please provide more info. I did a search of APS website and this is mentioned nowhere.

Why do you feel entitled to more info on this? The people who need it have it. You are clearly not in need of these services.

If there truly exists a backdoor into a highly coveted APS option program—one that bypasses the hundreds‑long waiting list and lottery—then it must be transparently published as documented policy. Otherwise, it undermines trust in the system. I personally think you are lying, just suggesting such a pathway without evidence feels like an attempt to deflect from the valid criticism that HBW avoids the challenge of serving day‑one English language learners, unlike the neighborhood schools that shoulder that responsibility.

I could care less that you think I'm lying. You were wrong, I told you so, you don't believe me, that's your problem.

If you want to find published info on this, it's out there. go find it yourself.

You could care less?

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Anonymous wrote:I’m a teacher. Learning to teach blocks was hard. Takes a lot of creativity to keep them engaged and keep it moving, and it’s important to do so- 90 minutes is long. As a parent, there are advantages and disadvantages to both. Would love math and language every day. Also like that my kid can focus on homework and prep for 3-4 classes a day instead of 7. I think I could go back, but I do wish we’d pick a lane.

You supposed to give them time to do class work so there is no homework.

In my experience this seems to result in kids doing a lot more self teaching. I had daily 45 minute classes and the teachers would instruct for pretty much all of every class. We then did practice at home as homework. With block scheduling, it seems that teachers only offer instruction for the same 45 minutes or so every class, even with a 90 minute block, because that's as long as kids can focus. So then kids use the second half of the block to do homework. But since classes are only every other day, kids then end up learning missed content from YouTube or other videos and websites. It seems like a really flawed model. My kid has come home so many times with math that she says the teacher never showed them how to do. That never happened when I was a kid. The homework matched the lesson.

Word to the wise, poke around a bit more. When my kid says things like this to me, I say wow the teacher never taught you the material, I am going to email them and ask what is going on. (Because if this is true, you in fact should say something and advocate for your child.) Then my kid backpedals. A lot of the time, the real story is your kid is screwing around in class and not paying attention. Your kid zoned out. Or your kid didn't get it and then what they need to do is advocate for themselves and follow up with the teacher or yes, follow up at home on their own.

Do you really think teachers are in the habit of handing out homework that they never showed the kids how to do? That would be gross incompetence. If that's what is going on, do something about it.

When my kid says something wasn't taught in class, she's usually already checked with friends, who don't know how to do it either. I'll teach my kid and then she calls her friends to explain it to them. So yeah, I do believe her. It's also been verified by other parents, who were all discussing finding tutors at our last happy hour.

Say something to your school instead of exchanging teaching tips at happy hour.

Reading comprehension, please. Parents weren't discussing teaching tips, but asking each other for tutor recommendations.

Tutor recommendations is teaching tips. The teacher is not covering content with your children (you say) and you are hiring tutors to teach your kids instead.

However, that is beside the point. The point is say something to your school principal.

That's total nonsense.

Parents are looking for solutions and we collectively know that going to the principal isn't going to help. A tutor is cheaper than private tuition. None of that changes the issue--APS teachers are having students learn important content from a random assortment of websites and apps instead of providing direct instruction and that is incredibly ineffective.

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Anonymous wrote:I’m a teacher. Learning to teach blocks was hard. Takes a lot of creativity to keep them engaged and keep it moving, and it’s important to do so- 90 minutes is long. As a parent, there are advantages and disadvantages to both. Would love math and language every day. Also like that my kid can focus on homework and prep for 3-4 classes a day instead of 7. I think I could go back, but I do wish we’d pick a lane.

You supposed to give them time to do class work so there is no homework.

