DOJ civil rights probe into TJ admissions policies

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The whole reason they eliminated the test was because it created too high of a barrier for URMs. Do a quick google search for FCpS board docs and you will see that they clearly state that. They were not able to get to their desired racial makeup of the school with having an admissions test (no matter what test it was) because not enough URMs could score the 50% or 60% needed to move to the second round.

The board docs also show that they added experience factor bonus points and discussed how many points would be needed to make the desired racial makeup/FRM student number go up.

Yes, students “prepped” for the test. Literally any high achieving student prepares for tests. No prep centers had all of the questions with answers. They had study materials and past test questions they could use. This is the same for when kids prep for SOLs, SATs, admissions to Stuyavesant, etc. Amazon had prep books for $20 or less.

The fact still remains that students who scored below 50% are not the top stem students and shouldn’t be going to TJ. 3.5 GPA in middle school isn’t a very high barrier, especially considering the FCPS retake policy.

The TJ application booths are wide open for anyone to apply, no entrance test required, like the STEM carnival that awaits everyone willing to put in the hardwork.

Even after removing the test, for 550 available seats, there are less than 400 URM applications, about the same as when the test was still in place.

What could be the reason for this lack of interest in STEM among URMs? Should TJ curriculum standard be lowered to make it convenient for URMs to consider TJ? In contrast, there are about 1700 asian american applicants and about 500 caucasian applicants, who somehow seem to be eager to learn STEM. What can done to encourage URMs to put in similar hardwork to prep for the difficult STEM subjects like calculus, electromagnetism, dna science, organic chemistry, machine learning, etc?

Universal lottery system. Mix up all of the ESs/MSs.

As it is, with essay lottery, a hundred students are already sprinting back to their base schools, yelling - TJ is too hard! If they go full lottery, TJ classrooms might echo like an almost deserted haunted house with thick calculus books lying around.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:If equity for POC was the goal, then why did white enrollment increase? it's so obvious what is going on.

White enrollment increased more than you think, since most Hispanics are white. I have no idea why non-disadvantaged middle and upper middle class white Hispanics are considered URMs.

Because the whole point of identity politics is to avoid judging people based on their individual circumstances or merit and to judge them instead as a member of an identity group.

If you are black or Hispanic you are considered disadvantaged even if your parents/family are wealthy and educated.

Meanwhile if you are white (or Asian) you are presumed to be advantaged even if your family was dirt poor and uneducated.

Exactly.

Identity politics in this case involves the identity of young children. The party pushing identity politics demands we examine the child’s skin color, then place children into different baskets. Some baskets are given advantages over other baskets.

To keep public advantages from going to white children, we used to divide whites from everyone else by calling everyone else “minorities,” and just assuming that white racism disadvantaged all minorities.

But then that one party noticed certain dark skinned groups of children performed even better than whites, despite the old working theory about every white having every unearned advantage (might even say, maybe “privilege”).

So, to that certain divisive, pro-basket party, the problem became:

- how can that party keep those dark-skinned Indians and Asian children from getting into TJ? They came up with a proxy for race, and they continue to call it “experience factors.”

That party is the democrat party, of course, and they really are quite racist; they are obsessed with dividing children and tying to gain political advantage through race (as well as other “identities”).

I personally believe the democrats’ racism is un-American and it is offensive to the meritocracy this country was founded upon.

Hopefully, the courts agree.

This really comes down to dems being afraid of confronting black and brown communities over the way they raise children at large.

Single parent households among black and brown communities massively outweigh those of Asian and white communities and is directly correlated to poverty which directly affects childhood academic outcomes.

This isn’t rocket science.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The whole reason they eliminated the test was because it created too high of a barrier for URMs. Do a quick google search for FCpS board docs and you will see that they clearly state that. They were not able to get to their desired racial makeup of the school with having an admissions test (no matter what test it was) because not enough URMs could score the 50% or 60% needed to move to the second round.

