All the boundary options are bad for the DCC-- how do we organize against that? (Any ideas for alternative options?)

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Anonymous wrote:Yes! Keep complaining about Whitman! Have your PTA write talking points that cast aspersions on Whitman and say nothing about what you want for your home schools!

Our DCC PTA has many talking points and none of them mention Whitman, BCC, or WJ

Then they are more rational and more effective than the posters on this thread.

Are you seriously equating PTAs with anonymous DCUM posters to justify your absurd assertion that DCC parents have failed our children by not advocating effectively against changes we weren't informed about? GMAFB

No no I think you are right to be mad and surprised with changes that occurred in this round of options. I just think the reflexive need to bash other schools as a response is counterproductive. I support your PTAs advocating for your communities’ needs.

No one is bashing other schools. The issue is schools like Whitman have so much more because of the low farms and SN rates vs. other schools. So, their resources can go to more courses, clubs, sports, etc. vs. other schools have to divert it to the kids who have higher needs.

Shhhh it's too hard for them to hear their kids have unearned advantages over other kids. We don't want to offend our overlords.

Hahahah you guys can’t help yourselves.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Yes! Keep complaining about Whitman! Have your PTA write talking points that cast aspersions on Whitman and say nothing about what you want for your home schools!

Our DCC PTA has many talking points and none of them mention Whitman, BCC, or WJ

Then they are more rational and more effective than the posters on this thread.

Are you seriously equating PTAs with anonymous DCUM posters to justify your absurd assertion that DCC parents have failed our children by not advocating effectively against changes we weren't informed about? GMAFB

No no I think you are right to be mad and surprised with changes that occurred in this round of options. I just think the reflexive need to bash other schools as a response is counterproductive. I support your PTAs advocating for your communities’ needs.

No one is bashing other schools. The issue is schools like Whitman have so much more because of the low farms and SN rates vs. other schools. So, their resources can go to more courses, clubs, sports, etc. vs. other schools have to divert it to the kids who have higher needs.

Shhhh it's too hard for them to hear their kids have unearned advantages over other kids. We don't want to offend our overlords.

Hahahah you guys can’t help yourselves.

What's you point? By stating the truth on DCUM we are undermining the effort to preserve the DCC? That makes no sense. You (not your whole community, I am addressing you) are just insecure and hate hearing the truth.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Yes! Keep complaining about Whitman! Have your PTA write talking points that cast aspersions on Whitman and say nothing about what you want for your home schools!

Our DCC PTA has many talking points and none of them mention Whitman, BCC, or WJ

Then they are more rational and more effective than the posters on this thread.

Are you seriously equating PTAs with anonymous DCUM posters to justify your absurd assertion that DCC parents have failed our children by not advocating effectively against changes we weren't informed about? GMAFB

No no I think you are right to be mad and surprised with changes that occurred in this round of options. I just think the reflexive need to bash other schools as a response is counterproductive. I support your PTAs advocating for your communities’ needs.

No one is bashing other schools. The issue is schools like Whitman have so much more because of the low farms and SN rates vs. other schools. So, their resources can go to more courses, clubs, sports, etc. vs. other schools have to divert it to the kids who have higher needs.

Shhhh it's too hard for them to hear their kids have unearned advantages over other kids. We don't want to offend our overlords.

Hahahah you guys can’t help yourselves.

What's you point? By stating the truth on DCUM we are undermining the effort to preserve the DCC? That makes no sense. You (not your whole community, I am addressing you) are just insecure and hate hearing the truth.

The point is that you are ineffective at advocating and messaging if you make it all about other school. This will hurt when you want to influence the BOE/Taylor. But in sincerity, good luck. All kids deserve high quality educations.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Many assumptions here about WJ and BCC. Maybe if you looked closely, you would see they are highly diverse schools with many ESL and FARMS kids, as well as kids with special needs.

Why create an us (DCC) vs them (Ws) mindset?

C'mon, anyone can look at the stats and see you're lying. They are both almost half-white, 10% or less EML, and 25% or less FARMS. All way off from MCPS district-wide averages.

