NYT: Men where have you gone, please come back.

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But they are unobtainable. 3% of men are 6ft tall or taller and also earn over $100k per year. That's what women everywhere are saying is the minimum standard. They won't "settle" for anything less.
Take 2 seconds and read this forum and see how all the women here immediately write off a guy that makes under $100k

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Anonymous wrote:Men are cracking up at this article online, and the comments are gold. For years now, women have been telling men to go away, you're lower than dirt. We don't need you! Well, they listened, and they want nothing to do with you. They are happy to pay off their mortgages and cars, and hang out with the guys, hassle free. And now you want them back? They're saying no, thanks. We're good.

Might want to look further south at more traditional cultures, that value masculinity and marriage.

Many are moving here.

The marriage rate in DCnis higher than every southern state and the marriage rate in NY state is also higher than 1/2 the southern states including GA, LA, KY and MS.

Nevada and Hawaii are the highest and Louisiana is the lowest.

I think the pp may have been referring to central/south America? I spend half the year down there and it's like night and day. I don't even date when back in DC. Just look at some of the insane comments by unhinged women on this site. Just not worth it IMHO.

So you engage in sex tourism in impoverished countries and somehow think this is a win for you? Yikes.

All that happens is those women "upgrade" when they get their green card and find out there are men who will treat them better. But thanks for getting them legal status!

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Anonymous wrote:A good Colombian friend of mine married a Colombian guy. Twenty years later they are happy and the family is thriving. She has six girlfriends who married a mix of American, Swiss and British guys, all six are now divorced.

The type of guy who goes to Colombia to meet a wife is not marriage material, and the American women know it. The Colombians just took longer to figure it out because they don’t have the same cultural vocabulary and can’t pick up on the early warning signs.

I think American men went two ways: one half picked up the slack at home and with the kids and are happier for it. The other half turned incel.

+1
Passport bros are nasty and called "LBH" (losers back home) because even the locals know that no one wants them in their home countries I'm glad the women in these countries are realizing this. Many of these men end up abusing their mail order brides and too many of them think they are trapped. The others end up divorcing first chance they get, likely not without physical and emotional harm done to them by their male partners.

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Anonymous wrote:Newsflash! Some men have figured out they like being by themselves! As a result of not chasing after the unobtainable (most women today)....more and more men are discovering that a life with NO drama, NO stress, NO angst, NO arguing, NO conflict in their lives....while coming home to a peaceful home each and every day....is FAN-frickING-TASTIC!!!!!!!!!!!!! Their expenses are much lower....they are able to live within their means....and they can save money (if we choose)! In addition, men have plenty of free time to partake in activities that bring them actual pleasure WITHOUT having to explain/justify to some emotional/moody/argumentative/impossible to please female.
How hard is that to understand?

Most women aren't unobtainable though. They just... have standards. Sad that you think being in a relationship = drama, stress, angst, arguing, conflict. How many relationships have you been in? Do you blame the woman for all of those issues?

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Anonymous wrote:Newsflash! Some men have figured out they like being by themselves! As a result of not chasing after the unobtainable (most women today)....more and more men are discovering that a life with NO drama, NO stress, NO angst, NO arguing, NO conflict in their lives....while coming home to a peaceful home each and every day....is FAN-frickING-TASTIC!!!!!!!!!!!!! Their expenses are much lower....they are able to live within their means....and they can save money (if we choose)! In addition, men have plenty of free time to partake in activities that bring them actual pleasure WITHOUT having to explain/justify to some emotional/moody/argumentative/impossible to please female.
How hard is that to understand?

Not hard at all, all-caps bro. Plenty of women feel the same way.

Enjoy your celibacy!

They don't have to be celibate.Women are very easy these days. Are you even able to follow this thread? If a man is a 7 or 8, he can bang a hopeful 5 or 6 any night of the week.

If this were true, there would be far fewer incels. Women have never been "easy".

