Terrible job market for recent grads

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:The White House is hiring staff.

Then you’ll never work in politics again, or worse, end up in jail.

Current White House staff will have the opportunity to work in the next Republican administration under President Vance. Then, with any luck, we will have President Stephen Miller and perhaps even President Charlie Kirk.

No they will all be in jail before too long.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:An Oracle employee told me that these listings do not appear on their public or internal listings. This not only perpetuates the anti-US citizen PERM green card scam, he says it stops US employees from seeing new pay rates! They pay H-1Bs MORE and HIDE IT.

Yup. Drive to Loudoun's Ashburn area (Broadlands). Huge influx of South Asians working in the high tech sector. They live in expensive new housing developments with bells and whistles, drive fancy vehicles, and have a SAHP. Their high salaries make it possible.

In a world where SAHP is now a distant dream for most Americans, high paying STEM jobs are being funneled specifically to immigrant South Asians.

They’re also taking advantage of the SBA 8a program and starting very lucrative government contracting businesses. They’re expanding out of Ashburn. Go to any mom and pop general store in the Shenandoah Valley and check out who now owns those stores. The US has a very generous visa/path to citizenship program for citizens of some countries.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Apart from all the hustle to earn money and get a job...

He needs to use online platforms to learn new skills in computers,
he needs to get certified more by using free resources,
make apps and put it on app-store,
get a masters,
tutor kids in CS,
take online classes,
work on his health and appearance,
change his diet to a more healthy diet,
learn how to cook/do laundry/clean/declutter,
start selling stuff on FB marketplace,
pick up stuff from Trash Nothing website and resell,
Sell all the crap in the house at FB marketplace,
Write children books
Think of an online game

Wha?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I’d rather be a recent grad with parents to lean onto for next few years than a middle aged man whose career is being destroyed with little prospects who has two teenagers, a mortgage and family to support and now elder care to also manage.

True. And the grads I've talked to understand this. But knowing things cou be worse doesn't really change their situation.

It doesn't change the fact that he doesn't have the tech job, but why can't he get a job? Our servers make $30-$50 an hour and we can't find workers. He should be working 20-30 hours a week, contributing to Roth IRA, and appreciating not having all the baggage of a middle age man and aches.
He doesn't have to take that job home and it's a good exercise. He has time to continue to learn CS on his own and network.
He can turn the $7k in Roth into $14k in one year. Add $7k in 2025 and double it all to $42k. Add another $7k to the $42k and double it again. Now he nearly has $100k and all the experience how it was done. My second doubling came within 6 months. Experience and learning from mistakes speeds it up. So does the higher balance.
By the way, restaurants feed him. Food is expensive after all.
Make sure he remembers and appreciates how easy his life actually is compared to family people.
If he does get a job, he may not be eligible for Roth once his income becomes too high.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Contributing to the problem is many young adults I know (kids of friends and colleagues, our sitters) graduate from college with very little real work experience because they spent their free time and summers in academic, sports and other extracurricular pursuits. I’ve asked many colleagues (government agencies) what their kids are doing this summer or where they’re working and discovers very few had regular jobs. My colleagues didn’t want them to have to work like they did or felt as if their kids are too good to work fast food and retail jobs.

When I was a hiring manager (entry level IT, help desk and sales for well known media company) of recent college grads, I eliminated candidates with no work experience and often hired candidates who worked retail or restaurants through college because I knew they could hustle and had drive (and I was right).

It's a choice. My kids were collegiate athletes and chose internships (all of which ended in job offers) vs playing their sport or "training" like a lot of their teammates. And yeah, my kids had jobs upon graduation and a lot of their teammates did not.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Contributing to the problem is many young adults I know (kids of friends and colleagues, our sitters) graduate from college with very little real work experience because they spent their free time and summers in academic, sports and other extracurricular pursuits. I’ve asked many colleagues (government agencies) what their kids are doing this summer or where they’re working and discovers very few had regular jobs. My colleagues didn’t want them to have to work like they did or felt as if their kids are too good to work fast food and retail jobs.

When I was a hiring manager (entry level IT, help desk and sales for well known media company) of recent college grads, I eliminated candidates with no work experience and often hired candidates who worked retail or restaurants through college because I knew they could hustle and had drive (and I was right).

I agree with this.

I am an attorney now. I started working retail jobs at 16 years old. It gave me My own money and taught me how to act in a workplace. Another colleague who had similar jobs used to remark about the new attorneys who seemed to have very little understanding of how to get along at a job because they had never worked. We both agreed that we learned some of our most valuable work and people skills in our part time retail jobs in HS and college.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Contributing to the problem is many young adults I know (kids of friends and colleagues, our sitters) graduate from college with very little real work experience because they spent their free time and summers in academic, sports and other extracurricular pursuits. I’ve asked many colleagues (government agencies) what their kids are doing this summer or where they’re working and discovers very few had regular jobs. My colleagues didn’t want them to have to work like they did or felt as if their kids are too good to work fast food and retail jobs.

When I was a hiring manager (entry level IT, help desk and sales for well known media company) of recent college grads, I eliminated candidates with no work experience and often hired candidates who worked retail or restaurants through college because I knew they could hustle and had drive (and I was right).

I agree with this.

I am an attorney now. I started working retail jobs at 16 years old. It gave me My own money and taught me how to act in a workplace. Another colleague who had similar jobs used to remark about the new attorneys who seemed to have very little understanding of how to get along at a job because they had never worked. We both agreed that we learned some of our most valuable work and people skills in our part time retail jobs in HS and college.