The board docs also show that they added experience factor bonus points and discussed how many points would be needed to make the desired racial makeup/FRM student number go up.

Yes, students “prepped” for the test. Literally any high achieving student prepares for tests. No prep centers had all of the questions with answers. They had study materials and past test questions they could use. This is the same for when kids prep for SOLs, SATs, admissions to Stuyavesant, etc. Amazon had prep books for $20 or less.

The fact still remains that students who scored below 50% are not the top stem students and shouldn’t be going to TJ. 3.5 GPA in middle school isn’t a very high barrier, especially considering the FCPS retake policy.

The TJ application booths are wide open for anyone to apply, no entrance test required, like the STEM carnival that awaits everyone willing to put in the hardwork.

Even after removing the test, for 550 available seats, there are less than 400 URM applications, about the same as when the test was still in place.

What could be the reason for this lack of interest in STEM among URMs? Should TJ curriculum standard be lowered to make it convenient for URMs to consider TJ? In contrast, there are about 1700 asian american applicants and about 500 caucasian applicants, who somehow seem to be eager to learn STEM. What can done to encourage URMs to put in similar hardwork to prep for the difficult STEM subjects like calculus, electromagnetism, dna science, organic chemistry, machine learning, etc?

Universal lottery system. Mix up all of the ESs/MSs.

As it is, with essay lottery, a hundred students are already sprinting back to their base schools, yelling - TJ is too hard! If they go full lottery, TJ classrooms might echo like an almost deserted haunted house with thick calculus books lying around.

I meant full lottery for enrollment in ES and MS. No more neighborhood schools.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:If equity for POC was the goal, then why did white enrollment increase? it's so obvious what is going on.

White enrollment increased more than you think, since most Hispanics are white. I have no idea why non-disadvantaged middle and upper middle class white Hispanics are considered URMs.

Because the whole point of identity politics is to avoid judging people based on their individual circumstances or merit and to judge them instead as a member of an identity group.

If you are black or Hispanic you are considered disadvantaged even if your parents/family are wealthy and educated.

Meanwhile if you are white (or Asian) you are presumed to be advantaged even if your family was dirt poor and uneducated.

Exactly.

Identity politics in this case involves the identity of young children. The party pushing identity politics demands we examine the child’s skin color, then place children into different baskets. Some baskets are given advantages over other baskets.

To keep public advantages from going to white children, we used to divide whites from everyone else by calling everyone else “minorities,” and just assuming that white racism disadvantaged all minorities.

But then that one party noticed certain dark skinned groups of children performed even better than whites, despite the old working theory about every white having every unearned advantage (might even say, maybe “privilege”).

So, to that certain divisive, pro-basket party, the problem became:

- how can that party keep those dark-skinned Indians and Asian children from getting into TJ? They came up with a proxy for race, and they continue to call it “experience factors.”

That party is the democrat party, of course, and they really are quite racist; they are obsessed with dividing children and tying to gain political advantage through race (as well as other “identities”).

I personally believe the democrats’ racism is un-American and it is offensive to the meritocracy this country was founded upon.

Hopefully, the courts agree.

RWNJ drivel.

The TJ admissions process is race blind.

No baskets, outside of the deplorables who continue to sht on our schools, including TJ.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:If equity for POC was the goal, then why did white enrollment increase? it's so obvious what is going on.

White enrollment increased more than you think, since most Hispanics are white. I have no idea why non-disadvantaged middle and upper middle class white Hispanics are considered URMs.

Because the whole point of identity politics is to avoid judging people based on their individual circumstances or merit and to judge them instead as a member of an identity group.

If you are black or Hispanic you are considered disadvantaged even if your parents/family are wealthy and educated.

Meanwhile if you are white (or Asian) you are presumed to be advantaged even if your family was dirt poor and uneducated.

Exactly.

Identity politics in this case involves the identity of young children. The party pushing identity politics demands we examine the child’s skin color, then place children into different baskets. Some baskets are given advantages over other baskets.

