If your dc is an athlete (potential recruit) - how are you/dc navigating the sport versus academics?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:struggling a bit with DD as she is a runner with an offer of support from tippy top D3 but wants to see if ivy+ doors open after fall cross country. She has made tremendous improvement but won’t be evident and provide a recruitable lift until later in season, long past when these things are usually done. The D3 school will want to wrap things up by mid September with offers of support, so timing may not work for us - it really is like game theory to a large extent

I know a track kid (not CC) who didn’t get placed until mid spring. Track is very black and white as you know. It’s a gamble

[Anonymous]

^ I also know a rugby recruit who was placed late

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Has OP named the sport?

That to me is a huge factor in this decision because there are a whole host of reasons to be the "worst" player on a D1 revenue sport vs. the "worst" person on a D1 XC or crew team.

The former kids are given incredible perks, have tons of students actually care about the team and result in a very different college experience compared to sports like XC or crew where nobody really gives a crap how well their school does (nor are any students coming to an event) and where you practice and compete away from campus.

OP mentioned state schools...so I am talking D1 schools outside the Academic Patriot / Ivy Leagues as those leagues really don't feel much different than D3 from a student engagement perspective these days.

What sport was your dc recruited for? Where did they end up?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Academic D3 schools are indeed the best athletically among D3 schools for many sports.

Unfortunately Baseball isn't one of those sports. There are a few high academic D3 baseball powers (Hopkins, CMS, Pomona-Pitzer, Denison) but it isn't like many other sports where there is significant overlap between D1 and D3 for high academic schools.

In many sports for example the bottom of the Ivy League overlaps with the top of the Patriot League and the bottom of the Patriot League overlaps with the top of the NESCAC creating a situation where a very goods player with excellent academics could end up with interesting choices. I am using the NESCAC as a proxy for NESCAC, UAA, and some schools from other conferences here. We all know the schools.

Agreed that the Academic D3 schools don't tend to win the Baseball CWS, but the academic D3 schools were well-represented in the round of 64 this year. The UAA league (Emory, Chicago, WashU, Case, Brandeis & NYU) had 4 teams make the post-season (all but Brandeis/NYU) and Hopkins was the #1 seeded college all throughout the season and the #1 seed in the final group of 8.

Of course this is like any other college tournament where the winner of various divisions automatically gets a bid...so you always have a NESCAC make it, you have the winner of the league that Pomona/CMC play, etc....so it's interesting to see which leagues get a lot of at-large bids (which this year was the UAA as Case was the winner of that division).

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:struggling a bit with DD as she is a runner with an offer of support from tippy top D3 but wants to see if ivy+ doors open after fall cross country. She has made tremendous improvement but won’t be evident and provide a recruitable lift until later in season, long past when these things are usually done. The D3 school will want to wrap things up by mid September with offers of support, so timing may not work for us - it really is like game theory to a large extent

I know a track kid (not CC) who didn’t get placed until mid spring. Track is very black and white as you know. It’s a gamble

Lots of kids apply to top academic D1s without coach support and then later are able to walk on to the teams when they get in, but don’t they have their offers of coach support nailed down by early fall?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:struggling a bit with DD as she is a runner with an offer of support from tippy top D3 but wants to see if ivy+ doors open after fall cross country. She has made tremendous improvement but won’t be evident and provide a recruitable lift until later in season, long past when these things are usually done. The D3 school will want to wrap things up by mid September with offers of support, so timing may not work for us - it really is like game theory to a large extent

I know a track kid (not CC) who didn’t get placed until mid spring. Track is very black and white as you know. It’s a gamble

Lots of kids apply to top academic D1s without coach support and then later are able to walk on to the teams when they get in, but don’t they have their offers of coach support nailed down by early fall?

Not necessarily. I don’t know how it played out exactly, but I can only guess this kid performed well in the winter and spring…

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:struggling a bit with DD as she is a runner with an offer of support from tippy top D3 but wants to see if ivy+ doors open after fall cross country. She has made tremendous improvement but won’t be evident and provide a recruitable lift until later in season, long past when these things are usually done. The D3 school will want to wrap things up by mid September with offers of support, so timing may not work for us - it really is like game theory to a large extent

I know a track kid (not CC) who didn’t get placed until mid spring. Track is very black and white as you know. It’s a gamble

Lots of kids apply to top academic D1s without coach support and then later are able to walk on to the teams when they get in, but don’t they have their offers of coach support nailed down by early fall?