When they say bang they mean pay a prostitute or OF girl for pics. They aren't out there banging women (even 5s and 6s!) whenever they want. And if theyre an 8, theyre probably not the single guys these incels are talking about lolol.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:But they are unobtainable. 3% of men are 6ft tall or taller and also earn over $100k per year. That's what women everywhere are saying is the minimum standard. They won't "settle" for anything less.
Take 2 seconds and read this forum and see how all the women here immediately write off a guy that makes under $100k

This is an UMC forum demographic-wise, so not sure why you would use what is said on this forum as at all representative of the US.

Considering 53% of adult men are married...including 23% of 25 year old men are either married or already divorced...and there aren't anywhere close to 23% of 25 year old men that are either 6 ft or make over $100k...it seems that in fact women are obtainable.

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Anonymous wrote:But they are unobtainable. 3% of men are 6ft tall or taller and also earn over $100k per year. That's what women everywhere are saying is the minimum standard. They won't "settle" for anything less.
Take 2 seconds and read this forum and see how all the women here immediately write off a guy that makes under $100k

No. Women are not saying this. Andrew Tate is telling you this. Stop listening to incels giving incels advice and maybe you wouldn't be an incel.

[Anonymous]

I’m a guy - I want to sympathize with this guy(s) who keep posting - and they have some points about the double standards applied these days. But the sex tourism and “girls are easy now” and all the weird Tateworld stuff and everything that stems from it is legitimately concerning. The radicalization of young men is rapidly spreading. It is a cancer. They don’t realize they’re being influenced by malign actors who are trying to destroy western society.

Take some responsibility for your own actions . Stop blaming women. Stop watching YouTube. You’re not entitled to anything.

The fact that this whole men’s rights/incel perspective is what passes for conservatism these days is disgusting. What happened to pulling yourself up by your bootstraps and not whining like a little b**ch about how unfair things are and how everyone is out to get you? Man up. You are pathetic.

[Anonymous]

Men used to give money to women for sex—that was the basis of the relationship. Today, women don’t need money as much. Women are free to choose based on non-financial characteristics and do so. Many men understand they aren’t offering enough to satisfy women and retreat accordingly.

The issue is that women all want the same few men, so those men now get sex without having to pay. Unfortunately, most women can’t articulate the reasons why a man they like should give them a relationship. The women aren’t getting a relationship and bonding decreases overall.

Women have not had freedom to choose maybe ever, so they evolved to fit the prior system. There will be significant growing pains for a new system; however, global birth rates suggest the future will be much more retrograde.

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Anonymous wrote:Today the average woman wants absolutely nothing to do with the average man. If a man is not at least 6 feet tall & makes at least 6 figures he is almost completely out of the dating pool. Because a male 9 hooked up with her one night because he was drunk & bored a female 4 thinks she is owed a 9 or 10 high value man & will settle for nothing less.

Because of the combination of the IPhone dating apps, social media, the Covid/George Floyd insanity of 2020, & 3rd wave feminism we have a lost generation of women. And the show Sex & the City convinced women they could move to a big city, be boss babes & ride the cock carousel with every man they could & still think high value men would still want to date & marry them. What is going on right now is a ticking time bomb for our society & it’s not going to end well.

You talk about how women want these things, using a scale/rating system men created to objectify women. Sounds like classic "you can dish it out, but can't take it".

When women started working and no longer had to put up with men to survive, they started playing the same games men do, and men lost. Instead of leveling up (e.g. learning some emotional intelligence, how to connect with women as people, etc) men retreated to porn and bro culture and whinged about how women didn't exist solely to please them anymore. They're not wrong now; women exist to please themselves, just like men always have. They were wrong then, when they thought/expected women to cater to them and grew soft and weak while women did all the emotional labor of maintaining relationships. Now, men with atrophied emotional muscle are being tasked with actually connecting with women as humans and, well, y'all suck at it.

Work harder. Suck less.

But they don't. They whine and complain and want to regress (i.e. "make ______ great again" where "great" equals "easier for mediocre men")

And yet women are the ones making NYT editorials about where the men have gone. It seems like you didn't "win" anything but hubris.