To keep public advantages from going to white children, we used to divide whites from everyone else by calling everyone else “minorities,” and just assuming that white racism disadvantaged all minorities.

But then that one party noticed certain dark skinned groups of children performed even better than whites, despite the old working theory about every white having every unearned advantage (might even say, maybe “privilege”).

So, to that certain divisive, pro-basket party, the problem became:

- how can that party keep those dark-skinned Indians and Asian children from getting into TJ? They came up with a proxy for race, and they continue to call it “experience factors.”

That party is the democrat party, of course, and they really are quite racist; they are obsessed with dividing children and tying to gain political advantage through race (as well as other “identities”).

I personally believe the democrats’ racism is un-American and it is offensive to the meritocracy this country was founded upon.

Hopefully, the courts agree.

RWNJ drivel.

The TJ admissions process is race blind.

No baskets, outside of the deplorables who continue to sht on our schools, including TJ.

It is sad you do not even understand the meaning of the word “proxy.”

[Anonymous]

RWNJ drivel.

The TJ admissions process is race blind.

No baskets, outside of the deplorables who continue to sht on our schools, including TJ.


This is why the Democrats are alienating the Asian community. I don’t know who or what RWNJ is - I am sure the more politically inclined folks are aware. There is a sense that Asians are collateral damage in whatever big game the Dems are playing. And the Dems don’t care.

But the PP’s post on identity politics resonated with me. And the RWNJ poster dismissive response tells me how the Dems feel. The TJ episode is representative of the marginalization of Asians from a Dem perspective.

[Anonymous]

I don't know that retention is the number you want to look at. According to a teacher at TJ, the Asian parents force their kids to stay at TJ when they are miserable (you don't have to be failing to be miserable there).

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The whole reason they eliminated the test was because it created too high of a barrier for URMs. Do a quick google search for FCpS board docs and you will see that they clearly state that. They were not able to get to their desired racial makeup of the school with having an admissions test (no matter what test it was) because not enough URMs could score the 50% or 60% needed to move to the second round.

The board docs also show that they added experience factor bonus points and discussed how many points would be needed to make the desired racial makeup/FRM student number go up.

Yes, students “prepped” for the test. Literally any high achieving student prepares for tests. No prep centers had all of the questions with answers. They had study materials and past test questions they could use. This is the same for when kids prep for SOLs, SATs, admissions to Stuyavesant, etc. Amazon had prep books for $20 or less.

The fact still remains that students who scored below 50% are not the top stem students and shouldn’t be going to TJ. 3.5 GPA in middle school isn’t a very high barrier, especially considering the FCPS retake policy.

The TJ application booths are wide open for anyone to apply, no entrance test required, like the STEM carnival that awaits everyone willing to put in the hardwork.

Even after removing the test, for 550 available seats, there are less than 400 URM applications, about the same as when the test was still in place.

What could be the reason for this lack of interest in STEM among URMs? Should TJ curriculum standard be lowered to make it convenient for URMs to consider TJ? In contrast, there are about 1700 asian american applicants and about 500 caucasian applicants, who somehow seem to be eager to learn STEM. What can done to encourage URMs to put in similar hardwork to prep for the difficult STEM subjects like calculus, electromagnetism, dna science, organic chemistry, machine learning, etc?

Universal lottery system. Mix up all of the ESs/MSs.

As it is, with essay lottery, a hundred students are already sprinting back to their base schools, yelling - TJ is too hard! If they go full lottery, TJ classrooms might echo like an almost deserted haunted house with thick calculus books lying around.

I meant full lottery for enrollment in ES and MS. No more neighborhood schools.

bussing 6year old kids all over the county? For what?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:If equity for POC was the goal, then why did white enrollment increase? it's so obvious what is going on.

White enrollment increased more than you think, since most Hispanics are white. I have no idea why non-disadvantaged middle and upper middle class white Hispanics are considered URMs.

Because the whole point of identity politics is to avoid judging people based on their individual circumstances or merit and to judge them instead as a member of an identity group.