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The Job Listing Site Highlighting H-1B Positions So Americans Can Apply - https://www.newsweek.com/h1b-jobs-now-america...-green-cards-2041404

This site is awesome because it finds job listings meant to only be seen by H1Bs. Every American application to the job prevents it from being given to an H-1B.

So these employers conduct phony labor market tests, advertising the jobs in obscure newspapers in the hope that no American sees them. This website takes those hidden ads and posts them online. If Americans apply, the labor market test fails, and the H-1B’s green card is temporarily suspended until they try again.

Every qualified American should apply to these jobs so it creates headaches for the company where they’ll think twice about sponsoring visas.

[Anonymous]

“Sorry kids that learned to code like we said to. The market is full and we’re still bringing in the same # of “temporary” foreign tech workers. They’re really stacking up and using master’s programs to prolong their stay here and outcompete you. Have you looked into the trades?”

[Anonymous]

The people posting about how graduates should have fast food and retail experience don’t realize that many of those jobs have gone to full time year round workers including new legal workers (asylum seekers can legally work after a year).

We now live in CA where the minimum fast food wage is $20 an hour. My 16 year old applied to 10 fast food jobs in May and June. He got 2 interviews. When he said he could only work full time in the summer but could not work over 20 hours in the fall when school started he wasn’t hired.

The only jobs his friends got were life guarding and the attractive girls were hired as hostesses in restaurants.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:“Sorry kids that learned to code like we said to. The market is full and we’re still bringing in the same # of “temporary” foreign tech workers. They’re really stacking up and using master’s programs to prolong their stay here and outcompete you. Have you looked into the trades?”

The reason for the masters is it resets the OPT for another three years.
Hundreds of thousands of international students are graduating from US universities and getting hired for three years under a program called Optional Practical Training which allows STEM graduates to work in the U.S. for three years without paying into social security. This allows their employer to save 8% in each OPT employee.

Then if the person goes back to school to get a masters they get three more years to legally work under OPT.

So coding jobs are going to international students who are cheaper to hire and won’t advocate for better working conditions even though US students are not supposed to be displaced.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:An Oracle employee told me that these listings do not appear on their public or internal listings. This not only perpetuates the anti-US citizen PERM green card scam, he says it stops US employees from seeing new pay rates! They pay H-1Bs MORE and HIDE IT.

Yup. Drive to Loudoun's Ashburn area (Broadlands). Huge influx of South Asians working in the high tech sector. They live in expensive new housing developments with bells and whistles, drive fancy vehicles, and have a SAHP. Their high salaries make it possible.

In a world where SAHP is now a distant dream for most Americans, high paying STEM jobs are being funneled specifically to immigrant South Asians.

This paragraph is wild coming from a Harris voter?
and I am speaking as someone who was bullied by H1 workers and will not hire them on my own team. -.-

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Contributing to the problem is many young adults I know (kids of friends and colleagues, our sitters) graduate from college with very little real work experience because they spent their free time and summers in academic, sports and other extracurricular pursuits. I’ve asked many colleagues (government agencies) what their kids are doing this summer or where they’re working and discovers very few had regular jobs. My colleagues didn’t want them to have to work like they did or felt as if their kids are too good to work fast food and retail jobs.

When I was a hiring manager (entry level IT, help desk and sales for well known media company) of recent college grads, I eliminated candidates with no work experience and often hired candidates who worked retail or restaurants through college because I knew they could hustle and had drive (and I was right).

It's a choice. My kids were collegiate athletes and chose internships (all of which ended in job offers) vs playing their sport or "training" like a lot of their teammates. And yeah, my kids had jobs upon graduation and a lot of their teammates did not.

In my area, the teens can teach beginning level dance/sports class in their respective activities. Just because they are not working in retail, doesn't mean they aren't learning valuable skills.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:The people posting about how graduates should have fast food and retail experience don’t realize that many of those jobs have gone to full time year round workers including new legal workers (asylum seekers can legally work after a year).

We now live in CA where the minimum fast food wage is $20 an hour. My 16 year old applied to 10 fast food jobs in May and June. He got 2 interviews. When he said he could only work full time in the summer but could not work over 20 hours in the fall when school started he wasn’t hired.

The only jobs his friends got were life guarding and the attractive girls were hired as hostesses in restaurants.

and who has been to the mall lately?
working at the mall in early 2000 was fun, now every other store is one of those arcade game store where you interact with machines.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:The people posting about how graduates should have fast food and retail experience don’t realize that many of those jobs have gone to full time year round workers including new legal workers (asylum seekers can legally work after a year).

We now live in CA where the minimum fast food wage is $20 an hour. My 16 year old applied to 10 fast food jobs in May and June. He got 2 interviews. When he said he could only work full time in the summer but could not work over 20 hours in the fall when school started he wasn’t hired.

The only jobs his friends got were life guarding and the attractive girls were hired as hostesses in restaurants.

I spend equal time in DC and upstate NY and I see tons of high school and college age kids in retail jobs in both places.

The point is you are not helping your kids by paying all ths bills for their upper middle class lifestyle and then suddenly expecting them to understand to be prepared for work when they graduate from college. A kid who graduated college with no workplace experience of any kind, even if volunteer experience, is behind the curve.

[Anonymous]

Any interest in federal law enforcement? I’m not talking about ICE. There’s great job security and after 10 years, he can easily make $175k. It can be tough without prior job experience, but I think the CS degree would make him an appealing candidate.