In my experience this seems to result in kids doing a lot more self teaching. I had daily 45 minute classes and the teachers would instruct for pretty much all of every class. We then did practice at home as homework. With block scheduling, it seems that teachers only offer instruction for the same 45 minutes or so every class, even with a 90 minute block, because that's as long as kids can focus. So then kids use the second half of the block to do homework. But since classes are only every other day, kids then end up learning missed content from YouTube or other videos and websites. It seems like a really flawed model. My kid has come home so many times with math that she says the teacher never showed them how to do. That never happened when I was a kid. The homework matched the lesson.

Word to the wise, poke around a bit more. When my kid says things like this to me, I say wow the teacher never taught you the material, I am going to email them and ask what is going on. (Because if this is true, you in fact should say something and advocate for your child.) Then my kid backpedals. A lot of the time, the real story is your kid is screwing around in class and not paying attention. Your kid zoned out. Or your kid didn't get it and then what they need to do is advocate for themselves and follow up with the teacher or yes, follow up at home on their own.

Do you really think teachers are in the habit of handing out homework that they never showed the kids how to do? That would be gross incompetence. If that's what is going on, do something about it.

When my kid says something wasn't taught in class, she's usually already checked with friends, who don't know how to do it either. I'll teach my kid and then she calls her friends to explain it to them. So yeah, I do believe her. It's also been verified by other parents, who were all discussing finding tutors at our last happy hour.

Say something to your school instead of exchanging teaching tips at happy hour.

Reading comprehension, please. Parents weren't discussing teaching tips, but asking each other for tutor recommendations.

Tutor recommendations is teaching tips. The teacher is not covering content with your children (you say) and you are hiring tutors to teach your kids instead.

However, that is beside the point. The point is say something to your school principal.

That's total nonsense.

Parents are looking for solutions and we collectively know that going to the principal isn't going to help. A tutor is cheaper than private tuition. None of that changes the issue--APS teachers are having students learn important content from a random assortment of websites and apps instead of providing direct instruction and that is incredibly ineffective.

This is the first mention you all went to the principal. What did he/she say? Also, the story kind of changed. They covered the content in a way you didn't like. It's not they didn't cover the content at all?

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Anonymous wrote:I’m a teacher. Learning to teach blocks was hard. Takes a lot of creativity to keep them engaged and keep it moving, and it’s important to do so- 90 minutes is long. As a parent, there are advantages and disadvantages to both. Would love math and language every day. Also like that my kid can focus on homework and prep for 3-4 classes a day instead of 7. I think I could go back, but I do wish we’d pick a lane.

You supposed to give them time to do class work so there is no homework.

In my experience this seems to result in kids doing a lot more self teaching. I had daily 45 minute classes and the teachers would instruct for pretty much all of every class. We then did practice at home as homework. With block scheduling, it seems that teachers only offer instruction for the same 45 minutes or so every class, even with a 90 minute block, because that's as long as kids can focus. So then kids use the second half of the block to do homework. But since classes are only every other day, kids then end up learning missed content from YouTube or other videos and websites. It seems like a really flawed model. My kid has come home so many times with math that she says the teacher never showed them how to do. That never happened when I was a kid. The homework matched the lesson.

Word to the wise, poke around a bit more. When my kid says things like this to me, I say wow the teacher never taught you the material, I am going to email them and ask what is going on. (Because if this is true, you in fact should say something and advocate for your child.) Then my kid backpedals. A lot of the time, the real story is your kid is screwing around in class and not paying attention. Your kid zoned out. Or your kid didn't get it and then what they need to do is advocate for themselves and follow up with the teacher or yes, follow up at home on their own.

Do you really think teachers are in the habit of handing out homework that they never showed the kids how to do? That would be gross incompetence. If that's what is going on, do something about it.

When my kid says something wasn't taught in class, she's usually already checked with friends, who don't know how to do it either. I'll teach my kid and then she calls her friends to explain it to them. So yeah, I do believe her. It's also been verified by other parents, who were all discussing finding tutors at our last happy hour.

Say something to your school instead of exchanging teaching tips at happy hour.