If you are black or Hispanic you are considered disadvantaged even if your parents/family are wealthy and educated.

Meanwhile if you are white (or Asian) you are presumed to be advantaged even if your family was dirt poor and uneducated.

Exactly.

Identity politics in this case involves the identity of young children. The party pushing identity politics demands we examine the child’s skin color, then place children into different baskets. Some baskets are given advantages over other baskets.

To keep public advantages from going to white children, we used to divide whites from everyone else by calling everyone else “minorities,” and just assuming that white racism disadvantaged all minorities.

But then that one party noticed certain dark skinned groups of children performed even better than whites, despite the old working theory about every white having every unearned advantage (might even say, maybe “privilege”).

So, to that certain divisive, pro-basket party, the problem became:

- how can that party keep those dark-skinned Indians and Asian children from getting into TJ? They came up with a proxy for race, and they continue to call it “experience factors.”

That party is the democrat party, of course, and they really are quite racist; they are obsessed with dividing children and tying to gain political advantage through race (as well as other “identities”).

I personally believe the democrats’ racism is un-American and it is offensive to the meritocracy this country was founded upon.

Hopefully, the courts agree.

This really comes down to dems being afraid of confronting black and brown communities over the way they raise children at large.

Single parent households among black and brown communities massively outweigh those of Asian and white communities and is directly correlated to poverty which directly affects childhood academic outcomes.

This isn’t rocket science.

This is so true. If you want happy and productive children, marry wisely and stay married.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:If equity for POC was the goal, then why did white enrollment increase? it's so obvious what is going on.

White enrollment increased more than you think, since most Hispanics are white. I have no idea why non-disadvantaged middle and upper middle class white Hispanics are considered URMs.

Because the whole point of identity politics is to avoid judging people based on their individual circumstances or merit and to judge them instead as a member of an identity group.

If you are black or Hispanic you are considered disadvantaged even if your parents/family are wealthy and educated.

Meanwhile if you are white (or Asian) you are presumed to be advantaged even if your family was dirt poor and uneducated.

Exactly.

Identity politics in this case involves the identity of young children. The party pushing identity politics demands we examine the child’s skin color, then place children into different baskets. Some baskets are given advantages over other baskets.

To keep public advantages from going to white children, we used to divide whites from everyone else by calling everyone else “minorities,” and just assuming that white racism disadvantaged all minorities.

But then that one party noticed certain dark skinned groups of children performed even better than whites, despite the old working theory about every white having every unearned advantage (might even say, maybe “privilege”).

So, to that certain divisive, pro-basket party, the problem became:

- how can that party keep those dark-skinned Indians and Asian children from getting into TJ? They came up with a proxy for race, and they continue to call it “experience factors.”

That party is the democrat party, of course, and they really are quite racist; they are obsessed with dividing children and tying to gain political advantage through race (as well as other “identities”).

I personally believe the democrats’ racism is un-American and it is offensive to the meritocracy this country was founded upon.

Hopefully, the courts agree.

This really comes down to dems being afraid of confronting black and brown communities over the way they raise children at large.

Single parent households among black and brown communities massively outweigh those of Asian and white communities and is directly correlated to poverty which directly affects childhood academic outcomes.

This isn’t rocket science.

What this got to do with TJ?

[Anonymous]

Thread about TJ is always more political than political forum…
Many politician in here… (sigh).

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:


RWNJ drivel.

The TJ admissions process is race blind.

No baskets, outside of the deplorables who continue to sht on our schools, including TJ.

This is why the Democrats are alienating the Asian community. I don’t know who or what RWNJ is - I am sure the more politically inclined folks are aware. There is a sense that Asians are collateral damage in whatever big game the Dems are playing. And the Dems don’t care.

But the PP’s post on identity politics resonated with me. And the RWNJ poster dismissive response tells me how the Dems feel. The TJ episode is representative of the marginalization of Asians from a Dem perspective.

