If your dc is an athlete (potential recruit) - how are you/dc navigating the sport versus academics?

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Anonymous wrote:my kid picked up the sport relatively late, after sophomore year - and has offers of support from multiple WASP schools - likely would have been D1 material if started earlier - but was able to enjoy childhood and school years as a multi sport athlete. Many of our friends have sold their souls in pursuit of ivy end game

What’s a WASP school?

the 4 best D3 schools for academics, many believe they rival the top ivies

They aren’t the 4 best D3 schools for academics…JHU,
Chicago, MIT and CalTech rank above them when they are all ranked together.

Not in sports they don’t. These are not serious schools for a serious athlete. Let’s try to keep focus here. Schools with decent to good sports that are also a place to get a good education

JHU is very much a serious schools for athletes. MIT too for some sports, they are very strong in T&F at the D3 level. Chicago has some competitive teams, CalTech no, most definitely no though they do recruit.

DP. You are saying MIT is strong in T&F with a straight face? I think we have very different ideas about sports…

PP is talking about for D3 schools…not comparing to D1 programs.

Look at a d3 like Wisconsin lacrosse.

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Anonymous wrote:my kid picked up the sport relatively late, after sophomore year - and has offers of support from multiple WASP schools - likely would have been D1 material if started earlier - but was able to enjoy childhood and school years as a multi sport athlete. Many of our friends have sold their souls in pursuit of ivy end game

What’s a WASP school?

the 4 best D3 schools for academics, many believe they rival the top ivies

They aren’t the 4 best D3 schools for academics…JHU,
Chicago, MIT and CalTech rank above them when they are all ranked together.

Not in sports they don’t. These are not serious schools for a serious athlete. Let’s try to keep focus here. Schools with decent to good sports that are also a place to get a good education

JHU is very much a serious schools for athletes. MIT too for some sports, they are very strong in T&F at the D3 level. Chicago has some competitive teams, CalTech no, most definitely no though they do recruit.

DP. You are saying MIT is strong in T&F with a straight face? I think we have very different ideas about sports…

Womens track and Field? Absolutely. They aren't power 4 but they are plenty competitive with their actual academic peers in D1.

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Anonymous wrote:my kid picked up the sport relatively late, after sophomore year - and has offers of support from multiple WASP schools - likely would have been D1 material if started earlier - but was able to enjoy childhood and school years as a multi sport athlete. Many of our friends have sold their souls in pursuit of ivy end game

What’s a WASP school?

the 4 best D3 schools for academics, many believe they rival the top ivies

They aren’t the 4 best D3 schools for academics…JHU,
Chicago, MIT and CalTech rank above them when they are all ranked together.

Not in sports they don’t. These are not serious schools for a serious athlete. Let’s try to keep focus here. Schools with decent to good sports that are also a place to get a good education

JHU is very much a serious schools for athletes. MIT too for some sports, they are very strong in T&F at the D3 level. Chicago has some competitive teams, CalTech no, most definitely no though they do recruit.

DP. You are saying MIT is strong in T&F with a straight face? I think we have very different ideas about sports…

PP is talking about for D3 schools…not comparing to D1 programs.

Look at a d3 like Wisconsin lacrosse.

NP- they have an excellent program!!! They seem to have all the events covered

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Anonymous wrote:my kid picked up the sport relatively late, after sophomore year - and has offers of support from multiple WASP schools - likely would have been D1 material if started earlier - but was able to enjoy childhood and school years as a multi sport athlete. Many of our friends have sold their souls in pursuit of ivy end game

What’s a WASP school?

the 4 best D3 schools for academics, many believe they rival the top ivies

They aren’t the 4 best D3 schools for academics…JHU,
Chicago, MIT and CalTech rank above them when they are all ranked together.

Not in sports they don’t. These are not serious schools for a serious athlete. Let’s try to keep focus here. Schools with decent to good sports that are also a place to get a good education

JHU is very much a serious schools for athletes. MIT too for some sports, they are very strong in T&F at the D3 level. Chicago has some competitive teams, CalTech no, most definitely no though they do recruit.

DP. You are saying MIT is strong in T&F with a straight face? I think we have very different ideas about sports…

Womens track and Field? Absolutely. They aren't power 4 but they are plenty competitive with their actual academic peers in D1.

What d1 schools?

Are you the old track guy who posts on here? What’s a ‘reputable’ D1 school that isn’t top top for track but very good?

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Anonymous wrote:my kid picked up the sport relatively late, after sophomore year - and has offers of support from multiple WASP schools - likely would have been D1 material if started earlier - but was able to enjoy childhood and school years as a multi sport athlete. Many of our friends have sold their souls in pursuit of ivy end game

What’s a WASP school?

the 4 best D3 schools for academics, many believe they rival the top ivies

They aren’t the 4 best D3 schools for academics…JHU,
Chicago, MIT and CalTech rank above them when they are all ranked together.

Not in sports they don’t. These are not serious schools for a serious athlete. Let’s try to keep focus here. Schools with decent to good sports that are also a place to get a good education

JHU is very much a serious schools for athletes. MIT too for some sports, they are very strong in T&F at the D3 level. Chicago has some competitive teams, CalTech no, most definitely no though they do recruit.

