Should influencers be allowed to sue to block public records requests?

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Anonymous wrote:Everyone has the right to 'sue to block public records requests'. Everyone has the right to do what this family did, influencers or not. This premise is silly.

Well the judge only saw fit to block two pages and now everyone knows what a dolt the husband is. Even then we all suspected it.

Will be interesting to see if/when she revives her channel.

Right but the question was about their rights. Not sure why they should have fewer rights than anyone else.

Fewer? In an average situation like this, all of the info would have been public record. They have been more protected, not less.

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Anonymous wrote:If you read the report, they had alarms on all exterior doors but they were not turned off. They also had a katchakid netting system for the pool but both parents said they since they had been using the pool often, they hadn’t put it on between swims. The dad was feeding the baby a bottle. He had warmed it and was still feeding the baby when he ran out to the pool, he actually set the baby down outside and dove in to get the toddler. The toddler has taken swimming lessons and according to the report he was swimming for 2 minutes before going under but the area where he fell in didn’t have anywhere for him to grab or get out. He normally was very cautious around the pool (wouldn’t go in on his own) but in this case he tripped over something he was carrying and fell in.

The dad was sports betting in basketball and he won $100 on his sports betting. Crazy that someone on here is sticking up for the dad.

The 3 year old tripped and fell into the pool and was treading water for two minutes before he could no longer get air. He floated unconscious on his stomach for 7 minutes until his father noticed the dog looking into the pool and that’s when he noticed his 3 y/o floating in the pool who was outside unsupervised (both parents admitted to the police that their son couldn’t swim) for 9+ minutes and his father was watching basketball and blaming the newborn for him being distracted until the police confronted him and he had to change his story because it was caught on camera.

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Anonymous wrote:If you read the report, they had alarms on all exterior doors but they were not turned off. They also had a katchakid netting system for the pool but both parents said they since they had been using the pool often, they hadn’t put it on between swims. The dad was feeding the baby a bottle. He had warmed it and was still feeding the baby when he ran out to the pool, he actually set the baby down outside and dove in to get the toddler. The toddler has taken swimming lessons and according to the report he was swimming for 2 minutes before going under but the area where he fell in didn’t have anywhere for him to grab or get out. He normally was very cautious around the pool (wouldn’t go in on his own) but in this case he tripped over something he was carrying and fell in.

The dad was sports betting in basketball and he won $100 on his sports betting. Crazy that someone on here is sticking up for the dad.

The 3 year old tripped and fell into the pool and was treading water for two minutes before he could no longer get air. He floated unconscious on his stomach for 7 minutes until his father noticed the dog looking into the pool and that’s when he noticed his 3 y/o floating in the pool who was outside unsupervised (both parents admitted to the police that their son couldn’t swim) for 9+ minutes and his father was watching basketball and blaming the newborn for him being distracted until the police confronted him and he had to change his story because it was caught on camera.

Poor sweet baby.

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Anonymous wrote:If you read the report, they had alarms on all exterior doors but they were not turned off. They also had a katchakid netting system for the pool but both parents said they since they had been using the pool often, they hadn’t put it on between swims. The dad was feeding the baby a bottle. He had warmed it and was still feeding the baby when he ran out to the pool, he actually set the baby down outside and dove in to get the toddler. The toddler has taken swimming lessons and according to the report he was swimming for 2 minutes before going under but the area where he fell in didn’t have anywhere for him to grab or get out. He normally was very cautious around the pool (wouldn’t go in on his own) but in this case he tripped over something he was carrying and fell in.

Wasn’t the dad also placing gambling bets whilst the child was drowning in the pool?

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Anonymous wrote:So they had a lot of safety measures but had become complacent and didn’t use them.

But they didn’t have the big one, which was a fence.

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Anonymous wrote:If you read the report, they had alarms on all exterior doors but they were not turned off. They also had a katchakid netting system for the pool but both parents said they since they had been using the pool often, they hadn’t put it on between swims. The dad was feeding the baby a bottle. He had warmed it and was still feeding the baby when he ran out to the pool, he actually set the baby down outside and dove in to get the toddler. The toddler has taken swimming lessons and according to the report he was swimming for 2 minutes before going under but the area where he fell in didn’t have anywhere for him to grab or get out. He normally was very cautious around the pool (wouldn’t go in on his own) but in this case he tripped over something he was carrying and fell in.