Reading comprehension, please. Parents weren't discussing teaching tips, but asking each other for tutor recommendations.

Tutor recommendations is teaching tips. The teacher is not covering content with your children (you say) and you are hiring tutors to teach your kids instead.

However, that is beside the point. The point is say something to your school principal.

That's total nonsense.

Parents are looking for solutions and we collectively know that going to the principal isn't going to help. A tutor is cheaper than private tuition. None of that changes the issue--APS teachers are having students learn important content from a random assortment of websites and apps instead of providing direct instruction and that is incredibly ineffective.

This is the first mention you all went to the principal. What did he/she say? Also, the story kind of changed. They covered the content in a way you didn't like. It's not they didn't cover the content at all?

Your reading comprehension is terrible. I never said we went to the principal, nor did my explanation of the issue change.

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Anonymous wrote:There are many kids at HB who come not knowing English at all. The big difference in my experience (have 1 at HB, 1 at a countywide) is that the teachers care more. A lot of teachers at countywide don’t care or are overworked and checked out.

Sure, but they don’t enter HB in February of 10th/11th/12th grade. What part of that don’t you understand?

Yes they do! What part of this don't YOU understand?

They do not. In the event a spot opens up it goes to someone on the waitlist

You just don't know what you don't know. Keep spewing your ignorance.

So you are suggesting a family moves to the US and into APS, and they transfer to HBW by bypassing the hundreds long waitlist?? So there are HBW back doors, which has been hinted at before?

there is a program for English learners but if a new refugee family moves here in March, those kids are not going to show up at the doorstep of HB in March and get a seat.

Not a backdoor at all, there is a program for English learners. Unless you consider that a backdoor, I don't.

Oh so a moment ago you didn't even know this program exists and now you're an expert on what they don't do? Give me a break! Go have a seat and let the adults who have a clue talk.

That is a different poster. So the scenario you describe is someone leaves HBW who is part of this programs and that same month, a new family immigrates and takes their spot and there is no waitlist for English language learners? Can you link to this program? I actually have trouble with my English too all of a sudden.

NP and this is also fascinating to me. Please provide more info. I did a search of APS website and this is mentioned nowhere.

Why do you feel entitled to more info on this? The people who need it have it. You are clearly not in need of these services.

Is this for real? We’re all entitled to transparent information about taxpayer funded school programs and policies.

Look weirdo conspiricy theorist who probably has an 11th grade education, it's all in the budget. Including transfers, and where they come from. Your kid didn't get into HBW b/c they weren't special enough, did not bribe the right person, speaks the English too well and isn't the right kind of sped kid. Sorry but the fact is, you just didn't win the lottery and hate the two who got in from your school. Go decorate for the holidays. You might feel better after.

I found it for the PP, which took me all of 3 minutes. It's a tiny footnote on one table in the budget. Why be such a jerk about it though. I don't get it. It's not a conspiracy theory for people to say they want to see information. Share the information with people. I don't see mention of this policy anywhere else on APS website.

"Schools that accept enrollment through a lottery process can also include students from the Secondary Program for Students with Autism (Grade 6 to 12) and H.S. HILT students
(English Learners) enter through the year (Grade 9 to 12). H-B Woodlawn is an example of such a school."

Not the PP but it probably had to do with being accused of lying just because the poster was too lazy to do what you did and find it themselves!

It sounded like a bit of a stretch and it's not great that the only mention of this is buried in a footnote in a table in a budget book and it's only mentioned obliquely without a fuller explanation. Of course this is intentional on APS's part because they likely know it would be inflammatory. How is APS deciding which ESL kids even get the HB slot? What is the process? How many are we talking about? And then why drop the clue it's in the budget book and not just provide the info? My question still stands. Why so defensive and not wanting to share information?

It's not the only mention. Not the PP who provided this link, but I also knew about this program, and then some quick googling brought up more than one mention. Why didn't you do that?