The Dems are alienating everyone except black women and and white women. They are alienating all men and Asian sand Hispanic women.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:If equity for POC was the goal, then why did white enrollment increase? it's so obvious what is going on.

White enrollment increased more than you think, since most Hispanics are white. I have no idea why non-disadvantaged middle and upper middle class white Hispanics are considered URMs.

Because the whole point of identity politics is to avoid judging people based on their individual circumstances or merit and to judge them instead as a member of an identity group.

If you are black or Hispanic you are considered disadvantaged even if your parents/family are wealthy and educated.

Meanwhile if you are white (or Asian) you are presumed to be advantaged even if your family was dirt poor and uneducated.

Exactly.

Identity politics in this case involves the identity of young children. The party pushing identity politics demands we examine the child’s skin color, then place children into different baskets. Some baskets are given advantages over other baskets.

To keep public advantages from going to white children, we used to divide whites from everyone else by calling everyone else “minorities,” and just assuming that white racism disadvantaged all minorities.

But then that one party noticed certain dark skinned groups of children performed even better than whites, despite the old working theory about every white having every unearned advantage (might even say, maybe “privilege”).

So, to that certain divisive, pro-basket party, the problem became:

- how can that party keep those dark-skinned Indians and Asian children from getting into TJ? They came up with a proxy for race, and they continue to call it “experience factors.”

That party is the democrat party, of course, and they really are quite racist; they are obsessed with dividing children and tying to gain political advantage through race (as well as other “identities”).

I personally believe the democrats’ racism is un-American and it is offensive to the meritocracy this country was founded upon.

Hopefully, the courts agree.

This really comes down to dems being afraid of confronting black and brown communities over the way they raise children at large.

Single parent households among black and brown communities massively outweigh those of Asian and white communities and is directly correlated to poverty which directly affects childhood academic outcomes.

This isn’t rocket science.

What this got to do with TJ?

Same as your rwnj bs.

[Anonymous]

Dems calling fellow dems rwnj is hilarious

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:If equity for POC was the goal, then why did white enrollment increase? it's so obvious what is going on.

White enrollment increased more than you think, since most Hispanics are white. I have no idea why non-disadvantaged middle and upper middle class white Hispanics are considered URMs.

Because the whole point of identity politics is to avoid judging people based on their individual circumstances or merit and to judge them instead as a member of an identity group.

If you are black or Hispanic you are considered disadvantaged even if your parents/family are wealthy and educated.

Meanwhile if you are white (or Asian) you are presumed to be advantaged even if your family was dirt poor and uneducated.

Exactly.

Identity politics in this case involves the identity of young children. The party pushing identity politics demands we examine the child’s skin color, then place children into different baskets. Some baskets are given advantages over other baskets.

To keep public advantages from going to white children, we used to divide whites from everyone else by calling everyone else “minorities,” and just assuming that white racism disadvantaged all minorities.

But then that one party noticed certain dark skinned groups of children performed even better than whites, despite the old working theory about every white having every unearned advantage (might even say, maybe “privilege”).

So, to that certain divisive, pro-basket party, the problem became:

- how can that party keep those dark-skinned Indians and Asian children from getting into TJ? They came up with a proxy for race, and they continue to call it “experience factors.”

That party is the democrat party, of course, and they really are quite racist; they are obsessed with dividing children and tying to gain political advantage through race (as well as other “identities”).

I personally believe the democrats’ racism is un-American and it is offensive to the meritocracy this country was founded upon.

Hopefully, the courts agree.

RWNJ drivel.

The TJ admissions process is race blind.

No baskets, outside of the deplorables who continue to sht on our schools, including TJ.

You are the reason why trump won the election.
We can see what is going on and your attempts at gaslighting us into forgetting the hearings and the statements about racial diversity at TJ really make everyone want top abandon the Democratic agenda.
The change in the admissions process was largely driven by concerns over racial diversity. I'm sure that there were some people that were concerned about test prep and economic diversity but for every article you can dig up on those topics, I can dig up at least 2 talking about race.

Racial concerns drove the change.