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Anonymous wrote:But they are unobtainable. 3% of men are 6ft tall or taller and also earn over $100k per year. That's what women everywhere are saying is the minimum standard. They won't "settle" for anything less.
Take 2 seconds and read this forum and see how all the women here immediately write off a guy that makes under $100k

I don't think those stats are true. 6'0 is 85th percentile, but I think it's a lot higher in certain races (AA and whites). While most women want 6'0+, I think 5'10+ is still perfectly fine. That's the average height in the US.

It also says that 25% of men make 100k+ a year. I'm sure that includes 18-30 year olds who are still rising in earning power.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I’m a guy - I want to sympathize with this guy(s) who keep posting - and they have some points about the double standards applied these days. But the sex tourism and “girls are easy now” and all the weird Tateworld stuff and everything that stems from it is legitimately concerning. The radicalization of young men is rapidly spreading. It is a cancer. They don’t realize they’re being influenced by malign actors who are trying to destroy western society.

Take some responsibility for your own actions . Stop blaming women. Stop watching YouTube. You’re not entitled to anything.

The fact that this whole men’s rights/incel perspective is what passes for conservatism these days is disgusting. What happened to pulling yourself up by your bootstraps and not whining like a little b**ch about how unfair things are and how everyone is out to get you? Man up. You are pathetic.

Why would men support a system they think is unfair and doesn’t work for them?

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Anonymous wrote:Women have taken half the high level jobs that used to belong to men in an effort to feel safe and secure with their lives. Good for them, that's understandable.
But they haven't realized by doing that, they shrunk the dating pool considerably. Now there are even less men that are "marriage worthy" and there is more competition for those men.
Men are fine marrying the waitress that is nice to them and runs a tight ship around the house. He would be happy providing her a nice lifestyle. Women will not marry the male equivalent. That's why it seems that there are so few quality men. It's simply due to women's standards are not reasonable considering what's available. So they either need to stay single or learn to find happiness with a man that treats them well even if he is 5'8" and makes $50k a year

+1.

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Anonymous wrote:Men used to give money to women for sex—that was the basis of the relationship. Today, women don’t need money as much. Women are free to choose based on non-financial characteristics and do so. Many men understand they aren’t offering enough to satisfy women and retreat accordingly.

The issue is that women all want the same few men, so those men now get sex without having to pay. Unfortunately, most women can’t articulate the reasons why a man they like should give them a relationship. The women aren’t getting a relationship and bonding decreases overall.

Women have not had freedom to choose maybe ever, so they evolved to fit the prior system. There will be significant growing pains for a new system; however, global birth rates suggest the future will be much more retrograde.

I have no idea what this means - but if you’re basically saying that as society has evolved, especially as technology proliferates, it’s created/allowed to exist men and women with fatal personality flaws that will mean the “eligible” pool of mates shrinks on both sides - I think you are correct.

Men are increasingly radicalized into weird fringe beliefs and women are told they have to have it all and that getting anything from a man is a sign of dependence and that anything other than this and they’re a failure. This creates impossible expectations and high anxiety.

Each extreme is magnified by the existence of the other.

I hope social media dies. It’s hard to know this but there’s a huge number of lovely men and women who exist.

The book Bowling Alone was prophetic. To get find people offline understand the book. You don’t have to join a bowling league - but maybe softball or kickball? Church? Rock climbing? Whatever it is - find a social circle of people whose feet touch the ground. I guess I’m an old timer now but i was shocked when I learned softball and kickball are “sus” now. We get what we deserve and the declining social connectedness and fabric is self imposed by consumption of social media being a substitute for actual human interaction.

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Anonymous wrote:Men are cracking up at this article online, and the comments are gold. For years now, women have been telling men to go away, you're lower than dirt. We don't need you! Well, they listened, and they want nothing to do with you. They are happy to pay off their mortgages and cars, and hang out with the guys, hassle free. And now you want them back? They're saying no, thanks. We're good.

Might want to look further south at more traditional cultures, that value masculinity and marriage.

Many are moving here.

The marriage rate in DCnis higher than every southern state and the marriage rate in NY state is also higher than 1/2 the southern states including GA, LA, KY and MS.

Nevada and Hawaii are the highest and Louisiana is the lowest.

Might want to look at the per capita socioeconomics on that. There's a particular demographic whose getting married and who are just baby mamas and daddies.