DP. You are saying MIT is strong in T&F with a straight face? I think we have very different ideas about sports…

PP is talking about for D3 schools…not comparing to D1 programs.

Look at a d3 like Wisconsin lacrosse.

NP- they have an excellent program!!! They seem to have all the events covered

They do. A very exciting team

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The great thing about having a kid in sports is you get to go to the games.

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Anonymous wrote:My track kid was recruited by a bunch of D3 schools. But chose a D1 school for the academics, thinking he'd try walk on. He's competitive. But recent changes with NIL and the NCAA have obliterated non-revenue sports like track, swimming, etc at the D1 level. There just aren't a lot of spaces anymore at the non-revenue sports. He does train with the team and competes as an independent, usually beating the varsity competitors at his D1 school. But that track team had to reduce their team by half this year. There's no space for anyone after this years changes. A lot of scholarships disappeared and coaches are trying to make the best of things.

No regrets. He still competes, and gets the the T20 education. But it is very rough in D1 outside football and basketball at the moment.

Interesting. He chose a d1 for the academics not the sport?

Is he long or middle distance?

Middle. 800 and 1500. Sometimes 400.

But an engineering major, so D3 schools didn't work for that.

I'm confused why wouldn't engineering work in a D3 school?

Hmmm…..

MIT, CalTech, Harvey Mudd, JHU, Carnegie Mellon, Rose Hulman, RPI, WPI . . . .

You can absolutely study engineering at a D3 school.

I don't know why people here are convinced that D3 = NESCAC or LAC.

DP. Aerospace engineering, for example, would only be available at very limited number of D3 schools and MIT isn't super accessible. None of the top aerospace engineering schools are D3 schools.

3 of the top 10 are D3 according to US News…if that’s what you really want to study, Embry-Riddle (#5) is more accessible than MIT or CalTech (#1 and #4).

Embry-Riddle is D2 and CalTech only offers an aero minor for undergrad.

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Anonymous wrote:From what I’ve seen on here, most parents seem to care much less about the sport and more about the boost to admissions (no flames if that’s not you, it’s just what I’ve seen).

But what about if your dc feels the opposite? The sport and the team is the primary focus, with the ‘rank’ of the school being much less important? Think academic d3 versus d1. My dc is not interested in academic d3s because their teams are not that great.

Thoughts? Btw if you/your dc think sports is pretty much mostly just an admission hook, please move on. Also I’m aware many kids quit their sport, etc. And I’m aware of the commitment to a d1 versus d3. Money etc.

My son is using sport (he is a top 25 recruit on this sport) to get into the best academic school he can. We have enough money saved to pay for 4 years of private full pay. No need for scholarships. So academics are key here. Some of the Top academic schools didnt even recruit him because he was being targeted by Big 10/SEC schools. So he went on a direct contact path with coaches from Ivies and others. We are hoping this opens up the door for some of the better schools. He has a 1500 SAT and 3.7 UW GPA.

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Anonymous wrote:From what I’ve seen on here, most parents seem to care much less about the sport and more about the boost to admissions (no flames if that’s not you, it’s just what I’ve seen).

But what about if your dc feels the opposite? The sport and the team is the primary focus, with the ‘rank’ of the school being much less important? Think academic d3 versus d1. My dc is not interested in academic d3s because their teams are not that great.

Thoughts? Btw if you/your dc think sports is pretty much mostly just an admission hook, please move on. Also I’m aware many kids quit their sport, etc. And I’m aware of the commitment to a d1 versus d3. Money etc.

My son is using sport (he is a top 25 recruit on this sport) to get into the best academic school he can. We have enough money saved to pay for 4 years of private full pay. No need for scholarships. So academics are key here. Some of the Top academic schools didnt even recruit him because he was being targeted by Big 10/SEC schools. So he went on a direct contact path with coaches from Ivies and others. We are hoping this opens up the door for some of the better schools. He has a 1500 SAT and 3.7 UW GPA.

BTW, his sport is an individual sport….

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NP here. I was in this struggle before with DS who had good grades but not perfect, let’s say top 25% of the class, and wanted to go to a big D1 school for running.

The challenge was finding a good match for:

Academics
Cost
Running skill
College fit (culture, social vibe, etc).

DS matched w top D3s for running and academics but not cost social college fit. Example, Colgate or Davidson are great schools but he would not have been happy.

He’s now at an SEC school in a program he loves and is running club track. He also got a merit scholarship so it is not $80k a year+. He is faster than the club team but is also doing other sports and activities and is making friends. He’s not going to be able to make the SEC team ever as those are mostly Olympians and other NCAA phenoms, but his school running career was going to end at some point anyway. He still runs 5-6 days a week.

He is happy, most of all.

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Anonymous wrote:From what I’ve seen on here, most parents seem to care much less about the sport and more about the boost to admissions (no flames if that’s not you, it’s just what I’ve seen).

But what about if your dc feels the opposite? The sport and the team is the primary focus, with the ‘rank’ of the school being much less important? Think academic d3 versus d1. My dc is not interested in academic d3s because their teams are not that great.