Your question doesn’t make sense.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Academic D3 schools are indeed the best athletically among D3 schools for many sports.

Unfortunately Baseball isn't one of those sports. There are a few high academic D3 baseball powers (Hopkins, CMS, Pomona-Pitzer, Denison) but it isn't like many other sports where there is significant overlap between D1 and D3 for high academic schools.

In many sports for example the bottom of the Ivy League overlaps with the top of the Patriot League and the bottom of the Patriot League overlaps with the top of the NESCAC creating a situation where a very goods player with excellent academics could end up with interesting choices. I am using the NESCAC as a proxy for NESCAC, UAA, and some schools from other conferences here. We all know the schools.

Agreed that the Academic D3 schools don't tend to win the Baseball CWS, but the academic D3 schools were well-represented in the round of 64 this year. The UAA league (Emory, Chicago, WashU, Case, Brandeis & NYU) had 4 teams make the post-season (all but Brandeis/NYU) and Hopkins was the #1 seeded college all throughout the season and the #1 seed in the final group of 8.

Of course this is like any other college tournament where the winner of various divisions automatically gets a bid...so you always have a NESCAC make it, you have the winner of the league that Pomona/CMC play, etc....so it's interesting to see which leagues get a lot of at-large bids (which this year was the UAA as Case was the winner of that division).

What sport was your dc recruited for? Where did they end up?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:We’re in the thick of the academic D3 recruiting process for baseball. We’ve made it clear to DS that academics come first, and he has been on board with that. He’s not really a D1 prospect, so ivies and patriot league schools are on the back burner for consideration only if the baseball thing does not work out.

Aha, lucky you! How does your dc feel about it?

That seems to be the typical path I see on here. Athletics to academic d3. Unfortunately or fortunately (bc dc has found his passion, which I can’t dismiss), my dc isn’t particularly interesting in the d3 schools that like him because their teams are just ok. His semi ‘dream’ schools are two state schools where he could likely get in academically but his recruiting chances aren’t great (keeping him on the back burner for now). He would likely have to try to walk on.

Dc will not do this sport professionally but he wants to push himself to the limits in the time he has left, and I have to respect that.

Does he want to work professionally in the sport in the front office?

It’s better to play baseball at Amherst if you want to be a gm in mlb vs maybe having a shot at playing for a northern d1 team.

Having a great non-player job in pro sports is filled with elite academic d3 marginal players vs state school d1 players

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:We’re in the thick of the academic D3 recruiting process for baseball. We’ve made it clear to DS that academics come first, and he has been on board with that. He’s not really a D1 prospect, so ivies and patriot league schools are on the back burner for consideration only if the baseball thing does not work out.

Aha, lucky you! How does your dc feel about it?

That seems to be the typical path I see on here. Athletics to academic d3. Unfortunately or fortunately (bc dc has found his passion, which I can’t dismiss), my dc isn’t particularly interesting in the d3 schools that like him because their teams are just ok. His semi ‘dream’ schools are two state schools where he could likely get in academically but his recruiting chances aren’t great (keeping him on the back burner for now). He would likely have to try to walk on.

Dc will not do this sport professionally but he wants to push himself to the limits in the time he has left, and I have to respect that.

Does he want to work professionally in the sport in the front office?

It’s better to play baseball at Amherst if you want to be a gm in mlb vs maybe having a shot at playing for a northern d1 team.

Having a great non-player job in pro sports is filled with elite academic d3 marginal players vs state school d1 players

Interesting. How do you know that?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:We’re in the thick of the academic D3 recruiting process for baseball. We’ve made it clear to DS that academics come first, and he has been on board with that. He’s not really a D1 prospect, so ivies and patriot league schools are on the back burner for consideration only if the baseball thing does not work out.

Aha, lucky you! How does your dc feel about it?

That seems to be the typical path I see on here. Athletics to academic d3. Unfortunately or fortunately (bc dc has found his passion, which I can’t dismiss), my dc isn’t particularly interesting in the d3 schools that like him because their teams are just ok. His semi ‘dream’ schools are two state schools where he could likely get in academically but his recruiting chances aren’t great (keeping him on the back burner for now). He would likely have to try to walk on.

Dc will not do this sport professionally but he wants to push himself to the limits in the time he has left, and I have to respect that.

Does he want to work professionally in the sport in the front office?

It’s better to play baseball at Amherst if you want to be a gm in mlb vs maybe having a shot at playing for a northern d1 team.

Having a great non-player job in pro sports is filled with elite academic d3 marginal players vs state school d1 players

Interesting. How do you know that?