Or is that really what passes for diversity in your part of the county?

No, it just fits the demographics of that area. People self select and move to the “best” area that they can rent or afford. That’s a tale as old as time.

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Anonymous wrote:Many assumptions here about WJ and BCC. Maybe if you looked closely, you would see they are highly diverse schools with many ESL and FARMS kids, as well as kids with special needs.

Why create an us (DCC) vs them (Ws) mindset?

C'mon, anyone can look at the stats and see you're lying. They are both almost half-white, 10% or less EML, and 25% or less FARMS. All way off from MCPS district-wide averages.

Or is that really what passes for diversity in your part of the county?

No, it just fits the demographics of that area. People self select and move to the “best” area that they can rent or afford. That’s a tale as old as time.

It's this. When you have a town based school system people pay a premium to live in the town with the good schools. In our county based system, people move to the catchment area with the "best" schools.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Many assumptions here about WJ and BCC. Maybe if you looked closely, you would see they are highly diverse schools with many ESL and FARMS kids, as well as kids with special needs.

Why create an us (DCC) vs them (Ws) mindset?

C'mon, anyone can look at the stats and see you're lying. They are both almost half-white, 10% or less EML, and 25% or less FARMS. All way off from MCPS district-wide averages.

Or is that really what passes for diversity in your part of the county?

No, it just fits the demographics of that area. People self select and move to the “best” area that they can rent or afford. That’s a tale as old as time.

It's this. When you have a town based school system people pay a premium to live in the town with the good schools. In our county based system, people move to the catchment area with the "best" schools.

And if they reset it, it’ll immediately happen again short of going to a full lottery system like San Francisco. But even uber liberal San Francisco is walking that back and moving to a zone based system starting next year!

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Anonymous wrote:Yes! Keep complaining about Whitman! Have your PTA write talking points that cast aspersions on Whitman and say nothing about what you want for your home schools!

Our DCC PTA has many talking points and none of them mention Whitman, BCC, or WJ

Then they are more rational and more effective than the posters on this thread.

Are you seriously equating PTAs with anonymous DCUM posters to justify your absurd assertion that DCC parents have failed our children by not advocating effectively against changes we weren't informed about? GMAFB

No no I think you are right to be mad and surprised with changes that occurred in this round of options. I just think the reflexive need to bash other schools as a response is counterproductive. I support your PTAs advocating for your communities’ needs.

No one is bashing other schools. The issue is schools like Whitman have so much more because of the low farms and SN rates vs. other schools. So, their resources can go to more courses, clubs, sports, etc. vs. other schools have to divert it to the kids who have higher needs.

Shhhh it's too hard for them to hear their kids have unearned advantages over other kids. We don't want to offend our overlords.

Hahahah you guys can’t help yourselves.

What's you point? By stating the truth on DCUM we are undermining the effort to preserve the DCC? That makes no sense. You (not your whole community, I am addressing you) are just insecure and hate hearing the truth.

The point is that you are ineffective at advocating and messaging if you make it all about other school. This will hurt when you want to influence the BOE/Taylor. But in sincerity, good luck. All kids deserve high quality educations.

This is not a PTA. This is an anonymous online forum. Are you lost?

[Anonymous]

I think the reality is that individual high school communities need to advocate for their own interests.

The majority of "DCC" parents would be perfectly happy with their homeschool option under this new plan since they aren't interested in or not going to be chosen for criteria-based programs.

I'm in Northwood. My kid wasn't able to get into a magnet program, and he didn't get his first choice school in the DCC lottery. I'm not seeing the downside of this new plan for him.

Did you look at the timeline slide? The have a 3-year transition built into this plan and MCPS is not great at transitions. They know lots of families will be unhappy until at least the class of 2034 hits 9th grade (and these kids will be guinea pigs for new programs for their entire MS and HS careers--fun times).

My kid is a sophomore, and I honestly don't see this change impacting him much. My plan is to comment on what I think will be best for those class of 2034 kids ultimately.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Many assumptions here about WJ and BCC. Maybe if you looked closely, you would see they are highly diverse schools with many ESL and FARMS kids, as well as kids with special needs.