Wasn’t the dad also placing gambling bets whilst the child was drowning in the pool?

No, the unemployed SAHD placed the bets earlier. He was locked in to the game to see if his over under hit. The player he bet on was injured, prolonging the game. As soon as the game ended (6:40) he noticed his son was facebown in the pool, dead, and called 911

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Anonymous wrote:So they had a lot of safety measures but had become complacent and didn’t use them.

But they didn’t have the big one, which was a fence.

The child was three. He just learned how to open doors. You can’t “become” complacent about measures you never even implemented. This isn’t like a situation with a third or fourth child and a parent growing weary of drawer pulls. The child basically died because security measures were NEVER implemented

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Anonymous wrote:If you read the report, they had alarms on all exterior doors but they were not turned off. They also had a katchakid netting system for the pool but both parents said they since they had been using the pool often, they hadn’t put it on between swims. The dad was feeding the baby a bottle. He had warmed it and was still feeding the baby when he ran out to the pool, he actually set the baby down outside and dove in to get the toddler. The toddler has taken swimming lessons and according to the report he was swimming for 2 minutes before going under but the area where he fell in didn’t have anywhere for him to grab or get out. He normally was very cautious around the pool (wouldn’t go in on his own) but in this case he tripped over something he was carrying and fell in.

The dad was sports betting in basketball and he won $100 on his sports betting. Crazy that someone on here is sticking up for the dad.

The 3 year old tripped and fell into the pool and was treading water for two minutes before he could no longer get air. He floated unconscious on his stomach for 7 minutes until his father noticed the dog looking into the pool and that’s when he noticed his 3 y/o floating in the pool who was outside unsupervised (both parents admitted to the police that their son couldn’t swim) for 9+ minutes and his father was watching basketball and blaming the newborn for him being distracted until the police confronted him and he had to change his story because it was caught on camera.

I am not sticking up for dad. He was clearly inattentive and that decision cost his son his life and likely will destroy to some degree the lives of the rest of the family. I am stating facts from the report that haven’t yet been discussed (feeding newborn, netting, alarms, swimming lessons)

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:So they had a lot of safety measures but had become complacent and didn’t use them.

But they didn’t have the big one, which was a fence.

Or exterior doors not able to be opened by 3 year olds. Or a door alarm to alert them he was outside, which probably wouldn’t have helped since they admitted they regularly leave him out there unattended.

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Anonymous wrote:If you read the report, they had alarms on all exterior doors but they were not turned off. They also had a katchakid netting system for the pool but both parents said they since they had been using the pool often, they hadn’t put it on between swims. The dad was feeding the baby a bottle. He had warmed it and was still feeding the baby when he ran out to the pool, he actually set the baby down outside and dove in to get the toddler. The toddler has taken swimming lessons and according to the report he was swimming for 2 minutes before going under but the area where he fell in didn’t have anywhere for him to grab or get out. He normally was very cautious around the pool (wouldn’t go in on his own) but in this case he tripped over something he was carrying and fell in.

Wasn’t the dad also placing gambling bets whilst the child was drowning in the pool?

No, the unemployed SAHD placed the bets earlier. He was locked in to the game to see if his over under hit. The player he bet on was injured, prolonging the game. As soon as the game ended (6:40) he noticed his son was facebown in the pool, dead, and called 911

Enraging!

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Anonymous wrote:These comments are so mean.

Emilie was/is considered one of the more normal and down to earth mom 'influencers' too. A wholesome sweetheart. Just tragic.

Tragic for her. Her deadbeat husband was betting on basketball rather than parenting. He’s criminally negligent and lucky he isn’t being charged.

PP here. I can definitely see this. But she is getting hammered just for being an 'influencer'.

And? You really want people here to stop talking about this but they don't have to just because you say so.

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Anonymous wrote:I'm assuming the judges are deciding these cases on an individual level according to the facts. So, I'll trust them to make the decisions.

I would like the judge to say to her, “oh, so you think there is too much public interest in the death of your child? Maybe you should have thought about that before selling your family for profit.”

Here is a novel idea. MIND YOUR OWN BUSINESS!!!!

But then how would they get rich influencing? Their entire business model depends on people not minding their business.

That is also none of your business. I think it's kind of gross that people want these records.

If the info is out there concerning everyone else, there is something absolutely gross, dishonest, abusive about her trying to hide what is public information. 911 calls are public. She has no right to block those and I don't give one crap about what you think of people who listen to them.