Because I used to work for an Al East and NL Central team and my sibling works as an agm in pro sports and went to a t10 academic d3

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2013-10-11/red-sox-fuel-moneyball-dream-as-amherst-grooms-front-office

If your goal is to maximize your chances to be a GM in baseball, playing at Amherst/williams/top nescac (if you can’t play for Stanford, vandy, Harvard, Yale) is better than maybe scraping into player d1 at a northern big 10 school

It’ll straight up open more doors

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Has OP named the sport?

That to me is a huge factor in this decision because there are a whole host of reasons to be the "worst" player on a D1 revenue sport vs. the "worst" person on a D1 XC or crew team.

The former kids are given incredible perks, have tons of students actually care about the team and result in a very different college experience compared to sports like XC or crew where nobody really gives a crap how well their school does (nor are any students coming to an event) and where you practice and compete away from campus.

OP mentioned state schools...so I am talking D1 schools outside the Academic Patriot / Ivy Leagues as those leagues really don't feel much different than D3 from a student engagement perspective these days.

What sport was your dc recruited for? Where did they end up?

Are you OP? If you won't mention your kid's sport then I'm not going to respond...just tell us your kid's sport already so we can be of help. It's silly you are not.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Has OP named the sport?

That to me is a huge factor in this decision because there are a whole host of reasons to be the "worst" player on a D1 revenue sport vs. the "worst" person on a D1 XC or crew team.

The former kids are given incredible perks, have tons of students actually care about the team and result in a very different college experience compared to sports like XC or crew where nobody really gives a crap how well their school does (nor are any students coming to an event) and where you practice and compete away from campus.

OP mentioned state schools...so I am talking D1 schools outside the Academic Patriot / Ivy Leagues as those leagues really don't feel much different than D3 from a student engagement perspective these days.

What sport was your dc recruited for? Where did they end up?

Are you OP? If you won't mention your kid's sport then I'm not going to respond...just tell us your kid's sport already so we can be of help. It's silly you are not.

Ok

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:We’re in the thick of the academic D3 recruiting process for baseball. We’ve made it clear to DS that academics come first, and he has been on board with that. He’s not really a D1 prospect, so ivies and patriot league schools are on the back burner for consideration only if the baseball thing does not work out.

Aha, lucky you! How does your dc feel about it?

That seems to be the typical path I see on here. Athletics to academic d3. Unfortunately or fortunately (bc dc has found his passion, which I can’t dismiss), my dc isn’t particularly interesting in the d3 schools that like him because their teams are just ok. His semi ‘dream’ schools are two state schools where he could likely get in academically but his recruiting chances aren’t great (keeping him on the back burner for now). He would likely have to try to walk on.

Dc will not do this sport professionally but he wants to push himself to the limits in the time he has left, and I have to respect that.

Does he want to work professionally in the sport in the front office?

It’s better to play baseball at Amherst if you want to be a gm in mlb vs maybe having a shot at playing for a northern d1 team.

Having a great non-player job in pro sports is filled with elite academic d3 marginal players vs state school d1 players

Interesting. How do you know that?

Because I used to work for an Al East and NL Central team and my sibling works as an agm in pro sports and went to a t10 academic d3

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2013-10-11/red-sox-fuel-moneyball-dream-as-amherst-grooms-front-office

If your goal is to maximize your chances to be a GM in baseball, playing at Amherst/williams/top nescac (if you can’t play for Stanford, vandy, Harvard, Yale) is better than maybe scraping into player d1 at a northern big 10 school

It’ll straight up open more doors

This is really a crazily narrow thing...there are only 32 GMs in baseball. Haverford I believe also has a strong showing in baseball management, though not sure about GMs.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Has OP named the sport?

That to me is a huge factor in this decision because there are a whole host of reasons to be the "worst" player on a D1 revenue sport vs. the "worst" person on a D1 XC or crew team.

The former kids are given incredible perks, have tons of students actually care about the team and result in a very different college experience compared to sports like XC or crew where nobody really gives a crap how well their school does (nor are any students coming to an event) and where you practice and compete away from campus.

OP mentioned state schools...so I am talking D1 schools outside the Academic Patriot / Ivy Leagues as those leagues really don't feel much different than D3 from a student engagement perspective these days.

What sport was your dc recruited for? Where did they end up?

Are you OP? If you won't mention your kid's sport then I'm not going to respond...just tell us your kid's sport already so we can be of help. It's silly you are not.

Ok

OK what? Are you OP?