Thoughts? Btw if you/your dc think sports is pretty much mostly just an admission hook, please move on. Also I’m aware many kids quit their sport, etc. And I’m aware of the commitment to a d1 versus d3. Money etc.

My son is using sport (he is a top 25 recruit on this sport) to get into the best academic school he can. We have enough money saved to pay for 4 years of private full pay. No need for scholarships. So academics are key here. Some of the Top academic schools didnt even recruit him because he was being targeted by Big 10/SEC schools. So he went on a direct contact path with coaches from Ivies and others. We are hoping this opens up the door for some of the better schools. He has a 1500 SAT and 3.7 UW GPA.

Why not reach out to Northwestern, Duke and Vandy?

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Anonymous wrote:my kid picked up the sport relatively late, after sophomore year - and has offers of support from multiple WASP schools - likely would have been D1 material if started earlier - but was able to enjoy childhood and school years as a multi sport athlete. Many of our friends have sold their souls in pursuit of ivy end game

What’s a WASP school?

the 4 best D3 schools for academics, many believe they rival the top ivies

They aren’t the 4 best D3 schools for academics…JHU,
Chicago, MIT and CalTech rank above them when they are all ranked together.

Not in sports they don’t. These are not serious schools for a serious athlete. Let’s try to keep focus here. Schools with decent to good sports that are also a place to get a good education

JHU is very much a serious schools for athletes. MIT too for some sports, they are very strong in T&F at the D3 level. Chicago has some competitive teams, CalTech no, most definitely no though they do recruit.

DP. You are saying MIT is strong in T&F with a straight face? I think we have very different ideas about sports…

Womens track and Field? Absolutely. They aren't power 4 but they are plenty competitive with their actual academic peers in D1.

What d1 schools?

Are you the old track guy who posts on here? What’s a ‘reputable’ D1 school that isn’t top top for track but very good?

I said their actual academic peers which are the Ivy league and a few others.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:NP here. I was in this struggle before with DS who had good grades but not perfect, let’s say top 25% of the class, and wanted to go to a big D1 school for running.

The challenge was finding a good match for:

Academics
Cost
Running skill
College fit (culture, social vibe, etc).

DS matched w top D3s for running and academics but not cost social college fit. Example, Colgate or Davidson are great schools but he would not have been happy.

He’s now at an SEC school in a program he loves and is running club track. He also got a merit scholarship so it is not $80k a year+. He is faster than the club team but is also doing other sports and activities and is making friends. He’s not going to be able to make the SEC team ever as those are mostly Olympians and other NCAA phenoms, but his school running career was going to end at some point anyway. He still runs 5-6 days a week.

He is happy, most of all.

This is a great outcome for you DS. Good for him.

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Anonymous wrote:From what I’ve seen on here, most parents seem to care much less about the sport and more about the boost to admissions (no flames if that’s not you, it’s just what I’ve seen).

But what about if your dc feels the opposite? The sport and the team is the primary focus, with the ‘rank’ of the school being much less important? Think academic d3 versus d1. My dc is not interested in academic d3s because their teams are not that great.

Thoughts? Btw if you/your dc think sports is pretty much mostly just an admission hook, please move on. Also I’m aware many kids quit their sport, etc. And I’m aware of the commitment to a d1 versus d3. Money etc.

My son is using sport (he is a top 25 recruit on this sport) to get into the best academic school he can. We have enough money saved to pay for 4 years of private full pay. No need for scholarships. So academics are key here. Some of the Top academic schools didn't even recruit him because he was being targeted by Big 10/SEC schools. So he went on a direct contact path with coaches from Ivies and others. We are hoping this opens up the door for some of the better schools. He has a 1500 SAT and 3.7 UW GPA.

If those are his grades and competitiveness level he should get interest.

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Anonymous wrote:my kid picked up the sport relatively late, after sophomore year - and has offers of support from multiple WASP schools - likely would have been D1 material if started earlier - but was able to enjoy childhood and school years as a multi sport athlete. Many of our friends have sold their souls in pursuit of ivy end game

What’s a WASP school?

the 4 best D3 schools for academics, many believe they rival the top ivies

They aren’t the 4 best D3 schools for academics…JHU,
Chicago, MIT and CalTech rank above them when they are all ranked together.

Not in sports they don’t. These are not serious schools for a serious athlete. Let’s try to keep focus here. Schools with decent to good sports that are also a place to get a good education

JHU is very much a serious schools for athletes. MIT too for some sports, they are very strong in T&F at the D3 level. Chicago has some competitive teams, CalTech no, most definitely no though they do recruit.

DP. You are saying MIT is strong in T&F with a straight face? I think we have very different ideas about sports…

Womens track and Field? Absolutely. They aren't power 4 but they are plenty competitive with their actual academic peers in D1.

What d1 schools?

Are you the old track guy who posts on here? What’s a ‘reputable’ D1 school that isn’t top top for track but very good?

I said their actual academic peers which are the Ivy league and a few others.

You mentioned reputable d1 above. Was curious what you meant by that.