It also *is* other people's business when a child dies for preventable reasons. If there's a police report, there is almost always a public interest in releasing it. In this case:

- releasing the police report helps disseminate information about pool safety and might alert other parents with backyard pools to how quickly a child can die because you have failed to secure your pool or supervise the child closely enough. Releasing the report can save lives.

- alerts others in the community to the fact that this family has an unsecured pool and a history of failing to supervise kids. Not only will this let others know that their kids are not safe at these people's house, but it might make them more thoughtful about taking their kids to other homes and know better what to look for or ask about.

While I would ordinarily be inclined to agree, the strange obsession with this accident is creepy. I find it deeply disturbing, and perhaps strong privacy protections is the only way to address that.

Without a doubt you are being paid by the family. There is no strange obsession. There is outrage that parents caused their child to die due to their own blind self interest.

About 400 kids die of each year in pool drownings, many in similar circumstances to this one. How many of those have you posted about?

Do those 400 people put themselves out there as some type of model family that we should emulate, and capitalize on that? If not, it’s apples and oranges.

This is all about disdain towards influencers and the influencer culture. People don't really care that much about the kid who died though the disdain is couched in that 'concern'.

Oh you have to live among us terrible people. We'll what are you going to do to get rid of us?

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Anonymous wrote:These comments are so mean.

Emilie was/is considered one of the more normal and down to earth mom 'influencers' too. A wholesome sweetheart. Just tragic.

Tragic for her. Her deadbeat husband was betting on basketball rather than parenting. He’s criminally negligent and lucky he isn’t being charged.

PP here. I can definitely see this. But she is getting hammered just for being an 'influencer'.

And? You really want people here to stop talking about this but they don't have to just because you say so.

It’s more than a little odd that people here are obsessed with a months old accidental drowning in Arizona.

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Anonymous wrote:I'm assuming the judges are deciding these cases on an individual level according to the facts. So, I'll trust them to make the decisions.

I would like the judge to say to her, “oh, so you think there is too much public interest in the death of your child? Maybe you should have thought about that before selling your family for profit.”

Here is a novel idea. MIND YOUR OWN BUSINESS!!!!

But then how would they get rich influencing? Their entire business model depends on people not minding their business.

That is also none of your business. I think it's kind of gross that people want these records.

If the info is out there concerning everyone else, there is something absolutely gross, dishonest, abusive about her trying to hide what is public information. 911 calls are public. She has no right to block those and I don't give one crap about what you think of people who listen to them.

It also *is* other people's business when a child dies for preventable reasons. If there's a police report, there is almost always a public interest in releasing it. In this case:

- releasing the police report helps disseminate information about pool safety and might alert other parents with backyard pools to how quickly a child can die because you have failed to secure your pool or supervise the child closely enough. Releasing the report can save lives.

- alerts others in the community to the fact that this family has an unsecured pool and a history of failing to supervise kids. Not only will this let others know that their kids are not safe at these people's house, but it might make them more thoughtful about taking their kids to other homes and know better what to look for or ask about.

While I would ordinarily be inclined to agree, the strange obsession with this accident is creepy. I find it deeply disturbing, and perhaps strong privacy protections is the only way to address that.

Without a doubt you are being paid by the family. There is no strange obsession. There is outrage that parents caused their child to die due to their own blind self interest.

About 400 kids die of each year in pool drownings, many in similar circumstances to this one. How many of those have you posted about?

Do those 400 people put themselves out there as some type of model family that we should emulate, and capitalize on that? If not, it’s apples and oranges.

Where did they provide relevant recommendations to their viewers related to this accident?

Another PP noted that she would delete comments and block people when they pointed out that fencing a pool would be safer.

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Anonymous wrote:These comments are so mean.

Emilie was/is considered one of the more normal and down to earth mom 'influencers' too. A wholesome sweetheart. Just tragic.

Tragic for her. Her deadbeat husband was betting on basketball rather than parenting. He’s criminally negligent and lucky he isn’t being charged.

The report was just released Friday. So, yeah. The details are the reason for the luncheon of public opinion. Is this really mysterious to you?
PP here. I can definitely see this. But she is getting hammered just for being an 'influencer'.

And? You really want people here to stop talking about this but they don't have to just because you say so.

It’s more than a little odd that people here are obsessed with a months old accidental drowning in Arizona.