Why create an us (DCC) vs them (Ws) mindset?

C'mon, anyone can look at the stats and see you're lying. They are both almost half-white, 10% or less EML, and 25% or less FARMS. All way off from MCPS district-wide averages.

Or is that really what passes for diversity in your part of the county?

A school where no one racial group makes up more than half of the student body is actually diverse. It's not my problem if you use the word "diversity" as code for "not white." If you go to a school where 60% of students are in one group, even if that group is Black or Hispanic, that school is less diverse than a school where the largest group is 45% of the school.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Many assumptions here about WJ and BCC. Maybe if you looked closely, you would see they are highly diverse schools with many ESL and FARMS kids, as well as kids with special needs.

Why create an us (DCC) vs them (Ws) mindset?

C'mon, anyone can look at the stats and see you're lying. They are both almost half-white, 10% or less EML, and 25% or less FARMS. All way off from MCPS district-wide averages.

Or is that really what passes for diversity in your part of the county?

No, it just fits the demographics of that area. People self select and move to the “best” area that they can rent or afford. That’s a tale as old as time.

No, some of us choose other areas that you would not for a variety of reasons. Our kids deserve equal. We pay the same taxes.

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Anonymous wrote:I think the reality is that individual high school communities need to advocate for their own interests.

The majority of "DCC" parents would be perfectly happy with their homeschool option under this new plan since they aren't interested in or not going to be chosen for criteria-based programs.

I'm in Northwood. My kid wasn't able to get into a magnet program, and he didn't get his first choice school in the DCC lottery. I'm not seeing the downside of this new plan for him.

Did you look at the timeline slide? The have a 3-year transition built into this plan and MCPS is not great at transitions. They know lots of families will be unhappy until at least the class of 2034 hits 9th grade (and these kids will be guinea pigs for new programs for their entire MS and HS careers--fun times).

My kid is a sophomore, and I honestly don't see this change impacting him much. My plan is to comment on what I think will be best for those class of 2034 kids ultimately.

Most of us would prefer homeschools if the opportunities were there. The problem is kids don’t have equal access and may not even have enough classes to graduate.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Yes! Keep complaining about Whitman! Have your PTA write talking points that cast aspersions on Whitman and say nothing about what you want for your home schools!

Our DCC PTA has many talking points and none of them mention Whitman, BCC, or WJ

Then they are more rational and more effective than the posters on this thread.

Are you seriously equating PTAs with anonymous DCUM posters to justify your absurd assertion that DCC parents have failed our children by not advocating effectively against changes we weren't informed about? GMAFB

No no I think you are right to be mad and surprised with changes that occurred in this round of options. I just think the reflexive need to bash other schools as a response is counterproductive. I support your PTAs advocating for your communities’ needs.

No one is bashing other schools. The issue is schools like Whitman have so much more because of the low farms and SN rates vs. other schools. So, their resources can go to more courses, clubs, sports, etc. vs. other schools have to divert it to the kids who have higher needs.

Shhhh it's too hard for them to hear their kids have unearned advantages over other kids. We don't want to offend our overlords.

Hahahah you guys can’t help yourselves.

What's you point? By stating the truth on DCUM we are undermining the effort to preserve the DCC? That makes no sense. You (not your whole community, I am addressing you) are just insecure and hate hearing the truth.

The point is that you are ineffective at advocating and messaging if you make it all about other school. This will hurt when you want to influence the BOE/Taylor. But in sincerity, good luck. All kids deserve high quality educations.

This is not a PTA. This is an anonymous online forum. Are you lost?

What is your point? You are nasty on every single thread.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Many assumptions here about WJ and BCC. Maybe if you looked closely, you would see they are highly diverse schools with many ESL and FARMS kids, as well as kids with special needs.

Why create an us (DCC) vs them (Ws) mindset?

C'mon, anyone can look at the stats and see you're lying. They are both almost half-white, 10% or less EML, and 25% or less FARMS. All way off from MCPS district-wide averages.

Or is that really what passes for diversity in your part of the county?

No, it just fits the demographics of that area. People self select and move to the “best” area that they can rent or afford. That’s a tale as old as time.

No, some of us choose other areas that you would not for a variety of reasons. Our kids deserve equal. We pay the same taxes.

Yeah. Continue with your virtue signaling. I’m speaking for most people. I also highly doubt we pay the same amount of taxes. My school and income and property taxes are most likely subsidizing yours and I’m not complaining.

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Anonymous wrote:It seems pretty clear that the DCC is being split up and each school is on its own for advocacy. Blair or Northwood seem unlikely to advocate for Einstein. MCPS has to fill Woodward.

Let the ToK issue go. There is no way they will walk to Einstein, with the recent tragedy of a student crossinf University Blvd. Focus on what you really want for Einstein, not what you want to take away from others. Look at what Wheaton has been able to do with Engineering.

To me, the appeal of Einstein is that it is smaller. I like that. I would also want high level classes, whether IB or AP. Maybe add a program like WJ has (Apex) instead of IB. Who gets the Medical Science program? Maybe it could be Einstein.

I have heard few if any actual people focus on adding ToK to Einstein. I think MCPS should do that but it's certainly not my focus. Our PTA's preferred option in the first set of options didn't do that. It's not a priority for our community but I think it should be a priority for MCPS if they want to actually balance the 4 factors but they clearly do not.

And yet it keeps coming up.

On DCUM more than in real life.

+1 this narrative that DCC parents just don't care enough or care about the wrong things is offensive and ridiculous on so many levels but I guess some of you all are too insecure to acknowledge real inequities

unequal and inequities are two different things. What did you think the realities of living in areas crammed with dense low income housing would look or play out like, why do you think you got a discount on that post war rambler or what ever house you bought that cost considerably less than those in nicer areas? What did you think the efficacy of PTAs filled with well resourced middle and upper management types vs PTA slapped together as collations of the barely willing. At some point what you want vs what life you built for your self and now most endure smacks in one's face. When in doubt just look at the real estate prices as there is a undeniable truth in there and there are reasons why there is basically a price ceiling in the DCC with few exceptions where the nicest homes are priced at the entry home point in nicer areas. because if most can afford it they leave.

Equality means the poorest kid can theoretically finish MoCo with all the bells and whistles that a rich kid can, Equal means they do. There is no planet on which those communities will have statically equal results or enjoy the consistent outcomes of privilege or that their communities won't have to deal with the undue burdens.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Yes! Keep complaining about Whitman! Have your PTA write talking points that cast aspersions on Whitman and say nothing about what you want for your home schools!

Our DCC PTA has many talking points and none of them mention Whitman, BCC, or WJ

Then they are more rational and more effective than the posters on this thread.

Are you seriously equating PTAs with anonymous DCUM posters to justify your absurd assertion that DCC parents have failed our children by not advocating effectively against changes we weren't informed about? GMAFB

No no I think you are right to be mad and surprised with changes that occurred in this round of options. I just think the reflexive need to bash other schools as a response is counterproductive. I support your PTAs advocating for your communities’ needs.

No one is bashing other schools. The issue is schools like Whitman have so much more because of the low farms and SN rates vs. other schools. So, their resources can go to more courses, clubs, sports, etc. vs. other schools have to divert it to the kids who have higher needs.

Shhhh it's too hard for them to hear their kids have unearned advantages over other kids. We don't want to offend our overlords.

Hahahah you guys can’t help yourselves.

What's you point? By stating the truth on DCUM we are undermining the effort to preserve the DCC? That makes no sense. You (not your whole community, I am addressing you) are just insecure and hate hearing the truth.

The point is that you are ineffective at advocating and messaging if you make it all about other school. This will hurt when you want to influence the BOE/Taylor. But in sincerity, good luck. All kids deserve high quality educations.

This is not a PTA. This is an anonymous online forum. Are you lost?

What is your point? You are nasty on every single thread.

Go troll elsewhere